I have this sudden faith in them that they can actually make it. According to the Ultimania it took them 3 years for Rebirth, which is absolutely insane and it was during Covid yet they delivered a massive game. I wish they start using Unreal for FF in general and stop these engines that, while cool, take them a generation to make a title.
But what will Creative Business Unit 2 do in between now and 3 years from now? There has to be something to fill that void. Not just more Square Enix content, but more Final Fantasy VII content with Square Enix content. Something that can be in Disc 3 early on, but could have more content added for years to come. Expansions don’t need to be such a long wait. It can literally be anything with expansions to tie all FFVII contents together to give us the big picture without spoiling what Part 3 may become.
Since Remake i've always had the feeling that we are witnessing the end of the FF7 Compilation with this huge project. And Rebirth pretty much confirmed that alongside Kitase's words on Part 3. Man... what a time to be an FF7 Fan... The most important game and story to me in my whole life is getting a huge conclusion. See you all in 2027 :D
Things that were not in FF7 originally. Hmmmmm. Advent Children, Geostigma, Genesis, the Weapons actually helping defend against Meteor, a really happy ending.
@@DutchDreadyou’d think that but then doc happens and it says people still have geostigma meaning the planet is still dying and there’s still a planetary threat that Genesis has to respond to
meh on that. I would prefer they erase advent children with part 3 and redo something in the story as Advent children at the time of its making was just a cash grab. And they still didnt fully kill sephiroth in it. plus Dierge was set after Advent children. So it wouldn't end the story. if they make Advent playable in part 3 then they will have to do the same with dierge of ceberus too to finish the story.
@@arglebargle5531 the fight scenes were all good sure. And the characters were always popular. But the enemies in it meh. i never thought Advent was anything but ok. They could do better than what it did for the story.
I think Kitase’s “thing” is Genisis. He wants to conclude that storyline. It makes sense with comments about bringing in other compilation characters and would line up with Nomura’s response, as trying to fit Genisis into the game in a way that fits and doesn’t break pacing would be very difficult
The best way to fit him in would be a Dirge of Cerberus remake. That, along with FF7 remake part 3 will tie up all loose ends that was left by the devs before the Remake trilogy. They could of course fit it in part 3 but it'd be difficult because he's only been in Crisis Core so far and he should've been injected into Rebirth so we can get like a heads up with him as is with the case of Glenn and the Wutai war Edit: I will say that I think FF7 remake part 3 should be the de-facto end of the compilation. It would be a good opportunity to put everything to rest. I feel like anything after that which is FF7 related will not bring SE much money anymore. Unless a DoC remake pulls off but I still think remake part 3 should finish everything
Just had a weird idea for how they might end the game in trying to make everyone happy. For the final fight, aerith and Zack fight sephiroth in one universe while cloud et al fight him in a separate one. Once the battle is done the universes separate. So while Aerith and Zack would be alive in their universe, Cloud and company would never see them again.
This was also my take from the very beginning. Having Aerith and Zack reunite somehow in another timeline would be a sweet and happy ending. Although i just feel they are fated to die one way or another. Perhaps they reunite one last time before the end and sacrifice themselves in order to defeat sephiroth. They should end up in the life stream together. Rebirth definitely made the impression that they will both be around in some form part 3. We never had them see each other again so giving the player closure in that way would be huge. I do think they have to die though sadly..., although knowing they were alive and together in another dimension would be nice aswel.
From reading these tweets and the way the Re project goes, I think they should really go all out on their ideas. The way I interpret this 'new thing' - the golden ending idea sounds tempting but it could also be something along the line of - keep the OG ending as is, but also give us a glimpse at another world with *some* characters alive and on their new journey (which connects to the possibility for future installments in the FFVII universe), this could be like a hidden ending/a side ending or a 'unique' part of the game similar to the Gold Saucer dates that the devs mentioned should be taken as. In any case, this is all very exciting, can't wait for more news on this projects. Really appreciate the devs for delivering us this behemoth of a project and I wholeheartedly trust them to deliver us P3.
Every one dies and exists in the life stream together like a big happy family at the life stream slip and slide. I am sad that Kitase's hand in game creation may end, From the first time I saw his name attached to my favourite video games he has never let me down with an amazing game - His creations have impacted my life for the better. I admire Kitase, but he bloke deserves a little rest xD
I hope this modern ATB combat sticks around for more games, the shift towards action was losing a lot of the strategy from older games, so this was a good way of preserving that. Maybe try a version of it with Parasite Eve. Also, a lot of the Final Fantasy games has shifted to focus on a single protagonist. I hope they do more games with an ensemble cast like the Remake trilogy has as well.
I hate the ATB garbage. Just go back to the old school turn based line combat or stick with live action. None of this hybrid inbetween crap. Remake and rebirth I only play on Easy just so I don't have to deal with that ATB crap. At the very least the enemies should have ATB bars too... Instead they get to have as many turns as they like while I have to run around in circles staring at a bar waiting to go up while they get to go 10 times. It's stupid and unfair. That Roche vs Cloud fight sucked because you can't do a synergy with anybody and instead have to run around in circles waiting for ATB.
They have most of the asset library completed, but I’m sure they’ll build a bunch of new monsters and of course bosses. Their biggest hurdle is going to be fleshing out the northern continent, wutai, and mideel islands, and then they’ll need to find a way to implement the airship and submarine. Also, my guess on the “secret thing that will make everyone happy” is that we’ll get to actually pilot the rocket into space.
My biggest question is that will they really make part 3 as an end point of the entire complication and how will they make Ac+Dirge which are stories happening supposedly after the events which Part 3 would have ended. Also I am more so looking forward to see square make the concept of "Fusion sword" fully playable with all it's intended gimmicks of being pieced together and Break apart to switch up Cloud's fighting style from dual blade, short sword, long sword and a chunked up buster sword. Like I don't want a cop out version of it that will basically only have the fusion sword always in a complete form and basically just play like a reskinned Buster sword. I am weirdly obsessed with these idea than the possibility of having to play Space Rocket simulation in FF VII
i hope this "thing" is a playable Advent Children. Take the concepts and story beats of a 2 hour movie and turn it into a 5 - 10 hour experience to really flesh it out. One of my biggest hopiums for this project is that they do a Advent Children DLC like thing for part 3 so im going to believe this is what he was referring to lol
One thing I would like is for them to have a playable Cloud with a Fusion Sword earlier (best scenario is have Cloud used that for the majority of part 3) Especially if we have a playable Zack with the buster sword in part 3 as well. Just them making the Fusion sword alone be fully playable and make the concept of Cloud being able to fight and switch fighting stances and style depending on which part of the Fusion sword he will use is already interesting in a gameplay perspective. Square making the Fusion sword playable only for a short epilogue will only make people probably want another full game with Cloud using a fusion sword.
Kitase already said that the end of the trilogy directly links-up with the Advent Children movie, so I they're obviously not going to recreate it in Part 3.
To be fair(ish), 7Remake restarted development after they scrapped the work of CyberConnect2 and the in-house development for 7Remake was more like 3-4 years. Either way it still did take a long ass time for the game to come out but the in-house development time is impressive imo.
It could be that Aerith and Zack get to live on and be together in another world but the worlds will be forever disconnected from the primary beagle stamp world and although they will live happily ever after, they will have to say goodbye to Cloud and everyone forever. So in a sense, like they are dead, they can never see everyone again, but will have comfort in their hearts knowing they are out there alive and happy. That could be the happy ending thing hinted at. Just an idea.
I would love if they'd remake Dirge with less wonky controls, I could never play it because I couldn't get used to the controls and the camera but I still want to experience the story!
@@holy9781nah, people has an easy target to vent their rage and will abandon and ignore logic and just use the guy as the target. Your comment is a prime example of that.
I’m hoping the “Important thing to include” is the original story or timeline with all the new assets. I’d even be willing to pay a hefty price for that as DLC or whatever.
My guess for the mystery thing to make everyone happy: Sephiroth redemption arc. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but anyone who has been in the community long enough knows how many ride or die fans he had garnered. All the lore that has been built up that he's just another tragic victim of Hojo's experiments rather than a truly evil villain - could they be leaning for an angle where Aerith (and maybe Cloud too?) forgive him for his misdeeds? No idea, just a thought!
I think about this often. Weirdly, not from a storytelling angle but a gameplay one. They bothered to program an entire moveset, animations, etc. for playable Sephiroth. I feel like you can't do that and just NOT use it again.
I am one of those fans who wants Sephiroth to have a happy ending. Mainly because I want a different ending from the OG game. Also, I do love the character Hojo. But I always thought Hojo and Jenova were the true villains. I don't care sephiroth gets the Redemption Ark. I think it would be a bad idea. But it would be nice if they went EVA Rebuild series type ending. Jenova doesn't exist, and Sephiroth is just a normal guy.
I don't think Kitase's "thing to deliver" is just a happy ending. Nomura could already do that because it's just a story and scenario decision. On that note, they said that the story is basically done, so I don't think this is up in the air. The thing that's hard for Nomura to deliver is probably something related to linking up Advent Children with the end of the story in a technical way. Advent Children already was a happy ending that provided closure, so it makes sense for Kitase to want to go in that direction. From there, I don't think that they are going to undermine the themes of the original, but all this talk of trying new things does make it easy to get nervous.
When it comes to Advent Children, everyone can't be truly happy at the end of part 3. We have to reach a point where Cloud still feels the guilt and regret for Zack and Aerith.
The next FF7 would be the original vision of FF7 i.e.: Xenogears as a Final Fantasy game. With the original writers, Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya Saga, of course. Which would mean a collaboration with MonolithSoft/Nintendo
I'd love a happy ending to FF7 if this is truly a sequel! This wouldn't destroy the original story at all but build on it with a final beautfiful conclusion. 30 Years of pain coming to a a happy end. This sounds kinda great to me. But the way to the happy ending gotta be really dark. Even darker than in the original.
So, I'll be honest, I have absolutely no idea what the "something" could actually be. (Maybe a FFVII Remake version of Advent Children to serve as an epilogue chapter of sorts? I really don't know.) What I will say though is that I don't think it's the Golden Ending where Zack and Aerith live, join up with the party, and everybody starts singing songs around the bonfire at Cosmo Canyon while the credits roll. The reason I don't think this is, simply because Nomura seems totally fine with it. Up until now, Normura has been pretty careful to keep the Remake Trilogy grounded, as you said, making sure that whatever else is added, it stays true to the themes and overall message of OG FFVII. Nomura's statement on Kitase's idea doesn't imply any real conflict between the two on the issue. He's just considering how to make the idea work well within the game. So in other words, he seems to be totally okay with the idea in itself, and thinks it could be great if handled correctly. What he's concerning himself with is merely the execution of that idea. If the idea was something that he felt compromised the themes and message of FFVII, I believe Nomura would be trying to talk Kitase out of it, rather than thinking on how best to implement it.
Golden Endings are basically always unsatisfying. The idea that they don't take anything away from the original is false, because A) the entire point of them is that they're better by comparison, and B) the point of a hard ending is that the audience has to deal with the emotional weight of the story ending in a challenging manner, and if the hard story becomes optional we really don't have to do that--and cant do that, even if we want to. It's impossible to pretend that the ending is emotionally challenging when there's a convenient version of the story right beside it.
The new changes happening at SE, younger staff taking new positions of greater influence who are way more in touch with players and this game, Rebirth, being the best Final Fantasy I've played in 20 years gives me hope that the dark days are coming to a close. Square Enix might actually redeem itself.
In lieu of a remake/remaster of DoC I wonder if on aspect of the happy ending would involve closure on the triangle between Sephiroth, Vincent and Lucretia. Also, I have to bring it up because of Nero and Weiss: Genesis. I’m f****d if I know 😅
The way they talk about rhis not being part of the original game and them not knowing how to go about it really makes me think we could get a epilogue which you play through advent children there is so many advent children references in these couple games and they even re released the movie in japan and america if im right i feel this will be a way to make it come full circle
I would like the Advent Children to not just be an epilogue, the story of AC yes I can see that working as an epilogue thing. But Fusion Sword Cloud!. If they are making that version of Cloud playable, I don't want it to be a cop out limited time playable thing. Like I would like to see square do a full fledge playable version of that where Cloud can actually fully use his fusion swords and can swap fighting stances with using the different sword piece of the Fusion sword and not just only have em use the fully combined fusion sword which is basically just a chunkier Buster sword .
@zacatkinson3926 yes but did you see what happened to Aerith the developers already said the story will stay true to its core just the way it happens will play out differently meaning this game will lead into advent children 100% whether its playable or not is the question
@Snzn18 i totally agree it will be a big underraking i think they might just add new abilities to the fusion sword which you will get to use in a chapter selection similar to how you can use rhe clothing options after you beat the game after you finish the game a lot of the game is already done and the world built they just need to voice act and probably touch up a lot of things and implement it all so they would definitely have enough time to make an advent children section but i wouldnt expect it to last too long maybe 5 to 10 hours of gameplay since im sure they will add side content to this 2 years after the ending midgar but yea just the way this is worded really makes me think AC for a epilogue
I would loveeeeeee if they would somehow explore the true backstory of Jenova when she was alive. Maybe through the Gi it could be shown. Maybe flesh her out a bit more and give a reason besides she destroys planets or something. Would love a flash back to her in her prime!
Remember, the back end work and all of the core systens for Rebirth were already made during Remake. Then Rebirth is just making them better and adding more. Part 3 has had practically all of the work it needs to begin full scale production done before it even started.
If Remake to part 3 does take 13 to 14 years to complete I believe it will be worth it in the end. I was one of those FFVII OG purists and hated that it would be in multiple parts but after playing Remake and now seeing what they did with Rebirth I am having a blast with the games and can't wait for part 3
no they're talking about the legendary sex scene as the thing that will make everyone happy if done right. jokes aside, i think kitase's thing may be inclusion of genesis and weiss giving a satisfying ending to all of that. and nomura's thing may be that since after all this there's no way advent children is happening as is, what should they do, as everyone would love that game to be playable, but how to deliever that. it cant be an epilogue, its long, it should be a dlc
Thank you once again for covering this piece of information, NSP! I really found it interesting and wholesome!❤ I am glad that CBU 1 is finally able to find what works best for them, in order to work efficiently on their projects. It would be great to have the part 3 of the trilogy to release in 3 years or less!🤩 I can't wait to discover the "special" thing Kitase has in mind. I would love to also have the Rebirth Ultimania book translated in English too!🤩❤ Thanks again NSP, that waa a great video!😊
About the scene that Kitase-san talked about. Keep in mind that the devs said the exact same thing about the Gongaga scene. A scene that wasn't in the original game and hope that people will like it. And I freaking loved that whole scene. So if they can top that. I think the new scene will be fantastic.
I think the good way to do this would be give us a bad ending which you would get like through the first playthrough and when you do hard mode you get the golden ending
I think Kitase is saying about "something" is the love scene between Cloud and Tifa under the Highwind. It was not in the original but was implicitly implied and it will make Cloud and Tifa happy. And ofcourse the thirsty fans such as myself. 😂😂😂
I agree with the sentiment that once they complete the 3rd game, they close the book on VII. I loved that about I - IX(mostly) being self contained titles and stories. I understand it’s a lucrative and occasionally easy way to make money with sequels, but I’d rather they move on to new ideas.
I’d be ok with the occasional spin off with different characters set in the world if it’s done right. I just don’t want to see them keep bringing Sephiroth back AC style.
@@Snzn_7 One off hand sequel is pretty tiny compared to two sequels, three prequels, and an entire remake trilogy that aims to connect everything together.
@@Kingdom850 my point is the main comment " mentions (I -IX) as mostly stand alones. And if just a single sequel is nothing burger and still will take the cut for that grouping then why not Include XII, XV(since it basically has story extensions like III does in the form of animated media and novels, most FF titles do have tie in novels), and why not Include "XVI" in the list, or even X since it basically has "1 sequel". That is the point that I am Making here, and not about making these titles as equally as big as a scale like the FFVII compilation is. Like you are way off base your reply my dude.
I love all the changes and the theory crafting. I love a new story with old characters I care for. I’m here for all of it. I do hope they also make a 1:1 remake of the OG after the third installment is here, (with the updated mechanics.) They already have the character models, the world is built, so that would be a relatively cheap endeavour we’d all throw our money at
The big surprise for part 3 could be Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo show up as a phase of the final battle and/or Genesis shows up at some point near the end of the game.
Hear me out.... If good and fast development is all about keeping the team together and gaining exp.... then let this dev team do FFXVII after this remake trilogy is done.
I feel most of the dev team will retire after the FF7 Trilogy. Them making another full-scale game right after 13 years of constant work. I'd feel bad for them, ngl 😅
When I think of things that would make the fandom happy the 2 things that come to mind are: 1. Saving Sephiroth, either by a redemption arc or by a time travel arc where we prevent him from going crazy, and possibly kill Hojo. 2. Saving Aerith and Zack. I suppose there’s ways they could do those with the dimensional convergence they seem to be hinting towards. They’ve already set up that there are worlds where Aerith and Zack didn’t die, perhaps there’s one where Sephiroth never went insane. I’m thinking they made a good younger version of Sephiroth in Ever Crisis for a reason. Yes it’s to explore his backstory more, but they could have him return as a playable character, either through time travel shenanigans or by explaining that he’s the good parts of Sephiroth that got eroded away when he was in the lifestream. I feel like they’re going to bring together storylines from all the Compilation stories. They already mentioned that the original ending was kind of a bad ending, Meteor is stopped but the planet deems humanity too much of a threat and allows it to be wiped out. Maybe they could go the multiple endings route.
I want option 1. Sephiroth deserved better. Hojo and Jenova were the true villains. I do love character Hojo. I would also love option part 2 as well. But I think all roads lead to Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. I just want a different ending of OG. I mean, if it's going to take 11 years with a 210 dollar price tag. I just want something different I would love multiple endings. One ending where Sephiroth wins and other one where Cloud wins. I either want a super happy ending or are the most depressing ending ever. Either everyone gets saved, or everyone dies. I know that's a bit extreme for a ending. I hope part 3 really sticks the landing. That's what I'm worried about Right now I have mixed feelings of FF7 Trilogy after Rebirth ending.
I have no idea about the new element. I can't wait to find out. With conclusions for the characters, I wonder if they are trying to show that whatever happens after this story that we don't see, Cloud's character arc will be complete. In other words, were the events of Advent Children and Dirge or something similar to follow this story, the Cloud in that chapter of his life wouldn't regress back to the depressed state that he is in during the game.
I think that is the hard thing for me. We still discuss Final Fantasy VII.....VI, IV, and even the 1st title. We speak about their greatness to this day almost and over 30 years later. I do not (And I loved the game) see XVI getting the discussion 30 years from now, when I am in my 70s. The Remake series has the potential.....but it is a re-telling of an old game. I am currently playing through the Pixel Remasters now. (The only titles to come anywhere close to their originals. I am being reminded of how great the stories of IV and VI were. I know VI is. No other title will topple it from my top spot. But I had kinda forgotten IV's amazing story and game. V being just as fun and funny as it was. The breakthrough of things in III, the attempt in II to make a system of level gaining similar to the D&D formula the games were loosely based on. And the beginning one. Took me almost a full month to get it beat back in 1991. I can work it now in 8 or so hours. Or I could before the Pixel Remaster.....they fixed the overlapping enemy glitch at the end of the peninsula north o where ya get the ship. Took ten hours instead. But I was 13 - 19 between I, IV, VI, and VII coming out. Perhaps these new titles are just beyond amazing with that same feeling for folks in that age range now. Hopefully they are. I am just glad I was here from the beginning. The original released in Japan when I was 9. I am now about to turn 46.
I actually think a golden ending would be bad for game. X-2 for example underminded X's ending. Fan service doesn't always work. X's OG ending, 16s ending, 7s, all hit hard because winning had a cost. At most, maybe a "what if" ending like ignis dlc did for 15, one that represents what could have been, but not what is. Cannon stays cannon. In fact, to this day one of my favorite final fantasies will always be 6. Heck whole second half of game is bitter sweet and even when you beat it, you're still left with "but did we really win though?". the world is still in ruin and magic gone and an entire race extinct and no clear one way or another answer on whether or not this ruined world truly will make it. That kind of dark ending is peak final fantasy.
I personally don't mind 'golden endings', but only if you have to seriously jump through some hoops to get it. Take Growlanser 4's remake, which has 3 routes with the modified route being the 'golden ending'. Each route and ending is decided by your actions. Basically, no 'golden endings' by default is what I want. That also means I'd like to see any one ending be considered 'canon'. I'm a fan of the multiverse concept tho, and MK1 handled it really well for its 3rd reboot that officially made it a thing.
I'm calling it now that part 3 is going to be called Resurrection. I'm actually very surprised that not a single person has mentioned this title so far. I think it's going to be called Resurrection for three main reasons: 1) tetsuya nomura when he was thinking about the title for part 2, he mentions that he wanted to come up with a title that was very similar and very reminiscent of the remake title because it conveys a very similar idea of recreating something. There is no reason to think that the RE title for part 3 will diverge from that same concept of coming up with another name that conveys that same theme of recreating something, so in that sense resurrection which means to bring something back to life, is very fitting. So that by the very end of the project they can say that they have successfully remade, rebirthed, and resurrected the final fantasy 7 game. 2) so I think that the title for part 3 is actually hidden inside the game itself, just like the title for rebirth was hidden within the title of the one-winged angel title in part 1 soundtrack. There is a part of the temple of the ancients that is called Hall of Resurrection, and as far as I know, The only other RE word in the entirety of rebirth is reborn for the sephiroth reborn fight, and they definitely are not going to use reborn after having used rebirth. 3) finally I feel like it would be a fantastic title because the very name Resurrection can hold a dual meaning for part 3, wear aside from achieving what nomura wants with remake rebirth and resurrection all having the same kind of theme of recreating something, it also fulfill the role of making people think of Aerith when they hear the title. We all know that's where enix loves to mess around with their audience, so what better way to make people think that she can get resurrected then through the title of the game itself, but in reality, resurrection could just be applied to another form of sephiroth just like he had his sephiroth reborn form in rebirth. Or Resurrection could apply to something else in the game, but the title will serve a dual purpose nonetheless by keeping people talking about whether Resurrection applies to Aerith. 4) I actually have a fourth reason that I just thought of, but mind you that it's a little out there so excuse me if it sounds too far-fetched. So I feel like the title resurrection is a fitting conclusive name to the development of these three titles. Resurrection almost feels like the natural last step in the progressive titling that nomura has been doing. What I mean by progressive titling is that it almost feels like the specific order of Remake, Rebirth, and resurrection would have been chosen for a reason. Remake would be first because to make something, like a table or a chair, is a beginner's level way of creating something: ie creating something lifeless and inanimate. Rebirth something would be second because to give birth to something is a higher form of creation, like giving birth to a baby. Something that has a life, a soul. Resurrection would be the final level of creation because the act of being able to give life to something that is dead is currently technologically and scientifically impossible, but they aspire to be able to achieve that one day.
If the story is already complete it can't be what kitase suggests with a happy ending because the story is set in stone it feels like it's more in line with some good fanservice potential they want to implement like with rebirth the first ff7 kiss scene, Zack Cloud teamup in the ending etc.
An ending to please every character happy? I don't know why, but that scares me. MAYBE in another timeline where that is, but in the current timeline, it isn't necessary. I know most of us want an ending where everyone is happy with their love ones and the world was safe, but sometimes, you just can't get everything you want. But that was one of the best things about FFVII story and characters in the original. They had good lives and their story arcs were so amazing, we do wish things could have been better for them. Characters in storytelling need sad back stories so we can sympathies with them. They can't be perfect without it. Giving them this ending where "everyone is happy," just feels like fan service. I won't spoil the ending to Rebirth if you haven't finished it, but I didn't like how they handled it. It's still faithful to the original (to a point), but HOW the way they did it, was TOO....ew...Disney-ish? I have a feeling that's what they meant and how they want the ending to be for Part 3 when they said everyone gets an happy ending. If I didn't like how they ended Part 2, sadly, I think I'm going to be even more pissed with Part 3's ending. BUT HEY! Hopefully I'm wrong.
So fucking true, ff7 has always been about tragedy and loss and overcoming them so it would make zero sense to keep everyone alive and happy, the people who want that ending can go play kingdom hearts
If it does take three years to make part 3 then hopefully that means counting this year and the next two. I mean it's already been in development since 2022 and I hope we get part 3 either in 2026 or sooner. Also I definitely would like to see a happy ending happen with Aerith coming back somehow and Zack finally reuniting with her as you said yourself. Also Cloud as his true self and no longer being plagued hallucinations or doubt about who he truly is and possibly Biggs Wedge and Jessie coming back too.
I personally would LOVE a "golden" ending and don't see what you mean about it taking away from the story of FF7 because like... the original game is still there, with its story intact. Remake and Rebirth are thus far riding the line between proper sequels or just wild adaptions of the OG game HARD, and the final game will allow us to see where it ultimately falls. PERSONALLY, considering how much of the story has already changed (Sephiroth being WAY more present, the Whispers, Cloud may or may not have saved Aerith in another timeline, etc.) I think it would SUCK for the story to reach the exact same conclusion we already had originally. If they were going to have the exact same ending, the changes and building up peoples' hopes and expectations of something DIFFERENT would just be cruel. I would have preferred all the main plot beats not changing AT ALL and just everything getting expanded a bit in that scenario. But since these changes already exist and ARE changing how people interpret the game and what they might want from the ending I say embrace them! The original game will always exist with its ending for those that prefer it - you can just treat the Remake trilogy as a bad sequel and ignore it (like fans collectively do for sequels they don't like in any media ALL THE TIME). I want to see a new, happier ending.
@mohammadalhusaini810 Well from the looks of rhings Jessie and Wedge died Biggs in the other Zack timeline might also die again since there is like 3 zack timelines now and Aerith is basically dead too so seems to follow how it is in the original just differently but they still die the same way
@@mohammadalhusaini810 I straight up said that story and ending STILL EXISTS with the original game. This story is a separate thing that has ALREADY changed things. And personally I see no point in making those changes but having the exact same ending, when the changes made would make said ending WORSE than the original. Like there's a lot of emphasis this time around on trying to DEFY destiny and change things for the better compared to what the Planet's intended fate (OG 7's story) is. Do you seriously want a story where the characters are actively fighting fate and then they LOSE and everything turns out just like the original game, except even more depressing with the added layer of "well you can't fight fate I guess"???
@@AlyssaJ14 i would rather have a “depressing” ending than an ending that keeps every single main character alive except for the villain thats just too childish bro cmon ff7 has always been about loss and suffering and learning how to live through guilt, why would you deviate from that.
I really hope they open up player choice, right at the end. Give players genuine options, such as a Tifa/Cloud, Aerith/Cloud, all gang together, no difference vs OG etc. If programmed in right at the end, it wouldn't take up too much dev time, but would generate the capacity for so much happiness. Not to mention, end these stupid shipping wars.
They could do the AC arc as an epilogue like how the Red Dead games do the Jack Marston and John Marston arc . That way it can split between the original ending and epilogue. The story would flow better I think.
Would be nice if what Kitase is talking about is a more traditional remake. I love the FF7R project, but as an OG fan, I’d love to see Square’s take on that, even if we do have amazing mods out there on PC that do still do it justice
He said he wanted to keep the same pace and that they spent 1 year on the DLC so I would expect the last game to come out in 2028 IF they are able to accomplish that goal. 1year for DLC (seems pretty obvious they'll be doing Cid or Vincent DLC or both) plus 3 years to make the new game gets us to 2028, not 2027. I would set your expectations to 2028 at the soonest and if they make it by 2027 then you'll have something to be excited about rather than expect 2027 and have to be disappointed when it doesn't come out then.
Well, if that thing is the idea they had while they were developing the original of killing off everyone who's not in your party when you return to Midgar, that's gonna be something!
PT3 will be out in no time. Was thinking about how FF8/9 remake could probably be a two part game each. I think one pt each would trim way to much unless they had a solid FF13/2 style of progression. Speaking of, we need lightning trilogy on 13.
There is always people who wanted Aerith Dead, just for being dead. For that you have the original… and they have given the dead Aerith for the cry harder crowd. If she is dead or not, it is already decided in the story itself. I think this is more related to mechanics.
The 3rd remake needs to not just bring back Moogle form of Cloud Strife but they need to make his Moogle form playable. We also need cute animal mascot costumes and cloud needs to be turned into a cute chocobo similar to the chocobos dungeon design but if that cute chocobo had clouds hairdoo and sword
They are just going to make two worlds parallel to one another so Zack can be with aerith and advent children makes sense. Worlds that can reunite once in a while like Zack said worlds can come together again. This way they could have synergy skills for when worlds reunite.
Submarine and Highwind need to become summons! Cid Highwinding is two much. Just make them chadley based summoning materia or make them summons specific to the Ultima and Emerald weapon bosses.
Everyone is forgetting that after part 3 kitase will be focusing on kingdom hearts 4 and ff7 can definitely live on in that universe as they have shown
Playing through Rebirth makes me sad that we will likely never get the same treatment for any other FF game. Would love this to happen for 6 or 8. If they did it with 8 they could easily make the same kind of story changes and open things up for people who may have passed it up originally. I feel like the summon- and limit-heavy combat would make for a nice spectacle in modern graphics.
Oh they will probably never do this again for a Final Fantasy game. I mean FF7 is there golden child where they have no problem milking to death. I can understand FF6 not being a money maker because it's not as big as FF7. It's sad how most FF games don't even get a fraction compared to attention FF7. It would take 20 years to make FF6 in the same way as FF7. They will probably do it in a 2D format like Octocapath Travelers if I spelled that right. It should be interesting what they do with FF9 if it is getting remade. Probably won't have a big budget as FF7 or advanced graphics as well.
I absolutely hate the idea of Aerith and Zack being alive at the end, and I hope Kitase will throw that idea away and never look back Even what they are seemingly trying to in Rebirth, which is keeping them dead in the new timeline, but having them still somewhat alive in an other timeline, is pretty much the maximum I can take about this
I’m hoping they somehow undo the KH infection the story was inflicted with in the latter half of Rebirth. The age of things being overly convoluted for the sake of it is over. That being said, if it follows the path it was on, then Cloud is killing Zack 100%
The only thing I want or need to see to make me happy is Tifa and Cloud finally getting their happy end. The perfect ending being them sitting down with Marlene and Denzel on a blanket in a field of flowers with an obviously pregnant Tifa. The only thing that could ruin basically any ending for me is the overly "positive" ending of Aerith and Zack being alive. If one lives then screw it, do them both. But I don't see any version of that that I don't hate. Just end it with Tifa and Cloud being thankful for them and them being proud and happy for them from the lifestream. Honestly. Give me the pregnant Tifa scene and follow that up with the AC ending of Aerith and Zack walking into the light and I can finally close this chapter of my life with a smile.
I don't think this "thing" Kitase mentions is gonna be an AC DLC. He said it's something that wasn't in the og, but could make everyone happy if delivered properly. I don't think they already had plans for AC when they were developing FF7, so it does sound more as the "happy ending" NSP is mentioning.
I really REALLY hope they won't have a multiverse-ending where everyone gets to live on happily, just to please every fandom. Part of good storytelling in FF7 is the grief, loss, letting go of guilt, living on despite regrets. They are a part of life most humans have to tackle at some point, and loss and fleetingness is what gives meaning to what's left behind. Stories give us this perspective before loss happens, and makes us appreciate what we have that much more. Take that away at the ending, and the story just becomes hollow fluff.
Please tell me there is mention of a submarine section and golden saucer game!!!!!! I think they are gonna make part 3 as sorta a alternate ending situation. in one universe you fight for, things end up like the original and maybe even a few other endings. that would be amazing but only if they do it right.
I haven't played none of the remakes yet, but are they not doing dirge and advent with it? I got crisis core but it continued after the main game with dirge and advent not to mention the cell phone games
Play part 3 in two ways, the Aerith and Zach live in the prime timeline ending and the they live in the dying timeline and decide to enjoy the little time they have left together and it’s kinda sad. Both endings are canon, you get to choose which one is canon to you lol
Nomura doesnt get the credit he needs :D he definetly one of the big ones too even if people have their gripes with convoluted storys with multiple layers but the man delivers !
2027 is also the 30th anniversary of the OG FF7. If it comes out on January 31 2027, it will be to the exact date of the Japanese release of the OG.
I have this sudden faith in them that they can actually make it. According to the Ultimania it took them 3 years for Rebirth, which is absolutely insane and it was during Covid yet they delivered a massive game. I wish they start using Unreal for FF in general and stop these engines that, while cool, take them a generation to make a title.
7. 7. 2027 would be better
Sadly... Japan has fed up with this bullshit and abandon them for good.
@@austinjt4264Westerners have better gaming taste than Japanese imo
@@lllool8404the people who buy call of duty and madden every year? youre joking, right?
Three years to develop Rebirth is CRAZY!
This might be a record for a game of this scale.
Wait until you hear about Final Fantasy X…
@VexylObby FFX was a great story and great game in general, but it was nowhere near the size and scale of Rebirth. No open world being a big reason.
But what will Creative Business Unit 2 do in between now and 3 years from now? There has to be something to fill that void. Not just more Square Enix content, but more Final Fantasy VII content with Square Enix content.
Something that can be in Disc 3 early on, but could have more content added for years to come. Expansions don’t need to be such a long wait. It can literally be anything with expansions to tie all FFVII contents together to give us the big picture without spoiling what Part 3 may become.
Not surprising because they had all the assets from the Remake.
Part 3 will probably take less time 😂 let's hope
Since Remake i've always had the feeling that we are witnessing the end of the FF7 Compilation with this huge project. And Rebirth pretty much confirmed that alongside Kitase's words on Part 3. Man... what a time to be an FF7 Fan... The most important game and story to me in my whole life is getting a huge conclusion. See you all in 2027 :D
Things that were not in FF7 originally. Hmmmmm. Advent Children, Geostigma, Genesis, the Weapons actually helping defend against Meteor, a really happy ending.
Advent childrens ending was happy.
@@DutchDreadyou’d think that but then doc happens and it says people still have geostigma meaning the planet is still dying and there’s still a planetary threat that Genesis has to respond to
Kitase’s thing is playable Advent Children remake chapter(s). First thing I thought and I saw Max Dood theorize on it too.
I think that AC DLC would end the compilation on a nice note
meh on that. I would prefer they erase advent children with part 3 and redo something in the story as Advent children at the time of its making was just a cash grab. And they still didnt fully kill sephiroth in it. plus Dierge was set after Advent children. So it wouldn't end the story. if they make Advent playable in part 3 then they will have to do the same with dierge of ceberus too to finish the story.
@@zeromagnum2811 I don't think you can call a film made in 2005 that has CG fight scenes that still hold up today a simple cash grab.
@@zeromagnum2811 AC Sephiroth is the one who is in Remake and Rebirth. He pretty much found his loophole.
@@arglebargle5531 the fight scenes were all good sure. And the characters were always popular. But the enemies in it meh. i never thought Advent was anything but ok. They could do better than what it did for the story.
I think Kitase’s “thing” is Genisis. He wants to conclude that storyline. It makes sense with comments about bringing in other compilation characters and would line up with Nomura’s response, as trying to fit Genisis into the game in a way that fits and doesn’t break pacing would be very difficult
I feel like it'll be advent children stuff like a fight or a epilouge or something
I really hope not…..that character was awfully written
He wants a happy ending for all. It'll be AC centric or like
God please no. I hope you're wrong
The best way to fit him in would be a Dirge of Cerberus remake. That, along with FF7 remake part 3 will tie up all loose ends that was left by the devs before the Remake trilogy. They could of course fit it in part 3 but it'd be difficult because he's only been in Crisis Core so far and he should've been injected into Rebirth so we can get like a heads up with him as is with the case of Glenn and the Wutai war
Edit: I will say that I think FF7 remake part 3 should be the de-facto end of the compilation. It would be a good opportunity to put everything to rest. I feel like anything after that which is FF7 related will not bring SE much money anymore. Unless a DoC remake pulls off but I still think remake part 3 should finish everything
Just had a weird idea for how they might end the game in trying to make everyone happy. For the final fight, aerith and Zack fight sephiroth in one universe while cloud et al fight him in a separate one. Once the battle is done the universes separate. So while Aerith and Zack would be alive in their universe, Cloud and company would never see them again.
That’s how I think it’s gonna go. Having everyone alive again in one universe is sounds way too happy
This was also my take from the very beginning. Having Aerith and Zack reunite somehow in another timeline would be a sweet and happy ending. Although i just feel they are fated to die one way or another. Perhaps they reunite one last time before the end and sacrifice themselves in order to defeat sephiroth. They should end up in the life stream together. Rebirth definitely made the impression that they will both be around in some form part 3. We never had them see each other again so giving the player closure in that way would be huge. I do think they have to die though sadly..., although knowing they were alive and together in another dimension would be nice aswel.
From reading these tweets and the way the Re project goes, I think they should really go all out on their ideas.
The way I interpret this 'new thing' - the golden ending idea sounds tempting but it could also be something along the line of - keep the OG ending as is, but also give us a glimpse at another world with *some* characters alive and on their new journey (which connects to the possibility for future installments in the FFVII universe), this could be like a hidden ending/a side ending or a 'unique' part of the game similar to the Gold Saucer dates that the devs mentioned should be taken as.
In any case, this is all very exciting, can't wait for more news on this projects.
Really appreciate the devs for delivering us this behemoth of a project and I wholeheartedly trust them to deliver us P3.
The best ending to this trilogy would be a polygon cloud waking up from a dream
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He already a polygon
that's every school teacher's mark as a failure of a story
Every one dies and exists in the life stream together like a big happy family at the life stream slip and slide.
I am sad that Kitase's hand in game creation may end, From the first time I saw his name attached to my favourite video games he has never let me down with an amazing game - His creations have impacted my life for the better.
I admire Kitase, but he bloke deserves a little rest xD
I hope this modern ATB combat sticks around for more games, the shift towards action was losing a lot of the strategy from older games, so this was a good way of preserving that. Maybe try a version of it with Parasite Eve.
Also, a lot of the Final Fantasy games has shifted to focus on a single protagonist. I hope they do more games with an ensemble cast like the Remake trilogy has as well.
I hate the ATB garbage. Just go back to the old school turn based line combat or stick with live action. None of this hybrid inbetween crap.
Remake and rebirth I only play on Easy just so I don't have to deal with that ATB crap.
At the very least the enemies should have ATB bars too... Instead they get to have as many turns as they like while I have to run around in circles staring at a bar waiting to go up while they get to go 10 times. It's stupid and unfair.
That Roche vs Cloud fight sucked because you can't do a synergy with anybody and instead have to run around in circles waiting for ATB.
They have most of the asset library completed, but I’m sure they’ll build a bunch of new monsters and of course bosses. Their biggest hurdle is going to be fleshing out the northern continent, wutai, and mideel islands, and then they’ll need to find a way to implement the airship and submarine.
Also, my guess on the “secret thing that will make everyone happy” is that we’ll get to actually pilot the rocket into space.
My biggest question is that will they really make part 3 as an end point of the entire complication and how will they make Ac+Dirge which are stories happening supposedly after the events which Part 3 would have ended.
Also I am more so looking forward to see square make the concept of "Fusion sword" fully playable with all it's intended gimmicks of being pieced together and Break apart to switch up Cloud's fighting style from dual blade, short sword, long sword and a chunked up buster sword.
Like I don't want a cop out version of it that will basically only have the fusion sword always in a complete form and basically just play like a reskinned Buster sword. I am weirdly obsessed with these idea than the possibility of having to play Space Rocket simulation in FF VII
i hope this "thing" is a playable Advent Children. Take the concepts and story beats of a 2 hour movie and turn it into a 5 - 10 hour experience to really flesh it out. One of my biggest hopiums for this project is that they do a Advent Children DLC like thing for part 3 so im going to believe this is what he was referring to lol
One thing I would like is for them to have a playable Cloud with a Fusion Sword earlier (best scenario is have Cloud used that for the majority of part 3) Especially if we have a playable Zack with the buster sword in part 3 as well.
Just them making the Fusion sword alone be fully playable and make the concept of Cloud being able to fight and switch fighting stances and style depending on which part of the Fusion sword he will use is already interesting in a gameplay perspective.
Square making the Fusion sword playable only for a short epilogue will only make people probably want another full game with Cloud using a fusion sword.
Kitase already said that the end of the trilogy directly links-up with the Advent Children movie, so I they're obviously not going to recreate it in Part 3.
@@RCDeschene let me dream
Talking of Intermission, are they going to be doing Deepground in pt3, or are they going to do a 4th FF7 remake game covering that?
I want this game to fill my hard drive, so sure load it up on one save file.
Im gonna go crazy waiting for part 3. Final fantasy rebirth has become one of my all time favorite games. Remake was amazing too.
To be fair(ish), 7Remake restarted development after they scrapped the work of CyberConnect2 and the in-house development for 7Remake was more like 3-4 years. Either way it still did take a long ass time for the game to come out but the in-house development time is impressive imo.
It could be that Aerith and Zack get to live on and be together in another world but the worlds will be forever disconnected from the primary beagle stamp world and although they will live happily ever after, they will have to say goodbye to Cloud and everyone forever. So in a sense, like they are dead, they can never see everyone again, but will have comfort in their hearts knowing they are out there alive and happy. That could be the happy ending thing hinted at. Just an idea.
I would think that the something could be advent children story stuff or maybe even dirge of Cerberus but who knows
I would love if they'd remake Dirge with less wonky controls, I could never play it because I couldn't get used to the controls and the camera but I still want to experience the story!
Nomura being the more grounded one sounds ironic to me considering all the convoluted out of this world stuff that he does with the KH series
They lie to protect nomura.we all know his writing.they are older and he is the "younger"one.he messes up everything
@@holy9781 Deranged comment.
@@holy9781nah, people has an easy target to vent their rage and will abandon and ignore logic and just use the guy as the target.
Your comment is a prime example of that.
A quick google search will show you Nomura doesn't write the scenarios of like 80 percent of the stuff he's involved in lmfao. There's no irony here.
I’m hoping the “Important thing to include” is the original story or timeline with all the new assets.
I’d even be willing to pay a hefty price for that as DLC or whatever.
My guess for the mystery thing to make everyone happy: Sephiroth redemption arc. I don't necessarily think it's a good idea, but anyone who has been in the community long enough knows how many ride or die fans he had garnered. All the lore that has been built up that he's just another tragic victim of Hojo's experiments rather than a truly evil villain - could they be leaning for an angle where Aerith (and maybe Cloud too?) forgive him for his misdeeds? No idea, just a thought!
I think about this often. Weirdly, not from a storytelling angle but a gameplay one. They bothered to program an entire moveset, animations, etc. for playable Sephiroth. I feel like you can't do that and just NOT use it again.
I am one of those fans who wants Sephiroth to have a happy ending. Mainly because I want a different ending from the OG game.
Also, I do love the character Hojo. But I always thought Hojo and Jenova were the true villains.
I don't care sephiroth gets the Redemption Ark. I think it would be a bad idea. But it would be nice if they went EVA Rebuild series type ending. Jenova doesn't exist, and Sephiroth is just a normal guy.
I don't think Kitase's "thing to deliver" is just a happy ending. Nomura could already do that because it's just a story and scenario decision. On that note, they said that the story is basically done, so I don't think this is up in the air.
The thing that's hard for Nomura to deliver is probably something related to linking up Advent Children with the end of the story in a technical way.
Advent Children already was a happy ending that provided closure, so it makes sense for Kitase to want to go in that direction.
From there, I don't think that they are going to undermine the themes of the original, but all this talk of trying new things does make it easy to get nervous.
When it comes to Advent Children, everyone can't be truly happy at the end of part 3. We have to reach a point where Cloud still feels the guilt and regret for Zack and Aerith.
No he should get over the guilt and regret in part 3 after his mind is fixed
The next Final Fantasy 7-teen
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The next FF7 would be the original vision of FF7 i.e.: Xenogears as a Final Fantasy game. With the original writers, Tetsuya Takahashi and Soraya Saga, of course. Which would mean a collaboration with MonolithSoft/Nintendo
I'd love a happy ending to FF7 if this is truly a sequel! This wouldn't destroy the original story at all but build on it with a final beautfiful conclusion. 30 Years of pain coming to a a happy end. This sounds kinda great to me. But the way to the happy ending gotta be really dark. Even darker than in the original.
So, I'll be honest, I have absolutely no idea what the "something" could actually be. (Maybe a FFVII Remake version of Advent Children to serve as an epilogue chapter of sorts? I really don't know.) What I will say though is that I don't think it's the Golden Ending where Zack and Aerith live, join up with the party, and everybody starts singing songs around the bonfire at Cosmo Canyon while the credits roll. The reason I don't think this is, simply because Nomura seems totally fine with it. Up until now, Normura has been pretty careful to keep the Remake Trilogy grounded, as you said, making sure that whatever else is added, it stays true to the themes and overall message of OG FFVII. Nomura's statement on Kitase's idea doesn't imply any real conflict between the two on the issue. He's just considering how to make the idea work well within the game. So in other words, he seems to be totally okay with the idea in itself, and thinks it could be great if handled correctly. What he's concerning himself with is merely the execution of that idea. If the idea was something that he felt compromised the themes and message of FFVII, I believe Nomura would be trying to talk Kitase out of it, rather than thinking on how best to implement it.
Golden Endings are basically always unsatisfying. The idea that they don't take anything away from the original is false, because A) the entire point of them is that they're better by comparison, and B) the point of a hard ending is that the audience has to deal with the emotional weight of the story ending in a challenging manner, and if the hard story becomes optional we really don't have to do that--and cant do that, even if we want to.
It's impossible to pretend that the ending is emotionally challenging when there's a convenient version of the story right beside it.
Square is on FIRE 🔥
We need a new game that takes place after doc. That after credit scene needs explanation
The platinum trophy was a bitch
The new changes happening at SE, younger staff taking new positions of greater influence who are way more in touch with players and this game, Rebirth, being the best Final Fantasy I've played in 20 years gives me hope that the dark days are coming to a close. Square Enix might actually redeem itself.
In lieu of a remake/remaster of DoC I wonder if on aspect of the happy ending would involve closure on the triangle between Sephiroth, Vincent and Lucretia.
Also, I have to bring it up because of Nero and Weiss: Genesis. I’m f****d if I know 😅
The way they talk about rhis not being part of the original game and them not knowing how to go about it really makes me think we could get a epilogue which you play through advent children there is so many advent children references in these couple games and they even re released the movie in japan and america if im right i feel this will be a way to make it come full circle
It wont red said it’s a glimpse of tomorrow if they fail here today and the party didn’t fail
I would like the Advent Children to not just be an epilogue, the story of AC yes I can see that working as an epilogue thing.
But Fusion Sword Cloud!. If they are making that version of Cloud playable, I don't want it to be a cop out limited time playable thing.
Like I would like to see square do a full fledge playable version of that where Cloud can actually fully use his fusion swords and can swap fighting stances with using the different sword piece of the Fusion sword and not just only have em use the fully combined fusion sword which is basically just a chunkier Buster sword .
@zacatkinson3926 yes but did you see what happened to Aerith the developers already said the story will stay true to its core just the way it happens will play out differently meaning this game will lead into advent children 100% whether its playable or not is the question
@@velvet33 It wont its a red herring, if they say otherwise they spoil the ending
@Snzn18 i totally agree it will be a big underraking i think they might just add new abilities to the fusion sword which you will get to use in a chapter selection similar to how you can use rhe clothing options after you beat the game after you finish the game a lot of the game is already done and the world built they just need to voice act and probably touch up a lot of things and implement it all so they would definitely have enough time to make an advent children section but i wouldnt expect it to last too long maybe 5 to 10 hours of gameplay since im sure they will add side content to this 2 years after the ending midgar but yea just the way this is worded really makes me think AC for a epilogue
I would loveeeeeee if they would somehow explore the true backstory of Jenova when she was alive. Maybe through the Gi it could be shown. Maybe flesh her out a bit more and give a reason besides she destroys planets or something. Would love a flash back to her in her prime!
I haven't been able to stop thinking about Rebirth after finishing the story. It was so good!
Remember, the back end work and all of the core systens for Rebirth were already made during Remake. Then Rebirth is just making them better and adding more.
Part 3 has had practically all of the work it needs to begin full scale production done before it even started.
I want a golden ending but also acknowledge that it’s going to be super hard to pull off. A good ending would be better than a lame golden ending.
If Remake to part 3 does take 13 to 14 years to complete I believe it will be worth it in the end. I was one of those FFVII OG purists and hated that it would be in multiple parts but after playing Remake and now seeing what they did with Rebirth I am having a blast with the games and can't wait for part 3
I think it was the best route for the development. They sure went "go big or go home" kind of a deal.
no they're talking about the legendary sex scene as the thing that will make everyone happy if done right.
jokes aside, i think kitase's thing may be inclusion of genesis and weiss giving a satisfying ending to all of that.
and nomura's thing may be that since after all this there's no way advent children is happening as is, what should they do, as everyone would love that game to be playable, but how to deliever that. it cant be an epilogue, its long, it should be a dlc
Thank you once again for covering this piece of information, NSP! I really found it interesting and wholesome!❤ I am glad that CBU 1 is finally able to find what works best for them, in order to work efficiently on their projects. It would be great to have the part 3 of the trilogy to release in 3 years or less!🤩 I can't wait to discover the "special" thing Kitase has in mind. I would love to also have the Rebirth Ultimania book translated in English too!🤩❤
Thanks again NSP, that waa a great video!😊
About the scene that Kitase-san talked about. Keep in mind that the devs said the exact same thing about the Gongaga scene. A scene that wasn't in the original game and hope that people will like it.
And I freaking loved that whole scene. So if they can top that. I think the new scene will be fantastic.
I think the good way to do this would be give us a bad ending which you would get like through the first playthrough and when you do hard mode you get the golden ending
So you lock the best Ending behind Hard-Mode? Greaaaaaaaaat Idea 🤮
So like ffx-2 where tidus is alive
This is what I say about the Remake project:
"Its the equivalent to the Rebuild of Evagelion"
Would love to get an Intermission for this game with vincent and cid DLCs...
I think Kitase is saying about "something" is the love scene between Cloud and Tifa under the Highwind. It was not in the original but was implicitly implied and it will make Cloud and Tifa happy. And ofcourse the thirsty fans such as myself. 😂😂😂
YOU’RE THE GREATEST NSP!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Rebirth is amazing
Except Chapter 14.
It was okay 👌
Maybe the secret thing is an extended look at the 500 years later part with Nanaki and his family
I agree with the sentiment that once they complete the 3rd game, they close the book on VII. I loved that about I - IX(mostly) being self contained titles and stories. I understand it’s a lucrative and occasionally easy way to make money with sequels, but I’d rather they move on to new ideas.
I’d be ok with the occasional spin off with different characters set in the world if it’s done right. I just don’t want to see them keep bringing Sephiroth back AC style.
Everybody forgets IV has like a sequel. Or even V with an animated sequel
I wouldn't mind a game remaking Advent Children, but that is it.
@@Snzn_7 One off hand sequel is pretty tiny compared to two sequels, three prequels, and an entire remake trilogy that aims to connect everything together.
@@Kingdom850 my point is the main comment " mentions (I -IX) as mostly stand alones. And if just a single sequel is nothing burger and still will take the cut for that grouping then why not Include XII, XV(since it basically has story extensions like III does in the form of animated media and novels, most FF titles do have tie in novels), and why not Include "XVI" in the list, or even X since it basically has "1 sequel".
That is the point that I am Making here, and not about making these titles as equally as big as a scale like the FFVII compilation is.
Like you are way off base your reply my dude.
I love all the changes and the theory crafting. I love a new story with old characters I care for. I’m here for all of it. I do hope they also make a 1:1 remake of the OG after the third installment is here, (with the updated mechanics.) They already have the character models, the world is built, so that would be a relatively cheap endeavour we’d all throw our money at
The big surprise for part 3 could be Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo show up as a phase of the final battle and/or Genesis shows up at some point near the end of the game.
It might be Genesis, or it might be mandatory Weapon fights against Ruby and Emerald with heavy cinematic elements.
I don't think the "multiverse" will comtinue because the multiple realities of ff7 fade and get reabsorbed into the planet.
Man, I hope the team from FF16 and FF7R work together for FF17. ❤❤❤
Hear me out.... If good and fast development is all about keeping the team together and gaining exp.... then let this dev team do FFXVII after this remake trilogy is done.
I feel most of the dev team will retire after the FF7 Trilogy. Them making another full-scale game right after 13 years of constant work. I'd feel bad for them, ngl 😅
When I think of things that would make the fandom happy the 2 things that come to mind are:
1. Saving Sephiroth, either by a redemption arc or by a time travel arc where we prevent him from going crazy, and possibly kill Hojo.
2. Saving Aerith and Zack.
I suppose there’s ways they could do those with the dimensional convergence they seem to be hinting towards. They’ve already set up that there are worlds where Aerith and Zack didn’t die, perhaps there’s one where Sephiroth never went insane.
I’m thinking they made a good younger version of Sephiroth in Ever Crisis for a reason. Yes it’s to explore his backstory more, but they could have him return as a playable character, either through time travel shenanigans or by explaining that he’s the good parts of Sephiroth that got eroded away when he was in the lifestream. I feel like they’re going to bring together storylines from all the Compilation stories.
They already mentioned that the original ending was kind of a bad ending, Meteor is stopped but the planet deems humanity too much of a threat and allows it to be wiped out. Maybe they could go the multiple endings route.
I want option 1. Sephiroth deserved better. Hojo and Jenova were the true villains. I do love character Hojo.
I would also love option part 2 as well.
But I think all roads lead to Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.
I just want a different ending of OG. I mean, if it's going to take 11 years with a 210 dollar price tag. I just want something different
I would love multiple endings. One ending where Sephiroth wins and other one where Cloud wins.
I either want a super happy ending or are the most depressing ending ever.
Either everyone gets saved, or everyone dies.
I know that's a bit extreme for a ending.
I hope part 3 really sticks the landing. That's what I'm worried about
Right now I have mixed feelings of FF7 Trilogy after Rebirth ending.
And I mean in the party not just different time-line bullshit. Imagine doing synergy attacks with cloud and Zack or arieth and zack.
I have no idea about the new element. I can't wait to find out. With conclusions for the characters, I wonder if they are trying to show that whatever happens after this story that we don't see, Cloud's character arc will be complete. In other words, were the events of Advent Children and Dirge or something similar to follow this story, the Cloud in that chapter of his life wouldn't regress back to the depressed state that he is in during the game.
I think that is the hard thing for me.
We still discuss Final Fantasy VII.....VI, IV, and even the 1st title. We speak about their greatness to this day almost and over 30 years later. I do not (And I loved the game) see XVI getting the discussion 30 years from now, when I am in my 70s. The Remake series has the potential.....but it is a re-telling of an old game.
I am currently playing through the Pixel Remasters now. (The only titles to come anywhere close to their originals. I am being reminded of how great the stories of IV and VI were. I know VI is. No other title will topple it from my top spot. But I had kinda forgotten IV's amazing story and game. V being just as fun and funny as it was. The breakthrough of things in III, the attempt in II to make a system of level gaining similar to the D&D formula the games were loosely based on. And the beginning one. Took me almost a full month to get it beat back in 1991. I can work it now in 8 or so hours. Or I could before the Pixel Remaster.....they fixed the overlapping enemy glitch at the end of the peninsula north o where ya get the ship. Took ten hours instead.
But I was 13 - 19 between I, IV, VI, and VII coming out. Perhaps these new titles are just beyond amazing with that same feeling for folks in that age range now. Hopefully they are.
I am just glad I was here from the beginning. The original released in Japan when I was 9. I am now about to turn 46.
4 is the story is quite average imo and the characters except for Cecil and rydia are very bland but I agree in general
I actually think a golden ending would be bad for game. X-2 for example underminded X's ending. Fan service doesn't always work. X's OG ending, 16s ending, 7s, all hit hard because winning had a cost. At most, maybe a "what if" ending like ignis dlc did for 15, one that represents what could have been, but not what is. Cannon stays cannon.
In fact, to this day one of my favorite final fantasies will always be 6. Heck whole second half of game is bitter sweet and even when you beat it, you're still left with "but did we really win though?". the world is still in ruin and magic gone and an entire race extinct and no clear one way or another answer on whether or not this ruined world truly will make it. That kind of dark ending is peak final fantasy.
I personally don't mind 'golden endings', but only if you have to seriously jump through some hoops to get it.
Take Growlanser 4's remake, which has 3 routes with the modified route being the 'golden ending'.
Each route and ending is decided by your actions.
Basically, no 'golden endings' by default is what I want.
That also means I'd like to see any one ending be considered 'canon'.
I'm a fan of the multiverse concept tho, and MK1 handled it really well for its 3rd reboot that officially made it a thing.
I'm calling it now that part 3 is going to be called Resurrection. I'm actually very surprised that not a single person has mentioned this title so far.
I think it's going to be called Resurrection for three main reasons:
1) tetsuya nomura when he was thinking about the title for part 2, he mentions that he wanted to come up with a title that was very similar and very reminiscent of the remake title because it conveys a very similar idea of recreating something. There is no reason to think that the RE title for part 3 will diverge from that same concept of coming up with another name that conveys that same theme of recreating something, so in that sense resurrection which means to bring something back to life, is very fitting. So that by the very end of the project they can say that they have successfully remade, rebirthed, and resurrected the final fantasy 7 game.
2) so I think that the title for part 3 is actually hidden inside the game itself, just like the title for rebirth was hidden within the title of the one-winged angel title in part 1 soundtrack. There is a part of the temple of the ancients that is called Hall of Resurrection, and as far as I know, The only other RE word in the entirety of rebirth is reborn for the sephiroth reborn fight, and they definitely are not going to use reborn after having used rebirth.
3) finally I feel like it would be a fantastic title because the very name Resurrection can hold a dual meaning for part 3, wear aside from achieving what nomura wants with remake rebirth and resurrection all having the same kind of theme of recreating something, it also fulfill the role of making people think of Aerith when they hear the title. We all know that's where enix loves to mess around with their audience, so what better way to make people think that she can get resurrected then through the title of the game itself, but in reality, resurrection could just be applied to another form of sephiroth just like he had his sephiroth reborn form in rebirth. Or Resurrection could apply to something else in the game, but the title will serve a dual purpose nonetheless by keeping people talking about whether Resurrection applies to Aerith.
4) I actually have a fourth reason that I just thought of, but mind you that it's a little out there so excuse me if it sounds too far-fetched. So I feel like the title resurrection is a fitting conclusive name to the development of these three titles. Resurrection almost feels like the natural last step in the progressive titling that nomura has been doing. What I mean by progressive titling is that it almost feels like the specific order of Remake, Rebirth, and resurrection would have been chosen for a reason.
Remake would be first because to make something, like a table or a chair, is a beginner's level way of creating something: ie creating something lifeless and inanimate.
Rebirth something would be second because to give birth to something is a higher form of creation, like giving birth to a baby. Something that has a life, a soul.
Resurrection would be the final level of creation because the act of being able to give life to something that is dead is currently technologically and scientifically impossible, but they aspire to be able to achieve that one day.
If the story is already complete it can't be what kitase suggests with a happy ending because the story is set in stone it feels like it's more in line with some good fanservice potential they want to implement like with rebirth the first ff7 kiss scene, Zack Cloud teamup in the ending etc.
An ending to please every character happy? I don't know why, but that scares me. MAYBE in another timeline where that is, but in the current timeline, it isn't necessary. I know most of us want an ending where everyone is happy with their love ones and the world was safe, but sometimes, you just can't get everything you want. But that was one of the best things about FFVII story and characters in the original. They had good lives and their story arcs were so amazing, we do wish things could have been better for them. Characters in storytelling need sad back stories so we can sympathies with them. They can't be perfect without it. Giving them this ending where "everyone is happy," just feels like fan service. I won't spoil the ending to Rebirth if you haven't finished it, but I didn't like how they handled it. It's still faithful to the original (to a point), but HOW the way they did it, was TOO....ew...Disney-ish? I have a feeling that's what they meant and how they want the ending to be for Part 3 when they said everyone gets an happy ending. If I didn't like how they ended Part 2, sadly, I think I'm going to be even more pissed with Part 3's ending. BUT HEY! Hopefully I'm wrong.
So fucking true, ff7 has always been about tragedy and loss and overcoming them so it would make zero sense to keep everyone alive and happy, the people who want that ending can go play kingdom hearts
If it does take three years to make part 3 then hopefully that means counting this year and the next two. I mean it's already been in development since 2022 and I hope we get part 3 either in 2026 or sooner. Also I definitely would like to see a happy ending happen with Aerith coming back somehow and Zack finally reuniting with her as you said yourself. Also Cloud as his true self and no longer being plagued hallucinations or doubt about who he truly is and possibly Biggs Wedge and Jessie coming back too.
I personally would LOVE a "golden" ending and don't see what you mean about it taking away from the story of FF7 because like... the original game is still there, with its story intact. Remake and Rebirth are thus far riding the line between proper sequels or just wild adaptions of the OG game HARD, and the final game will allow us to see where it ultimately falls. PERSONALLY, considering how much of the story has already changed (Sephiroth being WAY more present, the Whispers, Cloud may or may not have saved Aerith in another timeline, etc.) I think it would SUCK for the story to reach the exact same conclusion we already had originally. If they were going to have the exact same ending, the changes and building up peoples' hopes and expectations of something DIFFERENT would just be cruel. I would have preferred all the main plot beats not changing AT ALL and just everything getting expanded a bit in that scenario. But since these changes already exist and ARE changing how people interpret the game and what they might want from the ending I say embrace them! The original game will always exist with its ending for those that prefer it - you can just treat the Remake trilogy as a bad sequel and ignore it (like fans collectively do for sequels they don't like in any media ALL THE TIME). I want to see a new, happier ending.
Yeah lets keep everyone alive and live happily ever after…….fuck emotion and story telling am i right???
@mohammadalhusaini810 Well from the looks of rhings Jessie and Wedge died Biggs in the other Zack timeline might also die again since there is like 3 zack timelines now and Aerith is basically dead too so seems to follow how it is in the original just differently but they still die the same way
@@mohammadalhusaini810 Play the original if you want to feel bad about yourself
@@mohammadalhusaini810 I straight up said that story and ending STILL EXISTS with the original game. This story is a separate thing that has ALREADY changed things. And personally I see no point in making those changes but having the exact same ending, when the changes made would make said ending WORSE than the original. Like there's a lot of emphasis this time around on trying to DEFY destiny and change things for the better compared to what the Planet's intended fate (OG 7's story) is. Do you seriously want a story where the characters are actively fighting fate and then they LOSE and everything turns out just like the original game, except even more depressing with the added layer of "well you can't fight fate I guess"???
@@AlyssaJ14 i would rather have a “depressing” ending than an ending that keeps every single main character alive except for the villain thats just too childish bro cmon ff7 has always been about loss and suffering and learning how to live through guilt, why would you deviate from that.
I really hope they open up player choice, right at the end. Give players genuine options, such as a Tifa/Cloud, Aerith/Cloud, all gang together, no difference vs OG etc. If programmed in right at the end, it wouldn't take up too much dev time, but would generate the capacity for so much happiness. Not to mention, end these stupid shipping wars.
They could do the AC arc as an epilogue like how the Red Dead games do the Jack Marston and John Marston arc . That way it can split between the original ending and epilogue. The story would flow better I think.
Would be nice if what Kitase is talking about is a more traditional remake. I love the FF7R project, but as an OG fan, I’d love to see Square’s take on that, even if we do have amazing mods out there on PC that do still do it justice
He said he wanted to keep the same pace and that they spent 1 year on the DLC so I would expect the last game to come out in 2028 IF they are able to accomplish that goal. 1year for DLC (seems pretty obvious they'll be doing Cid or Vincent DLC or both) plus 3 years to make the new game gets us to 2028, not 2027. I would set your expectations to 2028 at the soonest and if they make it by 2027 then you'll have something to be excited about rather than expect 2027 and have to be disappointed when it doesn't come out then.
Well, if that thing is the idea they had while they were developing the original of killing off everyone who's not in your party when you return to Midgar, that's gonna be something!
how old are we when part 4 is out?
It's only 3 parts. They may remake Advent Children and do a Dirge of Cerberus type game.
Waiting sucks.
3 to 4 year till we get part 3
PT3 will be out in no time. Was thinking about how FF8/9 remake could probably be a two part game each. I think one pt each would trim way to much unless they had a solid FF13/2 style of progression. Speaking of, we need lightning trilogy on 13.
i have a question for you is tifa going to save cloud from mako poisoning and repair his mind in the lifestream in part 3?
This translation process through the ENTIRE ultimatina may be Audrey’s greatest work nbs
There is always people who wanted Aerith Dead, just for being dead. For that you have the original… and they have given the dead Aerith for the cry harder crowd.
If she is dead or not, it is already decided in the story itself. I think this is more related to mechanics.
If she's not dead in remake, then no, you no longer have the original.
@@DutchDread what you talking about?
You missed the point that the Remake is not a substitute for the original…
The 3rd remake needs to not just bring back Moogle form of Cloud Strife but they need to make his Moogle form playable. We also need cute animal mascot costumes and cloud needs to be turned into a cute chocobo similar to the chocobos dungeon design but if that cute chocobo had clouds hairdoo and sword
They are just going to make two worlds parallel to one another so Zack can be with aerith and advent children makes sense. Worlds that can reunite once in a while like Zack said worlds can come together again. This way they could have synergy skills for when worlds reunite.
It will be FINAL FANTASY VII RETURN? We'll wait and see.
Submarine and Highwind need to become summons! Cid Highwinding is two much. Just make them chadley based summoning materia or make them summons specific to the Ultima and Emerald weapon bosses.
Everyone is forgetting that after part 3 kitase will be focusing on kingdom hearts 4 and ff7 can definitely live on in that universe as they have shown
Playing through Rebirth makes me sad that we will likely never get the same treatment for any other FF game. Would love this to happen for 6 or 8. If they did it with 8 they could easily make the same kind of story changes and open things up for people who may have passed it up originally. I feel like the summon- and limit-heavy combat would make for a nice spectacle in modern graphics.
Oh they will probably never do this again for a Final Fantasy game. I mean FF7 is there golden child where they have no problem milking to death.
I can understand FF6 not being a money maker because it's not as big as FF7.
It's sad how most FF games don't even get a fraction compared to attention FF7.
It would take 20 years to make FF6 in the same way as FF7. They will probably do it in a 2D format like Octocapath Travelers if I spelled that right.
It should be interesting what they do with FF9 if it is getting remade. Probably won't have a big budget as FF7 or advanced graphics as well.
I absolutely hate the idea of Aerith and Zack being alive at the end, and I hope Kitase will throw that idea away and never look back
Even what they are seemingly trying to in Rebirth, which is keeping them dead in the new timeline, but having them still somewhat alive in an other timeline, is pretty much the maximum I can take about this
I was blown away by the depth of FF rebirth. I hope that the 3rd part will be as good as rebirth and better
I would prefer a more bittersweet ending leading to advent children instead.
The "something" will definitely be being able to explore space.
Its awesome to have a great engine powering a great story. They invested a lot in that engine and it paid off.
I’m hoping they somehow undo the KH infection the story was inflicted with in the latter half of Rebirth. The age of things being overly convoluted for the sake of it is over.
That being said, if it follows the path it was on, then Cloud is killing Zack 100%
The only thing I want or need to see to make me happy is Tifa and Cloud finally getting their happy end. The perfect ending being them sitting down with Marlene and Denzel on a blanket in a field of flowers with an obviously pregnant Tifa.
The only thing that could ruin basically any ending for me is the overly "positive" ending of Aerith and Zack being alive.
If one lives then screw it, do them both. But I don't see any version of that that I don't hate. Just end it with Tifa and Cloud being thankful for them and them being proud and happy for them from the lifestream. Honestly. Give me the pregnant Tifa scene and follow that up with the AC ending of Aerith and Zack walking into the light and I can finally close this chapter of my life with a smile.
I don't think this "thing" Kitase mentions is gonna be an AC DLC. He said it's something that wasn't in the og, but could make everyone happy if delivered properly. I don't think they already had plans for AC when they were developing FF7, so it does sound more as the "happy ending" NSP is mentioning.
I really REALLY hope they won't have a multiverse-ending where everyone gets to live on happily, just to please every fandom.
Part of good storytelling in FF7 is the grief, loss, letting go of guilt, living on despite regrets. They are a part of life most humans have to tackle at some point, and loss and fleetingness is what gives meaning to what's left behind. Stories give us this perspective before loss happens, and makes us appreciate what we have that much more. Take that away at the ending, and the story just becomes hollow fluff.
Cissnei will be playable in part 3. She has the ff “look” and fits in with the party
Please tell me there is mention of a submarine section and golden saucer game!!!!!! I think they are gonna make part 3 as sorta a alternate ending situation. in one universe you fight for, things end up like the original and maybe even a few other endings. that would be amazing but only if they do it right.
Bring Aerith back! Give us the option based on our progress who Cloud ends up with in a relationship.
Let´s just hope, that FF7 Reunion will be a complete closure (including Dirge of Cerberus and Yuffie getting Nero)
I haven't played none of the remakes yet, but are they not doing dirge and advent with it? I got crisis core but it continued after the main game with dirge and advent not to mention the cell phone games
Play part 3 in two ways, the Aerith and Zach live in the prime timeline ending and the they live in the dying timeline and decide to enjoy the little time they have left together and it’s kinda sad.
Both endings are canon, you get to choose which one is canon to you lol
Nomura doesnt get the credit he needs :D he definetly one of the big ones too even if people have their gripes with convoluted storys with multiple layers but the man delivers !
I really hope you're wrong about this being the end of the FF7 story. Also wow with the Shinra Archeology disrespect.