I discovered your channel a few weeks ago and im glad to know someone on the platform has knowledge of dragon ball. I'd like to ask if i may? I don't get into scaling honestly but, I've heard people say that ssj4 gogeta is stronger than any character in super exclusive the destroyers and angels. The reasoning i got from people was because it was said, GT gogeta was beating up xeno gogeta who's supposed to be leagues higher than GT. Wasn't he amped by Fin though or no? Some say he wasn't and that gogeta(GT) was already that strong to compete with xeno gogeta. Edit: also someone told me beerus is connected to GT because GT goku in xenoverse 2 told beerus he hasn't seen him in a long time
@@Starlight별빛 Thanks a lot I appreciate it and no SS4 Gogeta is not stronger than the top strongest characters in DBS such as the GoDs, Angels, Grand Priest and Zeno. He is powerful but he isn't that strong to be above those characters and at best SS4 GT Gogeta is around Merged Zamasu levels or so from DBS. Fin is like Buu so when he absorbed GT Gogeta he gained his power on top of his like an addition. So that's why when they face SS4 Xeno Gogeta he has the edge in combat but that's only in the manga. In the arcade he doesn't fight Xeno Gogeta and instead just fights a team of SS4 Xeno Goku, SS4 Xeno Vegeta and SS4 Xeno Gohan. Well I'm Xenoverse the dialogue has interactions like that and that Goku that says this about Beerus is because of Battle of Gods. Since the dialogue between them is from Xenoverse 1 it's implying that GT Goku experienced Battle of Gods but that's because Bandai, Shueisha and Toei probably didn't put that much thought into it. It's only in Xenoverse tho as other games don't have GT Goku recognize Beerus or vice versa. You could also says that there is a Beerus in the GT timeline just was never shown since obviously he wasn't created at that time. So it would go SS4 Dark Gogeta →=SS4 Xeno Gogeta →SS4 GT Gogeta. But this was during the Dark King Mechikabura arc the Xeno counterparts become even more powerful in the arcs after this.
@@Starlight별빛 Here is an example in any Heroes story Beerus never recognized any GT characters. So that could just be a Xenoverse thing and only because at that time they wanted to have GT be after Battle of Gods timeline wise. One thing to keep in mind Dragon Ball has infinite amount of timelines so that Beerus may recognize GT Goku but other Beerus's won't if that makes sense.
@@GodslayerSeiya ah see I'm not into scaling but someone told me in one of justin den's community post(if you're familiar with his content) of who'd win between ssj4 goku from the SDA and power awakening/orange piccolo, that GT has fifth dimensional feats due to the dead zone( the dbz dead zone movie)so orange piccolo loses since super doesn't have 5D feats. They also said GT is supposedly Toei's series since it's supposed connected to the movie. Do you have a video or scan related to that because I don't know if its a misconception or not. I assumed cooler being there was either a mistake or Easter egg like how there was a star wars Easter egg in dragon ball.
@GodSlayer0 Fin was strong on his own Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta discuss how strong he was but he wasn't on SS4 GT Gogeta's level. Fin did power up absorbing SS4 Gogeta but it wasn't a massive boost he just uses the strongest power he has which is GT Gogeta and adds that to his own. It's enough to allow him to have an advantage over SS4 Xeno Gogeta. The point to this is that the Xeno counterparts were stronger than their Shadow Dragon Arc counterparts but it wasn't by a huge amount at that time.
@@GodslayerSeiya was there any evidence to suggest that during that time, the xeno counterparts had a small advantage in power over GT at that time? I was told that i'd have to prove that there was a gap between them in the first place and prove that ssj4 gogeta was amped by fin since supposedly no one stated gogeta(GT) was amped. Sorry I'm new to heroes honestly
Sad to see The Time Patrol and The Xeno characters leaving tho the last episode is kinda hinting at a reset or reboot button (infinite crisis style) with Aeos wish maybe i am just having a wishful thinking
@@ssflickgaming3384 The CG movie leaves out details I would say the arcade might give more better clear context or the manga will. But yeah it seems they will end it with something that may do something similar to that we will see. It is sad to see them go it's been a fun cool ride but hopefully Drivers lives up to it and can also give DB fans new original material and characters.
@@ssflickgaming3384 That's possible but I doubt it they likely will be different avatars and most likely the story won't be deep at first just like how Heroes was for the first couple years.
@@ssflickgaming3384 Hopefully we get more details about Divers in the final SDBH guidebook. I look forward to that and will make videos and uploads about all the important information in it.
@@GodslayerSeiya i atleast in worst case scenario hope it's Beat & Note's kids considering The Male Avatar awfully looks like Goku (if this turns out to be another descantant then I am gonna lose it like Goku can't stop being a Grandpa)
@@SRHFYRF0202 the 13th anniversary guide came out last year I have videos uploaded from it. You talking about the last SDBH guide which is called Hereos Memories and it comes out this month on August 29th.
@@SRHFYRF0202 The upcoming final SDBH anniversary guide called Heroes Memories will feature new interviews, behind the scenes information and the history of Hereos from DBH to SDBH and all the arcs. Also it will have the final Victory Mission manga chapter from Toyotaro himself. That comes out this month I will be getting it
@@MinhLe19303 For the CG movie yeah it definitely wasn't that good and the entire Demon Invader arc has been lacking and not as good as previous missions. But fans can put the blame on the producers they aren't the same the ones God Mission all the way up to mid Big Bang Mission aren't working at Bandai anymore. While Ultra God Mission was good but Meteor Mission has been at the bottom in terms of story and everything else. The manga has been good still and I'm sure the ending there will be satisfying.
@@GodslayerSeiya I didn't know there's a staff change in DBH. If they planned to end it, they should have make an arc about a final battle with Towa's faction and conclude any plot thread left, such as Cumber's backstory, etc.
@@MinhLe19303 Yeah there was for example Higuchi Wataru long time producer and can be said to be the father of Heroes and creator he isn't involved anymore. Neither is Suzuki who was involved in Big Bang Mission alot and Mr Kadota none of them were involved in Hereos anymore by the mid to end of Big Bang Mission. They should have ended the overall story with Ultra God Mission the two Goku's clashing was a good send off. Meteor Mission is not extremely bad but it's not that good below average at least the way the CG movie has done it. The manga version is definitely superior and more enjoyable.
@@GodslayerSeiya Was it that hard to end a story properly? It's not like the story is intricate and complex to care much about the writing flaws. I always find dialogues to be very stilted and rather artificial anyway, might as well just throw all out and end with a bang and left nothing unresolved.
@@MinhLe19303 well they weren't going to answer all questions or give every bit of unanswered questions an answer or anything like that. But it's not just the ending it's the overall story for Meteor Mission and Ozotto is stated to officially be the strongest demon they have ever faced and enemy yet it didn't feel as threatening as others. But overall I have faith the manga will finish it good and fans who enjoy the manga will be pleased. But the overall story of Hereos everything else they won't be able to add all that into the CG movie or dialogue of the arcade. I don't have an issue with that we have enough information to conclude on characters like Cumber and his backstory since we know it is likely that he comes from the era of the SSG similar to Shallot and Giblet.
This was, BY FAR, the worst saga of Super Dragon Ball Heroes. Not crazy moments, shitty villian and basically relies on "copy and paste" of other sagas or movies. Hell, even the Supreme Kai of Time Saga had their moments.
@@juanmanuelmorillomalia7414 it felt rushed after the first episode or so seems like they just wanted to get it through and over with because of DB Super Divers. They definitely drop the ball but the one good thing about the arc is the manga version was solid still.
I discovered your channel a few weeks ago and im glad to know someone on the platform has knowledge of dragon ball. I'd like to ask if i may? I don't get into scaling honestly but, I've heard people say that ssj4 gogeta is stronger than any character in super exclusive the destroyers and angels. The reasoning i got from people was because it was said, GT gogeta was beating up xeno gogeta who's supposed to be leagues higher than GT. Wasn't he amped by Fin though or no? Some say he wasn't and that gogeta(GT) was already that strong to compete with xeno gogeta.
Edit: also someone told me beerus is connected to GT because GT goku in xenoverse 2 told beerus he hasn't seen him in a long time
@@Starlight별빛 Thanks a lot I appreciate it and no SS4 Gogeta is not stronger than the top strongest characters in DBS such as the GoDs, Angels, Grand Priest and Zeno. He is powerful but he isn't that strong to be above those characters and at best SS4 GT Gogeta is around Merged Zamasu levels or so from DBS.
Fin is like Buu so when he absorbed GT Gogeta he gained his power on top of his like an addition. So that's why when they face SS4 Xeno Gogeta he has the edge in combat but that's only in the manga. In the arcade he doesn't fight Xeno Gogeta and instead just fights a team of SS4 Xeno Goku, SS4 Xeno Vegeta and SS4 Xeno Gohan.
Well I'm Xenoverse the dialogue has interactions like that and that Goku that says this about Beerus is because of Battle of Gods. Since the dialogue between them is from Xenoverse 1 it's implying that GT Goku experienced Battle of Gods but that's because Bandai, Shueisha and Toei probably didn't put that much thought into it. It's only in Xenoverse tho as other games don't have GT Goku recognize Beerus or vice versa. You could also says that there is a Beerus in the GT timeline just was never shown since obviously he wasn't created at that time.
So it would go SS4 Dark Gogeta →=SS4 Xeno Gogeta →SS4 GT Gogeta. But this was during the Dark King Mechikabura arc the Xeno counterparts become even more powerful in the arcs after this.
@@Starlight별빛 Here is an example in any Heroes story Beerus never recognized any GT characters. So that could just be a Xenoverse thing and only because at that time they wanted to have GT be after Battle of Gods timeline wise. One thing to keep in mind Dragon Ball has infinite amount of timelines so that Beerus may recognize GT Goku but other Beerus's won't if that makes sense.
@@GodslayerSeiya ah see I'm not into scaling but someone told me in one of justin den's community post(if you're familiar with his content) of who'd win between ssj4 goku from the SDA and power awakening/orange piccolo, that GT has fifth dimensional feats due to the dead zone( the dbz dead zone movie)so orange piccolo loses since super doesn't have 5D feats. They also said GT is supposedly Toei's series since it's supposed connected to the movie. Do you have a video or scan related to that because I don't know if its a misconception or not. I assumed cooler being there was either a mistake or Easter egg like how there was a star wars Easter egg in dragon ball.
@GodSlayer0 Fin was strong on his own Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta discuss how strong he was but he wasn't on SS4 GT Gogeta's level. Fin did power up absorbing SS4 Gogeta but it wasn't a massive boost he just uses the strongest power he has which is GT Gogeta and adds that to his own. It's enough to allow him to have an advantage over SS4 Xeno Gogeta.
The point to this is that the Xeno counterparts were stronger than their Shadow Dragon Arc counterparts but it wasn't by a huge amount at that time.
@@GodslayerSeiya was there any evidence to suggest that during that time, the xeno counterparts had a small advantage in power over GT at that time? I was told that i'd have to prove that there was a gap between them in the first place and prove that ssj4 gogeta was amped by fin since supposedly no one stated gogeta(GT) was amped. Sorry I'm new to heroes honestly
Sad to see The Time Patrol and The Xeno characters leaving tho the last episode is kinda hinting at a reset or reboot button (infinite crisis style) with Aeos wish maybe i am just having a wishful thinking
@@ssflickgaming3384 The CG movie leaves out details I would say the arcade might give more better clear context or the manga will. But yeah it seems they will end it with something that may do something similar to that we will see. It is sad to see them go it's been a fun cool ride but hopefully Drivers lives up to it and can also give DB fans new original material and characters.
@@GodslayerSeiya would explain alot of things tbh and The New Avatars could be a new reboot versions of Beat and Note or the other avatars
@@ssflickgaming3384 That's possible but I doubt it they likely will be different avatars and most likely the story won't be deep at first just like how Heroes was for the first couple years.
@@ssflickgaming3384 Hopefully we get more details about Divers in the final SDBH guidebook. I look forward to that and will make videos and uploads about all the important information in it.
@@GodslayerSeiya i atleast in worst case scenario hope it's Beat & Note's kids considering The Male Avatar awfully looks like Goku (if this turns out to be another descantant then I am gonna lose it like Goku can't stop being a Grandpa)
F SDBH waiting for super guide in november
@@SRHFYRF0202 Are you referring to the last SDBH anniversary guide?
@@GodslayerSeiya the New 13th Guide comes in november
@@SRHFYRF0202 the 13th anniversary guide came out last year I have videos uploaded from it. You talking about the last SDBH guide which is called Hereos Memories and it comes out this month on August 29th.
@@GodslayerSeiya a , so in the image i Saw its something New about meteor mission (i see on twitter)
@@SRHFYRF0202 The upcoming final SDBH anniversary guide called Heroes Memories will feature new interviews, behind the scenes information and the history of Hereos from DBH to SDBH and all the arcs. Also it will have the final Victory Mission manga chapter from Toyotaro himself.
That comes out this month I will be getting it
Honestly... Not a good and conclusive end to DBH.
@@MinhLe19303 For the CG movie yeah it definitely wasn't that good and the entire Demon Invader arc has been lacking and not as good as previous missions. But fans can put the blame on the producers they aren't the same the ones God Mission all the way up to mid Big Bang Mission aren't working at Bandai anymore. While Ultra God Mission was good but Meteor Mission has been at the bottom in terms of story and everything else.
The manga has been good still and I'm sure the ending there will be satisfying.
@@GodslayerSeiya I didn't know there's a staff change in DBH. If they planned to end it, they should have make an arc about a final battle with Towa's faction and conclude any plot thread left, such as Cumber's backstory, etc.
@@MinhLe19303 Yeah there was for example Higuchi Wataru long time producer and can be said to be the father of Heroes and creator he isn't involved anymore. Neither is Suzuki who was involved in Big Bang Mission alot and Mr Kadota none of them were involved in Hereos anymore by the mid to end of Big Bang Mission. They should have ended the overall story with Ultra God Mission the two Goku's clashing was a good send off.
Meteor Mission is not extremely bad but it's not that good below average at least the way the CG movie has done it. The manga version is definitely superior and more enjoyable.
@@GodslayerSeiya Was it that hard to end a story properly? It's not like the story is intricate and complex to care much about the writing flaws. I always find dialogues to be very stilted and rather artificial anyway, might as well just throw all out and end with a bang and left nothing unresolved.
@@MinhLe19303 well they weren't going to answer all questions or give every bit of unanswered questions an answer or anything like that. But it's not just the ending it's the overall story for Meteor Mission and Ozotto is stated to officially be the strongest demon they have ever faced and enemy yet it didn't feel as threatening as others. But overall I have faith the manga will finish it good and fans who enjoy the manga will be pleased.
But the overall story of Hereos everything else they won't be able to add all that into the CG movie or dialogue of the arcade. I don't have an issue with that we have enough information to conclude on characters like Cumber and his backstory since we know it is likely that he comes from the era of the SSG similar to Shallot and Giblet.
This was, BY FAR, the worst saga of Super Dragon Ball Heroes. Not crazy moments, shitty villian and basically relies on "copy and paste" of other sagas or movies.
Hell, even the Supreme Kai of Time Saga had their moments.
@@juanmanuelmorillomalia7414 it felt rushed after the first episode or so seems like they just wanted to get it through and over with because of DB Super Divers. They definitely drop the ball but the one good thing about the arc is the manga version was solid still.