Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Devs Just Dropped a TON of BIG News..
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Ultimania is here, providing us a ton of brand new details regarding the story, Airships in part 3 & more. Thanks to Shinra Archaeology Department for providing translations.
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Regarding landing the Highwind...
Solution: Never land it. Just use a ladder or rope or rope ladder to climb in and out. When we see the Highwind in Rebirth it isn't "landed". Don't see why we really need to land it.
I completely agree with this. Or have a small “dingy” that can fly down.
Because people will cry about it.
It’s just overthinking it at this point. Imagine putting 2 games out that clock in at 150+ hours, 3 times the content of the OG and they’ve only gotten thru disc 1, and people still crying about why they split it up.
Honestly happy to see them nitpick the little things..this is the same company that said HD towns couldn’t be done and then we got rebirth. So they’ll be fine. If you like rebirth and/or remake you’re in for a treat no matter what.
Exactly my thoughts! It's hardly difficult to imagine that the Highwind would stay up "high" where the "wind" is 😂
I don't see how it can stay in the air forever though
@@firekungfuhero1150 Rope ladder for uneven terrain, land for open flat surfaces. Problem solved.
When Zack said "What the hell is going on?" I felt that.
Only part that makes sense
Once again, zack being a normal guy in a world full of weirdos 😂
Zack's always saying what I'm thinking XD "shut up!" to Genesis, "that's not even funny, man" to Angeal, "what's going on?!" to everything LMAO
Also Barret with "You gotta be kidding me. He still ain't dead?" 😂 Had me chuckling in the final boss.
we feel anything he says
I think its pretty easy to land the ship … just have it float and drop a ladder, or only allow the ladder to drop should the area be deemed accessible.
This!!!
Yeah that's what I thought. And then if it's a place where even a ladder can't easily drop to, then you just can't land there.
Meanwhile, Dragon Quest XI just gives us a flute and only lets you land in certain spots (the second one is likely with the next game).
Also has OG reference when Tifa jumped on the ladder from Juno cannon.
It would be a pretty long ladder
"Super position" seems key to understanding what is going on here. The experiencing of multiple realities in parallel.
Aerith has been in this state since the beginning of remake, she is experiencing the original story and a new altered timeline simultaneously. This is her gambit to stop Sephiroth only her window for change was reMake when she still had foreknowledge. Cloud is now in this state where he is both experiencing a timeline where Aerith is both dead and alive simultaneously, hence his altered perspective with the "doomed timeline sky", since eventually causality will eventually be forced to collapse onto one of those scenarios.
Cloud is going to put his memories of Sephiroth in that empty pure materia finally cutting Sephiroth connection off from the real world.
cloud: "stay a memory sephiroth"
sephiroth: "no"
cloud: *whips out empty materia*
"get the fuck in bitch"
I actually had a similar thought. Kind of like the end of GoW Ragnarok
Interesting, reminds me a lot like Jafar from Aladdin getting imprisoned in the lamp
@@revenger32sephiroth summoning materia confirmed
Oh. Oh shit this is fantastic
I think it's clear that there is a timeline where Cloud saves Aerith partly because of the visual queue (rainbow-y effect) of alternate timelines being created occurring when Cloud deflects the blade. I'll be on that copium until part 3 comes out.
Both can be true.
My personal theory is that this version of Sephiroth is the OG Sephiroth somehow going back in time (timeline of Rebirth) to try to change destiny/fate, since thats a big theme of the game. Whose better fate to change then his own. Hell they only won because Aerith dies to activate Holy.
If different timeline theory is true, Zack'll back and help us according to the last scene of him succeded to get ouf from Sephiroth's darkness and the rainbow colour also appeared
For the theory of whether or not Cloud is in denial, I can say one thing. Having personally experienced a scenario where I was witnessing someone who had rewritten a traumatic event in their head, Cloud is exhibiting almost clinically accurate symptoms to what I've seen. He is definitely not seeing things as they truly happened. I think we will revisit the Forgotten Capital (an ironic name) when Cloud and Tifa fall into the lifestream in Part 3 and Cloud will finally see what really happened.
Yea, I'm betting we are going to get a flashback to him shedding a tear in remake and its him lowering her into the water, but of course hes in denial right now so we skipped that part. Also Im thinking Aerith is probably helping him cope by communicating with him directly from the lifestream and while its feeding into his delusion, its keeping him from mentally breaking for now. Shes obviously there in some capacity because Nanaki feels her presence, but much like in Advent Children only Cloud can interact with her. That's my guess atleast.
Nah I don't think so. Aerith had the same premonitions in remake regarding date and change the outcome of fate. Zack also asked cloud to save Aerith after her death in his timeline. My guess the two timelines created when he did in fact save her and the one where he didn't get there in time. My theory is he saved Aerith in Zacks timeline where they rekindle and clouds timeline continues as normal and stops sephiroth, when white materia destroys meteor, ending Armageddon on all timelines but closes off all timelines together.
There's too many inconsistencies for a typical denial scenario though.
Cloud's short conversations with Aerith could be denial, but we see Red being able to sense her touch,
Cloud and only Cloud has an altered perception of the sky now, which might call back to Aerith's quote about the sky at the end of remake.
It seems more like at the end of Remake and throughout Rebirth Aerith was the one in "super position" where the battle for the outcome of this timeline is between her decisions and Sephiroth's. And for the final game's it will be Cloud who is in "super position". Super position being in more than one possible state at once.
Aerith is both dead and alive at once. Cloud experiences both realities simultaneously. Where Aerith before this was experiencing the original story and the altered rebirth timeline at once, only the wisps had her memories removed.
What I believe is that what Cloud's seeing is Aerith making herself visible to him for him to not lose his shit and start blaming himself. That mixed with the mixture of timelines. She does not want to lose Cloud so she's doing that knowing how fucked up his mind already is.
i took it as because Cloud and Arerith were in another world, that only cloud could see her in the timeline intersection.
I think its just her spirit
I'm from the timeline where Stamp is a cat.
She's alive .. somewhere else. He saved her . She thanked him in the final battle. If they were able to grab a white material from another timeline then can grab another Aerith.
that reduces the value of life, if anyone can be replaced, then their life and death has no value
@@pandaeyez Kinda like what Bugenhagen said. If everything has a purpose, one could argue nothing has a purpose.
@pandaeyez Not true . You got your sad scene. Now bring her back . Why even bother with a remake at all if you're going to copy and paste the depressing mistakes of the last game. People want her to live.
@@Eiliestlpeople want good story telling and good story telling needs tragic deaths…….if you don’t like that go play kingdom hearts
They didn’t get the sad scene though, they made it such a rollercoaster that it lost any impact it would have had.
So basically reality is determined by collective agreement so the main timeline is real but also the other worlds are real to those observing it. What makes it more "universally" real is everyone's agreement [like the Remake timeline and OG timeline (both involving so many viewpoints that both are more solid or real worlds commonly referred to as reality), lol, illusion and real are just a perception seems like]. So Sephiroth is trying to bring himself a win in all worlds or "realities" by getting everyone to change their worldview or unify it so there's one world reality/illusion so he comes back to life and can win it all in one new agreed upon reality, this has the secondary effect of bringing all the main cast and protagonists back as well and a final battle commences between heroes and villain. Thus, Aerith comes back to our reality and the lifestream "multiworldverse" ends off with one more coherent, single reality and get a happy ending for our main cast - this happy ending could, possibly, be in just one reality or diverge back into different world agreements so main cast can live out their own realities/sub-realities (sub-reality meaning less individuals agreeing or souls perceiving it so would be considered illusion to most worlds but reality to them) and thus, everyone can get a happy ending. It's a multireality/multi-mind-verse rather than multiverse where agreement determines truth/reality, although one could argue it's still a multiverse just one based on lifestream/souls of the one planet rather than whole universe...
I hope it ends as one main world that we follow rather than a bunch of 20 different worlds we observe as this deserves a singular world win and final arc, not just oh look hes happy over there or shes happy over there etc.
Also, Aerith has been playing 4D chess to prevent this reunion win that Sephiroth is trying to have after merging the world views.
Lastly, this whole lifestream of realities/worlds likely was always more separated but because Sephiroth couldn't merge with lifestream due to Jenova after death in OG timeline we are getting his influence breaking down the barrier between worlds (since time doesn't exist per say except by agreement in lifestream/different worlds so story has both ended and just started in multiple worlds so he transcends worlds/realities). Aerith is working with the lifestream to counteract this and thus the white whispers vs dark whispers is occurring. Aerith body is dead, her soul lives on, in other worlds she is agreed to be alive, if enough agreement occurs or worlds reunion occurs she will come back to life in main world or a new absolute "world of worlds" all joined together.
While I originally thought it was Cloud dealing with some grief/denial about Aerith, that changed during the final cutscene in the field. Aerith is shown looking at the crew and even rests her hand on Red probably comforting him. He comments as if sensing her presence. I'm in the camp that even though she is gone physically, she is still present through the Lifestream.
Not a game developer obviously, but couldn't they just have the highwind hover above a location and drop a ladder? and then areas needed for important story moments could have a larger space to land on.
Like Sephiroth said, even the most resilient worlds fade away, so out of those 6 mentioned worlds, maybe some will fade and we don't necessarily have to keep up with them to a large degree in part 3. It's about key events that happen in some of them that are relevant to the main plot.
So Zack is basically Sora, travelling between worlds and stuff. That is such a Nomura
not by choice though, he is being lead by Aerith
... and it stinks.
these are insane mental gymnastics. Didn't you just watch the video and heard how NSP mentioned the plot is a team effort? Stop being dense and putting the blame on one guy like there isn't an entire collective of devs working on the story.
For the airship landing. Use the Shinra towers as drop off locations.
Ah yes! Makes capturing them even more important ❤
Ive been a fan of FF7 since the late nineties and I loved every second of Rebirth, I cant wait for part 3.
Same, it's been done so well.
@@user-nh2fl8zy2r Well, no, ill take back what I said party, I loved 90% of the game but the minigames we're torture. Except for Chocobo Racing, loved that. :D
I don't have any complaints other than Cait sith throwing "game" mechanics and the boxing game.
@@user-nh2fl8zy2rfuck that part. That just felt like the devs saying “this game will not be perfect”
Are you saying you can’t wait for…Return?
I really appreciate how subtle SE is being about these changes. I didn't even notice the chihuahua figure or Johnny carrying that Corgi plush
Subtle? They beat us over the head with sky rifts, time jumps, and now multiverse crap. They arent being sudbtle in the slightest. They are being Kingdom Hearts.
@@jakeryan2805 There is nothing multiversal about anything in Kingdom Hearts, jackass. Actually play one of the fuckin games for once before you spout horeshit.
@@jakeryan2805you do realize they wanted to do this originally but the game would have been 7 disc's so they decided against it and cut alot of what it would have been right?😂
I seriously hope that the devs nail the Highwind--especially if other developers pick up on whatever solution the FF7R devs cook up and we see a return to airships and/or similar vehicles in future games!
Skies of Arcadia did it 20 years ago. Nomura is just being a baby - the more I see and hear from the guy, the more I think I start to understand the hate >:(
“Multiverse theory is a bitch”
Lol, awesome reference 😁
😂😂
The water burial is too iconic to be left out it will definitely be in part 3 in the lifestream sequence with cloud and tifa
3:04 *Intense ptsd flashbacks of dying hundreds of times trying to land it*
Was very satisfying to finally learn it though i wont lie
luckily it's only required for Pitoss
@@Force-Multiplierdude.. that place was HELL 1st time, I have fond memories of it but having an entire dungeon around hard platforming in a game not built for it was a crazy idea
I think the fact that Cloud is the only one who can see the rift in the sky proves that Aerith isnt all in his head. I think his fragmented mind is picking up on other realities.
I'm guessing there will be an airship landing port added to each region. That way they can prerender the landing scenes without much issue with the terrain.
Please please please wrap all of these timelines into a nice bow. Sephiroth tries to bring all of the world together and instead, we beat him and the timelines are restored to a single, terrier timeline.
A-men. This is what it all depends on - if they wrap everything up with a neat, interesting conclusion, which *meaningfully* INCLUDES AND CONCLUDES all the ideas opened up from the different timelines, together in ONE satisfying and unambiguous (or MOSTLY-unambiguous) conclusion, then the RE-Trilogy will probably be lauded as a paragon of "remake" craft.
If they don't, then the entire Re-Trilogy will leave sour taste in peoples mouths for a very long time.
Yes, merge all the timelines and have it end conclusively. I don't care if the ending is Aerith and Zack gone or not, I just want it to end in a way that finishes to story.
Why Terrier? You mean Beagle? Its the primary one. In Terrier, most of the party is dead.
@@pandaeyez Yes, I meant to say Beagle!
I feel like aerith is dead but sort of in the sense that sephiroth is dead, where they're in this weird state of being dead but sephiroth is trying to reunite all the jenova cell test subjects to come back alive, aerith is in this dead/alive state in the life stream multiverse, where she can materialize in different worlds but needs mechanism to do so, maybe a vessel or maybe even a connection to cloud or sephiroth who knows. Aerith and sephiroth are playing multidimensional 4D chess
The Highwind doesn't actually land on the ground though if I recall so they could just have us disembark from a rope ladder or some type of lift system. That would allow us to land on some smaller locations.
Rope ladder to get down, grapple gun to get up
Anchor and zipline down then grapple hook back up to the deck. Would never get old...
Even better than a ladder! How many times have we seen the cast use grappling hooks, only for them to take them away from us? lol
This!
i said this since the day of release , my theory is twofold, either cloud will encase sephiroth on the empty materia,tieing to advent children dialogue of not being just a memory or he will hold memory of aerith inside it, maybe like a witch object used to be reborn, i forgot what they call it in rpgs,wich would tie to her dialogue in the church for him to make new memories from this place (their spot).
or third option, cloud psyque is broken and he is a husk, the only way to save him is his memories preserved in the materia,wich would still tie to aerith dialogue,focus on the real you.
and if they are dicks about it they could make us choose between the 3 lol. save the world, save aerith or save cloud
My main theory has been that there is a single Lifestream across all timelines.
When Cloud fell into the chasm where the Temple stood, he died, and so he woke up in the next body in a timeline where he took his stroll with Aerith. She then pushed him into that rift in the church, either flinging him back into his original body, or possibly flinging him to an entirely new timeline where he survived the fall. Everytime one Cloud/Zack/Biggs/etc dies, another one on another timeline wakes up. These people are "fated". They are cosmic constants that need to exist to allow fate to flow as it must.
Then there are those who have achieved a higher awareness. Primarily, Aerith and Marlene. People who have connected directly to the lifestream and understand the shape of things. They are awake and aware of multiple realities, and the nature of fate. Sephiroth has essentially been imitating this form of existance. He's within the Lifestream, acting as a parasite.
Someone once described Eldritch Horror as "being like an ant on a keyboard, who suddenly realizes that the keyboard is something created by something larger and more unknowable than it."
Sephiroth is in the Lifestream, trying to manipulate fate itself while having no understanding of it's greater machinations of the Lifestream. As if that ant was a megalomaniac, and thought it could control the keyboard.
Love this. Mega appreciate you tuning in last night, too.
Since first finishing Remake, I always wanted Aerith to come back in time too, I've no idea if that happened or will happen because I was very much Zack with the "what the hell is going on?" ending lol, but I still really liked Seph saying he underestimated her. Was cool.
I also loved the Zack and Cloud fighting together bit!
If you bring Zack back as a party member together WITH Cloud, and give us future Aerith helping to save the day, then I don't care what they do with the plot in Re:3, I'll be happy! :D
Translucent materia now represents clouds memories. When Clouds remembers his past it will be powered up again.
I definitely loved the game. I just wish it wasn't so convoluted now. The old game had a simple, easy to understand plot. I love timeline stuff but not when it gets too messy. It's unclear why their showing Zack, unclear what Sephiroth's true ambitions are, unclear which Aerith is in control, and they could've Dove deeper into the Jenova lore and had us really guessing if it was Sephiroth or Jenova in control, and I'd have loved to see the ancients having to deal with the creature, the virus, and seeing it take the shape of family and friends. They could've really built some physiological suspense there. Hopefully these things will be addresses in part 3.
They do seem to be alluding to the fact that the timelines will all converge by the end though, so I hope the end will at least feel like a simplification back to a clearly understandable conclusion.
Why do people still act like there is a question about Jenova or Sephiroth being in control? Sephiroth is the one doing all of this, Jenova is a lifeless husk of cells. This is Ultimania confirmed from forever ago.
We did get Jenova lore in the Temple that we aren't supposed to get until the Great Glacier area. You don't even learn that Jenova isn't a Cetra until after Aerith dies in the original, nor do you learn about the Weapons or Ifalna.
They said before release that we wouldn't get many answers about the timeline weirdness in this part, they have to save something for the end. I personally think Cloud's moment where him and Tifa fall into the Lifestream together is when this will get addressed since they used Cloud's original moment for Tifa in this game.
The Lifestream is this collective unconsciousness that the devs referred too, all these alternate worlds are possibilities in the Lifestream. The main plot is occurring as it should, minus some details.
I honestly think people are making it way more convoluted than it already is by looking for hidden meanings instead of taking it at its word. It can be fun to speculate but people really go way off script trying to fit the game to their theories rather than starting with what the game actually says.
If you’re confused about something, it’s because the game hasn’t answered those questions yet. The trilogy isn’t over. This is like me seeing Cloud in the og game explain his backstory and then not remembering what happened to Sephiroth, and then complaining that we didn’t get the answer to that, even though the game answers it later on 💀. Let them cook is all I have to say.
The ancients having to deal with Jenova I could see them saving until we get to Ifalgna and Gast’s home since in the original game it’s there where you find out Jenova’s true nature. Sephiroth’s true ambitions are probably something they’ll only unveil at the end to keep us guessing about whether he’s on the level about wanting to save the planet or is still just looking to consume a ton of energy and become a god.
Zack is mostly there for fanservice in this one. I think most of the payoff for keeping him alive will come in Part 3, when Cloud learns Zack is the one that was really the Soldier First Class in Nibelheim. Or possibly whenever they spring Genesis on us, because god forbid we have a FFVII remake without that twit.
My theory for the clear materia, which I haven't heard mentioned anywhere yet, is that when Cloud remembers himself, Zack's memories will seep into the clear materia allowing you to be able to summon him at some point.
Doesn't have to land. Could just hover a bit off the ground and can either have an elevator transport that can carry a Chocobo as well. Even tho i like the Variation of Chocobos we had on rebirth, i want to be able to breed and own my gold Chocobo.
Yea, it was cool for this game, but I don't want to have to go through the chocobo traversal gmmicks again. Gongaga and Cosmo were a serious headache and not in a "I need to solve this puzzle" kind of way.
Gold Chocobo will likely be end game for the places the Highwind can't land.
@jramirez4310 lol Gongaga was a pain. But the best part of OG FF7 was getting the gold Chocobo for that insane Knights of Round. It would feel cheap to earn that summon in a battle simulator.
Thank goodness gongaga had the best overworld music to me because man I got frustrated finding my way through that area. Cosmo canyon as well but gongaga was on a whole different level 😵💫
I wonder if the Zack from the DLC is going to become relevant, or if they scrapped it after finally switching to work on Rebirth. All the Zacks from the different timelines are more or less the same, split from a decision made from being in the same situation. The Zack from the DLC doesn't seem to realize what's going, and we also don't see Cloud anywhere. The developers seem to have thought through everything, so I want to believe that that is going somewhere, but who knows.
Also, I was thinking that the Zack at the church at the end of the game had landed in the Beagle timeline, but this is the Zack that Sephiroth banished while fighting, so why would he send him to the main timeline where he could aid Cloud? Unless, of course, Sephiroth just created a rift and didn't choose where to send him. Maybe Aerith stepped in and chose to land him in the main timeline to reunite him with Cloud. The flowers being alive and healthy might signify that he landed somewhere that has a living and healthy Aerith, though. There are literally endless possibilities now; it's going to make theorizing both challenging and fun!
This has been very awesome so far and I really hope that in part 3 something unexpected happens that'll bring Aerith back or that she's still alive in the alternate timeline where Zack is and that when the two worlds merge they'll all see each other again.
I bet the Zack in front of the Church in the intermission ending is the Corgi World Zack that was knocked into the lifestream where he fought with Cloud.
I guarantee they will make designated spots for the high wind to land to avoid having problems
In the OG didn't the Highwind just drop a ladder in cutscenes, or was it having a hatch open below that served as a ramp to the ground? Just do that. Ramp or Ladder don't even need to touch the ground, just hover at enough of a height that Cloud and co can jump from considering their athleticism.
I don't see why landing should be a problem. Just don't. Make the airship tethered to some kind of dock, or ground anker. This would suit the charackter of the airship pretty well and establish it metaphorically as something of an other level, like the original Highwind music score already does so eloquently. Now introduce a fancy way to travel up and down to the ship, that also masks loading transitions from a simplified 3d space for the airship to the more complex world map that can be roamed freely. In the flightmap You could even use nebulous clouds to mask details on the surface that take to much capacity to render.
Will we see a 7th world which is the one Aerith is saved? That seems like the right number even though there are technically infinite.
I'm on FF5 now. Then I'm gonna complete FF6 and then onto the great FF7 Compilation. ❤
Enjoy 7 bro. Ik you willl
@unstoppableforcevsimmovabl1701 Oh most definitely. Finished FF7 twice. This will be my 3rd playthrough so I will be taking my time going through all of them. 🥰
@@etherealdreamerart ff5 was Tetsuya Nomura's 1st creative involvement in game dev at Square. He did ff5's battle/monster graphics! ❤
@@KHhero FF5 was great indeed. I'm now on FF6. ❤️
after rebirth i went and played remake again and when cloud falling from the 2nd reactor platform there's a scene that makes no senes with what we know now about the wisper's, i think that from there cloud might've swapped worlds or you're a different cloud that's been swapped like with biggs in rebirth. and the highwind you don't need a landing i'd be happy with them just teleporting down like in the OG ff7.
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The ending of Rebirth is for sure to be debated/discussed! They said before Rebieth released that both new and old players of FF7 would be surprised by the story/happenings, and yes it was TRUE! They have done so many changes to the events around Aeris death compared to the original game, I would say they have already reseceted her as of the Rebirth ending! I believe she is alive in a second dimension and are able to travel between them! Iam sure that we will see some spectacular events in Part 3 for sure.
I feel like we’ll get the water burial when Tifa repairs cloud’s mind however, Tifa will also see what Cloud did in protecting Aerith. As it was briefly shown that Tifa was seeing both timelines, although it ended with her just seeing Aerith being dead and either the whispers took the memories of her seeing Aerith saved away or her just thinking it was a moment of denial. I believe Advent Children Aerith interfered at that point to ensure the planet be saved. Possibly to throw Remake Aerith to a point to where no one other than Cloud seeing Remake Aerith alive. Thus, when Sephiroth brings the worlds together again AC Aerith will bring out Remake Aerith with the Holy materia turned from white to green, or she combines the holy materia she has in the temple with the one she left with Cloud to counteract Sephiroth trying to use more than one black materia
The Tifa thing was just a camera shot that people are reading way too much into. The green interference is and always has been Cloud's mind rejecting reality / repressing memories or it's also used as a frame splitter when Sephiroth possesses a clone.
@@supertaco2896the green flashes have been sephiroth messing with his mind or him remembering bits of the past from the OG game but the OG game had tons of cut content because how long it would have been it would have been 7 disc's if they did the full story
There could be a lot of places where the airship could hover and you could descend on a rope, but I'm no developer. Definitely going to be worth the wait!
I think to satisfy the purists they will follow a similar ending to the OG; however, I think the happy ending will be that Aerith is both alive and dead just as is Zack in the Terrier World. She will wake up in the Terrier world and she and Zack will manage to help the party but ultimately they will be living on in separate worlds which will make it bittersweet. I think Aerith may be also be being used by Minerva if they include Genesis in the story in part 3. How much of the compilation they will use is the bigger mystery for me. If they do plan on including the entire compilation, part 3 will be 1/3 times bigger than Rebirth taking up almost a complete 2 Discs itself with the main story possibly taking close to 60 hours with another 60 hours in side content.
I think they will try to satisfy both parties. I think we'll have the option to go OG but will also have the option of FFX-2, in which you could bring back Tidus but needed to almost 100% the game.
Given that they killed the whole party in Zack's world, we'll have to choose either Aerith or the party.
@@slayer1156 That makes a lot of sense rather than take a stand and choose a side so that they continue to make money off the entire fan base.
Anything with Zack and Aerith is pretty much in the garbage after that Marlene scene. Aerith isn't going to take back her feelings, and Zack isn't going to play 2nd fiddle. It would be crazy weird. Also Nomura said that NPTK may have a link to part 3.
Purist won't be satisfy..they want 1:1 copy game
@@Troyadvica2472 Marlene also said it was because Zack wasn't there. Who knows what will happen in the end. They don't want to upset any fan base so it will probably be very ambiguous as far as shipping goes.
I feel the easiest way for the Highwind I’d say is just drop a rope/ladder to climb.
I’m not a huge fan of multiverse story arcs but I’m interested in seeing how it ties up. I don’t really get how Biggs knows Cloud’s journey from the main timeline even though Cloud came in with Zack. With Aerith, I’m hoping for being alive in the timeline Cloud created by deflecting Sephiroth with Cloud being a link between the two, favorite character bias that I want her to live. Or she died but Cloud’s psyche is damaged to the point they he thinks he saved her(which is par for the course) and she’s projecting herself from the livestream. I don’t feel it’s Jenova Aerith due to Red feeling her presence.
There was another popular translation that had Nomura saying that Cloud did deflect Sephiroth's attack. Seems hard for me to believe there would be multiple translations of that point though
highwing isnt a issue at all, only the small cupula need to be close to the ground, just send a ladder down or make a transition animation cutscene.
If you actually played the rebirth, you already know why Zack is brought back and dev's intention is made load and clear with Marlene. This time, in the final game, Zack will be working with Tifa to retrive Cloud's true memory or ability. In which form? I don't know. But When that happens Could will be awake before Aerith did in slum 5 and this time he will truly save her from the infinite death loop she's been stuck with. There is basically no denial that she will be brought back to life in the final game and there is so many hints on it. Two theme songs, Hollow, NPTK, the Loveless show, fellas, memory flashing, and most importantly the multi universe setting. The devs added all these new settings into the trilogy for only one goal: to fianlly save Aerith this time.
Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if the ultimate goal of this thing is to cheapen and sap all the meaning out of something from the original game.
@@ElFreakinCidthe original was supposed to be closer to what this was but they had limited abilities back then the game would have been unaffordable at 7 disc's long
Have cable rope shoot down to keep Highwind locked in place while hovering on different spots regardless if its flat or nott, then have a lowering platform for everyone to get out and get in.
My idea is based on the Highwind just floating in Junon with cables stabilizing it.
If landing on or near City/Village, a landing pad is available, and actual cable hook points are used.
Better yet. Zipline down! Then grapple hook back up.
@chancebrady2 Thought about that, but I'm not sure how "everyone" would be able to use that to include a rope ladder. So I thought of using the Highwind itself to do everything with modern technology.
I hope for part 3, besides the new weapons, I hope there will be a way to select weapon skins and include the weapon skins from Remake and Rebirth.
I dont mind a brief loading screen when entering and exiting the highwind.
Highwind does not necessarily have to land...
The party can use a captule or even ropes to leave the highwind while this can continue being on the air....
I pretty much Agree with MJ G when he said that Aerith who give to cloud the white materia in the church is the same Aerith who was saved by cloud in the chapter 14. When sephiroth said in the end "i must admit, i underestimate you!" make clear for me that Aerith made some game shark shit LOL and return to cloud the white materia with her memories back, in these worlds the time is not passing equally so it can be happen easily, because when cloud saved Aerith Sephiroth already said that the worlds are merged, but cloud one time more beat the "fate" and create a new world where Aerith can make her things for stop the meteor. For me is almost certain that Aerith died and survived in that event.
Other details is like Zack saying the "wind" that saved him was "aerith" in elmyra's house. I really think the Aerith that appears in sephiroth's fight and in midgar for the Church for say goodbye to cloud, that Aerith was the aerith saved in forgotten capital. The only question for me is how dafuq she regain the memories and fill again the white materia, but can be easily explained in part 3 by the prayer she made in forgotten capital or something.
I still think (or want to think) that Cloud did save Aerith. With all of the changing fates and alternate timelines, it’s too perfect for them to not have Aerith live in some capacity
I keep wondering: When did Zack go and meet Hojo? Is this just assumed or talked about in the game or did I miss an alternate cinematic? ❤😢😂
This is simply a Dragon Ball Z timeline Like or a Chrono Trigger Time Line Like. That's how they want it to be.. What if they have another timeline that all of them lived and that timeline was the chosen timeline. In the Ending from what Maximillian said about Jenova being Aerith form is not. From what I think, that Aerith is the real Aerith and simply Aerith does not talk about Cloud fighting Sephiroth. They both want to defeat Sephiroth and it's not making sense if Aerith don't agree that cloud must not fight Sephiroth when they both want to end it.
Far fetched theory, theres 7 worlds, its called FINAL FANTASY 7 for a reason, its someone we know possibly clouds or aeriths personal Final Fantasy and the world we focus the majoriity of the games on is world or timeline 7.
(Just spitballin' here i put no effort into this)
Bringing airships back into RPGs is the most correct move ever.
I just wish we could get a remake or a sequel of Skies of Arcadia, or even just a remaster.
Honestly, I'm hoping by the end of the third game, they make it and give you the option that allows however you played Rebirth, in the final game Cloud can be with either Aerith or Tifa. Like, them doing the multiverse stuff opens up possibilities lol, and like, if they don't do that, why make it so you can romance Aerith basically in Rebirth if maybe down the line, you can't even have Cloud get with her or Yuffie? I say Yuffie cuz basically you can do the Gold Saucer date with basically anyone lol. But like, it seems pretty obvious there's a connection between Aerith and Cloud, then Cloud and Tifa lol. And with doing the multiverse, you have the chance to do something very different lol. Like, that's a missed opportunity in my opinion if they don't at least give the player an option lol. That and personally, I really liked how Aerith and Cloud bounced off of each other in Rebirth and in Remake. So, I'm hoping they make it so you can actually save Aerith and actually have a happy ending with Aerith since in the original, I know that Cloud eventually does get one with Tifa. Like, idk if anything of what I said makes sense or not, but yea. That's my thinking and hope for the last game.
Anyone else notice that zack is in Aeriths church at the end, but the cross on the wall is gone, just like in remake world...
I've been on board with the theory that this is all in the lifestream and not in the physical world from day one. The idea that the lifestream of one planet can cause parallel timelines seems like a stretch to me. The faith of the farplain. But that doesn't kill anything for me. It still indicates that this is still happening in some sort of real time and might affect the physical plain. Assuming that theory is correct.
Remember how the Highwind has a Chocobo stable in it?
Maybe have the Highwind hoover stationary and leave and enter by Chocobo.
8:20. Theory I believe the empty materia will be “knights of the round”
i was really worried when zack was just cast away after the sephiroth fight, literally said out loud “wasted potential” because he hasn’t impacted the overarching narrative very much at all. i also expected a lot more playable segments with him and biggs. hope that changes next game.
so is the OG timeline its own seperate line too? cause even cloud saw , glipses of that one
If Zack's decision between going to Biggs/Hojo creates new timelines; does Cloud's wish to parry the attack also create new timelines?
Can't wait for the 100k subs for you! Silver play button coming your way!
My personal headcanon for part 3 atm: I really like the idea of the first half of part 3 being the team losing cloud completely, mentally, and physically, and chasing him down to try and save him. During their travels, its revealed Zack landed in Beagle Church, and through whatever story means, meets the crew and take's clouds place as they endeavor to track down Dark Knight/Black Cloak/Black Materia Cloud. During this time, we get to play as Dark cloud in an interlude or two, simply cause that'd be fukken cool as hell. Finally culminating in the team fighting Cloud and Tifa(NOT ZACK) going into his head and revealing the truth and pulling him back. Cloud then goes from Dark Knight to Paladin Hero Arc, cries a bunch, has a heroic speech with apologies, and spends the rest of the game opening a can of massive whoopass on Sephiroth's shenanigans. Clear Materia becomes CLOUDS "white materia" though Orange instead of White(Orange is the only color I can think of not already taken without getting into weird ass Crayola named shades of whatever). With the end of the original game being about 75% of the game, and the last 25% remake stuff with addressing timelines and Omni Speh/Aerith's fight via whisper proxies coming to a head in the planet. With Jenova getting blasted off the planet Team Rocket style(hojo is James and Jenova is Jessie btw) to become the main antagonist of "Final Fantasy 77 Omega ReReReReReunion: Electric Boogaloo Don't talk to me or my daughter: Jenova the 2nd ever again. GOTY Edition".
I woud just add a skydiving mechanic have the ship pick you up with long ladder common its a game it doesnt have to be super realistic or add a short range teleporter on the highwind and when you land have the highwind fly off and comeback when needed like the buggy. I mean if someone as skinny as cloud can wield the buster sword with Tifa punching monsters and mechs with her fists we'll believe anything as long as its fun
Why does the Airship even need to land? Just have Cloud slide down a rope ladder to the ground and the ship takes off or remains hovering over the map. Then when you want to board you just hit the button and another scene plays where it drops a ladder and picks you up, similar to the buggy.
I think with the Aerith thing, I *think* they are drawing comparison to Nibelhiem or adding more weight to the moment where cloud snaps. In the OG cloud loses it when Sephiroth and Tifa tell him that he was never in Nibelheim. He completely snaps. Then it turns out that he was there just not how he told it and that's the start of him pulling himself back together. Similarly Cloud believes Aerith is alive and he saved her. Sephiroth and Tifa will tell him she is dead and he'll snap. It'll turn out that he did save her just not as other remembers and not in any substantial way, She'll be gone and the grief will come out (including playing Cody's lines he already recorded where he says the famous "my eyes are burning"). The fact Cody recorded those lines and we're told we'll hear them eventually leads me to believe Aerith really is dead (or ultimately will be).
Maybe the highwind can land at the airstrips on each region.
This is definitely wishful thinking but I'm really on board of having a team up of Cloud + Zack + Sephiroth to some extent in the final part.
When the key art for Rebirth was first revealed, it struck me as a possibility to present THREE scenarios for them - if not as a teamup, then at least portray each of them individually.
Then we got the box art of Zack dragging Cloud to Midgar which further solidifies the possibility of several scenarios being at play ( even if we ignore the Remake + Intermission endings).
Added to all this are the straight up fleshed out character combat kits for both Zack and Sephiroth... not only are they the first characters we actually play as, but they got complete party member work done - from the idle animations in menus, to combat + equipment portrayal but not editing. This might've come at the expense of Vincent and Cid, but even they were given no small attention in implementation as "party members".
And the 2 vs 1 showdown in Rebirth even further suggests that the devs are willing to go pretty crazy with their direction, and given where we currently stand, I don't think it's something impossible to happen.
Aerith is both alive and dead. She's dead in the main world and alive in an alternate world, and Cloud is aware of this alternate world because of Sephiroth's influence on him (he says something about giving him a gift). Every single bit of Zack's side story basically only exists to explain the mechanics of what has happened to Aerith at the end. The reason this is evident is that otherwise, it literally has no bearing on the story and is just wasted time. The reason they specifically chose to make Cloud intervene instead of just watch this time around is the same reason they showed each outcome of Zack's various decisions and went to lengths to differentiate those outcomes: taking action and defying fate creates parallel worlds. Sephiroth also says very clearly that these parallel worlds "exist on this planet" (i.e. it's not like DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths where there's all these distinct planets), all these many dimensions are happening at the same time on the same planet, overlapping, and only people who have connections to these multiple worlds even notice this (you saw this at the end of Remake where Zack carrying Cloud walks right by Aerith. There's a reason they chose to show it this way despite them being on two seperate planes of existence).
Cloud is aware that Aerith is alive in an alternate world, and is using that fact to hide from Sephiroth and complete her plan, whatever that is. We know from Cloud and Aerith's date that Sephiroth doesn't know where Aerith is automatically: he has to search for her. To what degree Cloud's aware of the entire mechanics of the parallel earths is up in the air, as he doesn't seem to realize the parallel world sky is only visible to him. This also explains why Red can feel her presence: He has a similar connection to the planet.
It's pretty obvious that this is what they're going for, and the only thing throwing this off is people trying to factor in Cloud's personal repression of everything pre-midgar, and it's honestly pretty clear that they're playing that down heavily and making it indistinguishable from Sephiroth's influence (See: his remembering Zack and remembering inconsistencies is shown with the same effects as having future visions of Aerith dying when Cloud first meets her in Remake).
06:48 funny I had the same thought about what they're doing with the lifestream and alternate timelines. It feels vaguely Buddhist.
Holy materia became the hollow materia, able to contain memories. Maybe they will imprison Sephiroth’s memories from Cloud’s mind, making Sephiroth unable to come back for good.
I dont think thats how materia works. It contains knowledge of the planet and lifestream.
The holy matieria only became empty because the whispers removed that knowledge from Aerith.
If knowledge is imbued into the materia, it doesnt mean it is removed from someones mind. Its not some harry potter memory removing spell that Dumbledore uses.
Because of fast travel, flying the Highwind won't be your primary transport like in the original game. It'll be more of a fan service gimmick you only actually use for a few things, like the Tiny Bronco. In any case, the next game won't be out for at least 3-4 years, I'm wondering if there's going to be an expansion for Rebirth like Intergrade, maybe late next year or early 2026.
Maybe the translucent materia will play a big role in gameplay, adding the ability to craft your own materia.
Missing at least 1 timeline. Before Zack chooses to save Biggs or go to Hojo on the motorcycle, in the tunnel you see a Border collie dog on the wall.
I want to theorize about Sephiroths explanation of the "truth of reality", it's somewhat an unfinished thought but I believe he was basically saying that everything born to cloud and crews planet, her children as he put it are tied to it, when they perish they return to her, then he explains how a fate is tied to these things, but the powerful emotions of (Gaia?)s' children can create a new world, where their choice broke past fate. I'm thinking he's saying all these choices are connected to obviously the same life stream, that's why in the fight against Jenova red mentions it feels like someone's helping out, cuz Zack, Cloud, and the gang are all defending the same life stream. So this "Multiverse" is only on their planet, for the beings on their planet. So you could think of all their interaction as like what happens when someone gets spirited away to silent Hill. Two different people standing in the same spot of parallel universes being able to hear and even smell each other but not fully connect, at least normally. What y'all think?
My approach for the end battle is that it happens in Clouds mind. Much as it did at the end of the OG game. Theres a split personality in Clouds mind, the real cloud and the persona that tooks Zack personality. And theres the S cells. So he fights the Cells intentions over his and Zacks Persona Helps him. Then Sephiroth clears Clouds mind of the Persona and the real Cloud is Fighting. Later Aerith joins him. Much like Tifa helped Cloud in the Lifestream, I think Aerith is helping Cloud here. And after the battle, Zacks/Scells persona gets back to reality and the real Cloud still sees Aerith. Theres are even events on the OG that the real Cloud speaks with the persona.I dont realy care if Aerith still dies, makes total sense if she does, but she will still have a presense this way, that she didnt have in the OG. I belive that the empty materia will only fills when the real cloud returns and Aerith will help him along the way. This is my understanding on the rebirth ending.
These snippets of Ultimania info are only further implying what I suspected after watching the ending, that it's a little bit of everything people are theorizing. It's clear that the Aerith we see Cloud talking to during the ending cinematic is mostly a reflection of his memory of her as all of her lines are repeats from her time with him up until that point. That said, it's not at all that cut-&-dry, as Cloud is also seeing the multiverse rift as well as well as now has a secondary Black Materia in his possession, which aren't hallucinations. I belief this is to show that Cloud is now existing in the multiverse the same way Sephiroth and Aerith are. He's primarily in the Beagle world with the rest of the party and Part 3 will continue to mainly playout there like the past two games, but Cloud consciously is no-longer exclusive to it and it's going to play into how he goes about the world from hereon-out.
Like, for an example, I'm willing to bet that next time the party sees an image of Stamp somewhere, they'll all see the usual beagle, but Cloud will see a different breed, or when they final return to Midgar, everyone will see the flowers all vibrant, but Cloud will likely see them all withered.
Have 7 Multiverse and each one have a Sword that Cloud needs to put together his AC Fushion Sword.
OMG if the Fusion Sword is acquirable in Part 3...I...will...freak out! I mean obviously the Ultima Weapon is going to be our end game choice (besides a 4K HD rendition of that void battle where Cloud hits the Omnislash Lvl 5 on Sephiroth is something we've been envisioning for over 20 years), but being able to use the Fusion Sword, complete with brand new gameplay mechanics would be absolutely epic. We've already seen Cloud dual wielding two of those swords in Advent Children while driving Fenrir...OMG THEY BETTER BRING FENRIR BACK!! Don't get me wrong, I love travelling by chocobo, but that bike is a classic.
No, they need to keep things like that separate. It's one thing to create a multiverse, but to start putting the movie bits into it wouldn't ever fit right.
@@jayr7613 would be cool if we get a prototype version of it with the Black Materia Buster sword, Dual Wield.
One for each Knight (knights of the round) with a quest in each to locate each Knight for the final summon.
@@Harren20 a new version of the weapon could be ok. As long as we haven't seen UT yet. They have a few weapons already we haven't seen. So that would work. Just nothing from movies and other stories.
Based on the Ultimania, the Dog Stars have different numbers, possibly related to their world. Here's my theory:
* FF7 OG
** Zack's World (Church scene)
*** C.A. Dream World
**** Zack's World
***** FF7R World
****** Zack's World (Biggs dies)
******* Final Merged World?
7 is a sacred numbers :
* 7 seconds
* 7 Sectors
* 7 companions left
* 7th Heaven
* 7 Worlds
* Aerith's Birthday (February 7)
Rebirth set the bar so high for Part 3.
So, I guess what they should do in Part 3 is maybe,
Have two main parties:
Cloud's party & Zack's party as mirrors:
1. Zack - sword
2. Dyne - big gun
3. Zangan / Elena as retired Turk - fist
4. Zack & Aerith
5. Seto - fang and claw
6. Sonnon - spear
7. Cissnei - shuriken
8. Another Cait Sith but using a stamp mascot
9. Biggs - gun (maybe Death Biggs gets experimented on by Hojo)
The concept is a mirror world just like Chrono Cross.
Cloud and his party. Zack has an adventure with his party starting from the grassland, but the world is different because there is no Mako anymore.
Aerith awoke in Zack's world. Cloud sacrificed his life to save Zack in Zack's world.
The last fight is Cloud's party and Zack's party meeting and fighting Sephiroth together.
Ending with the world separate :
Cloud live in his world
Zack and team live in their world
Because Sephiroth died for good, there will be no Advent Children event.
So the last scene is Aerith and Zack parting with Cloud, just like in Advent Children, while "Cloud Smiles" plays in the background.
For the gameplay:
1. Two main party members
2. Explore the world by bike, which can be modified
3. Sky exploration and submarine exploration
4. Blacksmithing for creating the ultimate weapon; we have to hunt for materials
5. The last Limit Break has to be played for each party's special side quest or given by their mirrored party
6. Three-person synergy attack
7. Fight summons outside VR
8. Lots of costumes to change with special stats
9. New "King's Blood"
10. Day and night cycle
11. Jump, climb, roll
@thenightskyprince going deep on this theory….
I personally think, that the Aerith we see both at the end of the game and alive in Cloud’s point of view along with the dream world Aerith, is an Aerith from another timeline where she has succumb to Sephiroth, and is totally playing Cloud. But ONLY after she gives him the white materia. She knew this after handing it over and Sephiroth comes walking in behind her. Here’s my reasons:
1. Aerith says to Sephiroth earlier in the game that “theirs no such thing as forever” and “it’s not a homecoming, it’s not that simple” or something like that. In the Dream world, she says to “think of this place as a homecoming”. Weird.
2. Up until the end, she stresses to Cloud to just take care of himself and she’ll handle Sephiroth. At the end of the game, her priorities switch in saying she’ll take care of Meteor and makes cloud promise he’ll fight Sephiroth. Almost as if she is playing mind games, the real Aerith wants cloud not to fight Sephiroth but to find his true self, because THAT is the only way to defeat him.
3. After Sephiroth flicks Aerith blood back at Cloud, is when Aerith seems alive in Clouds mind. Found that odd as well
The only thing I could think of that would debunk this, is if the devs are expanding from the OG FF7 on the aspect that “Aeriths memories live in all of us” from revisit of the temple of the ancients in disc 2. Cloud says something like this and then also at the end of the game right before fighting Sephiroth. Not to mention that after beating Sephiroth he sees Aeriths hand but it’s really Tifas pulling him up as the high wind crashes in the northern crater for a rescue
Note that, I believe the Aerith that comes into the final battle is NOT the Aerith that I think is bad - I believe this is “Omni-Aerith”.
I know I’m bouncing all around but hopefully it all makes sense. Cannot wait for Part 3! My bet is it’s called “Return”. I have a whole theory behind that one too! 😊
Ever since we've gotten the junon region map from the initial demo last summer, I've been wondering how on earth they're going to handle the Highwind for the scale of the map they're going with... The map is waayyyy too small for the use of the Highwind to feel in any way impactful. It will amount to nothing more than an overglorified fast travel system if they don't increase the size of the playable map by a few whole numbers. Since we can already assume the Tiny Bronco will be used to some extent, but that can already traverse 6km of ocean in only just a couple minutes if that, while acting as a boat, conceivably the TB will be faster by air. The highwind is described in game as the largest most advanced airship in the fleet. MUCH faster than the Tiny Bronco, a single cabin transport.
Good Highwind traversal would be able to get to anywhere from anywhere else in Rebirths map in no more than a minute. At that point you might as well have just fast travelled.
Either they abstract away returning to Midgar as a completely separate map to explore that needs a dedicated loading screen with the Highwind traversal being scrapped and relegated to fast travel mechanic, OR part 3's playable map is going to be several times bigger than it is now. Midgar is canonically in game 6 km wide, but in Rebirth, it's only 1.8 km wide.
Their comments confirm this exact dilemma they find themselves facing.
Great video, thank you.
I Saw Maximilian Dood, He had Crazy ideas Would Check them all out his Theories where Great I was like he might be on to something. Taking everything From FF7, FF7ACC, FF7CC, OG FF7, FF7DOC Remake and Rebirth and Put it together as one Big Puzzle the 30-year Cook. Sephoirth was to Be a inanity God Let's Just Call them inanity Sephoirth and Omni Aerith is this Really them.
Reading my copy right now. Good to see SAD getting their props.
Well, the Lifestream, being effectively a 'physical' collective unconscious should, in theory, be powerful enough to connect to other worlds through their respective lifestreams in a sort of of 'greater collective unconscious' of the 'World' that cimprises any and all shared timelines/branch worlds.
It helps if you have some idea of what 'Many Worlds Interpretation' of the multiverse is.
Basically, for every choice/possibility that 'wasn't made', a whole new world splits off from it into its own divergent timeline/reality.
Normally, they'd be mutually exclusive and thus unable to interact with each other, but that's where the lifestream being a physical collective unconscious bit I mentioned earlier comes in.
I suppose you could say that the power of the mind, times a whole llanet, can act as a sort of 'observer' to their reality who are... also aware of other worlds by virtue of being essentially higher up the ladder from us mere mortals and our limited awareness.
Plus Hamaguchi confirms that knights of the round materia will return in part 3.
The transluscent materia should be filled with the memories or the Cetra and or Weapons and become
Knights of the Round! Used in the final Jenova Complete fight to permanently destroy her and finish what the Cetra couldnt!
I really think this translucide materia is there to be filled with a new power just as the black materia was filled with the prayers of the Gi. It’s hope for the team to reclaim a bigger power to overcome Sephiroth’s plans
Your take on Zack it's where Im at. Im glad for the fanservice, but I need more than that for it to be a good thing for my BEST BOY. I'm #TeamFair and they have to make Zack count. they HAVE to.