FYI - So RUclips in its infinite wisdom has picked up this video to showcase my channel... This isn't one of my good videos. It was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening. Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes. Also the customer did swap out to dual PCI-E power cables afterwards - so rest easy on that.
I wouldn't throw it out - It did show a logical troubleshooting scenario, and the easy trap that newbies can fall into. It reinforces the lesson to check ALL connections, at both sides of a cable, before condemning a card.
Tell me about it... this isn't exactly one of my favourite videos either, it was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening. Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes.
@@Adamant_IT you also should never reuse a bad cable(i understand it may still work fine but with out replacing the pins you will never know for sure), especially one that has doubled ends on it like this one does. that gpu should have 2 dedicated cabled from the psu to it.
Coincidentally, I did my first PC build about two weeks ago, with exactly that Corsair case and PSU. I commited no rookie mistakes because of this channel, my main source of research to finally got where I am today, typing from my new PC. Thanks Graham!
God damn, I kept thinking "hey this bloke looks really familiar" then realised you used to go into Netplay when my daughter Siana was working there :) I'm the nutter bloke with the three wheel van and still often messing around with PC's. I seem to remember you being out with Tom and his brothers one night and we had a right ol' chat about PC's.
Also because it was a ramble video I didn't bother with a thumbnail :P However I did give DaVinci Resolve a go. The shortcut keys for it are frustrating, it's really really designed to be used with the Black Magic editing desk stuff. Also still no GPU accelerated exporting, which is really what I'm looking for.
Have you tried resolve again? GPU acceleration is now supported and export speeds are, in my opinion, rapid. It is designed with the BM desk and wheels but everything can be done with m&k (again imo) and shortcuts now have a few preset options, like after effects mode and vegas mode where common shortcuts are the same as they are in those programs.
The melting around the power supply pins at 32:20 is similar to the recent (late 2022) spate of issues regarding the PCIE 12VHPWR connector used with Nvidia RTX 40 series cards. In both cases the melting is caused by incomplete insertion of the power connection.
Saw your video on diagnosing shorts and then scrolled through your videos to see if I could find a repair that’s related to my issue and voila! This Xmas video is exactly what I’m going through. My 2080 ti fan spins at 100% and won’t post. Going to replicate exactly what you did here to rule issues with the power supply out. I had switched my card from PCIe slot 1 to 2 and it temporarily fixed my issue and now my card won’t post when starting it up cold. So I took the card apart and the original thermal paste application was poor so I reapplied paste. It worked temporarily when I booted it up but the next day it didn’t post until I let it run for a few hours and restarted it It’s currently working now but my computer won’t sleep automatically and it just stays on. I know as soon as I turn it off it won’t post. So thank you for your videos, tutorials, real world examples and I’ll make sure to spread the word.
imagine being recommended this video and not finding it on your own by searchin' up computer fixing stuff. Nice channel, my dude! Informative so far, and will definitely be helpful.
I used to work for the Service Dept at Fry's Electronics (till they went out of business). A lot of the troubleshooting techniques you displayed here are excellent! I am very impressed. A great show of skill and experience!
I was surprised how many mid to high end cases don't have 5.25" drives. I know I am in the minority here, but I absolutely still use optical media for both read and write (archive quality blue ray backups should be more common). I ended up going with a fractal define r5 even though it is old
I use optical drives all the time. And most of the usb drives don’t last. I will always use a case with a bay even if I didn’t use it all the time. More convenient that way
On my last build It was 3 years before I ever needed to use the DVD drive. thought it was dead when I finally needed to use it. Turned out I never actually connected it when I built the system, lol.
it seems odd how much space cases have in the region that was normally used for that. Steps backwards. Getting rid of the mounting options should mean getting rid of the dead space
@RJ Games Productions Quarterbacks cannot function unless the team of arm-chair quarterbacks tell him what to do after the fact when it can do no good.
... its had a melted PCI-e port by the PSU that didn't fit in properly either way... he cleaned it up enough for a connection between the GPU and the PSU which got the video card working again... Very well done! Though, since this video was made about a year ago, I hope the customer who owns this PC got a new PCI-e cable replacements.
I agree with you on RGB... I think it's a great way to add some customization to each and every build. If you don't want it, turn it off. If you want bright and loud, turn it up. Good job on the power supply cables though, I know a lot of techs that would probably skip that step and recommend a new graphics card off the bat. Just be careful with that coffee around an open and powered system though. :) *Edit* Also - one of my new favorite channels, from a tech in the US. Keep up the content.
Yeah my first case/RGB ecosystem was Deepcool Captain RGB Pro v2 240mm Deepcool CF120 aRGB fans x 6 in a Deepcool Matrexx70aRGB, with Vengeance LED ddr4, but I recently switched to Corsair Crystal 680x and Corsair H100i RGB Pro XT 240mm with x8 QL120 fans and put Vengeance RGB Pro in my rig instead, because I just wanted unlimited options really lol.
Great video and yes this is more common than ppl realize. I had 2 come in in less than 3 weeks that had loose cables arcing and melting connectors, 1 was even on the cpu power connector. Ppl get lucky and all they needed was new cables. As a result of issues way back in the 90's the PSU is the first thing I inspect thoroughly and no not with a voltage meter lol.
Always fun to sit and guess along... Once it posted on the other system I thought "hmm PSU-cables perhaps since the other card just used one 8-pin?". Such a great feeling when you're correct :) Great and fun videos Adamant! Consider me a subscriber
Tbh, I hadn't owned a pc in 15 years, since probably '03 or so, and built my first last year... I loved the whole process of it, was really quite enjoyable. The moment the card didnt light up though, and you putting in the RX 570 worked, it immediately made me think about the secondary 8 pin connector, and then that is actually the problem, I just figured it had been unplugged but that looked so much more serious lol.
Just for anyone whos wondering this is my PC and i brought it in to Graham. It is my first time build and know i made mistakes. The cable into the PSU seemed like it had clipped in but after having problems i knew it needed to be fixed by a professional.
One thing I'd like to point out, you only used one cable to the GPU, with the two plugs on it. I'm not a fan of the small pigtails like that, as it puts all the current for the GPU onto one connector at the PSU side. It's not spreading the load, increasing the current on the pins at the PSU side, and therefore the heating. On high power cards (>200W) I would always use two separate cables from the PSU to the GPU, as it lowers the current on each pin on the PSU, provide more conductors up to the GPU, and generally lower any voltage drop to the GPU (And heating of the cables and pins). Not saying it can't be done the way you have it, especially if you are in a bind, but if you have the option, I'd try and use individual cables between the PSU and each GPU power connector. The pins are technically rated at 13A, if they are to Molex Mini-Fit Jr. specs, but then if you have a bad connection, or bad seating like in this case, that's gonna drastically reduce the current carrying capacity, and lead to excessive heating, as you seen here. Note to newbies - make sure your connectors are FULLY seated in the socket, or things start melting.
@Xcepter that depends on the PSU. With a 650W-750W you definitely need to split the load between the rails. With a 1200W I haven't had issues at any point running the Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 powered by a single cable - undervolted/OCd. You are all correct however that it is better practise to split the power load with 2 cables, both for the PSU strain and GPU performance.
But you guys are missing the poin that the PCIe power might be split on 2 different rails and might have a small voltage difference that would stress the VRMs. Both cases have negatives.
@@mihailstanev8867 The voltage differences produced are usually negligible and the stress on the VRMs is hardly noteworthy. If you connect both PCIe cables to the same rail you are more likely to notice performance decrease / throttling due to the OCP rather than the GPU VRM. If you connect them to PCIe slots on separate rails you are easing the load on the PSU and literally just letting the VRM do the job it's supposed to do, and that's regulate the voltage. Considering the cooling of the VRM is adequate, which manufacturers make sure that it is, it is not a point to concern yourself with.
I once had a properly plugged in SATA power cable develop an intermittent connection after 2+ years which caused what appeared to be a motherboard malfunction. A wee sprit of good electrical contact cleaner (that's safe for plastics and formulated with a tiny amount of lubricant and a water displacement) solved the issue. I've found that said CC comes in especially handy when trouble-shooting oxidized old components and rigs.
And here I thought I know hardware... Well not as well as a guy that could pass for an electrical engineer. I'm super surprised that card still worked. And that the PSU didn't get damaged. Wow. A testament to why you buy good quality parts while some POS PSU can just blow out even with normal use that Corsair took a beating and still works fine once you cleaned up the arc. Pretty amazing. Great vid.
Power supply issue, you just said it as I typed it. Loose connection or not enough real power going to it. Old video but, this is rather fun. I would put a volt meter in the + and - of "My" video power plug 8-pins to see the voltage and see what is actually going on. Customer's I'd be extremely careful and know what I'm doing (make sure the prongs can't touch or create other issues). My stuff is junk compared to a customer rig (no matter if it's cheaper quality or not, I don't want to pay for un-needed repairs. But BINGO you found the problem I bet. Ouch FORCED Entry, and bet it's zapped many times. Ouch! Power supply side look okay? I have to say, I really didn't expect to see that result for that issue. Expected the card to have some problem, but trying a different power supply would have led to seeing the problem (hopefully). Good call on 1st time build/loose plug @ power supply.
I'm tempted to do a RGB build, never did one before. I was able to spot that before you zoomed in. I always connect the cables to the power supply before putting it in the case.
32:37 clearly, the connector is showing signs of heat stress, the likely cause being arcing, closer examination of the corresponding pin would confirm that. Either the PSU is not up to par in providing suitable power level -or- the connector was not properly inserted during the computer assembly. The cable will have to be replaced and PSU checked for integrity.
Discovered this as RUclips subscribed, it's unfortunate that that small error of not making sure everything is fully pushed in. But any first time builder can't make mistakes I did with my very first ever Athlon Barton 2500+ back in 2000. I didn't connect the power supply to the cable that goes to the wall lol thought I'd instantly bricked my system. But I'd of contacted the customer and have told him the error and he'd have to buy a new PSU
a hard drive LED is most important! I had a bad sata cable for a SDD drive, and the hard drive LED kept going on full tilt which indicated to me that there was an issue with one of the 2 drives, -- after trying different sockets on the main board, the issue continued. Finally, once I replaced the cable on one of the drives, I no longer had a stuck drive (also had long boot times and the LED light went full tilt even in BIOS). Yes you want a HDD/SDD LED light. It is a good indicator if you are booting as well
Yea. Indicator LEDs are a dying breed, especially on laptops. They're a lot like extra ports, people never use them - but when you need them, you _need_ them.
To be fair my case I recently built in, a Phanteks p500a doesn’t have an HDD led. I miss it, as it’s a feature that I’ve remembered for 20+ years but I haven’t necessarily needed it
23:13 If you mount the radiator with the tubes down it may not look as nice, but it will reduce/prevent "splashing" sound and increase the lifespan of the pump. Because the way you are mounting it, air will collect at the top where the pump is and it might not get as lubricated/cooled as it should. That is, if that radiator has a pump at the input/output.
I do love my customer built pc repairs, very interesting to see how different folks think when building these computers. Sadly I have seen my share of pcs brought in that were completely nuked (Fried) from poor connection arcing or extra standoffs left behind the MB during their install. I've seen a lot in my repair years, some funny others, not so much ;)
Late to the party on this video (3 yrs). Killing the day watching videos, and was intrigued by your comments on the case...what are YOU using for gear these days? Could you do an "I use/ recommend/ like/ dislike" video?? Cheers!
I'm binging your old videos and it's been very interesting. You provide great service and I wish I had someone like you here locally. Greetings from the U.S.
Some thoughts, if the power supply is modular or semi-modular, this you should check both sides of the cable early in the process, maybe save some time.
I don’t need to watch these videos, as I have over 20 years experience doing this professionally but I love to listen to you while I work, my coworkers don’t talk much and rarely about IT work Something about a British accent really screams “IT” and I have no idea why!
First thing i saw here is actually the extension cables. I never really liked using mod cable at all if its just for aesthetics. I rather have it directly connected instead of extension even if its a non-braided ketchup and mustard case
@@alexgr0111 I mean that would be a good solution. But considering how much force has been used id get the new psu for safety. cus i am that type of person. lol
@@OrionHartwick The PSU itself is fine, it doesn't get damaged because one of the external cables got hot. It was not higher power draw than normal, just that it went trough only a few contacts, which caused a lot more heat, and got the plastic to melt. Problem is that he also bend the connections when he forced them in. So yeah i would not use that connection anymore, but the PSU is fine.
@@deco2430 Exactly, although plugging the cable back in should've straightened the connector so there shouldn't be any other problems other than the plastic on the connector being warped which isn't that big of a deal.
@@secondary5913 The type of metal they use on the female connector pins can loose it's springyness and not make as good a contact even when properly inserted. It's also possible for a thin film of that charred plastic to ooze inside and coat some of the contact surface, reducing it's current carrying capacity. No, the only thing to do with that cable is replace it and mark/tape that PSU socket as unserviceable. Any other course of action will cause tears later on.
coming at this from a general electronics background, once a high current connector is arc/heat damaged it MUST be replaced before further use. even if the quick fix works that connection will now be high resistance, that means heat, that means potential for more damage in the future and maybe worse. at the very least I would have checked the temperature of that connector after the graphics test to see if its heating up when the card draws current.
I really like the case, being someone who's never had any major problems with them, and their updated iCUE is a lot less of a hog than it used to be. I actually had a laptop that iCUE would just crash after like a second of appearing until the redesign
I worked in a computer store many years ago and have seen a couple of not-so-great customer builds. One in particular, they didn't use the MB spaces, so they screwed the MB directly to the case. Nothing shorted though iirc
I had a Seasonic PSU cook the end of a pcie plug once, I think it had to of been the pins in the plug wasn't crimped on the wire in my case, I put a new end on the wire and salvaged 8 pin EVGA modular port off a junk PSU that fit perfect, just had to get the right pinout, Its still working 4 years later powering a 9700k and gtx1660.
I'll be honest, putting that melted cable back into the same pcie power port made me cringe a bit :/ I also wouldve busted out the multimeter to verify the cable was properly working
I take it the plug was like you say either arcing or it was that the other pins wern't connected in and that resulted in tons of current going through a single pin and therefore lots of heat. although the arching would explain why the LED's/power was flicking like mad due to voltage spikes.
Praise the Algorithmic Gods. didn't even tell me why it recommended your channel but i see a Tokyo Ghoul Unravel video in the suggested after this.. you know i'm watching that %.% yuss
now if that video isn't solid proof that people who don't know what they're doing should NOT build their own pcs, then i don't know what is. what a treasure trove of stupidity and sloppiness, did that guy from the verge bring this in? i've had cases like these myself a few times and i absolutely DID give those numbnuts a hard time about it, as their destructive dilettantism did end up costing them way more (in damaged hardware) than having me build the thing in the first place. thankfully, they all listened and consulted me first from then on.
I had to check my new pc build powersupply connections, that it was connected properly. And yes it was done properly. So I quess always check you build for build mistakes!
I was sat there thinking that card aint getting enough juice. A power supply can appear to work it can even show the right voltage but it can drop under load or not provide enough amps. Parts can degrade over time. If it had'nt been the cable.
Hi like your content watched a cpl vids in the past and like 5 in a row this evening. Just one question though for now. did putting up thumbnails improve your click through rate?
I don't do a lot of digging in my analytics, but I think doing thumbnails is helping out these days. The regular subscribers mostly don't care, but a decent thumbnail and catchy title very much helps with discovery, which is what leads to growth, and staves off stagnation.
I’m currently using this case and for some reason fresh out of the box, the cut out for the IO part of the mother board of the case is bent so i had to just go with it
I know an old Video but those Fans are Corsair SP120 RGB Pro Fans.... 3 Pin. The Elite are 4 Pin. I use the Power LED as a HD LED if there isn't one present.
I could be wrong, but... If I remember correctly my RM850x (a black one) is NOT compatible with Type3 Corsair cables but only Type4. I know I'm late to the party... But you can tell your customer to check that out.
Yea, I agree, don't think we need HDD LEDs any more. Mine is now my power LED as the blue one on my Zalman S2 case died, so I moved the HDD LED leads to the power indicator posts. The only need for a Reset button these days if for an RGB hub, LOL.
As long as the top of the radiator is higher than the pump/CPU block, it'll be fine. However, hoses down may silence a gurgling cooler. The main issue that Gamer's Nexus where trying to warn people about was when the pump is the highest point in the system - that's when airtrap becomes an issue.
Having already had this system on your bench, reporting issues with the gpu, you *should have* noticed that unseated cable the first time round, the customer shouldn't have had to bring it back a second time. Its Best practice to check Modular PSU cables are seated properly at both ends whenever a system has a modular PSU, its not impossible for them to be jarred free if the system takes a good bump. Finally the big clue theirs an 6/8 pin PCIE power problem is the red LED. Red = bad Blue=Good. Every PCIE GPU with 6/8 pin that ive seen has this red/blue diagnostic LED (even really cheap cards) to show if its happy with the 6/8pin power.
If you find modular Power supply connector heat damage due to a bad connection , one had better inspect the male pin within the power supply connector itself as the heated male pin itself might have melted the inside of the power supply modular connector and not be inserting all the way into its counterpart , it will burn up the bad connection again if this is not addressed.. Pc power and cooling used to stress that's why they did not make power supply's with modular cables do to issue of bad connections doing just that.. we use dielectric grease to ensure connections do not develop high resistance given the high current they are subjected too..
That poor PCIe 12V has been running on two wires with the other 6 being intermittent and arcing which completely fried the connector... this could easily have caused a fire. Now you know why you have to push your connectors in and make sure you're properly seated, and use the right gauge of wire. Just don't expect that connector to ever come back out because a bit of current will weld the contacts together solid.
I didn't expect that this random video could raise me so many questions about my build. I had gpu stability problems (rx 5700xt LOL) and I solved it by using instead of the standard split 8 pin + 8 pin cable, 2 separate cables coming from the psu 12v rail. Thing is, my PSU is an RM 750i, basically the same one. According to msi afterburner's graphs, I wasn't getting enough power before, but if that card can be driven by a single cable, why can't mine? It is just using 290W at peak,and 62 amps should be more than enough for my gpu. Is my psu crippled or what? 🤔
I think it would be a good solution to stick an LED on a 5V or 3V3 rail. Still, some laptops only power (don't know really for newer ones) USB when the laptop is powered ON. So, an USB device with an LED would be useful in that case.
Don't mind me, I've run out of things to watch so I am checking out some of your back catalog. I am going to be another one of "those guys" because I want to type something out (since it helps the algorithm). I am also a person that thought about 3 minutes in, "check the power." This is completely useless to say now and then but perhaps it helps me to feel better about how awesome I am heh...
I have 3 1080 Ti cards of this Asus variety, and only one of them has had this 3x-fan-at-100%-speed issue, and it only occurs after the card hit around over 55~60°C. Which likely means this is an issue with the card's BIOS or with it's software-set thermal curve.
FYI - So RUclips in its infinite wisdom has picked up this video to showcase my channel... This isn't one of my good videos. It was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening.
Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes. Also the customer did swap out to dual PCI-E power cables afterwards - so rest easy on that.
I wouldn't throw it out - It did show a logical troubleshooting scenario, and the easy trap that newbies can fall into. It reinforces the lesson to check ALL connections, at both sides of a cable, before condemning a card.
You could make it 2min with rants and all...
big oof
No worries m8... It made me subscribe to your channel (for what it's worth).
Adamant IT The free version of DaVinci Resolve limits gpu usage to 50% maximum. The Studio version allows full utilization.
YT is suddenly recommending this to everyone lol.
Tell me about it... this isn't exactly one of my favourite videos either, it was just a chill-out ramble video I made in the christmas wash - that week or so before Christmas when you've finished everything that needs to be done before the holiday and there's not much else happening.
Another time I probably would've thrown out this video because as numerous others have pointed out, it's a solution I should've found in five minutes.
@@Adamant_IT you also should never reuse a bad cable(i understand it may still work fine but with out replacing the pins you will never know for sure), especially one that has doubled ends on it like this one does. that gpu should have 2 dedicated cabled from the psu to it.
yes but why ;(
No complaints from me.
@@ramair325 I can easily over heat a double end cable and crash my rx vega 56.
I just found this channel today and I cannot stop watching his videos, very educational.
Same
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Same. Gotta be honest though, first seeing this guy I thought he looked a bit funny with that scraggly goatee but he’s good at what he does.
We’ve all been there; now we stay for the content :P
i watch it daily like it was netflix hahahaha
Coincidentally, I did my first PC build about two weeks ago, with exactly that Corsair case and PSU. I commited no rookie mistakes because of this channel, my main source of research to finally got where I am today, typing from my new PC. Thanks Graham!
God damn, I kept thinking "hey this bloke looks really familiar" then realised you used to go into Netplay when my daughter Siana was working there :) I'm the nutter bloke with the three wheel van and still often messing around with PC's. I seem to remember you being out with Tom and his brothers one night and we had a right ol' chat about PC's.
Bri’ish ass comment
Also because it was a ramble video I didn't bother with a thumbnail :P
However I did give DaVinci Resolve a go. The shortcut keys for it are frustrating, it's really really designed to be used with the Black Magic editing desk stuff. Also still no GPU accelerated exporting, which is really what I'm looking for.
Have you tried resolve again? GPU acceleration is now supported and export speeds are, in my opinion, rapid. It is designed with the BM desk and wheels but everything can be done with m&k (again imo) and shortcuts now have a few preset options, like after effects mode and vegas mode where common shortcuts are the same as they are in those programs.
The melting around the power supply pins at 32:20 is similar to the recent (late 2022) spate of issues regarding the PCIE 12VHPWR connector used with Nvidia RTX 40 series cards. In both cases the melting is caused by incomplete insertion of the power connection.
except in this case it was actually unproperly inserted 😂
Saw your video on diagnosing shorts and then scrolled through your videos to see if I could find a repair that’s related to my issue and voila! This Xmas video is exactly what I’m going through.
My 2080 ti fan spins at 100% and won’t post. Going to replicate exactly what you did here to rule issues with the power supply out.
I had switched my card from PCIe slot 1 to 2 and it temporarily fixed my issue and now my card won’t post when starting it up cold.
So I took the card apart and the original thermal paste application was poor so I reapplied paste. It worked temporarily when I booted it up but the next day it didn’t post until I let it run for a few hours and restarted it
It’s currently working now but my computer won’t sleep automatically and it just stays on. I know as soon as I turn it off it won’t post. So thank you for your videos, tutorials, real world examples and I’ll make sure to spread the word.
imagine being recommended this video and not finding it on your own by searchin' up computer fixing stuff. Nice channel, my dude! Informative so far, and will definitely be helpful.
I build and fix computers myself but love this channel it is so honest and genuine.
I used to work for the Service Dept at Fry's Electronics (till they went out of business). A lot of the troubleshooting techniques you displayed here are excellent! I am very impressed. A great show of skill and experience!
I was surprised how many mid to high end cases don't have 5.25" drives. I know I am in the minority here, but I absolutely still use optical media for both read and write (archive quality blue ray backups should be more common). I ended up going with a fractal define r5 even though it is old
I just switched over to nvme. And it's really a giant performance difference between HDDs and those SSDs.
I use optical drives all the time. And most of the usb drives don’t last. I will always use a case with a bay even if I didn’t use it all the time. More convenient that way
On my last build It was 3 years before I ever needed to use the DVD drive. thought it was dead when I finally needed to use it. Turned out I never actually connected it when I built the system, lol.
it seems odd how much space cases have in the region that was normally used for that. Steps backwards. Getting rid of the mounting options should mean getting rid of the dead space
@@omegaPhix op was talking about odds not hdds
18:05 I always feel a little anxiety when people put their non-covered drinks next to their open computers :-(
And more worried when it's not your computer, and it's from a costumer. This guy should work for Verge
All i keep thinking is static and that jumper, i wouldn't be happy seeing a tech touching my computer like this :s
@@LtdResources This isn't the 90's. ESD doesn't happen that frequently as it used to ;)
@RJ Games Productions Quarterbacks cannot function unless the team of arm-chair quarterbacks tell him what to do after the fact when it can do no good.
@@dakoderii4221 funny, I like your comment
have not worked with this corsair case but hard to beat the practicality of the nzxt 500 series. Just an absolute joy to work with.
Just subscribed..... love your straight forward approach and calm demeanor, makes viewing your videos very enjoyable.....thx (a brit in california)
... its had a melted PCI-e port by the PSU that didn't fit in properly either way... he cleaned it up enough for a connection between the GPU and the PSU which got the video card working again... Very well done! Though, since this video was made about a year ago, I hope the customer who owns this PC got a new PCI-e cable replacements.
I finally guessed one right! Noticed the RGB flashing about 10 seconds before you did.. thought it was a reflection from the fans at first.
That is unbelievable... The time you saw the power supply connector I would have replaced it with a new one.
Good Work!
I agree with you on RGB... I think it's a great way to add some customization to each and every build. If you don't want it, turn it off. If you want bright and loud, turn it up. Good job on the power supply cables though, I know a lot of techs that would probably skip that step and recommend a new graphics card off the bat. Just be careful with that coffee around an open and powered system though. :) *Edit* Also - one of my new favorite channels, from a tech in the US. Keep up the content.
Yeah my first case/RGB ecosystem was Deepcool Captain RGB Pro v2 240mm Deepcool CF120 aRGB fans x 6 in a Deepcool Matrexx70aRGB, with Vengeance LED ddr4, but I recently switched to Corsair Crystal 680x and Corsair H100i RGB Pro XT 240mm with x8 QL120 fans and put Vengeance RGB Pro in my rig instead, because I just wanted unlimited options really lol.
13:10 "I'm gonna power this on and that should be the end of the video."
Morgan Freeman Voiceover: "It was not the end of the video."
Great video and yes this is more common than ppl realize. I had 2 come in in less than 3 weeks that had loose cables arcing and melting connectors, 1 was even on the cpu power connector. Ppl get lucky and all they needed was new cables. As a result of issues way back in the 90's the PSU is the first thing I inspect thoroughly and no not with a voltage meter lol.
Always fun to sit and guess along... Once it posted on the other system I thought "hmm PSU-cables perhaps since the other card just used one 8-pin?". Such a great feeling when you're correct :) Great and fun videos Adamant! Consider me a subscriber
Please keep going making these videos, it makes me to learn a lot of stuffs even if i didn't build any PC's. Awesome video.
Tbh, I hadn't owned a pc in 15 years, since probably '03 or so, and built my first last year... I loved the whole process of it, was really quite enjoyable. The moment the card didnt light up though, and you putting in the RX 570 worked, it immediately made me think about the secondary 8 pin connector, and then that is actually the problem, I just figured it had been unplugged but that looked so much more serious lol.
Just for anyone whos wondering this is my PC and i brought it in to Graham. It is my first time build and know i made mistakes. The cable into the PSU seemed like it had clipped in but after having problems i knew it needed to be fixed by a professional.
Good on you for giving it a go! It's a much better job than many other first time builds!
One thing I'd like to point out, you only used one cable to the GPU, with the two plugs on it. I'm not a fan of the small pigtails like that, as it puts all the current for the GPU onto one connector at the PSU side. It's not spreading the load, increasing the current on the pins at the PSU side, and therefore the heating. On high power cards (>200W) I would always use two separate cables from the PSU to the GPU, as it lowers the current on each pin on the PSU, provide more conductors up to the GPU, and generally lower any voltage drop to the GPU (And heating of the cables and pins).
Not saying it can't be done the way you have it, especially if you are in a bind, but if you have the option, I'd try and use individual cables between the PSU and each GPU power connector.
The pins are technically rated at 13A, if they are to Molex Mini-Fit Jr. specs, but then if you have a bad connection, or bad seating like in this case, that's gonna drastically reduce the current carrying capacity, and lead to excessive heating, as you seen here.
Note to newbies - make sure your connectors are FULLY seated in the socket, or things start melting.
Not only what you said, but there is evidence that it can squeeze out just a hint more performance from the card when overclocking.
So true ^ i will never use a single cable for these kinda cards either :)
@Xcepter that depends on the PSU. With a 650W-750W you definitely need to split the load between the rails.
With a 1200W I haven't had issues at any point running the Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 powered by a single cable - undervolted/OCd.
You are all correct however that it is better practise to split the power load with 2 cables, both for the PSU strain and GPU performance.
But you guys are missing the poin that the PCIe power might be split on 2 different rails and might have a small voltage difference that would stress the VRMs.
Both cases have negatives.
@@mihailstanev8867 The voltage differences produced are usually negligible and the stress on the VRMs is hardly noteworthy.
If you connect both PCIe cables to the same rail you are more likely to notice performance decrease / throttling due to the OCP rather than the GPU VRM. If you connect them to PCIe slots on separate rails you are easing the load on the PSU and literally just letting the VRM do the job it's supposed to do, and that's regulate the voltage. Considering the cooling of the VRM is adequate, which manufacturers make sure that it is, it is not a point to concern yourself with.
Wow what a stuff up! Even for a first time builder. Check and double check your connections guys.
I once had a properly plugged in SATA power cable develop an intermittent connection after 2+ years which caused what appeared to be a motherboard malfunction.
A wee sprit of good electrical contact cleaner (that's safe for plastics and formulated with a tiny amount of lubricant and a water displacement) solved the issue.
I've found that said CC comes in especially handy when trouble-shooting oxidized old components and rigs.
I guess the clue is that everything lights up brighter than everything else apart from the graphics card, great video, thank you
And here I thought I know hardware... Well not as well as a guy that could pass for an electrical engineer. I'm super surprised that card still worked. And that the PSU didn't get damaged. Wow. A testament to why you buy good quality parts while some POS PSU can just blow out even with normal use that Corsair took a beating and still works fine once you cleaned up the arc. Pretty amazing. Great vid.
Power supply issue, you just said it as I typed it. Loose connection or not enough real power going to it. Old video but, this is rather fun. I would put a volt meter in the + and - of "My" video power plug 8-pins to see the voltage and see what is actually going on. Customer's I'd be extremely careful and know what I'm doing (make sure the prongs can't touch or create other issues). My stuff is junk compared to a customer rig (no matter if it's cheaper quality or not, I don't want to pay for un-needed repairs. But BINGO you found the problem I bet. Ouch FORCED Entry, and bet it's zapped many times. Ouch! Power supply side look okay? I have to say, I really didn't expect to see that result for that issue. Expected the card to have some problem, but trying a different power supply would have led to seeing the problem (hopefully). Good call on 1st time build/loose plug @ power supply.
Really enjoy listening to you waffle on about computers
i am impressed ... a good steady display of applied logic
I love your humility. Good stuff.
I'm tempted to do a RGB build, never did one before. I was able to spot that before you zoomed in. I always connect the cables to the power supply before putting it in the case.
32:37 clearly, the connector is showing signs of heat stress, the likely cause being arcing,
closer examination of the corresponding pin would confirm that.
Either the PSU is not up to par in providing suitable power level -or- the connector was not
properly inserted during the computer assembly.
The cable will have to be replaced and PSU checked for integrity.
Discovered this as RUclips subscribed, it's unfortunate that that small error of not making sure everything is fully pushed in. But any first time builder can't make mistakes I did with my very first ever Athlon Barton 2500+ back in 2000. I didn't connect the power supply to the cable that goes to the wall lol thought I'd instantly bricked my system.
But I'd of contacted the customer and have told him the error and he'd have to buy a new PSU
a hard drive LED is most important! I had a bad sata cable for a SDD drive, and the hard drive LED kept going on full tilt which indicated to me that there was an issue with one of the 2 drives, -- after trying different sockets on the main board, the issue continued. Finally, once I replaced the cable on one of the drives, I no longer had a stuck drive (also had long boot times and the LED light went full tilt even in BIOS). Yes you want a HDD/SDD LED light. It is a good indicator if you are booting as well
Yea. Indicator LEDs are a dying breed, especially on laptops. They're a lot like extra ports, people never use them - but when you need them, you _need_ them.
We need HDD LED's how do we know if anything is still happening when Windows 10 takes forever to load after an update.
To be fair my case I recently built in, a Phanteks p500a doesn’t have an HDD led. I miss it, as it’s a feature that I’ve remembered for 20+ years but I haven’t necessarily needed it
23:13 If you mount the radiator with the tubes down it may not look as nice, but it will reduce/prevent "splashing" sound and increase the lifespan of the pump. Because the way you are mounting it, air will collect at the top where the pump is and it might not get as lubricated/cooled as it should. That is, if that radiator has a pump at the input/output.
Eventhough it was a simple solution I enjoy following along on the ride.
I do love my customer built pc repairs, very interesting to see how different folks think when building these computers. Sadly I have seen my share of pcs brought in that were completely nuked (Fried) from poor connection arcing or extra standoffs left behind the MB during their install. I've seen a lot in my repair years, some funny others, not so much ;)
I approve of your giant ass 980, you have to status signal someway right
Merry (late) Christmas and happy new year Adamant IT
just got the 570X myself, real nice case. in white with black and red components and cables.
Late to the party on this video (3 yrs). Killing the day watching videos, and was intrigued by your comments on the case...what are YOU using for gear these days? Could you do an "I use/ recommend/ like/ dislike" video?? Cheers!
I'm binging your old videos and it's been very interesting.
You provide great service and I wish I had someone like you here locally.
Greetings from the U.S.
Some thoughts, if the power supply is modular or semi-modular, this you should check both sides of the cable early in the process, maybe save some time.
I don’t need to watch these videos, as I have over 20 years experience doing this professionally but I love to listen to you while I work, my coworkers don’t talk much and rarely about IT work
Something about a British accent really screams “IT” and I have no idea why!
Thanks, I found it interesting.
For me, Its always a nightmare working on a customer self-build 😸
Good diagnostic, Adamant. Well done.
Sheet metal squareness, between both the case back and the bracket are common reasons for cards to work themselves out of their slots over time.
I like how Lenovo integrated its laptop power led into the dot of the I in the logo.
I suppose thats the only cool thing that they have ever done besides the total garbage it hardware that they manufacture.
First thing i saw here is actually the extension cables. I never really liked using mod cable at all if its just for aesthetics. I rather have it directly connected instead of extension even if its a non-braided ketchup and mustard case
Always enjoy your videos.
Wishing you a wonderful 2020
I'd flat out recommend getting a new PSU as I, personally, would not feel safe using that PSU as it is.
At the very least I'd throw that pci-e power cable away and put tape over the port on the psu so it's never used again.
@@alexgr0111 I mean that would be a good solution. But considering how much force has been used id get the new psu for safety. cus i am that type of person. lol
@@OrionHartwick The PSU itself is fine, it doesn't get damaged because one of the external cables got hot. It was not higher power draw than normal, just that it went trough only a few contacts, which caused a lot more heat, and got the plastic to melt. Problem is that he also bend the connections when he forced them in. So yeah i would not use that connection anymore, but the PSU is fine.
@@deco2430 Exactly, although plugging the cable back in should've straightened the connector so there shouldn't be any other problems other than the plastic on the connector being warped which isn't that big of a deal.
@@secondary5913 The type of metal they use on the female connector pins can loose it's springyness and not make as good a contact even when properly inserted. It's also possible for a thin film of that charred plastic to ooze inside and coat some of the contact surface, reducing it's current carrying capacity.
No, the only thing to do with that cable is replace it and mark/tape that PSU socket as unserviceable. Any other course of action will cause tears later on.
excellent channel one of my favorite relating to computer tech
Why don't you solder in a 1K resistor on both the 12 V and 5V line on the Antec? That will quickly drain the stored charge and not consume much power.
coming at this from a general electronics background, once a high current connector is arc/heat damaged it MUST be replaced before further use. even if the quick fix works that connection will now be high resistance, that means heat, that means potential for more damage in the future and maybe worse. at the very least I would have checked the temperature of that connector after the graphics test to see if its heating up when the card draws current.
I really like the case, being someone who's never had any major problems with them, and their updated iCUE is a lot less of a hog than it used to be. I actually had a laptop that iCUE would just crash after like a second of appearing until the redesign
I always check the flux capacity. If the temps hits 88c it blasts me back to playing retro games.
I worked in a computer store many years ago and have seen a couple of not-so-great customer builds. One in particular, they didn't use the MB spaces, so they screwed the MB directly to the case. Nothing shorted though iirc
The video is long as hell, but the best part... i love watching it till the end!! Super Crazy Knowledge. Thank YOu!!
I never tire of your content mate!!!
I had a Seasonic PSU cook the end of a pcie plug once, I think it had to of been the pins in the plug wasn't crimped on the wire in my case, I put a new end on the wire and salvaged 8 pin EVGA modular port off a junk PSU that fit perfect, just had to get the right pinout, Its still working 4 years later powering a 9700k and gtx1660.
It would have been worth pulling the PCIE power after the run up and seeing if any of the pins or housing felt warm.
Yesss i was so curious if the power suply had no problem when was the cable faulty. :)
I'll be honest, putting that melted cable back into the same pcie power port made me cringe a bit :/ I also wouldve busted out the multimeter to verify the cable was properly working
I take it the plug was like you say either arcing or it was that the other pins wern't connected in and that resulted in tons of current going through a single pin and therefore lots of heat. although the arching would explain why the LED's/power was flicking like mad due to voltage spikes.
Interesting.. I wouldn't have thought its "not plugged well" , though I might have reached that after checkng voltages to the card.
I have the exact same case, and yes you can top mount the rad' I have, and there is enough room (just) to run a 'push/pull' config' (4 fans)
Praise the Algorithmic Gods. didn't even tell me why it recommended your channel but i see a Tokyo Ghoul Unravel video in the suggested after this.. you know i'm watching that %.% yuss
now if that video isn't solid proof that people who don't know what they're doing should NOT build their own pcs, then i don't know what is. what a treasure trove of stupidity and sloppiness, did that guy from the verge bring this in? i've had cases like these myself a few times and i absolutely DID give those numbnuts a hard time about it, as their destructive dilettantism did end up costing them way more (in damaged hardware) than having me build the thing in the first place. thankfully, they all listened and consulted me first from then on.
This machine was waaaay better than that Verge monstrosity.
I had to check my new pc build powersupply connections, that it was connected properly. And yes it was done properly. So I quess always check you build for build mistakes!
“Cursory Tug” sounds like a great band name
I've just had this recommended again. Like 9 months later?
I was sat there thinking that card aint getting enough juice. A power supply can appear to work it can even show the right voltage but it can drop under load or not provide enough amps. Parts can degrade over time. If it had'nt been the cable.
Yes, but the 3 pin fans can be speed controlled through voltage…….but perhaps only on some boards.
Lian Li Lancool 2, Mesh Glass both sides and super solid build quality. PWM 140 mil fans and 1 120 Mil PWM fan....£96.99
Hi like your content watched a cpl vids in the past and like 5 in a row this evening. Just one question though for now. did putting up thumbnails improve your click through rate?
I don't do a lot of digging in my analytics, but I think doing thumbnails is helping out these days. The regular subscribers mostly don't care, but a decent thumbnail and catchy title very much helps with discovery, which is what leads to growth, and staves off stagnation.
I’m currently using this case and for some reason fresh out of the box, the cut out for the IO part of the mother board of the case is bent so i had to just go with it
I know an old Video but those Fans are Corsair SP120 RGB Pro Fans.... 3 Pin. The Elite are 4 Pin.
I use the Power LED as a HD LED if there isn't one present.
I could be wrong, but... If I remember correctly my RM850x (a black one) is NOT compatible with Type3 Corsair cables but only Type4. I know I'm late to the party... But you can tell your customer to check that out.
Flippin updates! They smart and wicked! Makes themselves appear in the worst possible moments!
Yea, I agree, don't think we need HDD LEDs any more. Mine is now my power LED as the blue one on my Zalman S2 case died, so I moved the HDD LED leads to the power indicator posts. The only need for a Reset button these days if for an RGB hub, LOL.
I've been wondering about the front mounting of the radiator. I've been told tubes on top will cause it to fail sooner than if the tube are on bottom.
As long as the top of the radiator is higher than the pump/CPU block, it'll be fine. However, hoses down may silence a gurgling cooler. The main issue that Gamer's Nexus where trying to warn people about was when the pump is the highest point in the system - that's when airtrap becomes an issue.
@@Adamant_IT thanks for responding really appreciate it.
31:30 That escalated quickly .. Thank for the 40 minutes of PCpr0n.
Having already had this system on your bench, reporting issues with the gpu, you *should have* noticed that unseated cable the first time round, the customer shouldn't have had to bring it back a second time. Its Best practice to check Modular PSU cables are seated properly at both ends whenever a system has a modular PSU, its not impossible for them to be jarred free if the system takes a good bump.
Finally the big clue theirs an 6/8 pin PCIE power problem is the red LED.
Red = bad Blue=Good.
Every PCIE GPU with 6/8 pin that ive seen has this red/blue diagnostic LED (even really cheap cards) to show if its happy with the 6/8pin power.
IK tried using DaVinci Resolve but all the videos I had rendered in Vegas just didn't work in DaVinci Resolve.
If you find modular Power supply connector heat damage due to a bad connection , one had better inspect the male pin within the power supply connector itself as the heated male pin itself might have melted the inside of the power supply modular connector and not be inserting all the way into its counterpart , it will burn up the bad connection again if this is not addressed.. Pc power and cooling used to stress that's why they did not make power supply's with modular cables do to issue of bad connections doing just that.. we use dielectric grease to ensure connections do not develop high resistance given the high current they are subjected too..
That poor PCIe 12V has been running on two wires with the other 6 being intermittent and arcing which completely fried the connector... this could easily have caused a fire. Now you know why you have to push your connectors in and make sure you're properly seated, and use the right gauge of wire.
Just don't expect that connector to ever come back out because a bit of current will weld the contacts together solid.
I didn't expect that this random video could raise me so many questions about my build. I had gpu stability problems (rx 5700xt LOL) and I solved it by using instead of the standard split 8 pin + 8 pin cable, 2 separate cables coming from the psu 12v rail. Thing is, my PSU is an RM 750i, basically the same one. According to msi afterburner's graphs, I wasn't getting enough power before, but if that card can be driven by a single cable, why can't mine? It is just using 290W at peak,and 62 amps should be more than enough for my gpu. Is my psu crippled or what? 🤔
Some power supplies when plugged into a 1080ti require the power rails plugged in a specific order to post...
Why did you mount the radiator with the tubes at the top? Or did I miss something and you mounted it properly with the tubes at the bottom?
2:16 he also put the power supply screws wrong
Well spotted 😁 damn
Maybe this is the reason that`s hard with connectors in that position...
I think it would be a good solution to stick an LED on a 5V or 3V3 rail. Still, some laptops only power (don't know really for newer ones) USB when the laptop is powered ON. So, an USB device with an LED would be useful in that case.
Don't mind me, I've run out of things to watch so I am checking out some of your back catalog. I am going to be another one of "those guys" because I want to type something out (since it helps the algorithm). I am also a person that thought about 3 minutes in, "check the power." This is completely useless to say now and then but perhaps it helps me to feel better about how awesome I am heh...
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I have 3 1080 Ti cards of this Asus variety, and only one of them has had this 3x-fan-at-100%-speed issue, and it only occurs after the card hit around over 55~60°C. Which likely means this is an issue with the card's BIOS or with it's software-set thermal curve.
This is then a good reason to maybe update the gpu bios because its actually an issue.
13:20 And the Real Ass Dude of the Millenium award goes to
Power LEDs are cool, until you get an AeroCool Cylon and it's so bright that it can light up the room and blind you if you look directly at it.
Very enjoyable laid back content. What part of the old country are you from?
Shaftesbury, Dorset
@@joe7737 Nice - I grew up just outside Bath.