@@Tembel_Kopek Based on some quick research, time dilation only starts to matter when you enter the Black Hole's event horizon. Simply orbiting around it would only add a few seconds per minute.
@@robrick9361not really, this depends on the mass of the black hole, of course ,at the event horizon the gravity is basically infinite, sooo it will be way stronger and have way more time dilation than say, at the edges of the accretion disk, or a couple thousand miles away from the black hole, but that does not mean that the time dilation doesn't matter, the gravity in most black holes is insane, and time dilation will have a considerable effect even if you're not directly on the event horizon.
They used knowledge and technology from previous exploits (black hole keeps the gate open, explosion can cause the wormhole to switch gate on the other end) combined with the advancement in the story (they have two galaxies and know how to open a gate between them) to great success. Now this is continuity!
@@bobg9922 The Expanse is the only modern show that comes close. The writing is as good. Shame most modern shows are like 8 - 10 episodes a season too....
Naa man, they should have just had 100 Mjolnier class ships rise out of the black hole’s surface as they had been build in the black hole to be undetected… that’s how you really do stakes and twists and continuity according to Disney.
But for SG1 this was only a Tuesday! They did much more including destroying a lifeform in two galaxies at the same time, destroying ascended beings in a far galaxy, and destroying a religion in two galaxies at the same time!
I wonder what proportion of the audience appreciated that Ben Browder was given the 'sling shot manoeuvre' line of dialogue; a fairly subtle nod to Farscape.
Ancients will be like: "They did what with our what?! When did they do it?! Why?! How?! You know, nevermind, I'm too old and luminous to care about this shit, peace"
@@philip-op6de I just saw an interview with Joe Mallozzi where he said season ten was the one season they thought they weren't going to get cancelled. He said they all found out at the 200th episode party.
I love that the kawoosh is just this utterly unmatched force of pure destruction in this verse. *Nothing* survives contact with whatever dimension bending forces are occurring during wormhole formation.
@@Misteri0123 IIRC the rationale is that it’s so close to the even horizon that the gate’s energy is contained within itself, but I don’t remember 100%
@@Misteri0123 so close to the event horizon that it doesnt form , beyond particle formation size , makes sense , but you let a little space in there and the kawoosh can form and excavate a larger cavern
@@r4vendusk nukes PLUS the main capacitor of a hive ship! or is it multiplied by the nukes like with naqudah? naquadah of the gate multiply the jet a hundred fold like ra said naquadah works with nuke devices/energy?
@@peterolsen9131 Remember the Ori tanked a kamikaze from a Goauld Hatak. Slammed the whole ship right into the Ori ship and the Ori ship just said "Meh."
@@abeclark524 that blast from the gate prob flickered a few lights and blew a couple of fuses on the Ori ship and they were like we are fine then the Kawoosh happened
Killed multiple "gods" ending a 5 millenia long galactic tyranny, defeated an extra-galactic horde of self-replicating grey goo robots whose defenses stumped races with tens of thousands of years more technology, blew up a sun to kill an entire fleet of ships, used a single explosion to blow up 2 of the most powerful class of ships ever built with each ship being 3 million lightyears away at the time, killed an entire race of ascended beings (actual gods this time), manipulated time travel to screw their enemies on multiple occasions even when their enemies *also* used time travel to screw them first, flew planet killing asteroids through hyperspace to save earth, maybe also saved earth in a few other dimensions as well because they had time to kill between all the other heroics, and those are just the first few I can think of. So yes, terrifying indeed.
What many never caught is that this is effectively Ben Browder's character (Mitchell( doing in Stargate what his character (Creighton) was attempting to do in the pilot of Farscape. The episode even had Claudia Black who co-stared with him (she was in the scenes on Atlantis).
That's what popped into my mind when I first saw this episode. Just like when Vala brought up the wormhole extreme idea in the concept of Farscape which Claudia Black and Ben Browder both stared in
@@Shorty_D1606 Best part about that is originally Browder was going to be Creighton but he said to keep with the running gag it should be Shanks. The only thing they missed with that is they should have had Thor Rygal let one rip.
It's a shame we didn't have the understanding of black holes that we have now. Picture this scene but with the modern render of the accretion disk of a black hole. That would have been so epic.
We always had understanding that black holes are not sink holes but black spheres. But no one have really give a damn about their visualization in Sci-Fi before Interstellar came out. This is what people expected for black hole to look like so this is what they gave us.
If this Stargate episode was written with current understanding of black holes, there would be an on screen disclaimer every 30 seconds: THIS, OF COURSE, IS IMPOSSIBLE. It was still a great episode and Stargate is consistently good entertainment.
@@jeffsaffron5647 The astrophysicist Jean-Pierre Luminet did a render of blackhole in 1979 in "Astronomy and Astrophysics". The accretion disk was no different than today.
One thing that the Stargate franchise is well known for is proving that while we humans may not be the strongest or the most technologically advanced race… we’re DAMN good at war.
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 I was talking about in the context of the show's lore... as in compared to shows like Star Trek, where they quite often get battered by different aliens. It's kinda hard to prove anything for IRL, given that we've not had (public) contact with alien species.
Are the good old days when sci-fi shows still didn’t know what black holes actually look like but still I have to say the Stargate series was one of the best sci-fi shows ever released that’s right even better than star track when it comes to re-watching a show I have a much easier time re-watching Stargate than star truck
Yeah, except you couldn’t survive the shearing forces in the ergosphere region….and it so close to the event horizon you’d risk going too deep and not coming back. It would need to be a huge Black Hole for gravitational tidal forces to be survivable.
@@contessa.adella Ehhhh... Remember this ship parried a goddamn extinction event in SGA and was endorsed by some of the highest tech stuff in the verse, I wouldn't be too concerned~ Also, i like how the BC304 (designed to be a smaller and faster ship) exploits that by having the huge Wraith ship, which is much more fragile comparatively, get ripped apart by tidal forces which the BC304 can withstand.
It would not even have been a close fight. The Oris are just over the top. I would rank the stargate enemies that way; 1) The Oris 2) The replicators 2.1) Anubis 3) The wraiths 4) The Goa'ulds 5) The Ashens
@@Stephen64138 tbh ... the ashen under goauld? rly? is it needed tto remind you they beat the crap out of the goauld at the end? and you dont mention neither the asgard, the tolan (clearly above goaul, beaten only by anubis/ancient tech, the hell advanced enough to build they own gate), the nox and so on btw the wraith, no matter how, defeated the ancients, they would eat anubis anyday
@@Namo-xx1sz The ashens beated the Goa'uld's in an alternate reality. Not in canon. Also I ranked them according to the threat they represented overall in the show. I do think the ashens were great vilains and very dangerous. But in the grand scheme of things, they were defeated in two episodes. It took 8+ seasons to defeat the Goa'ulds system lords. Plus Baal used a time machine to attack Earth in the past. Regarding the asgards, tollans and Nox, may I point out I ranked the 'ennemies of Stargate', not their buddies. Finally, I think you confuse the lanthians with the ancients. I don't care how powerful the lanthians were, they are not comparable to their ascended form.
@@Namo-xx1sz Let's not forget that the Tollans are the only ones it seems that can phase through solid matter. Anubis himself couldn't do it, and he had the Ancient's knowledge, so that also means that even the Ancients couldn't do it. The Asgard couldn't either. Still, Anubis bested their defenses, so they weren't perfect.
@@Stephen64138 It's not an alternate reality. It was the original timeline, and once they sent the note back in time, they caused an alternate reality, and for some reason we treat the new one as if it's the original. Same thing happens in Atlantis. Before I Sleep is the true first episode because it's what happens the first time, aka the original timeline. Altering history causes an alternate reality, it doesn't turn the current one into the original one, or canon, even though they seem to treat it that way.
Colonel Mitchell "We'll do a sling shot manoeuvrer to throw us out and... *stares off into the distance* Colonel Carter: Mitchell?? Colonel Mitchell: What? Who? woah... Sorry Carter, bit of uh PTSD there. When we do just uh have sensors sweeping for wormholes. We dont wanna end up in another galaxy.
I always felt it was kind of badass to be the comms relay guy. Like all he's doing is delivering a message. But hes doing so by sending it out into the void, not knowing if the message was ever received, yet his role had an integral effect on the success of the entire mission. Very underrated role.
Seems like the Wraith missed their chance to send darts, troops and maybe a queen to Milky Way galaxy using the gate linked to the super gate. Could’ve tried getting the star map data required to tell hives which direction to go at least using the long way to get there. Since it was some time until they disconnected the pegasus gate so they could travel to the ori galaxy.
We don’t know what would happen if they tried that, if they even knew the gate was there, after all, that ship didn’t exactly stay around to share the news
@@dereckguerra6863 better question, what happens if matter entered that wormhole? the ship is say 3m by 10 m. if it enters does it get scaled up to 300m by 1000m? or does it come out the same?
@@icer1249 Judging from the fact that an Ancient built a mini-gate in Carter's basement and came out the other side fine, I am fairly certain that matter is transmitted and reconstituted as it was sent. So if a big ship comes out of a small gate.... that would be interesting.
Loved this episode. I was wondering if Atlantis was ever going to do anything with that gate. For a short time, they had a constant and direct conduit to the Milky Way galaxy. I thought that it would be a great idea for a few hundred wraith darts fly through and set up a colony on the nearest wraith livable planet. They could use their beaming tech to bring hundreds of wraith.
Unfortunate that they got Teal'c's voice modulation backwards. With time flowing slower for the _Odyssey_ near the black hole, Teal'c would've sounded more in the direction of a chipmunk over comms.
If they actually got the time dilation in here in the first place, I'd say they knew about that and tried it. My guess is that it sounded so stupid that they kept with the lower voice as most people wouldn't spot the problem.
Sadly SG 23 that was on the Wraith Ship somewhere in the corridors exploring and SG 43, SG 44 on the Ori Ship doing the same where lost that day. Other than that, hell yea what a day.
Carter: You mean we just blew up an Ori Ship. McKay: By destroying a Wraith ship. Teal'c: Indeed we did. *off in the distance* Gimli: That still only counts as one!
This was years before anyone really knew what a black hole looked like. It wasn't until Interstellar that there was a realistic depiction of a black hole in popular culture. Plus the first picture of a real black hole was taken only two years ago.
@@shimitty If I could add, Interstellar black hole was created by a high tech physic simulation, including the wormhole, how ever the Interior of the worm hole was stretched for cinematic purpose. the going in and out should have been nearly instant. As for the resent black hole pictures. If I am not wrong they are not real pictures. Its thousands of terabyte of data from radio telescopes collected over a period of time and then it spent even longer being analyses by algorithms and then a simple black and white pixel image was generated which was then colored. Some people claim they toke a second picture but it is in fact the same picture except they were able to analyses the movement of the gas and just rendered in some lines to give the illusion of movement. Although I am studying computer science I have not yet taken the course on image processing and generation so this is only speculation but from my understanding, the image is much more akin to a a simulation using real data then to be an actual picture of a black hole. I think that for many years to come, the simulation of the black hole in interstellar is the closes thing we will have to a picture of an up close black hole with an accretion disk. We just don't have the technology yet to take a real picture of a black hole. If you are interested in the worm hole simulation that is more realistic, I think Scott manly made a video about some simulations you can find online
something i have only just spotted... but if time was slower for the people close to the black hole shouldn't Teal'c voice been sped up to them? and theirs slowed down to teal'c? like i watch sg1 as it aired and I am only just now thinking about it.
I can just picture the Ancients watching from their higher plane of existence. All of them sitting there going "I'm sorry, they're doing WHAT with our gates???"
Given the other plotline of this episode of the Ancients trying to discreetly help the Tauri without them noticing, I’m 99% certain this plan worked flawlessly because they nudged things along
How the FUCK did I just now realize that this slingshot maneuver that Ben/Cam is mentioning is something he as John Chrichton also does in the pilot episode of Farscape?!
Slingshot, a clue on how to get through the sun stargate. Its how David defeated Goliath and hit the center between the eyes, the two black holes created by the sun. Its how we leave our solar system very quickly and efficiently
As The Wraith are in a civil war what is the one thing that all of The Wraith factions always want? An Intergalactic Hyperdrive. So whatever faction is able to get an Intergalactic Hyperdrive will be able to get to the new feeding ground aka Earth and win the civil war.
Bummer they didn't have the new understanding on black holes... would've looked wicked cool, because you'd see the ship disappear around the black hole, then see it turn around the black hole at the same time, because of the bent space.
It's not really new as I understand it, physicists knew the math and what it should look like, it's just no one had put it into a graphics engine yet and made it well known to the general public.
Actually, I think the ship won't disappear around the backside. It's likely would would have seen some sort of lensatic effect across the edge of the black hole as the ship moved behind it.
This show would have NEVER been as good without Teal'c. Christopher Judge really nailed that role. This is what I was saying about the BS "lack of inclusivity". Teal'c was an African American actor, so was the Commander of the Apollo. So why are they say the older shows weren't inclusive? I think everyone who loves the Stargate franchise knew Teal'c added a character who went from one of the most hardcore Jaffa of Apophis (He was his First Prime), to being a warm and human character who found the best of himself living among the Tau'ri.
Im wondering only on one thing... Ori ships are powered by black holes, wouldn't stargates event... vortex cause some very destructive reaction? Black holes arent your daily matter after all, if the superstargate ate the singularity... wouldn't they like, merge and collapse the superstargate on both ends?
I recently worked out a concept to make a relativistic spintronic style kinetic Missile system. If you put a asymmetrical solar sail in low solar orbit with a stabilising gyroscope and a rod of tungsten , such that the sail accelerator system / mirror system uses solar radiation to accelerate the system to relativistic tangential velocities as the system moves to smaller radii of orbit, allowing the system to detach a relativistic tungsten rod in any desired chosen direction By using simply a sail system and a tungsten rod the power of the sun enables the capability to achieve relativistic speed
There's a great fan theory that ascended Ancients made sure this otherwise insane plan worked, in much the same way Morgan La Fay tried to trick Jacksoni nto thinking he had done all the work in the same episode
@@UGNAvalon I mean this is what I love all this stuff was the big payoff and the grand vision from the first mission through to Abydos and all the following missions and now you see the logical development of the program. It's awesome I love it.
@@UGNAvalonand still no modern writing, like 1 Story over a complete Season crap. We take this from Episode 34, take that from Episode 78 and now we got an Spaceship. And the first one wasnt Overpowered, also Logic. I just love it.
The fact that they pitched the radio voices and accounted for the time dilation near a black hole is a nice detail.
And the fact that they didn't skip multiple decades because of being so close to a black hole is a very convenient oversight. ;)
@@Tembel_Kopek Based on some quick research, time dilation only starts to matter when you enter the Black Hole's event horizon.
Simply orbiting around it would only add a few seconds per minute.
@@robrick9361not really, this depends on the mass of the black hole, of course ,at the event horizon the gravity is basically infinite, sooo it will be way stronger and have way more time dilation than say, at the edges of the accretion disk, or a couple thousand miles away from the black hole, but that does not mean that the time dilation doesn't matter, the gravity in most black holes is insane, and time dilation will have a considerable effect even if you're not directly on the event horizon.
@@Leopard_211 the asgard shields might of helped
They used knowledge and technology from previous exploits (black hole keeps the gate open, explosion can cause the wormhole to switch gate on the other end) combined with the advancement in the story (they have two galaxies and know how to open a gate between them) to great success.
Now this is continuity!
indeed
:p
It was a pretty clever storyline to come up with.
And to beat two relentless enemies (the wraith and the ori) with one strategy stone. They don’t write space sci-fi like this anymore.
@@bobg9922 The Expanse is the only modern show that comes close. The writing is as good. Shame most modern shows are like 8 - 10 episodes a season too....
Naa man, they should have just had 100 Mjolnier class ships rise out of the black hole’s surface as they had been build in the black hole to be undetected… that’s how you really do stakes and twists and continuity according to Disney.
The most badass "two birds with one stone" moment in Sci-Fi history.
Not to mention a record, killing two ships three million lightyears apart.
@@Predator42ID Yeah that too.
more like three birds (the third being cutting off any Ori Reinforcements for a time)
But for SG1 this was only a Tuesday! They did much more including destroying a lifeform in two galaxies at the same time, destroying ascended beings in a far galaxy, and destroying a religion in two galaxies at the same time!
@hudsonball4702
Megatons☢stone !!!
I wonder what proportion of the audience appreciated that Ben Browder was given the 'sling shot manoeuvre' line of dialogue; a fairly subtle nod to Farscape.
He just can't escape the wormhole shenanigans either...
I just wanted to post should have called it "farscape manouvre", I get IP just stood in the way.
To be fair, slingshotting around a gravity well is older than that, comes from Star Trek TOS originally.
Farscape is still one of my favorites.
The Tau'ri: Still dialing Stargates in ways they are not supposed to be dialed and using Stargates for things other than their intended purpose.
Which is honestly why they came as far as they did. Thinking outside the box.
Ancients will be like:
"They did what with our what?! When did they do it?! Why?! How?! You know, nevermind, I'm too old and luminous to care about this shit, peace"
Just a bit of ingenuity you get with living on Planet Earth
I can't help but think of when someone uses a door to bash someone over and over. SG-1 and SGA just do that to almost everyone else.
Reminds of the meme about Star Trek and why the Vulcans let Humans run the Federation.
Just imagine being on that Ori ship.
"Huh did they just shoot an energy blast at us through a Stargate?"
"Wait... What Stargate?"
"Oh Shi-"
😂 and the hive ship ❓
@@sourabhkarmakar8040 They were the energy blast. They didn't get a vote.
@@sourabhkarmakar8040 Eh, they're used to getting nukes beamed aboard by now :)
@@vagron1127 the wraith ship ❓
When a science fiction show goes, "what budget? We've made it to season ten, bitch!"
Just film half the episodes on the streets of Vancouver or in a local high school!
The last few seasons they knew they show was coming to an end soon and they really upped the CGI budget
@@philip-op6de I just saw an interview with Joe Mallozzi where he said season ten was the one season they thought they weren't going to get cancelled. He said they all found out at the 200th episode party.
THANK YOU for the great quality and no dumb music. We need more videos like this
Remember when TV shows had smart writing, using lore established mechanics to solve problems?
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I mean, that's true to an extent, but Stargate Atlantis had a lot of really dumb writing too.
That wasn't the case before Stargate. And not so afterward.
@@JoshSweetvale And but it was the case before and after: 1 shot stun, 2 shots kill, 3 shots disintegrate :D.
The kawoosh doesn't give a fuq about how technologically advanced your ship is!
I love that the kawoosh is just this utterly unmatched force of pure destruction in this verse. *Nothing* survives contact with whatever dimension bending forces are occurring during wormhole formation.
@@Hawk_of_Battle Imagine a kawoosh beam weapon!🤣 Unstoppable!
What about the respective series' locks on the gates?
@@Misteri0123 IIRC the rationale is that it’s so close to the even horizon that the gate’s energy is contained within itself, but I don’t remember 100%
@@Misteri0123 so close to the event horizon that it doesnt form , beyond particle formation size , makes sense , but you let a little space in there and the kawoosh can form and excavate a larger cavern
I'm just impressed the Ori ships shields was able to withstand the energy blast coming out of the Stargate
That was pretty much just a few nukes. Not a big deal compared to some other weapons.
@@r4vendusk nukes PLUS the main capacitor of a hive ship! or is it multiplied by the nukes like with naqudah? naquadah of the gate multiply the jet a hundred fold like ra said naquadah works with nuke devices/energy?
@@peterolsen9131 Yes but not the full energy was aimed at the stargate.
@@peterolsen9131 Remember the Ori tanked a kamikaze from a Goauld Hatak. Slammed the whole ship right into the Ori ship and the Ori ship just said "Meh."
@@abeclark524 that blast from the gate prob flickered a few lights and blew a couple of fuses on the Ori ship and they were like we are fine then the Kawoosh happened
“Today , we have achieved a great victory!” - what I feel like when the bills get paid on time.
Every fucking time.
Made my Day 💀💀😬
Hahahaha
Yeah, but at what cost?
Indeed.
“Today we have achieved a great victory”…..That line gave me goosebumps and sense of pride back then and even today as an avid Stargate fan 😊😊😊
I also am 12
SG1 truly is a terrifying team...
Indeeeeeed
They've met several gods and killed almost all of them. I'd say that classifies as beyond terrifying.
Killed multiple "gods" ending a 5 millenia long galactic tyranny, defeated an extra-galactic horde of self-replicating grey goo robots whose defenses stumped races with tens of thousands of years more technology, blew up a sun to kill an entire fleet of ships, used a single explosion to blow up 2 of the most powerful class of ships ever built with each ship being 3 million lightyears away at the time, killed an entire race of ascended beings (actual gods this time), manipulated time travel to screw their enemies on multiple occasions even when their enemies *also* used time travel to screw them first, flew planet killing asteroids through hyperspace to save earth, maybe also saved earth in a few other dimensions as well because they had time to kill between all the other heroics, and those are just the first few I can think of.
So yes, terrifying indeed.
Humanity, fuck yeahhhh
of course it is they have Jack O'Neill and Daniel Jackson!
What many never caught is that this is effectively Ben Browder's character (Mitchell( doing in Stargate what his character (Creighton) was attempting to do in the pilot of Farscape. The episode even had Claudia Black who co-stared with him (she was in the scenes on Atlantis).
That's what popped into my mind when I first saw this episode. Just like when Vala brought up the wormhole extreme idea in the concept of Farscape which Claudia Black and Ben Browder both stared in
@@Shorty_D1606 Best part about that is originally Browder was going to be Creighton but he said to keep with the running gag it should be Shanks. The only thing they missed with that is they should have had Thor Rygal let one rip.
I just had that realization myself and came to see if anyone else brought it up.
Well that's why the first time we see vala at the SGC and she sees Mitchell she goes "you look familiar"
My dumbass only just realized this just now! I feel so embarrassed!
It's a shame we didn't have the understanding of black holes that we have now. Picture this scene but with the modern render of the accretion disk of a black hole. That would have been so epic.
We always had understanding that black holes are not sink holes but black spheres. But no one have really give a damn about their visualization in Sci-Fi before Interstellar came out. This is what people expected for black hole to look like so this is what they gave us.
@@jeffsaffron5647plus cost. A TV show has a budget after all
Even a layman had a better understanding of black holes than the creators of this piece of CGI at the time. This was just really bad artistry.
If this Stargate episode was written with current understanding of black holes, there would be an on screen disclaimer every 30 seconds: THIS, OF COURSE, IS IMPOSSIBLE.
It was still a great episode and Stargate is consistently good entertainment.
@@jeffsaffron5647 The astrophysicist Jean-Pierre Luminet did a render of blackhole in 1979 in "Astronomy and Astrophysics". The accretion disk was no different than today.
Ben Browder did the slingshot trick at the first episode of Farscape, with Claudia Black piloting Moya.
It all comes back to 200
wow meta! 😂
First episode of andromeda they end up entering a black hole
They just killed some 4000 wraith and maybe 20,000 ori the tauri are deadly
One thing that the Stargate franchise is well known for is proving that while we humans may not be the strongest or the most technologically advanced race… we’re DAMN good at war.
@@BYERE I'm curious how you think a fictional TV show "proves" anything.
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 I was talking about in the context of the show's lore... as in compared to shows like Star Trek, where they quite often get battered by different aliens.
It's kinda hard to prove anything for IRL, given that we've not had (public) contact with alien species.
It's Hilarious that the most deadly creatures in the universe Incidentally just happen to also be the 5th race
you concern about wraith that suck bilion human life at pegasus?
I miss good shows like this, there are very few good shows on now.
well... feed 'em writers, you know?
Are the good old days when sci-fi shows still didn’t know what black holes actually look like but still I have to say the Stargate series was one of the best sci-fi shows ever released that’s right even better than star track when it comes to re-watching a show I have a much easier time re-watching Stargate than star truck
two teams destroyed both one of there own villains at the same time the wrath and the Ori to activate the supergate THAT IS AWARSOME
Yeah, no offence. But Atlantis was blowing up Wraith ships fairly often at this point... the Ori ship is more impressive.
"You mean we just blow up a ori ship..."
By destroying a wraith ship… *surprised reaction*
It's a black hole you do more than just slingshot you can take advantage of the ergosphere to grab even more energy than you went in with.
I think that's kind of what they did, cuz if you noticed the Odyssey was going a lot faster No just a bit but a lot.
Yeah, except you couldn’t survive the shearing forces in the ergosphere region….and it so close to the event horizon you’d risk going too deep and not coming back. It would need to be a huge Black Hole for gravitational tidal forces to be survivable.
Penrose process, baby!
@@contessa.adellaThey have SciFi bullshit tech.
@@contessa.adella Ehhhh... Remember this ship parried a goddamn extinction event in SGA and was endorsed by some of the highest tech stuff in the verse, I wouldn't be too concerned~
Also, i like how the BC304 (designed to be a smaller and faster ship) exploits that by having the huge Wraith ship, which is much more fragile comparatively, get ripped apart by tidal forces which the BC304 can withstand.
3 birds with one strike.
three 'birds' when including the other bonus of connecting to the supergate
Still would've loved to somehow see them get the Wraith to encounter the Ori.
It would not even have been a close fight. The Oris are just over the top. I would rank the stargate enemies that way;
1) The Oris
2) The replicators
2.1) Anubis
3) The wraiths
4) The Goa'ulds
5) The Ashens
@@Stephen64138 tbh ... the ashen under goauld? rly?
is it needed tto remind you they beat the crap out of the goauld at the end?
and you dont mention neither the asgard, the tolan (clearly above goaul, beaten only by anubis/ancient tech, the hell advanced enough to build they own gate), the nox and so on
btw the wraith, no matter how, defeated the ancients, they would eat anubis anyday
@@Namo-xx1sz The ashens beated the Goa'uld's in an alternate reality. Not in canon. Also I ranked them according to the threat they represented overall in the show.
I do think the ashens were great vilains and very dangerous. But in the grand scheme of things, they were defeated in two episodes. It took 8+ seasons to defeat the Goa'ulds system lords. Plus Baal used a time machine to attack Earth in the past.
Regarding the asgards, tollans and Nox, may I point out I ranked the 'ennemies of Stargate', not their buddies.
Finally, I think you confuse the lanthians with the ancients. I don't care how powerful the lanthians were, they are not comparable to their ascended form.
@@Namo-xx1sz Let's not forget that the Tollans are the only ones it seems that can phase through solid matter. Anubis himself couldn't do it, and he had the Ancient's knowledge, so that also means that even the Ancients couldn't do it. The Asgard couldn't either. Still, Anubis bested their defenses, so they weren't perfect.
@@Stephen64138 It's not an alternate reality. It was the original timeline, and once they sent the note back in time, they caused an alternate reality, and for some reason we treat the new one as if it's the original. Same thing happens in Atlantis. Before I Sleep is the true first episode because it's what happens the first time, aka the original timeline. Altering history causes an alternate reality, it doesn't turn the current one into the original one, or canon, even though they seem to treat it that way.
Colonel Mitchell "We'll do a sling shot manoeuvrer to throw us out and... *stares off into the distance*
Colonel Carter: Mitchell??
Colonel Mitchell: What? Who? woah... Sorry Carter, bit of uh PTSD there. When we do just uh have sensors sweeping for wormholes. We dont wanna end up in another galaxy.
This is so cool I love the dedication of slowing all teal’cs interactions
3:22
Ori ship status:
*_KA-WHOOSHED_*
I can't unsee Sams face when she says that either
I love the little blip of an energy beam it manages to produce before the vortex hit.
wraith hive status:
ka-boomed
How good is the Wraith targeting to hit a moving ship inside a gravity well and time distortion field
Gotta aim where you think the target is going to be and I guess those ships are pretty smart. Apparently the wraith piloting it are also pretty smart
Good episode. Definitely gives you the defeating superior foes with cool strategy feels.
"You have taken almost all the steps towards becoming the fifth race"
I always felt it was kind of badass to be the comms relay guy. Like all he's doing is delivering a message. But hes doing so by sending it out into the void, not knowing if the message was ever received, yet his role had an integral effect on the success of the entire mission. Very underrated role.
Ah yes, back we thought Black Holes that looked like drains.
Seems like the Wraith missed their chance to send darts, troops and maybe a queen to Milky Way galaxy using the gate linked to the super gate. Could’ve tried getting the star map data required to tell hives which direction to go at least using the long way to get there. Since it was some time until they disconnected the pegasus gate so they could travel to the ori galaxy.
We don’t know what would happen if they tried that, if they even knew the gate was there, after all, that ship didn’t exactly stay around to share the news
@@samuelhellewell2880 fair point and a dart is much smaller with no real shielding. so it’s likely to get ripped apart before entering the gate.
also we don't know how stable that wormhole is, its able to send energy fine but maybe its can't send matter correctly
@@dereckguerra6863 better question, what happens if matter entered that wormhole? the ship is say 3m by 10 m. if it enters does it get scaled up to 300m by 1000m? or does it come out the same?
@@icer1249 Judging from the fact that an Ancient built a mini-gate in Carter's basement and came out the other side fine, I am fairly certain that matter is transmitted and reconstituted as it was sent. So if a big ship comes out of a small gate.... that would be interesting.
Loved this episode. I was wondering if Atlantis was ever going to do anything with that gate. For a short time, they had a constant and direct conduit to the Milky Way galaxy. I thought that it would be a great idea for a few hundred wraith darts fly through and set up a colony on the nearest wraith livable planet. They could use their beaming tech to bring hundreds of wraith.
of course John would suggest a slingshot maneuver while parked near an active wormhole to destroy his enemies.
Unfortunate that they got Teal'c's voice modulation backwards. With time flowing slower for the _Odyssey_ near the black hole, Teal'c would've sounded more in the direction of a chipmunk over comms.
If they actually got the time dilation in here in the first place, I'd say they knew about that and tried it. My guess is that it sounded so stupid that they kept with the lower voice as most people wouldn't spot the problem.
@@chriswalker4370 If you're going to add in a rainbow to the scene because it just rained, don't render the colors upside-down!
No doplershift shifts the data stream not the voice on the datastream
@@saquist
I'm stupid n can't see the connection between Doppler shift n time dilation.
Why wouldn't his voice sound normal if the signal received occupies the same space-time as Odyssey?
One of the best series, I love it😊
The continually of Stargate was one of the best damn thing about it.
1:52 This little manœuvre is going to cost us 51 years!!!
I think it cost 51 years from the outsiders perspective.
They essentially travel forward in time.
this is the most epic "2 birds with 1 stone"! 👍
Al'kesh it's probably the best ship desing of the series.
Mitchell/Chrichton saying use a slingshot maneuver to get away from the enemy?
**CHEF'S KISS**
And that victory shall be called the Tilk Maneuver. xD
T'ealc**
@@ZakhadWOWTeal’c.
Teal'c*. Way to butcher the name.
Sadly SG 23 that was on the Wraith Ship somewhere in the corridors exploring and SG 43, SG 44 on the Ori Ship doing the same where lost that day.
Other than that, hell yea what a day.
Carter: You mean we just blew up an Ori Ship.
McKay: By destroying a Wraith ship.
Teal'c: Indeed we did.
*off in the distance*
Gimli: That still only counts as one!
After all these years I finally noticed Tealc plucks his eyebrows.
They were extremely thin in the beginning of sg1. They get slightly bushier towards the end.
is the depiction of the blackhole are correct ? it should be a spehre right ?
It should be a sphere.
This was years before anyone really knew what a black hole looked like. It wasn't until Interstellar that there was a realistic depiction of a black hole in popular culture. Plus the first picture of a real black hole was taken only two years ago.
Tq @@shimitty ...
@@shimitty If I could add, Interstellar black hole was created by a high tech physic simulation, including the wormhole, how ever the Interior of the worm hole was stretched for cinematic purpose. the going in and out should have been nearly instant.
As for the resent black hole pictures. If I am not wrong they are not real pictures. Its thousands of terabyte of data from radio telescopes collected over a period of time and then it spent even longer being analyses by algorithms and then a simple black and white pixel image was generated which was then colored. Some people claim they toke a second picture but it is in fact the same picture except they were able to analyses the movement of the gas and just rendered in some lines to give the illusion of movement.
Although I am studying computer science I have not yet taken the course on image processing and generation so this is only speculation but from my understanding, the image is much more akin to a a simulation using real data then to be an actual picture of a black hole. I think that for many years to come, the simulation of the black hole in interstellar is the closes thing we will have to a picture of an up close black hole with an accretion disk. We just don't have the technology yet to take a real picture of a black hole.
If you are interested in the worm hole simulation that is more realistic, I think Scott manly made a video about some simulations you can find online
@@peter4210 Its the event horizon, not the actual BH. So all the hot gas around.
4K so detailed!
something i have only just spotted... but if time was slower for the people close to the black hole shouldn't Teal'c voice been sped up to them? and theirs slowed down to teal'c? like i watch sg1 as it aired and I am only just now thinking about it.
Time moves slower in a black hole, so all tranmissions would be slower. The Odyssee had a subspace field which helps it stay in normal spacetime.
„What is a 2 dimensional circle in 3rd Dimension? A Sphere …“
Stargate: …
I can just picture the Ancients watching from their higher plane of existence. All of them sitting there going "I'm sorry, they're doing WHAT with our gates???"
Some of them. Others thinking "Well damn, look at them go!"
Given the other plotline of this episode of the Ancients trying to discreetly help the Tauri without them noticing, I’m 99% certain this plan worked flawlessly because they nudged things along
I love how our understanding of how to visualize black holes has changed from the 2000s to now after Interstellar.
(NO SHOUTING) *STARGATE SG-1 WAS AWESOME YEARS AGO AND, EACH TIME I WATCH IT AGAIN, IT IS STILL AWESOME, NO MATTER WHEN I WATCH IT.*
That slingshot was from Farscape series!
MY head canon is this is the same person from both shows but alternate realities.
Awesome series.
John Crichton would know all about gravity slingshots, wouldn't he. nice callback
this is what happens when you have john crichton, you always use gravity to accelerate your ship.
one of my most favorite episodes
i just noticed. Cameron Mitchell used the slingshot maneuver here. he did that in farscape too.
They flew into the blackhole excretion disk with the current?
I saw this episode before seeing star gate Atlantis I was confused who the wraith were good episode.
Honestly, although it's probably not "scientifically accurate", I prefer this depiction of black holes, looks cool.
T was always badass, episode when he is in the "game" and making it harder and fail because of that is heart breaking.
John Chriton with the slingshots :)
❤❤❤i imagine it went gust like that?!❤❤❤
Peak Stargate moment right here.
Good thing that Ori ship, was kind enough to be there at that exact moment
How the FUCK did I just now realize that this slingshot maneuver that Ben/Cam is mentioning is something he as John Chrichton also does in the pilot episode of Farscape?!
1:48 did he just use a line from his farscape self?
They didn’t take into account time dilation by traveling near a black hole, hundreds of years would have past by being to close.
That still only counts as one!
wait it's in SG1? iwatched the whole serie i dont remember that
It's a shame these clip videos never tell you what episode they come from. I would have liked to see the rest of it.
Stargate sg-1 Season 10 Episode 3
@@TheEthanEdge Thank you!
So Stargate employs the Crichton Maneuver?
The Ori were a serious upgrade from the Goa'uld
Slingshot, a clue on how to get through the sun stargate. Its how David defeated Goliath and hit the center between the eyes, the two black holes created by the sun. Its how we leave our solar system very quickly and efficiently
When did this happen!!?
They should have been stuck in time dialation near that black hole for millennia.
Subspace field.
if i was the wraith, why would you follow? either they are going in to the black hole, or they are pulling a slingshot manoeuvre
As The Wraith are in a civil war what is the one thing that all of The Wraith factions always want? An Intergalactic Hyperdrive. So whatever faction is able to get an Intergalactic Hyperdrive will be able to get to the new feeding ground aka Earth and win the civil war.
thats what we call a good ol'fashioned twofa
Bummer they didn't have the new understanding on black holes... would've looked wicked cool, because you'd see the ship disappear around the black hole, then see it turn around the black hole at the same time, because of the bent space.
Black (hole) magic!
It's not really new as I understand it, physicists knew the math and what it should look like, it's just no one had put it into a graphics engine yet and made it well known to the general public.
Actually, I think the ship won't disappear around the backside. It's likely would would have seen some sort of lensatic effect across the edge of the black hole as the ship moved behind it.
Ori and Wraith in the same episode? I'm confused.
Do you think they knew the whole story before they made it? I loved the show ❤
SG1 is The GOAT
What an awesome maneuver !
That little maneuver cost them 57 years.... Oh wrong movie
They destroyed a ship from another galaxy, with the explosion of a ship in a second galaxy, in our galaxy.
This show would have NEVER been as good without Teal'c. Christopher Judge really nailed that role. This is what I was saying about the BS "lack of inclusivity". Teal'c was an African American actor, so was the Commander of the Apollo. So why are they say the older shows weren't inclusive? I think everyone who loves the Stargate franchise knew Teal'c added a character who went from one of the most hardcore Jaffa of Apophis (He was his First Prime), to being a warm and human character who found the best of himself living among the Tau'ri.
troll spotted , general
Crichton and his slingshots.
i always liked how atlantis gate has a shield that can withstand the gate's vortex but the all powerful Ori battleship's shield can't do that
Because it's so close to the event horizon, that the vortex doesn't destroy it. Just like the iris at the Earth gate.
"Next step, parting the Red Sea!"
Oh, the good times...
Good teamwork can do amazing things.
if you once see the masterchef logo on the forehead, you cant unsee it.
Im wondering only on one thing... Ori ships are powered by black holes, wouldn't stargates event... vortex cause some very destructive reaction? Black holes arent your daily matter after all, if the superstargate ate the singularity... wouldn't they like, merge and collapse the superstargate on both ends?
Ori ships are not powered by black holes. They function similar to a ZPM reactor.
@@SoranoGuardias ooohhhhh ok i forgot. Btw, by the size of the ship, its either able to power up a planet or a very outdated and innefficient ":)
I recently worked out a concept to make a relativistic spintronic style kinetic Missile system. If you put a asymmetrical solar sail in low solar orbit with a stabilising gyroscope and a rod of tungsten , such that the sail accelerator system / mirror system uses solar radiation to accelerate the system to relativistic tangential velocities as the system moves to smaller radii of orbit, allowing the system to detach a relativistic tungsten rod in any desired chosen direction
By using simply a sail system and a tungsten rod the power of the sun enables the capability to achieve relativistic speed
3:26 - An Ori Toilet Spacecraft destroyed.
SG had jumped the shark to become Stargate Trek.
Fascinating.
There's a great fan theory that ascended Ancients made sure this otherwise insane plan worked, in much the same way Morgan La Fay tried to trick Jacksoni nto thinking he had done all the work in the same episode
After 10yrs of technological & tactical developments, they kinda earned moments like these. :P
@@UGNAvalon I mean this is what I love all this stuff was the big payoff and the grand vision from the first mission through to Abydos and all the following missions and now you see the logical development of the program. It's awesome I love it.
@@UGNAvalonand still no modern writing, like 1 Story over a complete Season crap. We take this from Episode 34, take that from Episode 78 and now we got an Spaceship. And the first one wasnt Overpowered, also Logic. I just love it.
i would love to see this scene with a more realistic black hole :D