The ESPN opt out was revealed some time ago by FSU in its court pleadings. When ACC schools leave, ESPN can reach a new smaller deal with the remaining schools, and there should be remaining schools since many have nowhere else to go.
The schools with nowhere to go (Wake, Syracuse, Boston College, SMU, Cal, Stanford) will all end up being G5 schools. When the PAC was looking for a television deal, they still had some pretty good brands and their offers were terrible. IMHO, Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina, and Virginia have B1G/SEC hopes. Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State, Pitt, and Virginia Tech all have Big 12 hopes. I could see Wake, Syracuse, Boston College, and SMU in the AAC. I can see Cal/Stanford joining Oregon State and Washington State with the rest of the Mountain West re-forming the Pac, but re-forming it as a G5 conference. Who knows though, maybe Notre Dame will finally agree to join the B1G so long as the B1G takes Stanford too.
@@trclark7689 the question is how many teams the B1G, SEC, or Big 12 will take. How big will those conferences get? I agree that the schools that you listed do not have other homes. I am not sure if the Big 12 will take 6, If the other leagues do not grow as much as you may expect, others will also be left behind. No way the SEC takes Miami and I think that the B1G and Miami is an open issue. If BC and Syracuse wind up in a G5 league, it will be the ultimate karma. Neither of them have exactly been covered with glory in the ACC. If Cuse and BC had stayed in the Big East, it probably would have survived as a northeastern P6. The teams would have been Cuse, BC, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, UConn, Rutgers and a couple of other schools. When VaTech left, there was no bitterness from Big East fans, since VaTech really belonged with UVa in the ACC. Miami was a different story. After their glory years had passed, Miami was seriously in bad shape until they joined the BE and won national championships in the BE. Donna Shalala, president to U Miami gave a big speech thanking the BE and saying how joining the BE had saved the sport at the U. About two months later, Miami left the BE and joined the ACC. I guess that their gratitude did not mean much.
@@trclark7689 I don’t think that UNC and UVA are as attractive as many people think. The college athletic landscape has dramatically changed in the past decade. Football is everything now and generates 90% of the revenue. If you can only be good at one thing, it better be football. And the expectations for revenue generation are a major consideration. Neither of those schools are football schools and neither generates acceptable revenue generation.
@@505premotoI disagree to a point. Though football is king, the networks still want eyeballs and the conferences still want flagship Universities from markets that they don’t have, that’s what makes North Carolina and Virginia attractive to conferences and networks. Let’s not kid ourselves, the networks are running the show. If not for solidifying themselves in certain markets, the B1G would have never added schools like UCLA, Maryland, and Rutgers.
The UNC System Board of Governors back in February made it more difficult for the state schools that are part of it (UNC, NC State, etc.) to leave for another conference. They now have to ask permission to leave. They have to submit a financial plan to the president of the UNC System, who can approve or deny the plan. If it's approved the Board of Governors will review it and can deny or approve it. If they deny it, the school must go back and revise the plan, thus starting the approval process all over again. So the ACC will stay intact for now. Yes, FSU is suing to get out, we'll see how that goes. I live about 7 minutes from the UNC campus, and worked there for 6-1/2 years.
@@tatafreeman1 UNC would be the biggest to push back of the state schools, NC State could, but where would they go? They know UNC is the reason this rule is in place. UNC Systems has 17 schools in North Carolina. UNC is the flagship. They can't lose them.
Regarding the question asked around 1:40 - As they say in Rounders, "You can sheer a sheep many times but skin it only once." There is a difference between leverage and suffocation.
I think that the ACC will continue to be what it is, a basketball conference that plays a little football on the side. Nothing wrong with that except that the sports landscape has radically changed in the last decade. Now football generates 80-90% of the revenue. So there is going to be an enormous canyon between what a member school in the P2 gets every year and what a minor conference member school gets. I don’t think that the P2 will pick up the teams in the ACC that think they are beauty queens. It’s going to be a shock for them.
The problem is by 2028, SEC schools will be making 110 Million each and the ACC schools will be making 54 million each. That's just on the media deal. With the new CFB Playoff distribution, ACC schools will be down another 11 million to each the BIG/SEC. And the gap is even larger between the ACC/BIG. So combine those numbers with NIL $$$$ and the transfer portal and you have a big problem. A HUGE PROBLEM. It's why FSU/Clemson/UNC are trying to bail.
SMH...you clearly don't realize that the NETWORKS, NCAA leaders & Conference governors, are the Wizard of Oz in College Football. They are in control and pulling the strings and dictating the trajectory of the future of college football. The coaches are just pieces of the chess game like the players.
Josh, you need to read and follow filings in Florida in the case against the ACC. The ACC admitted two MAJOR facts. One while the GOR has an end date in 2036 the ESPN/ACC media contract currently end Feb of 2027. ESPN had an option to extend the contract to 2036 but it expired in Feb 2021 but the ACC Phillips illegally extended the deadline for the option to be exercosed in Feb 2025. However FSU has contested the extension of the option because there was no vote taken by the ACC members to approve the extension. Therefore there is a legal question if ESPN can still exercise that option. AGAIN, the ESPN contract with the ACC currently ends Feb 2027 especially if ESPN does nothiing. This is NOT how Ross reported. Ross is wrong. Please verify before repeating his misinformation.
I disagree: ESPN is not getting every school they want. I am sure they wanted Washington and (Especially) Oregon and did not get them. I suspect the same thing happens with FSU. Remember their choice of words to describe Florida State: “Felons.” That did not help:
@@WeSRT4Unfortunate but true. They’re literally buying the playoffs for over a billion dollars. With the movie failures and lawsuits Disney faces, collegiate sports is the only product they utilizes for profit; and they have more financial coffers than on air programs CBS and Fox.
ACC Network is owned by ESPN. Why would they give up that network? They could move the best Big 12 schools and AAC schools into the ACC, and Big 12 can bring in top MWC and AAC schools. I just don't see ESPN would let the ACC to be picked apart.
After the ACC loses their most valuable schools the conference and the network won't be profitable anymore because the existing schools have tiny fan bases, just like the rest of the G-8s.
@@roris5882 BYU has a very large fanbase, and so does Utah who fills their stadiums. There are still Big 12 schools with large fanbases and schools like Boise State, Fresno State, ECU, Memphis, App. State and some others do get over 35,000. Fresno State do get close to 45,000 at times better than California and Stanford.
@@Spitfirethedragon BYU and Utah have large fan bases in terms of G-8 schools but not compared to the B1G and SEC or they would have already been added to those conferences. Although I think they will probably make the cut of a 50 team Super League.
@@roris5882 I do think that you can't rule out schools that are growing larger, and their cities growing larger as well. Boise State's metro should be over 1 million by 2025.
Spitfire, while it is obvious that FSU is leaving, everything else is just speculation. At the end of the day the ACC will remain intact and if they lose another team---such as Clemson--- They will just backfill by following the Big XII model. After Texas and Oklahoma left, the Big XII expanded by bringing in the better AAC brands Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF. And since then several more schools have joined. So, there is a certain quality in quantity. The ACC will do exactly the same by adding schools like Memphis, ECU and South Fla. The ACC might look different but you can just about bet that they will go to twenty members and beyond in short order!
You need to update your graphic on P4 TV contracts. It will drive the point home on ACC even more. For example, you have Big 12 at $380M/yr, but this was the figure with 12 schools. ESPN paid the Big 12 pro-rata for each of the 4 corner schools, so that deal is actually $507M when it begins. With a renegotiation in '31, and another as soon as '37.
ESPN and Fox could eventually drop the Big12 once the B1G and SEC expand by adding all the best players and schools. Or they could cut the Big12's pay because the B1G and SEC will be providing enough of the high level content they require.
The ACC is going to implode, and I think by this time next year it will be gone. That's been known for months. The real issue is, after the SEC and B1G grab the best brands from the disintegrated ACC, what happens to the Big 12? At that point we have two behemoths and one other "power" conference that has very few major brands. I think the Big 12 gets relegated to the status of a smaller conference, and we end up with the Big Two and the Group of 6.
Depends on the end game. 20 members or 24 members for the B1G and SEC? If it’s 20, there are still plenty of schools within the ACC to just add a couple and keep on keeping on. If 24 is the number, then the ACC possibly looses 7 or 8 and the Big12 possibly looses 6 or 7. We’ll just have let this all play out over the next few years.
Let them make the power conference! The only people that would watch that are fans of those 2 conferences and they would lose money and it would be viable! And than I see the NCAA having some balls and making there own championship and not allowing any of there teams to play the big 10 and SeC!
The B1G and SEC can renegotiate the playoff contract to eliminate all auto-bids and keep all the revenue for themselves since they will have all the best players and teams by 2026.
@@Guknowit In that landscape a mid level 1 will not have the $$$ to run full athletics on the money they will have to work with. I see more of a Power 2, mid level 3 and G5. P2 will be national, Mid 3 will be regional and maybe even producing their own streaming/ production that ESPN just buys to fill in specific slots.
@@heffe40 Washington and Texas Georgia was easily better than them and Michigan is up to your own opinion but I think Georgia would beat them by double digits
These changes may not seem like they're good on the outside but it's all going to come together to make college football so much better then it already is.
It depends how long it will take for that to happen. Enough teams voting to dissolve the conference would only do so if they know their next conference is around the same or more money. There’s plenty of teams in the ACC that know they aren’t getting into the Big Ten or SEC, and some know even getting into the Big 12 might not be possible. Those are the ones that will never vote to dissolve.
Except that the private schools in the conference except Clemson don't have a foggy idea where they might go. The big 12 isn't going take all of them. Some don't want anything to do with a big12. It's not going to dissolve through the 8 team vote mechanism. UNC hasn't made its intentions known Clemson clearly wants to go but is waiting to see the FSU fallout. NC St will go as long as UNC brings them along. The Virginia schools are tied at the hip as well. Miami would go to but they aren't on top of the list. ND, UNC, FSU and Clemson are.
The ACC will be worthless without it's most valuable schools but since they added Calford and SMU, the Magnificent 7+ND can no longer vote to dissolve the conference by themselves.
@@roris5882 That is only true after June 30th when the three teams officially join the ACC. If the Magnificent 7 vote to drop the axe on the ACC before then the conference ceases to exist. Watch closely what happens between now and then.
@@JamesSterling That's a good point that I didn't think of. It sure seems like they have the numbers because the Magnificent 7 + ND have been negotiating behind the scenes with the B1G, SEC, and Big12 to guarantee their landing spots.
Bigger CFP and also larger ACC footprint is all ripe for re-negotiations. I think the end result is that ESPN will lose their deal and have to offer more money, and then teams will probably be happy and no one departs. Uneven distribution needs to be based on merit for any given set of years and not some few set teams. For instance, what if Syracuse suddenly got into the playoffs with McCord and Fram (obviously unlikely, but hypothetical) should Clemson and FSU get the money?
Why would ESPN drop the ACC and then allow other conferences to take them in for ESPN to pay more? It makes no sense for ESPN to do that and that is the key. There is nowhere for those ACC schools to go until 2030....ESPN won't renegotiate a contract so 'they' can pay more. Idiotic at best.
ESPN must exercise an option to extend the ACC TV Contract past 2027. ESPN has not yet done that. The rub is will ESPN ever extent that ACC TV Contract after FSU and other ACC schools leave? Which brings up a secondary question of will ESPN wish to REDUCE payouts on that ACC TV Contract after those departures? ESPN REDUCING payouts to large number of ACC schools would not be "paying more." I think you may be able to look at the recent break-up of the PAC to get the answers to both those questions.
@@roris5882 When is that going to happen....lol....you do realize that the B1G and the SEC are working together. They have their contracts for the next few years. They don't need FSU, ND, Clemson or UNC for now. It would not help either conference as of now and actually hurt the B1G or SEC for now. The SEC's contract will pass the B1G contract before they run out....geez this wishful thinking for the ACC schools is just that.....wishful thinking.
@@roris5882hold up there a sec, nobody has been invited to the B1G just yet. First off gotta figure out who's paying for any teams added and unfortunately Fox has made it known they are tapped out after Washington and Oregon. So who buys and broadcasts those extra games? That new media deal also probably won't be worth a great deal, because Fox and CBS get first picks of games each weekend, so no marquee matchups. I have a hard time figuring out how they can get enough to even offer half shares to anyone without making the existing slices of pie smaller for current members.
I think the ACC will remain viable as long as the P2 don't go beyond twenty teams. The B1G has 18 teams and the SEC has 16 teams. There are also some attractive B12 programs/brands that might be poached.
(?) We are headed toward Big 10 and SEC becoming the USA College Football League and the National College Football League (ACFL and NCFL) which will each have a playoff to determine their champion. Then there will be a College Football Super Bowl to determine the final champion.(/?)
@@jmath1978 When the Super League has the 50 most valuable schools they will have 99.8% of college football fans. 90% of the fans cheer for the 20 most valuable schools.
Would love to see ACC completely dissolve themselves by moving all those teams to other conferences in order to break the TV contract with ESPN just for spite..ESPN has way too much power over all of sports in general and someone needs to break that way of life for everyone.
I get to watch my school compete in many sports on ESPN despite living across the country. Hurt feelings aren’t always a good time to make the best decisions.
@@jansonroberts2616 It's not personal, it's just business. There are have's and have not's because the valuable schools want to maximize their revenue so they can pay their players, like the will soon be legally required to.
Question if it did dissolve wouldn't that give or does that give espn even more power to change conferences and tweek conference realignment the way they see fit? Just wondering
@@josephpfalzgraf Yes, but they still have to compete for those former ACC schools against the B1G, who currently has a superior TV contract and generates more revenue for sports AND academics.
Dissolves ACC doesn't take away those Universities it only moves them into more powerful conferences..just look at those PAC10 schools that have moved in order to maintain their livelihood within their sporting events..they will still survive just in a whole different environment for each of their different sports..breaking this crazy ACC ESPN 2036 TV contract would show that ESPN doesn't have total control over all of these ACC Universities.
Why would the SEC add new members from its existing footprint? I recognize that they just added Texas, but I think we can all agree that the Longhorns - much like a Notre Dame exception for the Big Ten's saturated Indiana presence - are a special case. Clemson and Florida State simply don't add enough $$$ to make an SEC invite financially viable for ESPN. Would Clemson and FSU be willing to accept much, much lower SEC payouts only to face considerably tougher competition? Personally, I see the Big 12 as the realistic destination for Clemson and FSU. The SEC will likely invite North Carolina and Virginia Tech to get to 18 members. My prediction: Big Ten adds California and Stanford; SEC adds UNC, NC State, Virginia, and VA Tech; Big 12 adds Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Georgia Tech. ESPN=SEC, FOX=Big Ten, CBS=Big 12, NBC=Notre Dame
Meh, the argument can easily be made that matchups are more valuable than cable subscriptions at this point. I’m biased as heck for UNC, NCST, UVA and VT myself having friends and or family either at or that went to those schools. But the matchups that FSU and Clemson would bring into the SEC would just reinforce the SEC dominance. The SEC already has the top product in college football regardless of who goes where at this point anyway. Might as well go after some schools that bring something besides football and that brings in new states to the league. It’s six of one or half dozen of the other for the SEC.
The B1G has a national footprint, so they want to expand it into Florida by adding FSU. Nobody said the conferences need to have the same number of schools. So they will keep adding them until they stop adding value.
@@fsugnome Yeah, FSU isn't paying $150M to $200M to buy themselves out of the ACC just to earn around the same amount of TV revenue they are receiving now. They obviously have some assurances to receive a landing spot in the B1G and/or SEC or they wouldn't be trying so hard to break out of their ACC imprisonment.
@@fsugnome They won't have much of a choice unless they take a huge pay cut to join the SEC (Big Ten won't invite a non-AAU member). So, FSU would basically have the same revenue challenges while competing against tougher competition.
No, anything less than a 12 team playoff would have ensured a quicker break away by the B1G and SEC. This larger playoff is a compromise to allow the smaller tiers a spot in the playoff while giving the B1G and SEC the resources they want moving forward. It’s a money game for the Power 2. It’s a survival game for everyone else.
@@SurferRC Money and fan base size is the only metric of long term success. Clemson turning into a Johnny-come-lately doesn't do jack for future success.
@@jmath1978 The NCAA gave up it's power over football to the P-5. So now the B1G and SEC are in charge because the other conferences aren't pulling their own weight financially.
The State of NC's education board might want UNC in the B1G so NC State can get into the SEC because that's the only way both universities earn spots in Super 2 Conferences. Plus UNC is a founding AAU member and will earn more revenue in the B1G with ND and FSU.
This season, Clemson will dominate the ACC (again) & FSU won't play for the ACC title (again) & miss the playoff *(again)* but it will take a lot more than *nobody else watching the ACC* to bring the league down 9 years early. Gonna enjoy the ACC while we have it. ❤
Yea...FSU football has only won the ACC 12 times. And you think if "nobody else watched the ACC" it would survive? Not sure what planet you are from lol. I can say that your viewpoint is why the ACC is going down hard!
@@rlhaff3560 I mean, Tennessee has won the SEC a bunch of times, but FSU, like Tennessee vs Alabama, hasn't been nearly as competitive in this era since they both chose not to go to the BIG is all; the point wasn't about disparaging FSU or anything other than the waning popularity & why the league failed after the new deal. To clarify your question, you got the opposite answer; if more people watched the ACC the current TV deal would look like an absolute boon. Instead, even in spite of multiple programs having literal historic success including best-ever seasons & players, the popularity waned rather than improved, & notably perhaps because of Clemson's domination in the era (especially by comparison).
The ESPN opt out was revealed some time ago by FSU in its court pleadings. When ACC schools leave, ESPN can reach a new smaller deal with the remaining schools, and there should be remaining schools since many have nowhere else to go.
The schools with nowhere to go (Wake, Syracuse, Boston College, SMU, Cal, Stanford) will all end up being G5 schools. When the PAC was looking for a television deal, they still had some pretty good brands and their offers were terrible. IMHO, Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina, and Virginia have B1G/SEC hopes. Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State, Pitt, and Virginia Tech all have Big 12 hopes.
I could see Wake, Syracuse, Boston College, and SMU in the AAC. I can see Cal/Stanford joining Oregon State and Washington State with the rest of the Mountain West re-forming the Pac, but re-forming it as a G5 conference.
Who knows though, maybe Notre Dame will finally agree to join the B1G so long as the B1G takes Stanford too.
@@trclark7689 the question is how many teams the B1G, SEC, or Big 12 will take. How big will those conferences get? I agree that the schools that you listed do not have other homes. I am not sure if the Big 12 will take 6, If the other leagues do not grow as much as you may expect, others will also be left behind. No way the SEC takes Miami and I think that the B1G and Miami is an open issue.
If BC and Syracuse wind up in a G5 league, it will be the ultimate karma. Neither of them have exactly been covered with glory in the ACC. If Cuse and BC had stayed in the Big East, it probably would have survived as a northeastern P6. The teams would have been Cuse, BC, Pitt, Louisville, Cincinnati, UConn, Rutgers and a couple of other schools. When VaTech left, there was no bitterness from Big East fans, since VaTech really belonged with UVa in the ACC.
Miami was a different story. After their glory years had passed, Miami was seriously in bad shape until they joined the BE and won national championships in the BE. Donna Shalala, president to U Miami gave a big speech thanking the BE and saying how joining the BE had saved the sport at the U. About two months later, Miami left the BE and joined the ACC. I guess that their gratitude did not mean much.
@@trclark7689 I don’t think that UNC and UVA are as attractive as many people think. The college athletic landscape has dramatically changed in the past decade. Football is everything now and generates 90% of the revenue. If you can only be good at one thing, it better be football. And the expectations for revenue generation are a major consideration. Neither of those schools are football schools and neither generates acceptable revenue generation.
@@505premotoI disagree to a point. Though football is king, the networks still want eyeballs and the conferences still want flagship Universities from markets that they don’t have, that’s what makes North Carolina and Virginia attractive to conferences and networks.
Let’s not kid ourselves, the networks are running the show. If not for solidifying themselves in certain markets, the B1G would have never added schools like UCLA, Maryland, and Rutgers.
The UNC System Board of Governors back in February made it more difficult for the state schools that are part of it (UNC, NC State, etc.) to leave for another conference. They now have to ask permission to leave. They have to submit a financial plan to the president of the UNC System, who can approve or deny the plan. If it's approved the Board of Governors will review it and can deny or approve it. If they deny it, the school must go back and revise the plan, thus starting the approval process all over again. So the ACC will stay intact for now. Yes, FSU is suing to get out, we'll see how that goes. I live about 7 minutes from the UNC campus, and worked there for 6-1/2 years.
I believe if challenged that policy would not pass muster.
@@tatafreeman1 UNC would be the biggest to push back of the state schools, NC State could, but where would they go? They know UNC is the reason this rule is in place. UNC Systems has 17 schools in North Carolina. UNC is the flagship. They can't lose them.
Regarding the question asked around 1:40 - As they say in Rounders, "You can sheer a sheep many times but skin it only once." There is a difference between leverage and suffocation.
I think that the ACC will continue to be what it is, a basketball conference that plays a little football on the side. Nothing wrong with that except that the sports landscape has radically changed in the last decade. Now football generates 80-90% of the revenue. So there is going to be an enormous canyon between what a member school in the P2 gets every year and what a minor conference member school gets. I don’t think that the P2 will pick up the teams in the ACC that think they are beauty queens. It’s going to be a shock for them.
ACC football will become a Group-of-5 conference while remaining a Power-6 in basketball.
The ACC isn’t good at basketball anymore. Go look at how many teams made ncaa tourney compared to other conferences.
@@thomaslepage2840 Not good? Hardly. They remain a high-major CBB conference for sure.
The problem is by 2028, SEC schools will be making 110 Million each and the ACC schools will be making 54 million each. That's just on the media deal. With the new CFB Playoff distribution, ACC schools will be down another 11 million to each the BIG/SEC. And the gap is even larger between the ACC/BIG. So combine those numbers with NIL $$$$ and the transfer portal and you have a big problem. A HUGE PROBLEM. It's why FSU/Clemson/UNC are trying to bail.
Interesting that coaches dont care about the rapid dissolution of conferences.
SMH...you clearly don't realize that the NETWORKS, NCAA leaders & Conference governors, are the Wizard of Oz in College Football. They are in control and pulling the strings and dictating the trajectory of the future of college football. The coaches are just pieces of the chess game like the players.
Josh, you need to read and follow filings in Florida in the case against the ACC. The ACC admitted two MAJOR facts. One while the GOR has an end date in 2036 the ESPN/ACC media contract currently end Feb of 2027. ESPN had an option to extend the contract to 2036 but it expired in Feb 2021 but the ACC Phillips illegally extended the deadline for the option to be exercosed in Feb 2025. However FSU has contested the extension of the option because there was no vote taken by the ACC members to approve the extension. Therefore there is a legal question if ESPN can still exercise that option. AGAIN, the ESPN contract with the ACC currently ends Feb 2027 especially if ESPN does nothiing. This is NOT how Ross reported. Ross is wrong. Please verify before repeating his misinformation.
The ACC is going to prison...
Did Josh check with Mario & The U before posting a video?
Yes
Hahahahahaha
It's funny that he's sensible enough to hide his Miami(FL) fandom but not sensible enough to find a better team. Rutgers could use some more fans.
ESPN is just the absolute worst, one of the most unlikable companies IMO.. it was great in the 90s and most of the 2000s, but yikes..
Disney is a scourge on humanity.
Thanos is more sympathetic than Disney.
Yeah, ESPN sure don't want the ACC jumping to Fox/B1G 10
Trust me.... ESPN will get any schools it wants to keep into the SEC.
I disagree: ESPN is not getting every school they want. I am sure they wanted Washington and (Especially) Oregon and did not get them. I suspect the same thing happens with FSU. Remember their choice of words to describe Florida State: “Felons.” That did not help:
@@WeSRT4Unfortunate but true. They’re literally buying the playoffs for over a billion dollars. With the movie failures and lawsuits Disney faces, collegiate sports is the only product they utilizes for profit; and they have more financial coffers than on air programs CBS and Fox.
@@WeSRT4not fsu
They can't if ESPN renews the contract....geez....the ACC will be stuck right where they are.
ACC Network is owned by ESPN. Why would they give up that network? They could move the best Big 12 schools and AAC schools into the ACC, and Big 12 can bring in top MWC and AAC schools. I just don't see ESPN would let the ACC to be picked apart.
After the ACC loses their most valuable schools the conference and the network won't be profitable anymore because the existing schools have tiny fan bases, just like the rest of the G-8s.
@@roris5882 BYU has a very large fanbase, and so does Utah who fills their stadiums. There are still Big 12 schools with large fanbases and schools like Boise State, Fresno State, ECU, Memphis, App. State and some others do get over 35,000. Fresno State do get close to 45,000 at times better than California and Stanford.
@@Spitfirethedragon BYU and Utah have large fan bases in terms of G-8 schools but not compared to the B1G and SEC or they would have already been added to those conferences. Although I think they will probably make the cut of a 50 team Super League.
@@roris5882 I do think that you can't rule out schools that are growing larger, and their cities growing larger as well. Boise State's metro should be over 1 million by 2025.
Spitfire, while it is obvious that FSU is leaving, everything else is just speculation. At the end of the day the ACC will remain intact and if they lose another team---such as Clemson--- They will just backfill by following the Big XII model. After Texas and Oklahoma left, the Big XII expanded by bringing in the better AAC brands Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF. And since then several more schools have joined. So, there is a certain quality in quantity. The ACC will do exactly the same by adding schools like Memphis, ECU and South Fla. The ACC might look different but you can just about bet that they will go to twenty members and beyond in short order!
You need to update your graphic on P4 TV contracts. It will drive the point home on ACC even more. For example, you have Big 12 at $380M/yr, but this was the figure with 12 schools. ESPN paid the Big 12 pro-rata for each of the 4 corner schools, so that deal is actually $507M when it begins. With a renegotiation in '31, and another as soon as '37.
ESPN and Fox could eventually drop the Big12 once the B1G and SEC expand by adding all the best players and schools. Or they could cut the Big12's pay because the B1G and SEC will be providing enough of the high level content they require.
@roris5882 ESPN is more likely to walk away from the ACC after FSU leaves. The Big 12 will eat from the ACC corpse after the Big 10 and SEC kill it.
Would NBC be interested in adding to ND? Say, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, Duke, Va, VT, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State?
The ACC is going to implode, and I think by this time next year it will be gone. That's been known for months. The real issue is, after the SEC and B1G grab the best brands from the disintegrated ACC, what happens to the Big 12? At that point we have two behemoths and one other "power" conference that has very few major brands. I think the Big 12 gets relegated to the status of a smaller conference, and we end up with the Big Two and the Group of 6.
I'm thinking Elite 2, "Power" 1, and Group of 5..
There is too much separation between the Big 12 and G5.
Depends on the end game. 20 members or 24 members for the B1G and SEC? If it’s 20, there are still plenty of schools within the ACC to just add a couple and keep on keeping on. If 24 is the number, then the ACC possibly looses 7 or 8 and the Big12 possibly looses 6 or 7. We’ll just have let this all play out over the next few years.
Let them make the power conference! The only people that would watch that are fans of those 2 conferences and they would lose money and it would be viable! And than I see the NCAA having some balls and making there own championship and not allowing any of there teams to play the big 10 and SeC!
The B1G and SEC can renegotiate the playoff contract to eliminate all auto-bids and keep all the revenue for themselves since they will have all the best players and teams by 2026.
@@Guknowit In that landscape a mid level 1 will not have the $$$ to run full athletics on the money they will have to work with. I see more of a Power 2, mid level 3 and G5. P2 will be national, Mid 3 will be regional and maybe even producing their own streaming/ production that ESPN just buys to fill in specific slots.
Its guaranteed that the ACC is doomed. ESPN blocked their undefeated champion from the playoff so that 2one loss teams could play instead.
You mean two teams that were better then FSU got in.
@@heffe40if it was the 4 best teams Georgia would have been in
@@heffe40clearly not cause they had full rosters and both the teams lost first round🤣
@@chicken_sandwich3377 Over who & why?
@@heffe40 Washington and Texas Georgia was easily better than them and Michigan is up to your own opinion but I think Georgia would beat them by double digits
College football has been ruined by greed
Unfortunately that is so true,show me the money.💴
ACC just added three teams. Maybe lose that many or more. That deal that was made for the ACC network is super sketchy 😮
These changes may not seem like they're good on the outside but it's all going to come together to make college football so much better then it already is.
If a quorum of ACC teams decide to dissolve the conference, the grant of TV rights for a conference that no longer exists is a moot point.....
It depends how long it will take for that to happen. Enough teams voting to dissolve the conference would only do so if they know their next conference is around the same or more money. There’s plenty of teams in the ACC that know they aren’t getting into the Big Ten or SEC, and some know even getting into the Big 12 might not be possible. Those are the ones that will never vote to dissolve.
Except that the private schools in the conference except Clemson don't have a foggy idea where they might go. The big 12 isn't going take all of them. Some don't want anything to do with a big12. It's not going to dissolve through the 8 team vote mechanism.
UNC hasn't made its intentions known
Clemson clearly wants to go but is waiting to see the FSU fallout.
NC St will go as long as UNC brings them along.
The Virginia schools are tied at the hip as well.
Miami would go to but they aren't on top of the list. ND, UNC, FSU and Clemson are.
The ACC will be worthless without it's most valuable schools but since they added Calford and SMU, the Magnificent 7+ND can no longer vote to dissolve the conference by themselves.
@@roris5882 That is only true after June 30th when the three teams officially join the ACC. If the Magnificent 7 vote to drop the axe on the ACC before then the conference ceases to exist. Watch closely what happens between now and then.
@@JamesSterling That's a good point that I didn't think of. It sure seems like they have the numbers because the Magnificent 7 + ND have been negotiating behind the scenes with the B1G, SEC, and Big12 to guarantee their landing spots.
Bigger CFP and also larger ACC footprint is all ripe for re-negotiations. I think the end result is that ESPN will lose their deal and have to offer more money, and then teams will probably be happy and no one departs. Uneven distribution needs to be based on merit for any given set of years and not some few set teams. For instance, what if Syracuse suddenly got into the playoffs with McCord and Fram (obviously unlikely, but hypothetical) should Clemson and FSU get the money?
Why would ESPN drop the ACC and then allow other conferences to take them in for ESPN to pay more? It makes no sense for ESPN to do that and that is the key. There is nowhere for those ACC schools to go until 2030....ESPN won't renegotiate a contract so 'they' can pay more. Idiotic at best.
ESPN must exercise an option to extend the ACC TV Contract past 2027. ESPN has not yet done that. The rub is will ESPN ever extent that ACC TV Contract after FSU and other ACC schools leave? Which brings up a secondary question of will ESPN wish to REDUCE payouts on that ACC TV Contract after those departures? ESPN REDUCING payouts to large number of ACC schools would not be "paying more." I think you may be able to look at the recent break-up of the PAC to get the answers to both those questions.
ND, FSU, UNC, and Clemson are heading to the B1G to earn double what the poor SEC makes.
@@roris5882 Enjoy the Rust Belt.
@@WarHog38KCS Trump is bringing manufacturing back... allegedly. LOL
@@roris5882 When is that going to happen....lol....you do realize that the B1G and the SEC are working together. They have their contracts for the next few years. They don't need FSU, ND, Clemson or UNC for now. It would not help either conference as of now and actually hurt the B1G or SEC for now. The SEC's contract will pass the B1G contract before they run out....geez this wishful thinking for the ACC schools is just that.....wishful thinking.
Finally, someone gets it! ESPN does NOT want FSU going to the Big Ten, for a number of reasons.
Too bad, because that's where they chose to go because they will earn a lot more money for sports AND academics in the B1G.
@@roris5882 I sure hope so! Go NOLES!
@@roris5882hold up there a sec, nobody has been invited to the B1G just yet. First off gotta figure out who's paying for any teams added and unfortunately Fox has made it known they are tapped out after Washington and Oregon. So who buys and broadcasts those extra games? That new media deal also probably won't be worth a great deal, because Fox and CBS get first picks of games each weekend, so no marquee matchups. I have a hard time figuring out how they can get enough to even offer half shares to anyone without making the existing slices of pie smaller for current members.
I think the ACC will remain viable as long as the P2 don't go beyond twenty teams. The B1G has 18 teams and the SEC has 16 teams. There are also some attractive B12 programs/brands that might be poached.
(?) We are headed toward Big 10 and SEC becoming the USA College Football League and the National College Football League (ACFL and NCFL) which will each have a playoff to determine their champion. Then there will be a College Football Super Bowl to determine the final champion.(/?)
Nobody cares but fans of those leaugues let them do that and fail!
@@jmath1978 When the Super League has the 50 most valuable schools they will have 99.8% of college football fans. 90% of the fans cheer for the 20 most valuable schools.
Youre assuming the SEC is under ESPN control and will do as the network wants...not the case
Miami/FSU to the SEC?? It’s not about recruiting anymore. All $$$
Why would the sec want those shitty teams😂
@@MrLigmenarxis Yea that’s true. Vanderbilt and South Carolina are providing so much value. 🤦♂️
@@MrLigmenarxis They we rapidly improve once they start getting SEC money. The potential is there.
FsU ain't going to the SEC. FsU is more valuable to the B1G. Miami maybe but I think the SEC wants new territory
UofF is blocking the addition of FSU & Miami. SEC is more interested in Clemson, VATech and UNC
Would love to see ACC completely dissolve themselves by moving all those teams to other conferences in order to break the TV contract with ESPN just for spite..ESPN has way too much power over all of sports in general and someone needs to break that way of life for everyone.
I get to watch my school compete in many sports on ESPN despite living across the country. Hurt feelings aren’t always a good time to make the best decisions.
@@jansonroberts2616 It's not personal, it's just business. There are have's and have not's because the valuable schools want to maximize their revenue so they can pay their players, like the will soon be legally required to.
Question if it did dissolve wouldn't that give or does that give espn even more power to change conferences and tweek conference realignment the way they see fit? Just wondering
@@josephpfalzgraf Yes, but they still have to compete for those former ACC schools against the B1G, who currently has a superior TV contract and generates more revenue for sports AND academics.
Dissolves ACC doesn't take away those Universities it only moves them into more powerful conferences..just look at those PAC10 schools that have moved in order to maintain their livelihood within their sporting events..they will still survive just in a whole different environment for each of their different sports..breaking this crazy ACC ESPN
2036 TV contract would show that ESPN doesn't have total control over all of these ACC Universities.
This is more so of an “when” not an “if.”
Scenes now that Clemson has sued
Yes it will.
See you soon Notre Dame!
Sincerely,
The Big Ten
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Why would the SEC add new members from its existing footprint? I recognize that they just added Texas, but I think we can all agree that the Longhorns - much like a Notre Dame exception for the Big Ten's saturated Indiana presence - are a special case. Clemson and Florida State simply don't add enough $$$ to make an SEC invite financially viable for ESPN. Would Clemson and FSU be willing to accept much, much lower SEC payouts only to face considerably tougher competition? Personally, I see the Big 12 as the realistic destination for Clemson and FSU. The SEC will likely invite North Carolina and Virginia Tech to get to 18 members.
My prediction: Big Ten adds California and Stanford; SEC adds UNC, NC State, Virginia, and VA Tech; Big 12 adds Clemson, FSU, Miami, and Georgia Tech. ESPN=SEC, FOX=Big Ten, CBS=Big 12, NBC=Notre Dame
Meh, the argument can easily be made that matchups are more valuable than cable subscriptions at this point. I’m biased as heck for UNC, NCST, UVA and VT myself having friends and or family either at or that went to those schools. But the matchups that FSU and Clemson would bring into the SEC would just reinforce the SEC dominance. The SEC already has the top product in college football regardless of who goes where at this point anyway. Might as well go after some schools that bring something besides football and that brings in new states to the league. It’s six of one or half dozen of the other for the SEC.
The B1G has a national footprint, so they want to expand it into Florida by adding FSU. Nobody said the conferences need to have the same number of schools. So they will keep adding them until they stop adding value.
No way FSU is going to Big 12 after all this
@@fsugnome Yeah, FSU isn't paying $150M to $200M to buy themselves out of the ACC just to earn around the same amount of TV revenue they are receiving now. They obviously have some assurances to receive a landing spot in the B1G and/or SEC or they wouldn't be trying so hard to break out of their ACC imprisonment.
@@fsugnome They won't have much of a choice unless they take a huge pay cut to join the SEC (Big Ten won't invite a non-AAU member). So, FSU would basically have the same revenue challenges while competing against tougher competition.
Let’s get to a 24 team playoff!
Hope that was sarcasm
8 is the right number. 4 conf champ auto bids, 1 G5 beauty contest bid, 3 at large. Too bad they blew it.
No, anything less than a 12 team playoff would have ensured a quicker break away by the B1G and SEC. This larger playoff is a compromise to allow the smaller tiers a spot in the playoff while giving the B1G and SEC the resources they want moving forward. It’s a money game for the Power 2. It’s a survival game for everyone else.
@@Depressednotredamefan3736They need to be 32 team playoff the system has been held back for years!
Super League Playoffs
Why shouldn’t it fall apart! American Chump Conference. Zero national interest.
Its the second best conference by every metric the last 20 years…
Your a hater! I hope the NCAA grow some balls and get control of this!
Winning cures everything. Just sayin.
@@SurferRC Money and fan base size is the only metric of long term success. Clemson turning into a Johnny-come-lately doesn't do jack for future success.
@@jmath1978 The NCAA gave up it's power over football to the P-5. So now the B1G and SEC are in charge because the other conferences aren't pulling their own weight financially.
I just hope UNC is wanted by ESPN. That means SEC bound.
Absolutely. North Carolina will have their pick between the SEC and Big Ten. Behind Notre Dame, they are the most valuable asset on the board.
UNC will join the SEC if and when they leave the ACC.
UNC will lose alot of fans and in state support if they do it!
The State of NC's education board might want UNC in the B1G so NC State can get into the SEC because that's the only way both universities earn spots in Super 2 Conferences. Plus UNC is a founding AAU member and will earn more revenue in the B1G with ND and FSU.
@@roris5882 not sure that’s material, but ok.
This season, Clemson will dominate the ACC (again) & FSU won't play for the ACC title (again) & miss the playoff *(again)* but it will take a lot more than *nobody else watching the ACC* to bring the league down 9 years early. Gonna enjoy the ACC while we have it. ❤
Yea...FSU football has only won the ACC 12 times. And you think if "nobody else watched the ACC" it would survive? Not sure what planet you are from lol. I can say that your viewpoint is why the ACC is going down hard!
@@rlhaff3560 I mean, Tennessee has won the SEC a bunch of times, but FSU, like Tennessee vs Alabama, hasn't been nearly as competitive in this era since they both chose not to go to the BIG is all; the point wasn't about disparaging FSU or anything other than the waning popularity & why the league failed after the new deal. To clarify your question, you got the opposite answer; if more people watched the ACC the current TV deal would look like an absolute boon. Instead, even in spite of multiple programs having literal historic success including best-ever seasons & players, the popularity waned rather than improved, & notably perhaps because of Clemson's domination in the era (especially by comparison).
The ACC will be around as long as we have college sports but the whole house is coming down soon the depression nears!
@@Greydawg Why don't you work on beating Miami(FL) before you start flapping your gums, Little Tiger?
@@encycl07pedia- because *Miami isn't on the schedule.*
Clemson again has *zero* bye-week opponents, among other inescapable scheduling advantages.