Stargate SG-1 - Season 9 - Beachhead - Ominous Harbinger - Part 3

"The only winning move is not to play."

[@ThorX89]

It's interesting in the beginnings of the show, stargates were an explosion hazard whose naquadah would amplify a nuke several times. By the end, they had become nearly indestructible and special gate-buster nukes were needed to even try to destroy one.

[@Ragitsu]

I think the final form of naquadah in a stargate is different from raw/elementary naquadah.

[@Elydir]

I don't think the gates were ever a hazard when explosion happened near them. Remember that from the start they had self-destruct system that would blow up the entire base. If the gate amplified that, it would do a lot more than collapse the mountain. When the Earth gate did explode, it was because the gate itself was overcharged.

[@ThorX89]

@@Elydir Gates seemed a lot easier to destroy in the first season. In the Singularity episode, the Goaul'd had a gate-destroying explosive device that they'd plant inside of a living person. Nothing as big as the Mark IX supernuke used in season 9 or the ancient superweapon that Anubis tried to destroy the Earth gate with in season 6.

[@Elydir]

@@ThorX89 Fair, though in season 2 they redirected the black hole wormhole by detonating a bomb next to the gate while directing all of the explosion at it. So it seems they decided pretty quickly that the gates are in fact borderline indestructible (makes one wonder what happened to the gate aboard Klorel's ship).

[@alexmckee4683]

@@ThorX89 the potassium-Naquadah bomb that self-assembled in Cassandra might be superior technology. A bigger bomb is not necessarily a more powerful bomb. Nirrti was very technologically advanced even for a Goa'uld. Anubis's gate buster had to dump huge amounts of power into the gate to cause an overload, the gate was capable of supercapacitance and superconduction so Anubis's weapon needed to dump more power into the target gate than it could store or conduct to cause an explosion. So neither of those examples really proves a retcon, but obviously I do agree that there was a retcon but it was very well done overall.

[@maddybeagle5379]

I always thought the chain of command was awkward in latter seasons. Carter and Mitchell were the same rank and T, Vala, and Jackson weren't military.

[@Iybraesil]

Well yeah but Cam is the designated leader of SG-!

[@icer1249]

its actually bought up by mitchell when he accepts he dosnt actually control anything. If anything jackson tends to take the lead of the team in anything but a firefight.

[@DomWeasel]

@@icer1249
I particularly liked Jackson referring to Cameron as 'New Guy' when they discover Khalek.

[@icer1249]

@@DomWeasel yeah that was a great episode. hopefully we get some clips of that episode too.

[@Utubesuperstar]

In the real military that can happen not necessarily with the civilians but same rank captains and xo’s of ships can be the same rank air bosses etc it’s by role rank is secondary

[@ktmal1681]

This was honestly one of those "oh Shit" moment sin the show.....

[@the1tigglet]

In this case Vala was right. They should have listened to her when she said run away! The Ori knew that the pride of their enemies wouldn't stop feeding them energy.

[@DrakeOola]

Still doesn't make any sense, the ori could've powered it themselves... We've seen the sg teams transport massive nukes through the stargates, even transported some ZPM's through the wormholes so if a single nuke just about provided all the power the ori needed to construct the beachhead then why didn't the ori just send their own nukes through the wormhole instead of relying on the humans to power it for them? Why did they wait that long and why didn't they just open multiple gates like that, strategically invaluable compared to funneling all your forces through a single gate the enemies are already aware of...

[@Korohpu]

If the Ori can build forceshields that can absorb the energy of enemy weapon's fire to strengthen themselves, why didn't their ships have shields like that (not that they weren't overpowered enough already)?

[@battleboat12]

Maybe they did didn’t basically the same thing happen when attacking our ships they kept detecting weakpoints in them like they did here and wanted to transport a nuke over to one of their ships thru the weak part which is how Daniel got off the Korolev before it exploded

[@TheAgamemnon911]

The shield didn't get stronger, it got wider. It would be not ideal if your ship-shield would expand past the attackers in a dogfight...

[@ash470]

While I doubt it is explained in the the canon lore... my theory would be that while it is possible, it's not very feasible.
Perhaps the equipment to create and maintain the field is either too large, or requires too much effort to set up and maintain. Heck maybe the device or its projections are harmful to be used nearby people. But most likely it was just a convenient throwaway plot device never meant to be spun into a bigger element.

[@jiriseidl4376]

But that is exactly what they had. That’s why normal blast weapons didn’t work, and why the new Asgard beam weapons, which overloaded this capacity, worked.

[@toddkes5890]

The Ori could have had something similar to the Dakara device on their side projecting that shield. Too big to be ship-mounted, but very useful to make sure you can get a beachhead in the target galaxy. So there would be a slight delay between the planetary shield absorbing the weapons fire and the planetary shield expanding, reflecting the need for the energy to go from the planet, through the stargate, into the Ori-Dakara setup, projected back as a planetary shield, sent back through the Stargate, and expanding over the planet. And a second shield to protect the gate from the Mk IX detonation, feeding that back into the planetary shield system as well.
There would have been an impressive CGI/matte painting to show the device, but we never got to see it.

[@TigerWing141]

2:52 me when discover a scam in a store

[@Ragitsu]

"We need to cease fire, now."

[@TigerWing141]

@@Ragitsu “NOW!!”
“Do it!”

[@Glitch_Gaming]

hallowed are the Ori

[@DrakeOola]

Hollowed maybe, too many empty promises...

[@scorpiusbalthazar4327]

Hallowed are the Ori.

[@kirishima638]

Shields to maximum? Lol

[@dondumitru7093]

Engage!

[@TheCaptainCrack]

red alert!

[@blazingbl2gamingop794]

All hands abandon ship!

[@user-lw8dr6xx8i]

Star Trek was a template for all later science fiction franchises.

[@Ooilei]

What's more odd is why aren't shields always at maximum if they're on?

[@prestonmiller9953]

Thinking back on it video clip they should have found a way to detonate the core of the planet

[@Ragitsu]

Who?

[@invictusfarmer7188]

what military movie from the 80s was garak in? they had a really crazy(for movies) artillery barrage in that movie if memory serves

[@PerStenback]

Could be one of the Iron Eagle movies, or the mini-series Sadat

[@invictusfarmer7188]

@@PerStenback iron eagle! thats it! thanks lol. im a lil rusty on my 80s suck bin movie titles lol

[@Zakath71]

You might be thinking of the movie "Enemy Mine".

[@barbiquearea]

Wasn't he the drill sergeant from An Officer and a Gentleman?

[@anthonystuartjones]

The Ori could have just as easily sent their own bomb through the Stargate. Durrrr!!!! Plot hole!!!!

[@Ragitsu]

Uh oh!

[@MrMikellsof88]

Could have. But we know the Ori have twisted virtues. Perhaps they just wanted to to see the looks of horror on the non-believers' faces when they realised they'd brought about their own doom.

[@Ragitsu]

@@MrMikellsof88 Awesome White.

[@Smeginator]

I like Lou Gossett, but man, did I hate Gerak

[@belisarian6429]

Is it just me or does that nuke explosion have magnet like lines around it?

[@fanelfabien94]

Fanel Fabien Did Kill Shane And Xena

[@Ragitsu]

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[@thanjaunavasmut3685]

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