Yeah, he sounds really terrible whether it was on purpose or not, which it probably wasn't, but he just sounds all miserable and mumbly like he didn't mean what he was saying, but only said so because he was afraid he'd get into a fight if he objected. He just sounds so sad and disappointed.
Gf:Baby it's cold outside Bf: I can order you an uber Gf: baby it's bad out there Bf: Don't worry my best friend is an uber driver I'm just gonna ask her to drive you home.
That's pretty much what those two Feminists did. She keeps telling him she needs to leave, and he keeps telling to go ahead and leave. No matter how much she tries to bait him into asking her to stay, he keeps telling her to go ahead and leave.
This revision just seems like an inside joke between two people that, like all inside jokes, isn’t that funny to the outside. I doubt they expected it to blow up, but it’s free advertisement for some starving artists.
@Alannah MC Yeah, it used to be so fun. One day, one of my bestfriend got cock blocked, so me and my other best friend started made an album about how his crush left him, one would lay out a beat, and the other would freestyle. There was rock, rap, jazz everything .Then, we pretended to go on the radio acting as if our album sold out. That was so much fun. I really miss school for the crazy stuff we used to fo.
This song was written in 1949!!! Not today! So there are no "free advertisements for starving artists"!!! John Legend rewrote it and ruined it totally!!!
@@charlottemiller5235 no it was written in 1944 with his wife specifically to end their house warming party at a hotel, which they sung at lots of other parties as it went over really well over the following years. He sold it to MGM in 1949 which put it in the romantic comedy Neptunes daughter. For me it was flirting with the idea that people need to leave, but its cold, maybe stay for 1 drink more but as it was sung by him and his wife it was cleverly done so could also be flirty between each other. Can google it and find out but of course its all about raping his wife and everyone at the party.... obviously!!! just the pathetic people of today. Funny thing is half way through it flips and a woman is doing it to a man, yet no one plays that part
they should've gone the whole mile and written a full album of songs, such as: - I''m dreaming of a reasonably snowy late december holiday - the many interpretations of saint nicholas are coming to our abode - oh come all ye faithful or not believe what you want man - rudolph the red nosed body positivity reindeer - last late december holiday - all I want for late december holiday is your consenting company - bells 2.0; you can (not) jingle - Justin Beiber Ft. Busta Rhymes 'Drummer Boy' Cover I'd buy the album, just saying.
If I told my boyfriend I was going home and he was just like, “bye.” I’d be genuinely disappointed I don’t need him putting anything in my drink or something like that, but I’d like a “Stay 5 more minutes” or “Please don’t go” Let’s just be honest here. We’re all vain and would love for someone to beg for our very presence.
The thing in her drink was alcohol, not a drug. But i get what you mean the revised song seemed like they were just friends, not romantic just friendly.
...how about you just saying what you freaking want instead of doing some weird game that requires others to have precognition. The original song is weird, the intent was playful, but someone explaining they need to leave over 20 times is a good indication you should let them go.
My interpretation of the original "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is that the girl is teasing the guy the whole time. She sounds playful the whole time, in every cover I've heard. The woman has agency! If she didn't want to stay, she wouldn't have taken those chances to stay inside. Even in the original video, she's smiling at the guy and doesn't seem bothered at all by his attempts to get her to stay. And what's interesting about the movie where the song originated is that they reversed the roles the second time- the man trying to go home but the woman is trying to get him to stay out of concern. It's a shame there aren't more covers from that perspective. Maybe then the song will start to lose its "creepiness".
This is actually correct. The song was written in the 1940s, and would have been understood this way by the audience of the time. "What's in this drink?" is an old trope suggesting a woman is unusually bold and set to do something rather un-"lady-like". She's going to do something that the mention of which would supposedly make her mother blush. In the eyes of the contemporary audience, she's not trying to make an excuse to go, she's looking for an excuse to stay.
Exactly! She's being coy! Which yeah, women can be coy and not say what they actually mean to say, especially back then. He's not trying to force her to stay, he's just trying to convince her.
I like that. I like that a lot. I always took the woman as obviously wanting to stay with the man, but she feels she should stick to all the pomp and circumstance she's used to. "My family can't know I'm getting involved with a guy! But...I love him and DO want to stay!" She's torn between her two lives essentially.
I heard that the lyrics represent the fact that - in the 1940s - a courting couple weren't supposed to be getting up to anything physical before marriage. The lyrics denote the woman's awareness of romantic social taboos, and she worries about all the reasons she *ought* to leave, despite secretly wanting to stay with him. The man knows this, and is trying to persuade her to relax, forget about all that, and just enjoy the evening (in ways which are sincerely suave and gentle). In the end, both the man and the woman come up with the excuse that "it's cold outside", meaning that the woman has a legitimate reason to not go home. Thus freed from social obligations regarding the avoidance of pre-marital intimacy, the happy couple can settle down to a cosy romantic evening in peace. Edit - here are a few of the woman's lines suggesting that, deep down, she wants to stay rather than leave: - "This evening has been so very nice." - "Maybe just a half a drink more." - "I wish i knew how to break this spell." - "I ought to say no, no, no, sir.... At least i'm gonna say that i tried." - The entire fact that she takes several minutes coyly proclaiming the intention of leaving, whilst never actually making a move to leave. One can only morally object to the song if one assumes that the woman is being held against her will. If one accepts that the woman actually wants to stay, all objection becomes moot, and the song is actually just adorable.
Grymbaldknight Thanks your thought I see it every differently. There is no part in the song where the women says she wants to stay due to her own feelinfs. She keeps saying no and only says "okay I'll stay" after loads of pushing from the make side which for many of women who deal with men who dont take no for answer is very annoying to anxiety provoking depending on the person. She never once says or thinks "oh I really want stay with you longer but I mustn't due to xyz".
Mimi Locke No, she keeps saying things that other people will think if she stays. She doesn't say that she doesn't want to stay. There's a difference between saying "I don't want to" and "What will people think?"
Of course she doesn't say it. Do women ever directly speak their minds? Well, maybe sometimes, but they speak far less directly than men do. If the woman was adamant about leaving, she should've been speaking in definites, with absolutely no coyness or praise whatsoever: - "I need to go." - "You need to take me home." - "I can't stay any longer, i'm sorry." - "I want to go home." - "Let me go." Instead, she speaks in terms of "I've *got* to leave", not "I *want* to leave". It refers to the social expectations placed upon her, and how she's aware that she'll be judged if she doesn't leave. This theme is repeated throughout the song: - "Father will be pacing the floor." - "The neighbours might think." - "I ought to say no." - "There's bound to be talk tomorrow." Her reservations about staying are founded in the fact that her reputation as an "honest woman" is dependent on whether she maintains the illusion of chastity before marriage. She's afraid of having her reputation dirtied, but at the same time she wants to stay (hence why she agrees to another drink, and continues to make conversation). The man is simply trying to tell her that she doesn't need to worry about it, whilst flattering and flirting with her to boost her confidence and her desire to stay. Don't misunderstand me, i think the man's style of flirting is very heavy-handed and presumptuous, and it's certainly not for everyone. In that sense, the song is - again - a product of its time. However, that's not to be taken as an indication that he's keeping her there against her will. He's being persuasive, sure, but he's not physically stopping her from leaving. If she insisted (which she doesn't), i'm certain he'd relent and let her leave.
It remains true, though, that a person can say "no" and mean "yes" - especially where intimacy is concerned. In such cases, one must be gentle, observant, and watch for social cues which indicate actual intentions and wishes. There's nothing to suggest that the man in the song isn't being very gentle with the woman. He's being dismissive of her objections, but that doesn't mean he's not also keeping an eye on her to make sure she's feeling okay around him. He's being persuasive, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't back down if she actually became distressed. The man is flirting with her. He's being masculine, and he's taking control of the situation. He's expressing dominance, but in a way which is intended to arouse and reassure. He's not hurting her, making her uncomfortable, or keeping her from leaving. He's just being romantic. It's quite likely that he sincerely cares about her, but the culture of the time means that he expresses his romantic feelings in these very overtly masculine ways. Equally, she's being very feminine, and she's letting him gradually persuade her because it's her way of flirting back. She's being coy. She wants compliments. She likes being flattered. She relaxes when he takes control of the situation, because she knows him and she knows that he won't hurt her. It's okay. The song is just about two lovebirds playing hard to get, and finding excuses to spend time with each other. It's very unlikely that the song was written with the intention of conveying rape or emotional manipulation.
This video is a prime example of why you're probably the only channel that tackles socio-political stuff that I particularly trust. I always take more than one grain of salt with other channels, but this channel is humble, careful, and honest.
While I might just be feeding the trends that Counter Arguments predicted, I'm hoping that this anti-PC argument will be decent and insightful: The male character in the original "Baby, It's Cold Outside," even assuming that he and his partner are talking out loud, is not even close to a rapist. At worst, he's overly persistent based on how long he keeps trying to get her to stay. That's not even inherently sexist, much less akin to date rape. Also, while he comes closer to giving commands than asking questions, he doesn't really force her to do anything. He tries to strongly persuade her with words, which she can always choose to ignore. Despite having that ability, she still gives in. Two major conclusions can be drawn from this: 1. The female character must have had some desire to stay since her boyfriend's persuasions (and no apparent force) were enough for her to ignore her previous misgivings. 2. The male character probably wasn't wrong to keep persuading her since it worked in the end. Unless it was through dumb luck, he must have known that there was a decent chance that he could convince her. Any feminists who know all of this and still draw the conclusion that the song is about rape are ignoring the agency of the woman in the situation completely. She consented, and if she regretted it later, then it was her problem for not standing up for herself. I believe that one of the best ways to empower anyone is to trust that they know what's best for themselves and let them take responsibility for any failure on their part. Thus, anyone who pins the blame on the man does not truly want to empower people in the same situation as his partner.
You are pretty much on the head with this. Basically, they were both having a good time and neither one wanted to call it a night. If you really listen to most of the lyrics, the girl is more concerned about what OTHER PEOPLE would think if she stayed the night with a man she wasn't married to (think of the time period this was written in). The man is simply offering her excuses she could use if anyone wanted to question her... purity. She eventually accepts his excuses and decides to stay.
MeowTheRainbowX I don’t know man. I’d agree with you if it wasn’t for the “what’s in this drink” line (followed by no answer). I don’t know if it was meant to be taken that way, but it’s still disturbing.
Awesome Atheist Caramel It definitely isn't. She's asking if it's alcoholic, not if it's roofied. If you ask me, her bringing up the drink is an indication she actually wants to stay but is having trouble admitting it to herself. Why bring up the topic of her drink if what she actually wants to discuss is the topic of leaving? I think she's trying to imply that she's feeling a little tipsy from the alcohol in the drink she basically asked for just a couple of lines previously, and that might be a reason for her to stay.
Awesome Atheist Caramel: It's actually a joke from back in the day, asking (rhetorically) if alcohol is in the drink, not a pill or anything of the sort. The implication is that she is making an excuse as to why she may be losing her inhibition, but the suggestion is that nothing is actually in the drink, she's just coyly excusing herself of the "responsibility" to remain ladylike that was expected in that era. The whole song is her making excuses as to why she simply MUST leave, but never wanting to actually go. It's a form of flirting that develops when your society is embroiled in extreme sexual repression for one or both sexes, when it's expected to coyly say no and let yourself be convinced before you say yes..
your point is sound if not for one lyric... "...say what's in this drink?" that lyric alone gives the hint of date rape drugs, roofies, whatever, and the rest is suggested from that. It's a subtle link, and stretched, but it isn't completely unfound. I think it could be interpreted many ways, and I certainly don't have much of an issue with the song. The revision is a little silly, but I get what they were doing, and I am absolutely for positive re enforcement for healthy relationships where people are free to go as they please, because many people DO become stuck in unhealthy forced situations (men and women both)
Demonstrating the love between two people. "I really can't stay" "You don't have to" Because whenever you like someone you just love the idea of them leaving.
And still nobody took it away. Like 1 radio station in Canada stopped playing it and it caused a worldwide furore. Meanwhile, its still there on Spotify and every Christmas CD.
I'm about as liberal as it gets. Consider this. When baby it's cold outside was written, it was socially unacceptable for women to be enthusiastic about sex, even within marriage. God forbid she actually want to spend the night with a, *gasp*, boyfriend. The song was written when women had absolutely zero sexual agency when it was all but impossible to give consent because society expected women to reject advances in any circumstance which made genuine rejection impossible to distinguish from faux rejection. The woman is oscillating between what is societally expected of her and what she just genuinely wants to do. The man is making his desires fairly clear, but in the form of excuses, she can use to overcome those societal expectations. He never makes a power play or demands that she stay. He just says 'yeah, but it is pretty cold out there so...' At the end of the day, she could just be like "I'll manage," and walk out the door.
All of this stuff persists. Many women consider that they shouldn't rush in too fast into sex, or that they shouldn't go back with a man she's broken up with, because of how she imagines it would make her appear, rather than what she actually wants. Women are, on average, extremely social creatures and they place high value on the opinions of friends and family. Situations exactly like this persist to this day. I've had partners describe to me how they were balancing in their minds "how many dates should it be before going back to his place", or "I am not sure if I should" - when all the signals were there at the time for me - yes, she wants to. Women play to social/biological role of "choosey", men play the social/biological of "suitor". Women often surf this kind of ambivilance until they cross a threshold, and it's the mans role to charm her there. Women caught up in their emotions, often don't know exactly how they will fall in advance (at least at a younger age), but men have to learn how to read between the lines - the body language, the emotional warmth etc. Of course it doesn't always work like that, sometimes the guy as oblivious (as I was once), and the woman pursues him. But were this general trend, not the case, women and men would court like gay men on tinder - men do not generally have these reservations to be overcome, and that's why you get things like strangers having sex in public bathrooms. So I'd say, everything that was true of the original song, is still true it's just the standards have changed from "don't sleep with anyone before marriage" to "don't sleep with men too easily" And all of this subtley and complexity is why the feminist understanding of consent, is bollox. Clear, loud, matter of fact, plain no's are no's. Absolutely. If the emphasis rises with the insistence - that's a fucking no there buddy. There are other "weaker" no's that aren't outright no's but more of an invitation for a sales pitch. The smaller objections that start soft, and fade gently with charm or persuasion. There is no clear consent in many social situations, but anyone with social intelligence who is there, knows exactly what is going on. If nothing else, if you can't read the signs, you can read the tone of what someone says. If you want someone with less social intelligence to hear a refusal, say it more emphatically until they do.
This has honestly been one of my favorite episodes so far, at first I didn't get what the deal was and even liked the new son. But man oh man, the discourse between the two perspectives was SO funny to me, like, they unwittingly released the floodgates, they had the chance to imprint the song with meaning but they weren't brave enough, in my opinion. Brilliant video, thank you!
That 'revised version' is just pathetic. There's no romance, passion, it makes almost no sense, it's born from what- at least what I see as- a total misinterpretation, & it's just sad (if a guy won't even *attempt* to keep her there, does he even care about her?).
Yes he still cares about her. It's a misinterpretation as you said. He's thinking "I want her to stay but I don't want to force or guilt her into staying." While the girl wants him to convince her not to go. He won't say he wants her to stay; she won't say she wants to stay. Both of them should have realized the conversation was awkward and just told each other how they really felt. It's funny because people, we, do that all the time. Instead of just saying what we mean and what we want, we expect other people to some how just know from body language, double speak, etc.Then we fall into misunderstandings
It's clearly not supposed to be romantic, it's supposed to be a joke. They said that themselves IN THIS VIDEO, nobody would ever actually talk that way.
I understand the criticism of the original, and while I disagree with it, I can understand the desire to rewrite it. The revision was bad. It just not a good song. The lyrics are really dumb.
I like the song, dunno why people hate it. I always just thought about it as a guy wanting to chill in the house rather than having his girl literally chill outside.
"No guy tells a girl that's on the couch with him that he's "cool" with her going home early." - except the guys that want to be accused of rape the next day. This song to me seemed like the girl was trying to manipulate the guy, but he just played dumb with her. She just wouldn't consent that she wants to stay, 'cuz if she did, all these pointless excuses wouldn't have been made. The new song is more creepy than the original song's worst interpretation. Quoting someone from the music video: "passive aggressiveness and princess mentality are creepy, someone trying to fuck you isn't."
Hahaha, are you kidding me? The original song is a woman trying to get convinced to stay. You've turned this song into one where the female is obviously interested and hoping for compliments and an invitation to stay... but the man is kicking her the hell out.
I disagree with your assertion that the couple became a pawn in a chess game between progressives and conservatives. I don't think the overall intelligence of either side is smart enough to play chess. /s
I'm partial to the conservatives, but it's just as easy to mindlessly parrot their talking points as the progressives'. There are stupid people in every movement, which is why the ideas are more important than the people.
revisionism is more about rewriting the past. in this case re writing a song to make it "fit with the times" and I don't like the original song either. I'm with John Lennon I don't like an over abundance of silly love songs.
yeah it is. they are saying the past was patriarchal and rapey so they have to fix it with a new song. The revisionism is that the past wasn't rapey they just talked and thought differently.
This is off topic from the video, but are you going to make a video about if healthcare is a right, or something around there? I’d love to hear logical arguments by you for this topic.
That rabbit hole can get pretty deep since it envolves questions such as: What is a right? Should negative rights take precedence over positive ones? What is the purpose of government? Should the government do what can be done privately? Can rights be limited by economic feasibility? It should make for an interesting video.
rwatertree The government's job is to make you nobody who don't want to gets to tell you what to do. The problem is that the government became the thing we don't want to tell us what to do.
Yup I think you're right. There's also a lot of culture behind it. For example: In Germany we have universal health care since the 1880s. In the US it has never been in place. The reasons for those differences are very much cultural ones: In Germany it was always very normal to see society as a big community, being active in every aspect from your Union to your Soccerclub was the norm. (For Example: Big Clubs like Bayern Munich are still owned by the 100.000 members of the club, not one singler owner like NFL-Teams). In the United States everything is much more about individuality and pursuing your very personal hopes and dreams.
"Well, I should go..." "Okay, get out." "I can't stay anymore..." "I'm not stopping you." "I really need to get home..." "Just leave already, the door's unlocked and I don't wanna get sued for rape." This is the vibe I get from this "revamped" version.
That's a hasty generalization of an entire half of the population. "Flirtatious coercion" would be frowned upon by many many women, especially if it isn't mutual.
Feminists, the opposition to this song, see them as the same. They have succeeded in having people embrace the mutually opposed concepts that women are just as strong and powerful and capable as any man if not more so and women are delicate flowers needing full protection so even giving consent women are not responsible for their actions and it is always man's fault.
@@krombopulos_michael Some women like to be "chased", and they would be called heterosexuals. Then only by some men, and those would be men they find attractive. A small number of other women,, they would be called homosexuals, feminists, man-haters, don't want to be "chased" as well as heterosexuals don't want to be chased by men they aren't finding attractive.
“When to emotions get too strong for speech, sing; when they get too strong for song, dance” rules of musicals. Seen everywhere from Broadway shows to Disney renaissance. Just thought I’d add this as it explains why characters suddenly break out into song- emotions.
Even as a small child I understood that the woman in Baby It's Cold Outside REALLY wanted to stay. She's protesting out of a duty to propriety and he responds over and over that it is perfectly reasonable for her to stay because it can't be all that scandalous when it's so cold outside.
The reason it is funny to me is that it fits within the current PC narrative, neutering the joy of the original song. This version is terrible and there is no back and forth conflict. It is them trying to appeal to modern sensibilities and expected to be patted on the back for changing art, which is a product of its time.
I've been revisiting this video a few times every couple of months, and this still has to be one of the best videos I have ever seen. What a rollercoaster this video is, how the music is done perfectly to raise tension, what is being said and how it's interpreted, more, more, and so much more. This video is a brilliant piece of art and Counter Arguments has made something I have not forgotten in years; and will continue to never be able to forget.
For some reason I have never thought of musicals numbers as mostly thoughts. I am an amateur actor and have been in 5 musicals. IT ALL MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE NOW. And now it's really fun looking back at the lyrics and analyzing the scenes as just the characters putting they're little conversations and thoughts into a pretty song.
I think it can seem a bit rapey if you go in thinking that, but I don't think that was the idea. I interpret it as being more about how she's hesitant to stay because of people gossiping; I don't remember the exact lines, but she seems to reference the fact that there'll be an implication, which is what she's worried about. And hey, maybe I'm just trying to justify it because I really like the song. That's possible too. But I don't think anyone but the songwriter himself could say what it's actually about so it's kinda pointless to argue about.
I have to call bullshit on them doing it just for a joke. He clearly stated the first one was TERRIBLE and the should update it, NOT let's write a parody. His statement on Current, doesn't match their pack peddling on Tucker Carlson.
Did you watch the same video I did? They were clearly expressing shock at the wide reception of their song and plainly stating that it *WASN'T* planned.
You: "I like how they pretend is was planned" Me: "They said it *wasn't* planned" You: "Yeah that's what I said" Me, right now: No. No it's not. Stop lying.
That “cover” was hilarious!!! Whenever I have to leave or my girlfriend has to go home there is always some cute teasing about “noooo don’t go home” since we love each other and would ideally want to stay! I’ve been in the “girl” position before. I’ve said “I have to go” and she’s said “cmon reallllly”? She isn’t TRYING to stop me, it’s a show of how she loves me.
This whole channel is an absolute gem. I have not yet found a video on it that I have not enjoyed thoroughly. If more people had the attitude of evaluating ideas on their own instead of eating up ideological chaff from one side or the other, we would all be better off. Thanks, and I hope this channel takes off for you!
"Say something that can't be dismissed". That's a level of naivety I wouldn't have expected from this channel. There is literally no statement, even one involving indisputable research and facts, that cannot be dismissed by an entire philosophy or movement of people (of any side of politics/religion/economics/etc.)
Yeah, remember all those songs, duets especially, which are about thoughts and not the words? The Jedi mind trick that the lyrics don't exist in the real world is almost as laughable as the ham-fisted rewrite of the song. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Leave the date rape connotations & your ludicrous alternate reality idea aside & just enjoy the fucking music. Please? Here's the thing. Stop trying to re-interpret actions & art from the past through a modern filter or lens. The song was released in 1944. Chances are our sensibilities about at least an issue or two have changed in over 70 fucking years. The song was written with two parts, the male called "Wolf" & the female called "Mouse". It is a typical call & response song and is very much about a man trying to get in a woman's pants (or skirt, in 1944) and a woman offering token resistance as would be expected for the sake of propriety & social norms while rationalizing the desire to stay in the home of her male friend for the evening. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby,_It%27s_Cold_Outside
This video made me realise a flaw in my reasoning for my feelings about the lyrics of this song. My opinion used to be that it was a little creepy because of how the man is pushing for the woman to stay even though she's saying she needs to go, but I was okay with it because when it was made that level of pushiness by men to women was much more the standard. What I forgot to take into account was that the expectation would also have been different, so it would have been much more likely for the woman to play reluctant while the man pushes forward. I still don't think that it has a good modern message, but I find it rather less creepy. Though I don't like the re-written lyrics any better, they seem to be having 2 conversations at once masquerading as 1.
Whoa I lean more to the left, and I thought the "revised" version was the most BETA male piece of "art".. This is Feminism not Liberal/Progressive shit
Sorry I tend to love your videos but counter arguments tend to offer a different perspective, this is just a flimsy excuse for the original and a lampooning of a piece of work that was under produced. A more timely look might include... My issue with the the original is if some people see it as sexual assault and others see it as "playing hard to get". Then when situations like it occurs in the real world one person will think they are being witty/romantic whilst the other is being sexually assaulted/raped. No wonder victims have such a hard time coming forward, if they're assaulters or rapists don't think they were in the wrong. The remake was on the right tracks because it looks like this girl is playing hard to get and the guy just doesn't go for it in case she's being sincere, if everyone did the same people would just start being more clear if they are interested in people and people would end up in sexual situations they aren't interested in less. Maybe make a vid on the possible dangers of playing hard to get/assuming people you like are doing it
I love your videos! You always make such fantastic points! On a side note: What got me laughing was the way you sang "Baby you've got two eyes." It was amazing.
According to Wikipedia, during the 1940s, whenever Hollywood celebrities with vocal talents attended parties, they were expected to perform songs. In 1944, Loesser wrote "Baby, It's Cold Outside" to sing with his wife, Lynn Garland, at their housewarming party in New York City at the Navarro Hotel. They sang the song to indicate to guests that it was time to leave. Things were much different in the 40s. "Nice" women did not always drink alcohol, so naturally she might ask what was in the drink. It's simply ridiculous to think that anyone would write a song about drugging a woman to perform at a party and later record in a hit movie in the 40s.
My interpretation personally was that she had to walk home and he genuinely didn't want her to go outside and freeze. he cared about her and didnt want her to walk in the snow and cold. She didnt want to leave either she loved him but her parents would worry if she stayed over.
With how you normally title your videos, I thought you were going to argue that it isn't cold outside.
Well if I said Santa was orbiting the sun...? Give me some evidence that there are homeless people freezing to death.
That video already exists.
WHAT THE FUCK YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE ITS COLD OUTSIDE!?!?!?!
YOU IDIOTS
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The guy sounds like he had a terrible time and just wants to get rid of her so he can do something enjoyable.
“Get the fuck out of my house I want to play Minecraft”
.....like a box of tissues and some lotion.
It sounds like a horrible one night stand.
Yeah, he sounds really terrible whether it was on purpose or not, which it probably wasn't, but he just sounds all miserable and mumbly like he didn't mean what he was saying, but only said so because he was afraid he'd get into a fight if he objected.
He just sounds so sad and disappointed.
When you're trying to get her to leave so you can play video games in peace.
Gf:Baby it's cold outside
Bf: I can order you an uber
Gf: baby it's bad out there
Bf: Don't worry my best friend is an uber driver I'm just gonna ask her to drive you home.
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@@formerunsecretarygeneralba9536 Her: shall I use the front or back door
Him: whichever one is closer, just go.
"Baby it's cold outside"
"Would you like a map to the door?"
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Actual "girl wants to stay but the guy is oblivious" rewrite would be neat.
Or even "guy passively agressively tries to make her go away".
failing@commenting The second one has the potential to be funny as hell
"I really can't stay, OH baby it's cold outside"
"Go the fuck away Sandra it's not that cold"
SNL did that I believe
It would make for a great parody
That's pretty much what those two Feminists did. She keeps telling him she needs to leave, and he keeps telling to go ahead and leave. No matter how much she tries to bait him into asking her to stay, he keeps telling her to go ahead and leave.
This revision just seems like an inside joke between two people that, like all inside jokes, isn’t that funny to the outside. I doubt they expected it to blow up, but it’s free advertisement for some starving artists.
@Alannah MC Bruh I have an albums worth of rap and country songs we made in class for kicks.
@Alannah MC Yeah, it used to be so fun. One day, one of my bestfriend got cock blocked, so me and my other best friend started made an album about how his crush left him, one would lay out a beat, and the other would freestyle. There was rock, rap, jazz everything .Then, we pretended to go on the radio acting as if our album sold out. That was so much fun. I really miss school for the crazy stuff we used to fo.
This song was written in 1949!!! Not today! So there are no "free advertisements for starving artists"!!! John Legend rewrote it and ruined it totally!!!
@@charlottemiller5235 no it was written in 1944 with his wife specifically to end their house warming party at a hotel, which they sung at lots of other parties as it went over really well over the following years. He sold it to MGM in 1949 which put it in the romantic comedy Neptunes daughter. For me it was flirting with the idea that people need to leave, but its cold, maybe stay for 1 drink more but as it was sung by him and his wife it was cleverly done so could also be flirty between each other. Can google it and find out but of course its all about raping his wife and everyone at the party.... obviously!!! just the pathetic people of today. Funny thing is half way through it flips and a woman is doing it to a man, yet no one plays that part
they should've gone the whole mile and written a full album of songs, such as:
- I''m dreaming of a reasonably snowy late december holiday
- the many interpretations of saint nicholas are coming to our abode
- oh come all ye faithful or not believe what you want man
- rudolph the red nosed body positivity reindeer
- last late december holiday
- all I want for late december holiday is your consenting company
- bells 2.0; you can (not) jingle
- Justin Beiber Ft. Busta Rhymes 'Drummer Boy' Cover
I'd buy the album, just saying.
without the ear rape thing at the end, sounds like a student council; harmless but also useless
Last late December holiday is my jam
😂😂good one!
Christopher Yonemitsu this sounds really funny
Rebuild of evangelion reference?
That has got to be the most polite way a man has ever told a woman to GTFO!
"so, I have to work early morning..."
LOL.
If I told my boyfriend I was going home and he was just like, “bye.” I’d be genuinely disappointed
I don’t need him putting anything in my drink or something like that, but I’d like a “Stay 5 more minutes” or “Please don’t go”
Let’s just be honest here. We’re all vain and would love for someone to beg for our very presence.
The thing in her drink was alcohol, not a drug. But i get what you mean the revised song seemed like they were just friends, not romantic just friendly.
...how about you just saying what you freaking want instead of doing some weird game that requires others to have precognition. The original song is weird, the intent was playful, but someone explaining they need to leave over 20 times is a good indication you should let them go.
Fake Name 20 times is weird. 2-3 is cool ig
+Fake Name If you don't have precognition, why date you in the 1st place?
TheVsagent exactly
My interpretation of the original "Baby, It's Cold Outside" is that the girl is teasing the guy the whole time. She sounds playful the whole time, in every cover I've heard. The woman has agency! If she didn't want to stay, she wouldn't have taken those chances to stay inside. Even in the original video, she's smiling at the guy and doesn't seem bothered at all by his attempts to get her to stay. And what's interesting about the movie where the song originated is that they reversed the roles the second time- the man trying to go home but the woman is trying to get him to stay out of concern. It's a shame there aren't more covers from that perspective. Maybe then the song will start to lose its "creepiness".
This is actually correct. The song was written in the 1940s, and would have been understood this way by the audience of the time. "What's in this drink?" is an old trope suggesting a woman is unusually bold and set to do something rather un-"lady-like". She's going to do something that the mention of which would supposedly make her mother blush. In the eyes of the contemporary audience, she's not trying to make an excuse to go, she's looking for an excuse to stay.
Exactly! She's being coy! Which yeah, women can be coy and not say what they actually mean to say, especially back then.
He's not trying to force her to stay, he's just trying to convince her.
I like that. I like that a lot. I always took the woman as obviously wanting to stay with the man, but she feels she should stick to all the pomp and circumstance she's used to. "My family can't know I'm getting involved with a guy! But...I love him and DO want to stay!" She's torn between her two lives essentially.
@@himagainstill Wow at that 40's trivia! That's the nail in the coffin for the whole debate I think. How we always forget that context matters!
I heard that the lyrics represent the fact that - in the 1940s - a courting couple weren't supposed to be getting up to anything physical before marriage. The lyrics denote the woman's awareness of romantic social taboos, and she worries about all the reasons she *ought* to leave, despite secretly wanting to stay with him. The man knows this, and is trying to persuade her to relax, forget about all that, and just enjoy the evening (in ways which are sincerely suave and gentle).
In the end, both the man and the woman come up with the excuse that "it's cold outside", meaning that the woman has a legitimate reason to not go home. Thus freed from social obligations regarding the avoidance of pre-marital intimacy, the happy couple can settle down to a cosy romantic evening in peace.
Edit - here are a few of the woman's lines suggesting that, deep down, she wants to stay rather than leave:
- "This evening has been so very nice."
- "Maybe just a half a drink more."
- "I wish i knew how to break this spell."
- "I ought to say no, no, no, sir.... At least i'm gonna say that i tried."
- The entire fact that she takes several minutes coyly proclaiming the intention of leaving, whilst never actually making a move to leave.
One can only morally object to the song if one assumes that the woman is being held against her will. If one accepts that the woman actually wants to stay, all objection becomes moot, and the song is actually just adorable.
Grymbaldknight Thanks your thought I see it every differently. There is no part in the song where the women says she wants to stay due to her own feelinfs. She keeps saying no and only says "okay I'll stay" after loads of pushing from the make side which for
many of women who deal with men who dont take no for answer is very annoying to anxiety provoking depending on the person. She never once says or thinks "oh I really want stay with you longer but I mustn't due to xyz".
Mimi Locke
No, she keeps saying things that other people will think if she stays. She doesn't say that she doesn't want to stay. There's a difference between saying "I don't want to" and "What will people think?"
Of course she doesn't say it. Do women ever directly speak their minds? Well, maybe sometimes, but they speak far less directly than men do.
If the woman was adamant about leaving, she should've been speaking in definites, with absolutely no coyness or praise whatsoever:
- "I need to go."
- "You need to take me home."
- "I can't stay any longer, i'm sorry."
- "I want to go home."
- "Let me go."
Instead, she speaks in terms of "I've *got* to leave", not "I *want* to leave". It refers to the social expectations placed upon her, and how she's aware that she'll be judged if she doesn't leave. This theme is repeated throughout the song:
- "Father will be pacing the floor."
- "The neighbours might think."
- "I ought to say no."
- "There's bound to be talk tomorrow."
Her reservations about staying are founded in the fact that her reputation as an "honest woman" is dependent on whether she maintains the illusion of chastity before marriage. She's afraid of having her reputation dirtied, but at the same time she wants to stay (hence why she agrees to another drink, and continues to make conversation). The man is simply trying to tell her that she doesn't need to worry about it, whilst flattering and flirting with her to boost her confidence and her desire to stay.
Don't misunderstand me, i think the man's style of flirting is very heavy-handed and presumptuous, and it's certainly not for everyone. In that sense, the song is - again - a product of its time. However, that's not to be taken as an indication that he's keeping her there against her will. He's being persuasive, sure, but he's not physically stopping her from leaving. If she insisted (which she doesn't), i'm certain he'd relent and let her leave.
That so within the realm of interpretation tho. I believe it’s quite dangerous to assume what a person is thinking or meaning when they say no to you
It remains true, though, that a person can say "no" and mean "yes" - especially where intimacy is concerned. In such cases, one must be gentle, observant, and watch for social cues which indicate actual intentions and wishes.
There's nothing to suggest that the man in the song isn't being very gentle with the woman. He's being dismissive of her objections, but that doesn't mean he's not also keeping an eye on her to make sure she's feeling okay around him. He's being persuasive, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't back down if she actually became distressed.
The man is flirting with her. He's being masculine, and he's taking control of the situation. He's expressing dominance, but in a way which is intended to arouse and reassure. He's not hurting her, making her uncomfortable, or keeping her from leaving. He's just being romantic. It's quite likely that he sincerely cares about her, but the culture of the time means that he expresses his romantic feelings in these very overtly masculine ways.
Equally, she's being very feminine, and she's letting him gradually persuade her because it's her way of flirting back. She's being coy. She wants compliments. She likes being flattered. She relaxes when he takes control of the situation, because she knows him and she knows that he won't hurt her.
It's okay. The song is just about two lovebirds playing hard to get, and finding excuses to spend time with each other. It's very unlikely that the song was written with the intention of conveying rape or emotional manipulation.
"If this is rape, then sign me up."
Never change, Gavin.
nobody notice: Khan!
Sargon of Akkad I wouldn't even sign you up
Garbage human
Sargon of Akkad cant read.
Mark Donald A funny one
Woman: Baby it's cold outside.
Man: It's not that cold.
“That’s a lot of damage”
“It’s not that much damage”
Man: I'm still not turning down the AC.
Woman: Baby it's cold outside.
Man: So now you think I can control the weather? That's it...getting the bag of Oranges.
Lol.
But what else could he be if man's not hot?
Baby it's cool outside
- Babe that's Australia
"I really can't stay..." - "That's fine, I'm obviously gay"
THE END
69 I can’t like
This video is a prime example of why you're probably the only channel that tackles socio-political stuff that I particularly trust. I always take more than one grain of salt with other channels, but this channel is humble, careful, and honest.
Same.
Likewise
Right. Sargon of Akkad it ain’t.
This channel has had many mistakes and multiple times he has purposefully mislead us with his bias, though.
@Fearghus Keitz Could you point out some of those mistakes? I haven't noticed anything specific.
"Baby go home already"
While I might just be feeding the trends that Counter Arguments predicted, I'm hoping that this anti-PC argument will be decent and insightful:
The male character in the original "Baby, It's Cold Outside," even assuming that he and his partner are talking out loud, is not even close to a rapist. At worst, he's overly persistent based on how long he keeps trying to get her to stay. That's not even inherently sexist, much less akin to date rape. Also, while he comes closer to giving commands than asking questions, he doesn't really force her to do anything. He tries to strongly persuade her with words, which she can always choose to ignore.
Despite having that ability, she still gives in. Two major conclusions can be drawn from this:
1. The female character must have had some desire to stay since her boyfriend's persuasions (and no apparent force) were enough for her to ignore her previous misgivings.
2. The male character probably wasn't wrong to keep persuading her since it worked in the end. Unless it was through dumb luck, he must have known that there was a decent chance that he could convince her.
Any feminists who know all of this and still draw the conclusion that the song is about rape are ignoring the agency of the woman in the situation completely. She consented, and if she regretted it later, then it was her problem for not standing up for herself. I believe that one of the best ways to empower anyone is to trust that they know what's best for themselves and let them take responsibility for any failure on their part. Thus, anyone who pins the blame on the man does not truly want to empower people in the same situation as his partner.
You are pretty much on the head with this. Basically, they were both having a good time and neither one wanted to call it a night. If you really listen to most of the lyrics, the girl is more concerned about what OTHER PEOPLE would think if she stayed the night with a man she wasn't married to (think of the time period this was written in). The man is simply offering her excuses she could use if anyone wanted to question her... purity. She eventually accepts his excuses and decides to stay.
MeowTheRainbowX I don’t know man. I’d agree with you if it wasn’t for the “what’s in this drink” line (followed by no answer). I don’t know if it was meant to be taken that way, but it’s still disturbing.
Awesome Atheist Caramel It definitely isn't. She's asking if it's alcoholic, not if it's roofied. If you ask me, her bringing up the drink is an indication she actually wants to stay but is having trouble admitting it to herself. Why bring up the topic of her drink if what she actually wants to discuss is the topic of leaving? I think she's trying to imply that she's feeling a little tipsy from the alcohol in the drink she basically asked for just a couple of lines previously, and that might be a reason for her to stay.
Awesome Atheist Caramel: It's actually a joke from back in the day, asking (rhetorically) if alcohol is in the drink, not a pill or anything of the sort. The implication is that she is making an excuse as to why she may be losing her inhibition, but the suggestion is that nothing is actually in the drink, she's just coyly excusing herself of the "responsibility" to remain ladylike that was expected in that era. The whole song is her making excuses as to why she simply MUST leave, but never wanting to actually go. It's a form of flirting that develops when your society is embroiled in extreme sexual repression for one or both sexes, when it's expected to coyly say no and let yourself be convinced before you say yes..
your point is sound if not for one lyric... "...say what's in this drink?" that lyric alone gives the hint of date rape drugs, roofies, whatever, and the rest is suggested from that. It's a subtle link, and stretched, but it isn't completely unfound. I think it could be interpreted many ways, and I certainly don't have much of an issue with the song. The revision is a little silly, but I get what they were doing, and I am absolutely for positive re enforcement for healthy relationships where people are free to go as they please, because many people DO become stuck in unhealthy forced situations (men and women both)
7:43
"im glad you had a real good time"
"???? - hes gay"
and im on the floor
Roll the "Why ar u gey" video!
Demonstrating the love between two people.
"I really can't stay"
"You don't have to"
Because whenever you like someone you just love the idea of them leaving.
This sounds like he's trying to get rid of her.
This is why I stay indoors and don't talk to anyone.
oh yeah,sure.
Your name, picture, and comment all make sense together
This pfp is perfect
Yea, that's why. lol
Because it's cold outside?
“I really can’t stay”
“Get the f*** out now”
[Door slams] The end.
You know a song’s good when it was written in 45 minutes
*song's (contraction of "song is/has")
songs = plural
@@alvallac2171 This comments is a year old, yet you waste your correcting it. Shame
alvallac21 Bru. It's not like a RUclips comment is an essay to the president.
alvallac21 the fact that you can understand that he meant “song’s” meant the grammar works and you don’t have to correct.
@@OlliOtter if anything it's just a punctuation mistake, not a grammar one.
“He’s gay,” was the best thing I have ever heard
You have a really eloquent way of expressing cynicism. May your videos be analyzed in an English class 20 years from now.
Otherized Meme Aaaa-meeeeen
i think it's an interesting song they made, the interpretetion of a rejected woman desperately wanting to stay with the man is great
“They’re not taking away the song”
1 Year later
And still nobody took it away. Like 1 radio station in Canada stopped playing it and it caused a worldwide furore. Meanwhile, its still there on Spotify and every Christmas CD.
@@dillonblair6491 No what are you talking about ?
@@dillonblair6491 who's "they?" It seems to be only one group.
I'm about as liberal as it gets. Consider this. When baby it's cold outside was written, it was socially unacceptable for women to be enthusiastic about sex, even within marriage. God forbid she actually want to spend the night with a, *gasp*, boyfriend. The song was written when women had absolutely zero sexual agency when it was all but impossible to give consent because society expected women to reject advances in any circumstance which made genuine rejection impossible to distinguish from faux rejection. The woman is oscillating between what is societally expected of her and what she just genuinely wants to do. The man is making his desires fairly clear, but in the form of excuses, she can use to overcome those societal expectations. He never makes a power play or demands that she stay. He just says 'yeah, but it is pretty cold out there so...' At the end of the day, she could just be like "I'll manage," and walk out the door.
All of this stuff persists. Many women consider that they shouldn't rush in too fast into sex, or that they shouldn't go back with a man she's broken up with, because of how she imagines it would make her appear, rather than what she actually wants. Women are, on average, extremely social creatures and they place high value on the opinions of friends and family. Situations exactly like this persist to this day. I've had partners describe to me how they were balancing in their minds "how many dates should it be before going back to his place", or "I am not sure if I should" - when all the signals were there at the time for me - yes, she wants to.
Women play to social/biological role of "choosey", men play the social/biological of "suitor". Women often surf this kind of ambivilance until they cross a threshold, and it's the mans role to charm her there. Women caught up in their emotions, often don't know exactly how they will fall in advance (at least at a younger age), but men have to learn how to read between the lines - the body language, the emotional warmth etc. Of course it doesn't always work like that, sometimes the guy as oblivious (as I was once), and the woman pursues him.
But were this general trend, not the case, women and men would court like gay men on tinder - men do not generally have these reservations to be overcome, and that's why you get things like strangers having sex in public bathrooms. So I'd say, everything that was true of the original song, is still true it's just the standards have changed from "don't sleep with anyone before marriage" to "don't sleep with men too easily"
And all of this subtley and complexity is why the feminist understanding of consent, is bollox. Clear, loud, matter of fact, plain no's are no's. Absolutely. If the emphasis rises with the insistence - that's a fucking no there buddy. There are other "weaker" no's that aren't outright no's but more of an invitation for a sales pitch. The smaller objections that start soft, and fade gently with charm or persuasion. There is no clear consent in many social situations, but anyone with social intelligence who is there, knows exactly what is going on.
If nothing else, if you can't read the signs, you can read the tone of what someone says. If you want someone with less social intelligence to hear a refusal, say it more emphatically until they do.
That really wholesome and progressive. Its like the exact opposite of how it’s being portrayed now
This has honestly been one of my favorite episodes so far, at first I didn't get what the deal was and even liked the new son. But man oh man, the discourse between the two perspectives was SO funny to me, like, they unwittingly released the floodgates, they had the chance to imprint the song with meaning but they weren't brave enough, in my opinion. Brilliant video, thank you!
That 'revised version' is just pathetic.
There's no romance, passion, it makes almost no sense, it's born from what- at least what I see as- a total misinterpretation, & it's just sad (if a guy won't even *attempt* to keep her there, does he even care about her?).
Justin Helms I actually see it like the og but if they guy was bad a social signals which IMO gives it a charm
Yes he still cares about her. It's a misinterpretation as you said. He's thinking "I want her to stay but I don't want to force or guilt her into staying." While the girl wants him to convince her not to go. He won't say he wants her to stay; she won't say she wants to stay. Both of them should have realized the conversation was awkward and just told each other how they really felt. It's funny because people, we, do that all the time. Instead of just saying what we mean and what we want, we expect other people to some how just know from body language, double speak, etc.Then we fall into misunderstandings
“He’s gay!”
It's clearly not supposed to be romantic, it's supposed to be a joke. They said that themselves IN THIS VIDEO, nobody would ever actually talk that way.
It's sad if you take it serious, otherwise it's laughing stock.
I understand the criticism of the original, and while I disagree with it, I can understand the desire to rewrite it.
The revision was bad. It just not a good song. The lyrics are really dumb.
Aaron Paul 9:50
No u
I like the song, dunno why people hate it. I always just thought about it as a guy wanting to chill in the house rather than having his girl literally chill outside.
The respect wamen himn.
No guy tells a girl that's on the couch with him that he's "cool" with her going home early.
Dwight K. Schrute unless you really want her to leave because its been boring lol
Dwight K. Schrute Or if they're just cool with it
Or maybe he's more than a mating automaton.
"No guy tells a girl that's on the couch with him that he's "cool" with her going home early." - except the guys that want to be accused of rape the next day. This song to me seemed like the girl was trying to manipulate the guy, but he just played dumb with her. She just wouldn't consent that she wants to stay, 'cuz if she did, all these pointless excuses wouldn't have been made.
The new song is more creepy than the original song's worst interpretation. Quoting someone from the music video: "passive aggressiveness and princess mentality are creepy, someone trying to fuck you isn't."
That's why they wrote it that way, it's ironic and funny.
Hahaha, are you kidding me? The original song is a woman trying to get convinced to stay. You've turned this song into one where the female is obviously interested and hoping for compliments and an invitation to stay... but the man is kicking her the hell out.
Exactly
I need a full version of “baby you got two eyes” and I don’t know why
great stuff
@The Yangem it's cause a verified channel commented it
I disagree with your assertion that the couple became a pawn in a chess game between progressives and conservatives. I don't think the overall intelligence of either side is smart enough to play chess. /s
PyroTrap
Oh wow
Peak centrism
I'm partial to the conservatives, but it's just as easy to mindlessly parrot their talking points as the progressives'. There are stupid people in every movement, which is why the ideas are more important than the people.
PyroTrap lol epic flames
I'm partial to progressives myself, but they can be just as tunnel visioned as the conservatives they argue against.
I laughed when one of the trains was called "Old Man Depression"
Last time I was this early there was only one Sudan
I've always wondered who upvotes these shitty comments.
me
me
Wtf happened to Sudan
It split into 2 country’s
"I really can't stay..."
"Lmao k bye"
"W-what..?"
I don't like revisionism or this song.
ThreadThatHas NoEnd depends on the intend i guess
Reinterpretation, revision, and remixes are fine.
The song, like most reboots, was lame.
revisionism is more about rewriting the past. in this case re writing a song to make it "fit with the times" and I don't like the original song either. I'm with John Lennon I don't like an over abundance of silly love songs.
This is not revisionism. Don't use that word if you don't want to use it correctly.
yeah it is. they are saying the past was patriarchal and rapey so they have to fix it with a new song. The revisionism is that the past wasn't rapey they just talked and thought differently.
Conclusion: at the end of the day, they "rewrote" the song simply because they were trolling, as they pretty much admitted to Tucker Carlson.
This is off topic from the video, but are you going to make a video about if healthcare is a right, or something around there? I’d love to hear logical arguments by you for this topic.
That rabbit hole can get pretty deep since it envolves questions such as:
What is a right?
Should negative rights take precedence over positive ones?
What is the purpose of government?
Should the government do what can be done privately?
Can rights be limited by economic feasibility?
It should make for an interesting video.
Yes please please do one about health Care. It would be an extremely facinting video. ( Although all of his videos are already fascinating)
rwatertree The government's job is to make you nobody who don't want to gets to tell you what to do. The problem is that the government became the thing we don't want to tell us what to do.
Yup I think you're right. There's also a lot of culture behind it.
For example: In Germany we have universal health care since the 1880s.
In the US it has never been in place. The reasons for those differences are very much cultural ones:
In Germany it was always very normal to see society as a big community, being active in every aspect from your Union to your Soccerclub was the norm. (For Example: Big Clubs like Bayern Munich are still owned by the 100.000 members of the club, not one singler owner like NFL-Teams).
In the United States everything is much more about individuality and pursuing your very personal hopes and dreams.
Healthcare is a right by definition, do you have no idea what a right is?
"Well, I should go..."
"Okay, get out."
"I can't stay anymore..."
"I'm not stopping you."
"I really need to get home..."
"Just leave already, the door's unlocked and I don't wanna get sued for rape."
This is the vibe I get from this "revamped" version.
Everything made perfect sense when the two trains collided
people in real life never start randomly dancing
*begins awkwardly dancing*
you were saying?
YOU TOOK OUT A PLANT, BRO!
Women like to be chased. They like you to show interest. Flirtatious coercion and forced coercion are two different things.
Whoa whoa whoa, nuance isn't their strong suit.
That's a hasty generalization of an entire half of the population. "Flirtatious coercion" would be frowned upon by many many women, especially if it isn't mutual.
Feminists, the opposition to this song, see them as the same. They have succeeded in having people embrace the mutually opposed concepts that women are just as strong and powerful and capable as any man if not more so and women are delicate flowers needing full protection so even giving consent women are not responsible for their actions and it is always man's fault.
No, SOME women like to be chased, and then only by SOME men. Many other women find that kind of stuff threatening.
@@krombopulos_michael Some women like to be "chased", and they would be called heterosexuals. Then only by some men, and those would be men they find attractive. A small number of other women,, they would be called homosexuals, feminists, man-haters, don't want to be "chased" as well as heterosexuals don't want to be chased by men they aren't finding attractive.
I was going to request this but was afraid you'd find it silly. Awesome video :).
He did a video on taking down Christmas lights and why you don't have to, so I don't know what you were thinking.
The only thing that gives the left's argument any weight is the line "say, what's in this drink?" And even then that argument is tentative at best.
I really liked the rewrite, could imagine the guy as being really bad with social signals.
the500mphtortoise maybe he has aspergers
Eli N.S exactly what I was imagining!
I assumed this was an overstayed parody. Boy was I wrong, welcome to 2017.
Trying to get a girl to stay, because it's too cold to go out = rape? Excuse me, I need to go cry in a corner, for all of humanity.
Theodore Monin That's not really what anyone was implying.
Covert persuasion precedes rape, joke's on you!
The focus in particular was the woman's line: "Say, what's in this drink?"
This song was performed for nearly a decade before rohypnol was even invented.
@@Dinofly4 can still get someone drunk
“When to emotions get too strong for speech, sing; when they get too strong for song, dance” rules of musicals. Seen everywhere from Broadway shows to Disney renaissance. Just thought I’d add this as it explains why characters suddenly break out into song- emotions.
I prefer the real "Baby it's cold outside."
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I said the _real_ "Baby it's cold outside."
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Perfection.
Even as a small child I understood that the woman in Baby It's Cold Outside REALLY wanted to stay. She's protesting out of a duty to propriety and he responds over and over that it is perfectly reasonable for her to stay because it can't be all that scandalous when it's so cold outside.
"Baby it's cold outside" NOT ANYMORE WITH CLIMATE CHANGE
"I really can't st~ay"
"Baby you don't have too..."
"...bye."
"Drive safe."
I laughed so hard here this is too good
I found the original song kinda creepy, but I found myself feeling weird for all the same reasons you just stated.
Girl send very obvius signs
Boy: i’m gonna pretend i didn’t see that
Lol at the “ reinterpretation “
This actually aged very well.
Y
The reason it is funny to me is that it fits within the current PC narrative, neutering the joy of the original song. This version is terrible and there is no back and forth conflict.
It is them trying to appeal to modern sensibilities and expected to be patted on the back for changing art, which is a product of its time.
I've been revisiting this video a few times every couple of months, and this still has to be one of the best videos I have ever seen. What a rollercoaster this video is, how the music is done perfectly to raise tension, what is being said and how it's interpreted, more, more, and so much more.
This video is a brilliant piece of art and Counter Arguments has made something I have not forgotten in years; and will continue to never be able to forget.
>mfw I realized they could have been one greatest trolls out there. It could have been a 4chan level trolling.
A year later (2018) and the song resurfaces like a poop that doesn't want to be flushed away!
I've always thought it was kind rapey lol. But I still love the song and sing along during the holidays
For some reason I have never thought of musicals numbers as mostly thoughts. I am an amateur actor and have been in 5 musicals. IT ALL MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE NOW. And now it's really fun looking back at the lyrics and analyzing the scenes as just the characters putting they're little conversations and thoughts into a pretty song.
I think it can seem a bit rapey if you go in thinking that, but I don't think that was the idea. I interpret it as being more about how she's hesitant to stay because of people gossiping; I don't remember the exact lines, but she seems to reference the fact that there'll be an implication, which is what she's worried about. And hey, maybe I'm just trying to justify it because I really like the song. That's possible too. But I don't think anyone but the songwriter himself could say what it's actually about so it's kinda pointless to argue about.
I love this way of phrasing it: "They were so put off by *their* interpretation"
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OK, Don't let the door hit you on the way out, baby.
If we have global warming , how can it be cold outside ? Gotcha !
I honestly did not know someone attempted to re write "Baby It's cold outside" until I saw this video. Thank you for being a voice of reason.
Your sub count is way lower than it should be.
Two artists : Makes something random for fun
Political people : Its free real estate
millennial version: "I really can't stay".... yep, seeya.
“I’m thirty and my parents don’t want me up past 11”
"Baby uv got 2 eyes". 😂😂
Baby, it's space outside.
Space? Well, I'm gonna meet the Sun! What am I gonna tell the Sun? "h-h-Hi, Sun?"
I have to call bullshit on them doing it just for a joke. He clearly stated the first one was TERRIBLE and the should update it, NOT let's write a parody. His statement on Current, doesn't match their pack peddling on Tucker Carlson.
I like how they pretend it was all planned
Did you watch the same video I did? They were clearly expressing shock at the wide reception of their song and plainly stating that it *WASN'T* planned.
PokemonTom09 yes I did and you do know that lying is a thing especially from extremist on either side of the political spectrum
You: "I like how they pretend is was planned"
Me: "They said it *wasn't* planned"
You: "Yeah that's what I said"
Me, right now: No. No it's not. Stop lying.
That “cover” was hilarious!!! Whenever I have to leave or my girlfriend has to go home there is always some cute teasing about “noooo don’t go home” since we love each other and would ideally want to stay! I’ve been in the “girl” position before. I’ve said “I have to go” and she’s said “cmon reallllly”? She isn’t TRYING to stop me, it’s a show of how she loves me.
Do you live in Minnesota? Both 89.3 and KARE 11 are MN shows.
Yeah, they do
The musicians live in Minnesota.
Ben Weber Probably because the couple is from Minnesota
This whole channel is an absolute gem. I have not yet found a video on it that I have not enjoyed thoroughly. If more people had the attitude of evaluating ideas on their own instead of eating up ideological chaff from one side or the other, we would all be better off. Thanks, and I hope this channel takes off for you!
An entire song about a women making excuses to leave but just doesn't leave. Yeah, way more progressive.
I like the song, but no one can argue 'Say what's in this drink?' has aged well
"Say something that can't be dismissed".
That's a level of naivety I wouldn't have expected from this channel. There is literally no statement, even one involving indisputable research and facts, that cannot be dismissed by an entire philosophy or movement of people (of any side of politics/religion/economics/etc.)
what about, "I am"?
Gnostics and people who took The Matrix too seriously could easily dismiss that claim!
you're right! Gah!
A is A
At least a thing exists
Heh! People from Asian countries dismiss your A!
_"Why are you trying to make excuses? Get out of my house!"_
Yeah, remember all those songs, duets especially, which are about thoughts and not the words? The Jedi mind trick that the lyrics don't exist in the real world is almost as laughable as the ham-fisted rewrite of the song. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Leave the date rape connotations & your ludicrous alternate reality idea aside & just enjoy the fucking music. Please?
Here's the thing. Stop trying to re-interpret actions & art from the past through a modern filter or lens. The song was released in 1944. Chances are our sensibilities about at least an issue or two have changed in over 70 fucking years.
The song was written with two parts, the male called "Wolf" & the female called "Mouse". It is a typical call & response song and is very much about a man trying to get in a woman's pants (or skirt, in 1944) and a woman offering token resistance as would be expected for the sake of propriety & social norms while rationalizing the desire to stay in the home of her male friend for the evening.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby,_It%27s_Cold_Outside
This video made me realise a flaw in my reasoning for my feelings about the lyrics of this song. My opinion used to be that it was a little creepy because of how the man is pushing for the woman to stay even though she's saying she needs to go, but I was okay with it because when it was made that level of pushiness by men to women was much more the standard. What I forgot to take into account was that the expectation would also have been different, so it would have been much more likely for the woman to play reluctant while the man pushes forward. I still don't think that it has a good modern message, but I find it rather less creepy. Though I don't like the re-written lyrics any better, they seem to be having 2 conversations at once masquerading as 1.
The new version sounds like the guy has a mangina
This is one of the best made videos i've seen on this platform
Whoa I lean more to the left, and I thought the "revised" version was the most BETA male piece of "art".. This is Feminism not Liberal/Progressive shit
These days, what's the difference?
I can say the same about conservative and racists.. these days, whats the difference?
You sound more like the alt-right ("beta" is from the manosphere).
KrpticTheory Ironic considering liberals/progressives are obsessed with race to an insane level.
I didnt even realize this was a debate.
Ppl defo got a lotta time on their hands
Sorry I tend to love your videos but counter arguments tend to offer a different perspective, this is just a flimsy excuse for the original and a lampooning of a piece of work that was under produced. A more timely look might include...
My issue with the the original is if some people see it as sexual assault and others see it as "playing hard to get". Then when situations like it occurs in the real world one person will think they are being witty/romantic whilst the other is being sexually assaulted/raped. No wonder victims have such a hard time coming forward, if they're assaulters or rapists don't think they were in the wrong.
The remake was on the right tracks because it looks like this girl is playing hard to get and the guy just doesn't go for it in case she's being sincere, if everyone did the same people would just start being more clear if they are interested in people and people would end up in sexual situations they aren't interested in less.
Maybe make a vid on the possible dangers of playing hard to get/assuming people you like are doing it
I love your videos! You always make such fantastic points! On a side note: What got me laughing was the way you sang "Baby you've got two eyes." It was amazing.
A monumental waste of time and energy.
According to Wikipedia, during the 1940s, whenever Hollywood celebrities with vocal talents attended parties, they were expected to perform songs. In 1944, Loesser wrote "Baby, It's Cold Outside" to sing with his wife, Lynn Garland, at their housewarming party in New York City at the Navarro Hotel. They sang the song to indicate to guests that it was time to leave. Things were much different in the 40s. "Nice" women did not always drink alcohol, so naturally she might ask what was in the drink. It's simply ridiculous to think that anyone would write a song about drugging a woman to perform at a party and later record in a hit movie in the 40s.
Strange how progressives tend to miss nuance......
Bdog -it when the only tool you have is a hammer everything just look like a nail
... or see too much nuance... take your pick
My interpretation personally was that she had to walk home and he genuinely didn't want her to go outside and freeze. he cared about her and didnt want her to walk in the snow and cold. She didnt want to leave either she loved him but her parents would worry if she stayed over.