Da Pari a Pari - Stradivari e Guarneri a confronto
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2013
- GREAT NEWS ON THIS PERFORMANCE !!
Many musicians and also several curious but not technical have seen and commented in recent years this project done with the virtuoso violinist Andrea Cardinale.
Many comments were ignorant and offensive, but we left everything to not want to pilot a line of judgment. Many of you were curious to hear better the difference between the Strad and the Guarneri. Few people knew that before this concert another concert had been held, still in Cremona, much more interesting for this technical aspect. six months before, on March 23, 2012.
A special concert performed to compare the sound of these two wonderful instruments. Playing the same Paganini caprices first on one and then on the other violin. Playing for example the n ° 5 and n ° 18, to highlight and compare the brilliant sound on the first string and the deep one on the fourth string on the two extraordinary instruments. I add today at the end of this extract of the 30.11.2012 concert, the link to the short but fascinating trailer of that memorable concert held six months earlier.
Have a good listening, and Thank you again for your comments :-)
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Virtuoso violinist Andrea Cardinale performing Niccolò Paganini Caprices 1 e 24 on the city of Cremona collection's two most prestigous violins: The Antonio Stradivari "Il Cremonese" 1715 e Guarneri del Gesù "Stauffer" 1734. Extract from the integral 24 Capricci di Paganini Live Concert in Cremona, november 30, 2012. Sala San Domenico, Museo Civico. Most difficult thing, LIVE RECORDING. No post production, no chance to correct or arrange the execution! In the same week, UNESCO registered in the Intangible Cultural Heritage List the Cremona violin-making tradition 
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When you listen to the guarneri... the sound is very soulful, dramatic, the violin itself is uttering its own emotions... the sharp and bass sound of guarneri is superb....i love the guarneri very much....
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Dear friends, I had the idea to let a violinist virtuoso play together some capricci both on the same moment, using a Strad and a Guarneri, and we fund a solution with the best of the two violins in the history: the ones of the City of Cremona collection. Well, listening the same caprice on one violin, and just after on the second it has been finally the best way to compare their sound. The sound of a violin comes from the engineed idea of sound the maker had, Mr Stradivari or Mr Guarneri had a complete different idea abt how to reach sound with their instruments. Strad so thin, Guarneri so deep. That was maybe one of the eldest idea of marketing: being different to offer different proposal instead of challenging the same. Like someone who opens a wine bar in the same square, in front of an other wine bar... or prefers to open a bio-juice bar and look for a different target...
well, after some years of comments, and I really thank you all, I must add one thing: the awareness in the feeling of a caprice sound. A Paganini Caprice is not pleasant as a vivaldi allegro, is something really different, my friends. Something so difficult, but so difficult that listening to it can really give different feelings, like: OH, DISGUSTING! or AAKK, OUT OF TONE, etc.. (of course I have nothing against compliments.. :-D ). If you really want to give a judgement to a caprice, please go and listen all the recorded caprices in the history, as i did before producing "The Salotto Rosso" (salottorosso.andreacardinale.it/). The number of notes, and the rapidness in which ALL of the notes are played, that can makes a first rational judgement. Then, the correspondance of the notes played to the written one. Often you realize that the result is not soft, or pleasant like a Disney soundtrack, IE 'the beauty and the beast'.. A Paganini caprice is illogical, irrational, atonic, distonic, revolutionary... My friends, Paganini caprices are an acid universe, sometimes armonic, rarely romantic, but definitively out of 'logic position' in music. They are in his personal exercises the extreme Paganini challenge and testament (You know? He never did a concert of Caprices, he just wrote it and gave to all artist as a challenge... many composers used it for sone of theirs compositions: Rachmaninoff, Ravel, Chopin, Liszt, Shumann, Schubert, Brahms, Mendelssohn, Stravinsky... But no player tried to play a single Capriccio for more than a century... the first to be so brave was Ruggiero Ricci in the '40ties, and his 1950 recording is still, on my very-personal opinion, the best ever). Well, Ruggiero Ricci was one of the teachers of Andrea Cardinale, and about his Integral of Caprices of the 'Salotto Rosso' record, Master Ricci he said: "Excellent playing, at a very high level". Paganini was in the same time a contemporary Prince, Marilyn Manson, Jimmy Page, Steven Tyler, Freddie Mercury. He was not just a player, he was a composer, and the all of this made his capricci really a different thing to listen. Tecnically you can do one thing to judge a capricci execution: Count and verify the number of notes played compared to the sheet music, and also, verify the correspondence to the notes played with the written ones.. Is a monstruous job, but the only one helpful to approach this monument. You must reach in a audio lab a 1/75 of a second time for just one note.. Well, my friends, Andrea Cardinale put years to prepare and record his integral of caprices, and we made tests on the above technical controls, and we can say that all of the notes were played, and all of the notes are in tone. The result, well, you can like or not, but put together is like a live rock guitar solo, or a drum solo, but just really undertanding, not really challenging becouse few people in the world can do it and often not properly... But just after this awareness you can say something correct to yourself. Go and listen the 90% of the executions in the history, and you will realize for example for many that just the half of the notes really played simplifying the execution or, and just if you have the absolute pitch, that those records up to the 70ties have a little tone crescent, and you know why? becouse until those times to fasten a recording made tone growing proportionally. And to appear fast, a recording had for all caprices a slight growing tone for the all execution... Thank anyway for your comments, even a OOW, SHIT! FUCK PIG-ANINI! SHIT CARDINALE! are apreciated, really! (Pig-Anini was shout from the crowd in England, in front of the Hotel were Paganini was staying, before one of his concerts. He did not want to go to theatre and execute, because the producer did not wanted to give to him all the money he demanded!...) Bastard approach is a proper approach to Paganini! So many people say SHIT on him when he was alive, and changed opinion when understandig, an those times, to understand was jus listening alive! So, thank you even for your worst coments!
Gip Barbeschi
Magic
Tendria que haber sonado la misma obra con los dos violines!
🌹MUY DIFÍCIL COMPARAR EN UNA REPRODUCCIÓN, Y CON PIEZAS DISTINTAS🌹
...ADEMÁS...con ese violinista extraordinario...hasta un tarro clavado a un palo de escoba, y con cordones de zapatos
suena divinamente!🎻
What? why not the same piece for both violins???
Sono stupefatto da quanti intenditori ci siano al mondo e da quanta gente abbia suonato i due strumenti, wow!
I think the Guarneri "Stauffer" have more tone and power sound.
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Stradivari it’s like a Gibson LP and Guarneri like a Telecaster. Sound wise.
No sé puede hablar de " mejor" son tan perfectos ambos con sus particularidades la diferencia será el gusto, la ejecución y la pieza ...dignos rivales !
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Exactamente! Exactly.
Guarneri violin has always been a million times better in my opinion.
Strad is decent, was said that it was prestigious due to its visual beauty also being taken into account that made it popular in courts
Bellissimo!.Both violin sounds were superb!.Guarneri violin is incomparable when playing in the G and D strings!.It produces resonant sounds as if in an orchestra.
Imposible de superar stradivari emite frecuencias tan suaves que al impactar al timpano no lo daña al contrario sana, por esa razon cada sonido se disfruta. Hay frecuencias que curan y hay frecuencias que destruyen
Guarneri sound far better for ME.
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Guarneri the winner!
Beautiful instruments
Play the same tune on each please!
The Stradivari mysterious Varnish is so shiny. It is the secret to the loud sound.
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Obras de arte ambos instrumentos, grandes
It is undeniable that the Guarneri carries the better sound. The rest is personal preference. This comparison tells you why star-performers choose a Guarneri as principal instrument. A Strad is more useful as for chamber music. Although there are perfect sounding Strads, but not that many.
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he has a really cool style, i wish he would be cleaner with it, it screeches at moments and some notes aren't clear.
Quem organizou esse evento deve ser um extremo fã do Guarnieri, colocando o Stradivarius em desvantagem com essa música..
Para ser justo tinha quer ser a mesma ..
Verdade! Só assim se compara um com outro 😒
Vdd
Verdade
Até concordo com você no caso. Entretanto, acredito que, como nos outros testes às cegas, mesmo com a mesma música o Guarneri ganharia.
A Mesma
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Le Guarneri est dur à battre,surtout sur la corde D et E,les 4 cordes très,très beau son de violon,la performance exceptionnelle !
Pra fazer uma devida comparação sonara dos diferentes timbres deveria ter tocado a mesma música com os dois violinos, ia mostrar a suavides do Strad e o grave do Guarneri.
Nao existe como fazer uma escolha dentre eles, por isso tenho a copia dos dois..heheh
Rafael Caetano concordo plenamente!
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Até concordo com você no caso. Entretanto, acredito que, como nos outros testes às cegas, mesmo com a mesma música o Guarneri ganharia.
Every violin that the Cremona masters made is not a winner.
I don't think there will ever be a definitive answer as to why a violin takes on a beautiful tone while others don't. A modern day luthier can build a beautiful sounding instrument surpassing anything built centuries ago.
belleza ambos, no se pueden comparar, son dos sonidos diferentes pero maravilloso cada uno, no se puede comparar
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Que som limpo, lindo lindo.
I prefer the Guarneri sound
Volume difference in the tone between Guarneri and Stradivari. The capriccios sound more dynamic with the Guarneri violin. Fabulous rendition.
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Boa tarde amigos os dois violinos são espetaculares tanto o stradivarios como Guarnieri São lindos é meu sonho tocar nos dois
Agree ! He played the Strad with marginal Intonation ...better with the Del Gesu ...could be just the pieces
ERROR: se debió ejecutar la misma obra en los dos violines.ejecución perfecta,pero no me di cuenta qué violín suena mejor...igual nadie lo sabe,sólo el que posee alguno de esos violines.
Mejor suenan los dos, pero si prestás atención vas a notar que el Guarnerius es más brillante y potente, a 440 hz, mientras que el Stardivarius aparece como afinado a 415 hz el La, más cálido y solemne, más grave.
+alfredo mato ,no se puede usar la expresión "los dos son mejores" se entiende que uno debe ser mejor que otro si se usa la palabra "mejor", pero no,el Guarnerius del Gesù es el violín con sonido cálido,es su característica principal y el Stradivarius posee un sonido brillante,y sólo te darás cuenta si interpretas la misma obra en cada violín debido a que distintas composiciones tienen pasajes distintos más agudos o más graves ,de allí mi comentario ,respecto a los Hz... no tengo un aparato que los mida y peor desde un vídeo .
Hola yo sí puedo usar la expresión "los dos son mejores" en virtud de que soy Profesor de Lengua y Literatura y, además, poeta. Lo mío es una metáfora, te tenés que dar cuenta. Se entiende que quiere decir:"los dos son excelentes", va en gusto la cosa. Sumado a que según los últimos lingüistas contemporáneos, no existe frase agramatical. ¿Pelé o Maradonna? ¿Vivaldi o Bach? y todos los etcéteras. Cada uno es tan bueno como merece serlo. Las comparaciones son odiosas. Porque como dijo el Gral. Perón:"El hombre es bueno, pero si se lo vigila, ES MEJOR". Saludos cordiales.
Pero no, campeón: el más cálido es el Stradivarius, no te das cuenta? Lo mismo pasaba o pasa con los bandoneones Doble A, te los ofrecen en sonido cálido (430) o brillante ( 440) salta a la vista, hay que afinar el oído. Escuchá de nuevo la potencia del Guarnerius, es el segundo que ejecuta. Hasta las flautas dulces se afinan en 415, 440, etc. y cuanto más baja la frecuencia más baja la nota. Saludos.
+alfredo mato,no pondré en duda tu profesión y lo que le enseñas a tus alumnos,pero tienes que aprender que el término "mejor" se usa para designar la calidad superior de un elemento con respecto a otro,a no ser que seas vanguardista,la expresión correcta es : los dos son buenos" incluso es un barbarismo decir:"ambos son buenos" y peor aún : "ambos son mejores", en fin,el castellano es una gran capa que todos arrastramos,en cuanto al tema musical,es subjetivo,soy profesor de violín ,especialidad " violín barroco",por eso comento lo que has leído.
I know I am late to this page and don't know if this has ever been confirmed but I understand that the deeper tone we hear from all of the Guarneri, is from having taller ribs. Correct ?
Perhaps partiallly, but his plates were also (typically) thicker.
What the heck?! Choosing so technically different pieces makes it unable for everyone to compare...
Very Nice....I take one of each.
som stradivari mais bonito guarneri mais potente!
+Fabiano Silva I perfectly agree!
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Personalmente creo que los dos suenan muy bien pero siento un poquito mas exquisito para mi oído el sonido de el estradivario así que el Guarneri es muy potente
Olha, eu não sou um dos melhores músicos nem dos mais entendidos, mas creio que a musica tocada no Stradivarius foi em extremo staccato, deixando o lindo instrumento em desvantagem, o Guarneri teve uma musica mais proveitosa, longa, de notas mais longas.
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А что на Страдивари каприс Паганини сыграть нельзя? Одинаковые произведения надо играть когда сравниваешь скрипки, и вообще то надо играть . Ну недостоин этот музыкант держать эти скрипки в руках он не на уровне этих инструментов. Хорошая идея воплощение слабое. Жаль....
Guarneri for me
I thought the order of the violins should have been switched.
guarneri the winner!
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This is similar to playing a D’Angelico New Yorker and then a D’Aquisto New Yorker. I own a 1971 D’Aquisto and there is a reason I chose that instrument.
Pity about the choice of piece, I would have preferred a more sustained legato example where the tonal quality would have been more clearly recognized.
exactly, u can show off your virtuosity, but i dont think that was the point of this exercise! further more, they should play the same piece on both instruments. i used to be a guaneri fan, but i kinda prefer the symmetry between strings now, ie, the transition from string to string should be more uniform and seamless.
Guarnieri........................by a mile .
wow, why would anyone play a Strad if a Guarneri del Gesu were available?
If the point was to compare both instruments, playing diferent pieces doesn't help much. There are great strad, however this is not one of them.(In my humble opinion of course)
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I think it demonstrates that there is no "perfect" violin. There is a touch of mischief in the tone of the Guarneri which suits Paganini I think. I recall listening to Menuhin playing both and liked the Guarneri better then. There is not disputing the beauty of sound of either. The Stradivari has a slightly sweeter voice, but the Guarneri has a raw emotion and that is something I find very compelling. That is just me and I am no wonderful connoisseur, but others have said similar things.
#01 ( Stradivari #Som Estridente. Vivo. Som Aberto. Reluzente E Mágico )
#02 ( Guarneri #Som Auto Volume. Opaco. Som Fechado. Forte E Preciso )🏴☠️⚡🏴☠️
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For the money, I would rather have the money.
Show Gostei 🏴☠️⚡🏴☠️
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Perfino io so dire quale risulta migliore e più piacevole da ascoltare in questo test...
Guarneri !
Well, in this case I believe it was no competition.
The Guaneri was mind-blowing, alive and soul touching while the Stradivari was beautiful, balanced and somewhat "predictable".
Che giudizio difficoltoso. Innanzi tutto Paganini suonava un Guarnieri, il famoso "Cannone", noto per le sue caratteristiche di brillantezza ed attacco. Suonando Paganini, nella fattispecie i Capricci, è praticamente ovvio che lo stile del violinista ed il suono del violino si abbinino perfettamente. Lo Stradivari, che dire... non è adatto: non è il suo campo d'azione.
infatti "il cannone" era molto potente nel suono e quindi molto meglio dello stradivari in questa caratteristica,che venne apprezzata da paganini
Thomas Montobbio lol
Io dopo un cannone non distinguo più un violino da una betoniera.
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This u call virtuoso in Italy?
I pezzi suonati dovevano essere uguali,per cercare di capire il suono di uno e l' altro,si doveva stare presenti sul posto, eccezionale esecuzione ❤
Obviously we can't get around the subjective nature of the matter in terms of which sounds better. The answer is, it depends on who is listening. Also, the composition being played determines which violin is better suited. These magnificent instruments were not meant to compete in the same space. Stradivari was obsessed with precision, which is apparent both in the physical design of his instruments and the sounds they produce. The Guarneris were less precise and more rambunctious, apparent both in the physical design and the sound their violins produce. The Strad is said to be feminine, whereas the Guarneri is masculine. With that in mind, you can hear it in Andrea’s performance, delicate and precise on the Strad, aggressive and unrefined on the Guarneri. So, which is better? Apples and oranges, or male and female. Both are beautiful, both are essential.
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nice
Esos violines es como comparar un Rolls-Royce y un Bugatti. Ambos estan en la cima pero con un estilo diferente.
Woooow Guarneri
I think Guarneri is "the voice of God."
Se debió ejecutar la misma obra con los 2 violines para así
tener una comparativa más clara e imparcial, pero al escuchar ambos violines el
del año 1734 tiene un leve realce en las frecuencias medias en comparación al violín
fabricado en 1715 que tiene un tono poco más suave.
Ciertamente el Guarnerius suena afinado a 440 hz mientras que el Stradivarius parece como afinado a 415 hz el La, más cálido y suave, al parecer, más del gusto de la usanza barroca de principios del 1700. Habría que colocarles cuerdas de tripa como se usan hoy en día en las orquestas barrocas.
Ciertamente compañero, aclaráselo a Gregorio González que opina exactamente al revés! je, cosa de locos. Está más arriba su comentario. Menos mal que es profesor de violín.
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Bad player :) he trys to show hes self....but he was umhappy everrything fast unclear and Intonation not clean ,, :)
ahaha, I understand, You're joking! thank your comment, bye :-D
+Danillo Olliveira he's not bad, he's just very different, is style is really odd. its like paganini on acid.
That is Paganini my dear friend.
Well, in fact it is quite opposit. He plays on two different violins and both of them has different mensura, way that developes sound and non are his own. So he adapts very very well, and plays very stably. He is fantastic violinist, really. I recomend to check video with Yehudi Menuhin trying to play Lady Blund Stradivarius. Menuhin was unable to play more than few chords and scales - of key.
Well , paganini on unknown violins played for the first time, with audience and recorded :D Task for a superhuman. Good job anyway. It normally takes years to found the best sound and limits on concerto violin :D
W.O.W.
Ma chi ha scritto le didascalie iniziali? "Liutari" ???
GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY WHAT A PERFORMANCE !!!!!! DIO MIO !
No hate, these are not your isnstruments so its natural it is natural that not everything is in tune, but i think if Paganini is shown before an audience it has to be near perfect , otherwise it loses all its charisma .. nonetheless guarneri wins :)
Кто разбирается, тому и без этого сравнения известно, что Гварнери превзошел Страдивари в красоте звучания своих инструментов.
Se los hubieran dado a Accardo.....seguro los exprimia al máximo al mostrarlos...
The harmonic part has something wierd sound,scary sound caprice 24
Guarneri definitely has a richer and fuller sound.
G. Guarneri WINNER ....!!!!
in my honest opinion the strad wins overall! The Guarneri seems to be very rich in sound on the lower frequencies , maybe better than the Strad but when the notes go higher , the Strad seems purer and sweeter , they are both fantastic !
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on the higher notes, Strad purer, yes, but to me opposite of sweeter... shriller. If you want people to go to concerts featuring the violin, don't subject them to that cat wailing of a Strad, but sooth them with the Guarneri del Gesu.
Not an expert, don’t even claim to have a good ear but find the violin to be a wondrous, mysterious instrument. Comparing one maker’s violin to another maker does not prove who is the best since each maker’s output will vary violin to violin. Also find it fascinating that with all of our modern technology, the old violins keep secrets as to how they produce sounds that will likely remain secret forever.
Ho avuto il piaccere di essere a Cremona ad ascoltare ..........;;;;;;;
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Guarneri stand out,why? Because if piece he plays,.i think if the stradevari violin use to play for a right piece to hear the whole quality ,
Nossa, nada a ver as músicas q eles escolheram para tocar no violino, fiquei na mesma.
sou mais o stradivari!
Sim, todo mundo 😂😂😂
duuuh... whats the point on comparing them if they play different pieces... anyway, i pref. Guarneri
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jack blacks long lost twin brother?
ahaha, yeah
Debería haber tocado la misma pieza en los dos violines.
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Acredito que o Guarneri é uma cópia do Stradivarius. Até pq foi no mesmo período em que os violinos foram feito pela natureza da madeira de ouro..
Aquí falta la adaptabilidad del músico intérprete, que le faltó mucho más tiempo para practicar con ambos violines.. En momentos sonaba a como que se desafiaba... Sin embargo el sonido de cada uno tienen ese tono único y diferente... Que no superan otros a menos que sean de 1715, 1717
Guarneri Guarneri Guarneri!
Guarneri,una marcia in più!
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Guarneri has it......
In these capriccios better Guarnieri. Bravo Cardinale
Guarneri best!
GUARNERI VIBRA EN OTRA FRECUENCIA, LOS DOS SON INCREIBLES.
Guarneri powerfull
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Stradivari, no doubt.
They choose the wrong piece to display the Stradivari. Stradivari is better
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Hmmm... Between the two ...
I WIN.
I'm no Violin enthusiast, but watching this man playing makes me think about what the heck's he doing?!!
Para fazer uma comparação , acho melhor a mesma música ...
Além do mais , houve uma tendência a mostrar que o Guarnieri é melhor ...
Ambos são belíssimos... Mas o Strad se sobrepõe
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è un mio amico...e me ne vanto!
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