I have encountered bent pins many times, each time trying a different method or tool to straighten them out. The best method i found (i swear i tried them all) was not the knife blade or tweezers to straighten the pins but a lowly mechanical pencil. Strange, huh? How I did it was to draw in the lead so that it wasn't able to write and inserted the bent pin into the pencils steel shaft, then pulled the encased pin in the direction I needed to "unbend" the pin. The steel shaft normally holds the lead very stiff and it is remarkably strong compared to the bent pins. By enveloping the pin with the steel shaft, you are able to apply just enough force to straighten the pin, as you go along. A simple 45° or 90° bent pins are quick and easy to straighten,as most bent pins are like this. Aligning them to the other pins takes more time but if you do enough pin straightening, you will know how much strength you need to bend the pins "just enough" to align them in the direction you need. I have done a few CPU'S (AMD) with bent pins and only a few less sockets using all kinds of techniques and testing various tool, noting my successes andfailures along the way. Thanks to friends with heavy hands and NO money to buy replacement parts., they have given me New skills.
But that won't work on this type of pin, these are more like little fingers which lay at an angle, so you'd never get a mechanical pencil over them, your thinking of the older style straight pins and your method works very well for them.
@@TheRonskiman You are right.. I read i3/i5 and was thinking AMD bent pins. Intel bent pins are a nightmare. I tried unsoldering an intel socket and couldn't unbend a few bent pins to save my life!
Mechanical pencils were fantastic for fixing my bent 3900X pins, thought this expensive CPU was gone for sure. The pins were bent like 90 degrees and they were near the middle of the CPU. Luckily, am currently typing from said 3900X machine :P
Little tip Graham - Get a propelling pencil - remove the lead then use it to bend pins back it slides over and restraightens the pin then you can just move the pins back easily been using that technique since AMD Duron chip!
I used PC Specialist twice for office pc's at work and found the build quality pretty good. I did not go for a ready made option though, but custom components. I found their website very good for choosing exactly which components I wanted so I always got a good pc without the hassle of building 20 or more for a decent price. Better than the generic Dell's of previous.
*shudders* don't remind me of bent CPU pins! That happened to me when I was building my computer and I needed to re-seat the CPU! Fortunatly the CPU survived the "surgery" I had to do on it straightening the pins but still, that's one part of my life I never want to re-live.
It's nice that you explained heat exchange on that type of air cooler, all coolers look shiny and perfect, and even that cooler is far from perfect, All coolers are far from perfect since the dawn of Pcs, the reason is this. The metal that looks nice and shiny and perfectly fine, actually at high magnification has a vast amount of impurites, pits, lines and bumps. these impurities can cause very tiny heat pockets to develop, so that is why thermal compound is used. So to end the debate on how much compound you need; You should only need a small amount spread like butter over the cpu, a very thin layer, as all your aiming to do with it is fill those metal to metal impurities in both the cooler and the cpu's IHS.
At the end of the day, you've got nothing to lose. The mobo is toast if the pins don't get fixed. Makes things a lot less nerve wracking when it's an all-or-nothing repair!
Had to do pin repair on a brand new Ryzen cpu out of the box. Heart fell out of my chest when I saw it but was thankful I got it pushed back and posted
You should've sent it back to the manufacturer. Had you attempted to repair it and it broke, they likely wouldn't've have given you a new one, let alone a refund.
who else trys to predict possible diagnostic issues as the video repairs progress...😂💻..... luv ur vidz My Guy, there so theraputic and informative...👍
I re alligned the pins on my MSi Z270 Gaming m5 as well and one pin was missing but that luckily wasn't an essential pin. All good motherboard is working without issues.
The h310m is a decent budget board. It runs 8th and 9th gen cpus but needs the bios update for 9th gen. I have run i5s in that board or similar, it can run i7s too but I would not put an i7 in it nor do any overclocking.
This happend to me 2x i bent 2 pins while removing the cpu for an upgrade. First it was a celeronG3900 than i got the i3 6100 and than the i7 7700. Good thing is they were ground pins. but i didnt bend anything i removed the cpu straight up with no problem, its like the cpu is bending theme al the time. Thats why i got R7 2700X now, its simpeler to install and mentain !
What Is a matter with the lga 1200? You might want to assume he touched it somehow but there wasn't fingers worth of pins. It didn't even look the the whole processor fell in there. The same thing happened to me three times now. The last example one on the edge popped out and was propped up by the plastic sidewall in a corner. It popped back in place but that board; a still no post asrock h570 steel legend that I have taken out the processor 2 times, and put it in 3 as I built it and had no drops. Other one was a brand new HD b560 asrock that was working fine after a new build and I wanted to try the h570 in 10100f i3 to see if it was faulty had no post, I t/s and eventually noticed two pins laying flat on the socket bed. I tried rebending them but bent a lot around them and lost the point of reference and then broke a pin or two and couldn't fix it. I had got that to replace a msi no post b560 board, after looking at it again;I see at least 3 isolated pins discolored. I asked msi for help and they just closed my ticket with no answer or anything. At least the asrock guy told me I can try to resend them. But there is no template and the more you have in one spot the harder they are to get to perfect height. They look to be bent in 3 directions, which until seeing you do it here, I wasn't sure how to go about it so thanks I have been subbed to you for a while and I never found this video until just now. So weird.
Odd trick for this; use a hypodermic needle. I had some on hand for filling joints on woodworking repairs with glue, and a clean one turned out to be pretty much perfect for this because the hole gives you a little 'spoon' shape that makes guiding the pins way easier. Also less likely to cut anything by accident.
My older M/B had the exact same problem. It's sitting in my parts box, as we speak. I could have sworn the CPU was compatible according to the Specs listed in the m/b hardware guide - but obviously not!
Metal plating is at the molecular level and does not produce a thermal barrier. The only time you need to be concerned is if there are two physical pieces that are merged together, in which case there will be air barriers (that's the purpose of paste. When liquid metal is used as the interface the air barrier is removed and that's why liquid metal is so good (but dangerous)
I also like using just a razor blade , never done it on an Intel board, just on a few AMD chips, I like to run it between the rows and wiggle side to side, easily straightens all bent pins in any given row at once!!! unless of course you get some that are completely layed over lol. Then gotta get them up first 😘 awesome video 👍
putting those pin back in place is like diffusing a bomb haha i tried those with an old cpu. after 1 hr of trying i threw it away and just bought a new one
For CPU pins i use a credit card if the offending pin is alittle bent, the card allows you to straighten the pin back all around it gently using the rest of the pins near it. Or if it's unsavable then i also use the very same credit card to go buy a new one (while crying)
HWinfo64 is a great system monitor, especially with newer components. The 8350K on a H310 chipset based motherboard is such a waste of a K chip. That i3 8350K can basically run at 5GHz flat out on 4 cores with no problems but, without a Z-series chipset like the Z370 or Z390, the 8350K will just run at 4GHz. I would at least fish for an Z370 ASUS Prime or P board just to get it overclocking. I found a Z370 Aorus Gaming 7 for $145 and a $280 GOLDEN 8700K that does 5.3GHz with 1.380v. Or 5GHz with just 1.250v. It'll even run 5.4GHz with AIR or Water. I haven't even open up the IHS to use Liquid metal on it. i have everything i need but, the chip ran so good right out of the box, i just left it be. 8700K's tray CPU's can be found for $205 now. I picked up a few myself. Just gotta know where to look.
I had bent pins on a board one time, I sorted it out though, bought another board lol. Seriously they were bad, so bad I did try but gave up hence the new board. I only had a magnifying glass and holding thant and trying to bend the pins was hard, I since bought a stand alone magnifyer which comes in handy for other hard to see jobs.
watching this gave me ptsd, if its one thing i hate doing is trying to realign bent pins i personally use a paperclip, it slips between the grooves perfectly
Odd that you mentioned the bios update file issue. BMW cars have a flash update issue, that in some cases, the downloaded, zipped update file will not flash successfully to the car's module if you unzip it and use the unzipped files payload only. Fix is to include both the zipped file [raw download] and the unzipped files in the same flash file and perform the re-flash procedure with the "dual" contents. Perhaps, in some cases, the MB or module wants the zipped file and unzips it itself. Just a guess that the firmware dosen't know what to do with an unzipped file? In any case this is an interesting parallel between PCs and automotive. Cheers.
Never understood how people bend pins so often and easily, I’ve never bent a pin in my life but I’ve straightened absolutely fu*king loads! Edit: A Stanley blade??? 😗😬🙄
Anne sounds good you know soon as you mention Ur Test PSU I kinda knew where you were going with it, so I Cresent it Anne, Or Big Ann, Big Annie. Also ever since you mentioned not tighten up the CPU screws or any other PC one,, cuz it's not going to be trading in bumpy steers, cuz it's not a car it Stuck with me, so I now apply that method, every time.
Name the 1000W Antec Big Wally. Looks like a good job on the pins, but I would not have reinstalled the i3 but just gone right to the i5 so I would only have to do it once. In truth, that 4-pin and VRM are fine since that's not an OC-capable board, right.
Graham clearly knows what he's doing and I've learnt many diagnostic tips from watching his videos. But I hold my breath every time he just perches the CPU cooler on the heatspreader during testing, with no mounting pressure or replacement of TIM. Those idle temps on the i3 in BIOS - 65 degrees C - ouch!
Yeah, I know - for testing, it's fine. And since you're running a business, unnecessary fussing costs money. No disrespect meant. But, as an enthusiast who has to save up for increasingly expensive parts, I just wouldn't trust myself. I'd probably accidentally knock the damn thing clear off the heatspreader!
Nice video. If I was ever in a broken pin situation I'll probably just buy a new motherboard. Also wondering Is it possible to replace an entire CPU socket?
I have a H410 and a ASUS GTX 1070. H410 is a cheap MB, but it does whats its suppose to do. Got it for USD 50, the Z series can cost up to USD 500 in my country. But even my H410 comes with 8 pin and not 4 pin.
80 defrees on the VRM is absolutely ok you should worry if they go above 100 and start the panic if u hit 120... its prolly just coz u dont like ASUS boards as u said which unfortunately for u are among the best ones on the market...
Yea I've got to say I've buried the hatchet with Asus now - especially over the period of the current generation where I've absolutely had more issues with other brands than Asus. Times change!
U seem to know what u are talking about aswell, the thing is if on that asus website it says that microchip is compatible to that motherboard why would it go over 100 etc?
I despise Asus graphics cards. They either have poor cooling or are overpriced. However, I love Asus budget motherboards. Asus won't throw away their reputation to save pennies although Asus might use a weak cooler (or no cooling). I use a horizontal cooler on cheap/simple boards to make sure the board gets cooled.
the 8 pin power for the CPU is not really necessary unless you have a higher end CPU that draws a ton of power i thought. meaning that motherboard is fine for an i3 or i5, but any higher you really shouldnt bother with that kinda motherboard
Not strictly true about pc specialist. They give you drop down boxes to choose your parts. My first ever "custom" pc was from them before I learned any DIY. It was an i7 4820k in an asua p9x79le mobo. I'm sure they do prebuilt where you cant choose the parts though maybe? Alot of other PC builder companies DO use trash mobos and generic RAM though for sure.
Loving the channel and working my way through them. BUT is it necessary to comment that something is cheap. People build to budget and shouldn't be called out as a personal opinion. Other than that great videos.
"Cheap" usually doesn't last as long as quality and I feel that builders are trying to make a quick buck with these. VRM's are so important to motherboards and the audience were advised of this.
@@petelyden8193 I appreciate that however if your car went into for a service and they pointed out it was a cheap car it could be considered offensive. BUT! damn you have some skills - most I thought were lost so nice work
How can these pins bend in the first place? Assuming the CPU is well placed when it's built, nothing can happen, right? Gravity after a few years, perhaps, along with heat? I am puzzled...
Usually someone fumbling the chip while putting it in the socket. It's quite common for people to be so anxious about screwing it up that they handle the chip like it's a poisonous spider and then drop one corner.
They installed the MB first and then tried to put the cpu in the socket.....dropping it on the pins once or twice in the process and pushing it in without checking first. I know because I have done it too many times lol.......
I have to say I've only seen a handful of your videos so far, but lots of these PCs you work on have some strange components to say the least. Maybe weird generic PC parts are more prevalent in the UK than US.
How is it possible to bend the pins like that with a CPU thats completely flat on the underside? And if you dropped the CPU in the socket on the side or something, wouldn't you have noticed and then said that that's waht happened?
Hi, have you ever tried to fix a CPU which has a missing broken-off pin?? I've an AM4 Ryzen with a broken off pin on outside edge. The mobo won't post with it missing (I was hoping it would be a ground pin or something). With the current cost of CPUs I'm tempted but also wondering whether a repair would be any good... and I concede it mightn't be :)
If you are extremely handy with a fine tip soldering iron, you may be able to attach a tiny piece of copper wire to the pad that remains. It would not be a fun job though.
The 4 pin connector is limited to maybe 150w or so. This is fine for most CPUs, but might bring in power limits on high end CPUs. Motherboards with a 4pin connector generally have weaker VRMs and are designed for low end CPUs - so generally it's just a sign of a low-end mobo.
It's not necessary. All CMOS parts made in the last 25 years have static protection circuitry on the pins to prevent static damage. This is basically mandatory given how dust builds up in computers and gets massaged by the cooling air flow. Touching something metal is sufficient to discharge any residual static, and having an environment that doesn't promote static helps as well, but all modern CMOS parts are resilient against most casual static discharges that would hit them during servicing
It’s interesting how you’ve had so many bad experiences with ASUS boards that it’s soured your opinion of them whereas I’ve had the absolute opposite experience! I personally don’t trust/rate Foxconn boards (do they even still make them?) Biostar and for some reason I’m a little suspicious of MSI boards 🤔
Same here, I had an Asus Rampage III E that lasted for nearly a decade without issue. I upgraded to a CH8 board a few months ago and it's not given me a single issue.
I've had nothing put problems with Asus myself, and MSI has been the only one that I haven't ever had an issue with between Gigabyte, Asus and MSI ( never used any other brands from that). I guess it all depends on the lottery haha.
Can't remember where I got it I'm afraid! Think it was a cheap one on eBay, lots of chinese sellers with cheap mats if you don't mind waiting a couple of weeks.
I have encountered bent pins many times, each time trying a different method or tool to straighten them out. The best method i found (i swear i tried them all) was not the knife blade or tweezers to straighten the pins but a lowly mechanical pencil. Strange, huh? How I did it was to draw in the lead so that it wasn't able to write and inserted the bent pin into the pencils steel shaft, then pulled the encased pin in the direction I needed to "unbend" the pin. The steel shaft normally holds the lead very stiff and it is remarkably strong compared to the bent pins. By enveloping the pin with the steel shaft, you are able to apply just enough force to straighten the pin, as you go along. A simple 45° or 90° bent pins are quick and easy to straighten,as most bent pins are like this. Aligning them to the other pins takes more time but if you do enough pin straightening, you will know how much strength you need to bend the pins "just enough" to align them in the direction you need. I have done a few CPU'S (AMD) with bent pins and only a few less sockets using all kinds of techniques and testing various tool, noting my successes andfailures along the way. Thanks to friends with heavy hands and NO money to buy replacement parts., they have given me New skills.
Nice.
But that won't work on this type of pin, these are more like little fingers which lay at an angle, so you'd never get a mechanical pencil over them, your thinking of the older style straight pins and your method works very well for them.
@@TheRonskiman You are right.. I read i3/i5 and was thinking AMD bent pins. Intel bent pins are a nightmare. I tried unsoldering an intel socket and couldn't unbend a few bent pins to save my life!
Mechanical pencils were fantastic for fixing my bent 3900X pins, thought this expensive CPU was gone for sure. The pins were bent like 90 degrees and they were near the middle of the CPU. Luckily, am currently typing from said 3900X machine :P
and here i am using a straightened paperclip lmao
Little tip Graham - Get a propelling pencil - remove the lead then use it to bend pins back it slides over and restraightens the pin then you can just move the pins back easily been using that technique since AMD Duron chip!
Just found this channel and absolutely love it!
Same
same here!
i am watching it daily before sleep
@@felipebutcher Same here lol.
@@Syntax.error. LOL like it was a netflix series hahaahahhahaha
I use small empty pen to correct the bend pins. Just slide the pin in the hole and move it on the needed position.
I use a coffee stirrer . Also a pen ink tube can also work in a pinch
"My computer has a Titan"
"Oh wow I always wanted a titan graphics card"
"No, no - my cpu cooler is a brand called Titan"
You mean your power supply
When he was bending the pins, I was at the edge of my seat!!!
I used PC Specialist twice for office pc's at work and found the build quality pretty good. I did not go for a ready made option though, but custom components. I found their website very good for choosing exactly which components I wanted so I always got a good pc without the hassle of building 20 or more for a decent price. Better than the generic Dell's of previous.
*shudders* don't remind me of bent CPU pins! That happened to me when I was building my computer and I needed to re-seat the CPU! Fortunatly the CPU survived the "surgery" I had to do on it straightening the pins but still, that's one part of my life I never want to re-live.
fancy seeing you here!
It's nice that you explained heat exchange on that type of air cooler, all coolers look shiny and perfect, and even that cooler is far from perfect, All coolers are far from perfect since the dawn of Pcs, the reason is this. The metal that looks nice and shiny and perfectly fine, actually at high magnification has a vast amount of impurites, pits, lines and bumps. these impurities can cause very tiny heat pockets to develop, so that is why thermal compound is used. So to end the debate on how much compound you need; You should only need a small amount spread like butter over the cpu, a very thin layer, as all your aiming to do with it is fill those metal to metal impurities in both the cooler and the cpu's IHS.
well done, Mister, I have actually never attempted pin-damage, always fear this one the most.
At the end of the day, you've got nothing to lose. The mobo is toast if the pins don't get fixed. Makes things a lot less nerve wracking when it's an all-or-nothing repair!
Had to do pin repair on a brand new Ryzen cpu out of the box. Heart fell out of my chest when I saw it but was thankful I got it pushed back and posted
You should've sent it back to the manufacturer. Had you attempted to repair it and it broke, they likely wouldn't've have given you a new one, let alone a refund.
Annie seems fine as a name bro, thanks a lot for your videos
who else trys to predict possible diagnostic issues as the video repairs progress...😂💻..... luv ur vidz My Guy, there so theraputic and informative...👍
Just found this channel , been watching all the vids, some problems I have had with friends 💻 I've fixed. Great fella easy listening
I re alligned the pins on my MSi Z270 Gaming m5 as well and one pin was missing but that luckily wasn't an essential pin. All good motherboard is working without issues.
Call it 'Jeremy'.
Because 'POWERRRR!'
Wow great job. Didn't even know the Intel pins could be bent but then again I'm careful with mbs lol
The h310m is a decent budget board. It runs 8th and 9th gen cpus but needs the bios update for 9th gen. I have run i5s in that board or similar, it can run i7s too but I would not put an i7 in it nor do any overclocking.
I actually use an awl for this kind of stuff. works well, very precise.
This is the very reason why i rarely remove an intel CPU unless necessary. It scares me the most if i see one bend
This happend to me 2x i bent 2 pins while removing the cpu for an upgrade. First it was a celeronG3900 than i got the i3 6100 and than the i7 7700. Good thing is they were ground pins. but i didnt bend anything i removed the cpu straight up with no problem, its like the cpu is bending theme al the time.
Thats why i got R7 2700X now, its simpeler to install and mentain !
GG
LGA is a stupid design. It's just Intel shifted all of the RMA responsibility to the board manufacturers. Clever on their part.
What Is a matter with the lga 1200? You might want to assume he touched it somehow but there wasn't fingers worth of pins. It didn't even look the the whole processor fell in there. The same thing happened to me three times now. The last example one on the edge popped out and was propped up by the plastic sidewall in a corner. It popped back in place but that board; a still no post asrock h570 steel legend that I have taken out the processor 2 times, and put it in 3 as I built it and had no drops.
Other one was a brand new HD b560 asrock that was working fine after a new build and I wanted to try the h570 in 10100f i3 to see if it was faulty had no post, I t/s and eventually noticed two pins laying flat on the socket bed. I tried rebending them but bent a lot around them and lost the point of reference and then broke a pin or two and couldn't fix it.
I had got that to replace a msi no post b560 board, after looking at it again;I see at least 3 isolated pins discolored. I asked msi for help and they just closed my ticket with no answer or anything.
At least the asrock guy told me I can try to resend them. But there is no template and the more you have in one spot the harder they are to get to perfect height.
They look to be bent in 3 directions, which until seeing you do it here, I wasn't sure how to go about it so thanks
I have been subbed to you for a while and I never found this video until just now. So weird.
LGA pin-fixing skills excellent.
Odd trick for this; use a hypodermic needle. I had some on hand for filling joints on woodworking repairs with glue, and a clean one turned out to be pretty much perfect for this because the hole gives you a little 'spoon' shape that makes guiding the pins way easier. Also less likely to cut anything by accident.
My older M/B had the exact same problem. It's sitting in my parts box, as we speak. I could have sworn the CPU was compatible according to the Specs listed in the m/b hardware guide - but obviously not!
Metal plating is at the molecular level and does not produce a thermal barrier. The only time you need to be concerned is if there are two physical pieces that are merged together, in which case there will be air barriers (that's the purpose of paste. When liquid metal is used as the interface the air barrier is removed and that's why liquid metal is so good (but dangerous)
I also like using just a razor blade , never done it on an Intel board, just on a few AMD chips, I like to run it between the rows and wiggle side to side, easily straightens all bent pins in any given row at once!!!
unless of course you get some that are completely layed over lol. Then gotta get them up first 😘
awesome video 👍
An air can spray nozzle extension straw might help to straighten the cpu pins.
That is some surgeon skills there!
putting those pin back in place is like diffusing a bomb haha i tried those with an old cpu. after 1 hr of trying i threw it away and just bought a new one
For CPU pins i use a credit card if the offending pin is alittle bent, the card allows you to straighten the pin back all around it gently using the rest of the pins near it. Or if it's unsavable then i also use the very same credit card to go buy a new one (while crying)
H310 is compatible for 8th and 9th gen Intel CPUs and doesn't need a BIOS update.
If I made a mistake, feel free to correct it
HWinfo64 is a great system monitor, especially with newer components. The 8350K on a H310 chipset based motherboard is such a waste of a K chip. That i3 8350K can basically run at 5GHz flat out on 4 cores with no problems but, without a Z-series chipset like the Z370 or Z390, the 8350K will just run at 4GHz. I would at least fish for an Z370 ASUS Prime or P board just to get it overclocking. I found a Z370 Aorus Gaming 7 for $145 and a $280 GOLDEN 8700K that does 5.3GHz with 1.380v. Or 5GHz with just 1.250v. It'll even run 5.4GHz with AIR or Water. I haven't even open up the IHS to use Liquid metal on it. i have everything i need but, the chip ran so good right out of the box, i just left it be. 8700K's tray CPU's can be found for $205 now. I picked up a few myself. Just gotta know where to look.
I had bent pins on a board one time, I sorted it out though, bought another board lol. Seriously they were bad, so bad I did try but gave up hence the new board. I only had a magnifying glass and holding thant and trying to bend the pins was hard, I since bought a stand alone magnifyer which comes in handy for other hard to see jobs.
I've seen the pins bent to either side but never flipped over backwards. That's skill or effort
watching this gave me ptsd, if its one thing i hate doing is trying to realign bent pins
i personally use a paperclip, it slips between the grooves perfectly
Odd that you mentioned the bios update file issue. BMW cars have a flash update issue, that in some cases, the downloaded, zipped update file will not flash successfully to the car's module if you unzip it and use the unzipped files payload only. Fix is to include both the zipped file [raw download] and the unzipped files in the same flash file and perform the re-flash procedure with the "dual" contents. Perhaps, in some cases, the MB or module wants the zipped file and unzips it itself. Just a guess that the firmware dosen't know what to do with an unzipped file? In any case this is an interesting parallel between PCs and automotive. Cheers.
I know...old video but I gotta comment...FINALLY....yes FINALLY someone who pronounces Asus...correctly for once!
Never understood how people bend pins so often and easily, I’ve never bent a pin in my life but I’ve straightened absolutely fu*king loads!
Edit: A Stanley blade??? 😗😬🙄
You see loads of new motherboards with bent pins on ebay
it happens more with screw cooler fans. like adding alot of force
if the person replacing the CPU drops the CPU and it lands on the LGA it can and will bend pins.
Kaliban, well obviously 🤦🏻♂️
I wanna know how they bent so many pins in so many different places!
Anne sounds good you know soon as you mention Ur Test PSU I kinda knew where you were going with it, so I Cresent it Anne, Or Big Ann, Big Annie. Also ever since you mentioned not tighten up the CPU screws or any other PC one,, cuz it's not going to be trading in bumpy steers, cuz it's not a car it Stuck with me, so I now apply that method, every time.
A phrase I heard recently was 'Monkey tight, not gorilla tight,' which I thought described it very well.
you are awesome! I would have been buying a new MB.
Name the 1000W Antec Big Wally. Looks like a good job on the pins, but I would not have reinstalled the i3 but just gone right to the i5 so I would only have to do it once. In truth, that 4-pin and VRM are fine since that's not an OC-capable board, right.
also been working on a broken motherboard with alot of bent pins, took me roughly 3-4 hours to bend them back into place
I have 2 Maximus Vii boards that require pins bending back, but ive so not got the time.
Nice work Graham. Greetings
Graham clearly knows what he's doing and I've learnt many diagnostic tips from watching his videos.
But I hold my breath every time he just perches the CPU cooler on the heatspreader during testing, with no mounting pressure or replacement of TIM.
Those idle temps on the i3 in BIOS - 65 degrees C - ouch!
So long as it's less than 90 it's fine ;)
Obviously we want it to be less than that when we're done, but while we're testing, just keep it under 90!
Yeah, I know - for testing, it's fine. And since you're running a business, unnecessary fussing costs money. No disrespect meant.
But, as an enthusiast who has to save up for increasingly expensive parts, I just wouldn't trust myself. I'd probably accidentally knock the damn thing clear off the heatspreader!
Nice video. If I was ever in a broken pin situation I'll probably just buy a new motherboard. Also wondering Is it possible to replace an entire CPU socket?
I have a H410 and a ASUS GTX 1070. H410 is a cheap MB, but it does whats its suppose to do. Got it for USD 50, the Z series can cost up to USD 500 in my country. But even my H410 comes with 8 pin and not 4 pin.
vrms 123 degrees ??? damn thats hot. tmpin5 is usually the vram sensor isnt it.
To new builders, please be very careful when placing your CPU in the socket. One bent or broken pin would cause issues.
80 defrees on the VRM is absolutely ok you should worry if they go above 100 and start the panic if u hit 120... its prolly just coz u dont like ASUS boards as u said which unfortunately for u are among the best ones on the market...
Yea I've got to say I've buried the hatchet with Asus now - especially over the period of the current generation where I've absolutely had more issues with other brands than Asus. Times change!
U seem to know what u are talking about aswell, the thing is if on that asus website it says that microchip is compatible to that motherboard why would it go over 100 etc?
I despise Asus graphics cards. They either have poor cooling or are overpriced.
However, I love Asus budget motherboards.
Asus won't throw away their reputation to save pennies although Asus might use a weak cooler (or no cooling).
I use a horizontal cooler on cheap/simple boards to make sure the board gets cooled.
very interesting and well presented. i shall be lurking.
The latest BIOS update for that mobo adds two more VRMs.
That 4pin is good for up to 150w so, it will be fine
It may supply 150W, but the resistance is enough to cause a significant voltage drop when power draw spikes.
No spacers between the Motherboard and the thumbscrews. That's probably why they came off.
My eyes can't see the pins well enough to repair them
the 8 pin power for the CPU is not really necessary unless you have a higher end CPU that draws a ton of power i thought. meaning that motherboard is fine for an i3 or i5, but any higher you really shouldnt bother with that kinda motherboard
Not strictly true about pc specialist. They give you drop down boxes to choose your parts. My first ever "custom" pc was from them before I learned any DIY. It was an i7 4820k in an asua p9x79le mobo.
I'm sure they do prebuilt where you cant choose the parts though maybe?
Alot of other PC builder companies DO use trash mobos and generic RAM though for sure.
Incredible work!
Loving the channel and working my way through them. BUT is it necessary to comment that something is cheap. People build to budget and shouldn't be called out as a personal opinion. Other than that great videos.
"Cheap" usually doesn't last as long as quality and I feel that builders are trying to make a quick buck with these. VRM's are so important to motherboards and the audience were advised of this.
@@petelyden8193 I appreciate that however if your car went into for a service and they pointed out it was a cheap car it could be considered offensive. BUT! damn you have some skills - most I thought were lost so nice work
I', late as all hell, but the Antec should be called Auntie 1000
18:02 - 18:20 is definitely the best moment 😁
How can these pins bend in the first place? Assuming the CPU is well placed when it's built, nothing can happen, right? Gravity after a few years, perhaps, along with heat? I am puzzled...
Usually someone fumbling the chip while putting it in the socket. It's quite common for people to be so anxious about screwing it up that they handle the chip like it's a poisonous spider and then drop one corner.
Call it Gunther!
Nice surgery! Does anyone else freak out whenever they are holding a CPU?
They installed the MB first and then tried to put the cpu in the socket.....dropping it on the pins once or twice in the process and pushing it in without checking first. I know because I have done it too many times lol.......
the customer clearly wasn't as much of a *PC Specialist* as the manufacturer, or you :P
Just call her Annie: it's an Antec after all:)
I have to say I've only seen a handful of your videos so far, but lots of these PCs you work on have some strange components to say the least. Maybe weird generic PC parts are more prevalent in the UK than US.
is it me or did he delete (pc specialist bios) after flash
You may try a plastic credit card for straightening the pins of possible - far out
How is it possible to bend the pins like that with a CPU thats completely flat on the underside? And if you dropped the CPU in the socket on the side or something, wouldn't you have noticed and then said that that's waht happened?
Matilda . . for the Antec PSU
Another useful video. Thanks
great save
Love your chanel keep the videos comeing👍👍👍👊
Call the Antec power sulply "Maggie" ;)
should call the psu, HMS Hood
Call it Barnard!
great videos and love your channel
I have a question with the apu ryzen cpu chips , should you still get a post even though cpu doesn’t support onboard graphics, new build
No, the mobo will get stuck on 'vga' because it can't find a GPU. You'll need a graphics card in there before you can post-test.
Thanks sir
Hi, have you ever tried to fix a CPU which has a missing broken-off pin?? I've an AM4 Ryzen with a broken off pin on outside edge. The mobo won't post with it missing (I was hoping it would be a ground pin or something). With the current cost of CPUs I'm tempted but also wondering whether a repair would be any good... and I concede it mightn't be :)
If you are extremely handy with a fine tip soldering iron, you may be able to attach a tiny piece of copper wire to the pad that remains. It would not be a fun job though.
@@JodyBruchon Hi Jody, thanks for the replay - I am a bit shaky with a normal tip but I'm keen to practice and see if I can get this sorted out
may i ask why you think 4 pin power pin are bad a lot of boards that had a 4 pin only one died because of the 4 pin
The 4 pin connector is limited to maybe 150w or so. This is fine for most CPUs, but might bring in power limits on high end CPUs. Motherboards with a 4pin connector generally have weaker VRMs and are designed for low end CPUs - so generally it's just a sign of a low-end mobo.
@@Adamant_IT ohh kk ty
how ppl can damage those pins.
i dont get it
I notice you never seem to wear an antistatic strap? Any reason why?
It's not necessary. All CMOS parts made in the last 25 years have static protection circuitry on the pins to prevent static damage. This is basically mandatory given how dust builds up in computers and gets massaged by the cooling air flow. Touching something metal is sufficient to discharge any residual static, and having an environment that doesn't promote static helps as well, but all modern CMOS parts are resilient against most casual static discharges that would hit them during servicing
U never said which board you would put that 9600k into yourself...I'm saying an As Rock Z390 or Z370...
so, no XMP?
Im about to fix my 1st bend pin..
I'm curious to understand
It’s interesting how you’ve had so many bad experiences with ASUS boards that it’s soured your opinion of them whereas I’ve had the absolute opposite experience!
I personally don’t trust/rate Foxconn boards (do they even still make them?) Biostar and for some reason I’m a little suspicious of MSI boards 🤔
Same here, I had an Asus Rampage III E that lasted for nearly a decade without issue. I upgraded to a CH8 board a few months ago and it's not given me a single issue.
I've had nothing put problems with Asus myself, and MSI has been the only one that I haven't ever had an issue with between Gigabyte, Asus and MSI ( never used any other brands from that). I guess it all depends on the lottery haha.
What causes pins to bent in a socket?
Usually someone fumbled the CPU when fitting it.
Big Bertha
Great Job! Youre an expert! Nice to see youre channel! :-)
Jeff. Its name is Jeff.
Call it “Ellie May”
The 1000w should be called Anthony haha
hi, your videos are pieces of gold, thanks for sharing.
Can you link the that pad you have there?
Can't remember where I got it I'm afraid! Think it was a cheap one on eBay, lots of chinese sellers with cheap mats if you don't mind waiting a couple of weeks.
This is why PGA is better than LGA. Much easier to bend the pins back on a CPU than a mobo
Except the cpu is way more expensive (usually) so it's better to damage the motherboard.
Works both ways. A PGA CPU is also easier to damage than an LGA mobo.
I Vote Fanny for the Antec. After the Nanny in Fat Bottomed Girls.
Buster.... maby!