(Part Two) KTM Wanted £1000 to fix this £3.30 problem 🤣
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- This is the second and final part of a series of videos looking at a KTM690 Duke with terrible running problems. KTM gave the owner a quote of £1000 to fix the issue, in reality it needed a part that cost £3.30!
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“I refuse to walk back to the tool box to get a socket!”:😂😂😂😂😂. Been there, sooooooooo many times
A brilliant demonstration of diagnostics. The KTM owner lucked out coming to you Jim. Mate sent me a post last night saying KTMs are now coming with a free dog so you have company when you're walking home😂.
A good demonstration of a mechanic vs a fitter ,a fitter fits ,the mechanic doesnt panic .
Waffle away Jim, even when we know what you are talking about you still teach us something 👍
I did not learn a little, I was schooled. Thank you for this video!
@@faniesmith KTM shit bikes not built to a higher standard as to the Japanese bikes buy an older bike and spend more time having fun
This guy is genius! I am unable to ride bikes due to my legs not working anymore! I watch him everyday still learning keep it up Jim
Great job identifying the actual problem. Just shows experience, knowledge & the correct equipment is needed for these modern bikes.
or a simple fuel filter to not crack , true though great diag of a know problem , Turkish quality fuel filters crack at low hrs too.
I am so glad that I grew up when bikes just had a carb and points ignition. No wonder dealers make a fortune out of people when a fault occurs. The average rider these days would not have a clue! That also includes me.
You did well there, just It’s a pity the ECU wasn’t screaming ‘low fuel pressure’ 🤔
The kid at the end is a riot! Love it. Keep it coming!!!
The kid didn't waffle, he got right to the point.
So good to see a proper diagnosis and not just the firing of the 'parts canon'.
I did that the other week.... only to find a dud spark plug, BRAND NEW!!!, and was firing as bright as the sun, but didn't work when in the bike... no compression test could have figured that. Loose spade connectors is another "sometimey" problem (such as an injector plug/connector) - and finding direct replacement wiring injector (and others) connector-plugs is ny on impossible for so many vehicles! Try Cycle Terminal in New Jersey... Joe does have a fair few.
Flat front tyre, just ride on the back one! 😂. LOL
Brilliant stuff, just watched both parts to this, did anyone notice the fuel squirt out the filter when you pulled it from the tank? about 10:18 i thought hey there it is, before you found it...
The way you put the information over to us JOE PUBLIC is brilliant,,,, keep it up!! 🔧🔧🔧🔧
Your fighting with those 10mm bolts with a crappy little spanner had me in stitches .... yes, you (and 99% of us) should have used wandered off and got a socket, but we don't, and for THAT solidarity with your audience, I salute you Sir. On that basis alone I subbed, keep on keeping on!
LOL and you know which socket always goes to the nineth dimension, that is why the walk back to the toolbox would have been fruitless.
Jim you call it waffling lol, I call it an education, never to old to learn, brilliant videos best on youtube thanks 👍🍻
Just found you on RUclips, as a self taught mechanic over 50 years, rounding nuts and breaking things till I learnt not to, this is great watching/learning. I like your explanations, and even if it is beyond my brain at first, I eventually am beginning to grasp the concepts. As for diagnostics it is opening up a whole new chapter in my abilities etc. As many of us do on here we continue to use the wrong tool and refuse to get the best one from the tool box, because...... because...... we just do!
Hi Jim, I have been fixing my owe bikes fir 70 years always of carburetors. I came across tour video today which I enjoyed and learnt from. Many thanks Rob.
Split filters happen often on the old (80’s) k75 / 100 BMW’s with KJetronic injection, from new it got to the stage where we just changed them on pre delivery and had the apprentice test them during slack times, 50% failure rate was not uncommon.
The basics are the best point to start with, then the diagnosis kit, odds are it’s something simple most of the time.
Nicely done, take care.
I don’t understand why there wasn’t any fuel leaks or smell?
@@edsyphan3425 Thanks for observation.
As with the KTM the fuel leakage from the split filter was internal in the tank.
The only indication was low fuel pressure and loss of performance.
The BMW KJetronic had a few interesting tricks. The fuel pressure regulator was on the injector rail and modulated by manifold pressure, with some skull duggery you could up the fuel pressure in the rail and get a richer mixture and more performance.
The cold start enrichment (about 10% extra fuel) was controlled by a coolant temp sensor separate from the ECU temp sensor, the cold start enrichment modified the map as a part of the closed loop cycle until the coolant temp sensors cut the enrichment and open cycled the map.
BUT
If you were fully warmed up with the engine running and pressed the starter button the ECU denied the starter solenoid power but layed the cold start enrichment over the map so you got a rich power mixture out of it.
Bosch did some sneaky things and told very few people.
@@pebrede ok, didn’t notice it being the internal type. Seems a lot better than the near catastrophe I had on a 2009 BMW RT, the fittings were plastic and I had fuel dripping down on my header pipe.
@@edsyphan3425 Unfortunately price and labour rule design now with the HP, style and utility being the other lesser factors.
I’ll stick with points, push rods, and kick starting for the moment .
Take care and be observant.
Compliment met je werk Top eindelijk iemand die weet waar hij mee bezig is 👍👍
I could watch you all day, I’ve learnt so much about fuel
Injection and pulse widths, sensors and how they work, a split fuel filter would of stayed totally unfound if that was me, open and honest mistakes and how you won’t let anything go , keepThem coming , your a genius tbh !!
Being old school, That was the most informative utube video on modern bike computer systems I have seen. I now have a little more idea how this stuff works. I like the down to earth methodical way you approach a problem.
One reason I wont own a ktm or RE or BMW I only trust Japanese bikes and after 44 of them never had a serious failure. Respect to u. Love the channel
Had an SH300 issue recently. Duff thermostat stuck closed - FFS- overheat, combined with bad injector spade connections, combined with a faulty, BRAND NEW, NGK spark plug that performed brighter than the sun - failed when installed. Every machine, even from the same family (twins too!), has it's own mechanical personality.
Superb diagnostic video, I have in the past ,first compression test, second fuel pressure test,even sometimes a leak down test, these easy tests sometimes finds faults without even opening up my electrical diagnostic kit bag.
I completely agree with you 100%, That's solid advice 👌 👍
You know what makes sense? is the sense you make that helps us make sense of what sence you are making. Does that make sense? Love it.
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Good catch! Most people would have changed to fuel pump straight away just to find a problem not solved!
Hopefully, all the ktm techs are watching this!!! Cheers.
I can't see anyone else in the country doing a dive this deep into this bike. Really impressive.
That was great sleuthing to find the cracked filter. Cracked filters have been rather prevalent on KTMs for some reason. I loved my 690 Enduro R. Thanks for the vid.
I’m learning so much from these videos, but the real surprise was…. cornering at 70 - on a flat tyre! 😂
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Thanks for video. Finally someone says what open and closed loop means. AND what long and short term fuel trims are. Much appreciated. I am less ignorant now! Ted
Fell on these 2 videos fantastic content get yoursel a coffee 👍
Good work Jim, Thanks for taking the time to share/ upload.
Very informative video, just shows main dealers do not have a clue at times.
Great vid! very informative and honest , I had a very bad experience with a KTM dealer in Hemel Hampstead never mind they lost customers ...Thanks for your vid and sharing knowledge!
Many thanks again Jim , I've been waiting for part two ,what an awesome video , I love the diagnostic side of things , I think most people can pull something to bits and put it back together again , but its the initial diagnosis where the real expertise comes to light , I've learnt a lot from just this one video ,
Wish I could get back on discord lol I've had a bit success with my bandit 1200 and the afr meter ,the same one as yours , keep making the videos Jim 👍
Thanks Mate 👍
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV
Just found ur ch, njoyd the find on the 690, gr8 reminders on the fault finding, thanks.
And, wots a socket?😂😂😂
Like and Subscribed, done.👍👏
Go easy on yourself bud .. your fixing bikes dealers cant fix.. filming it all for us.. .. accidents with the pressure gauge is small potatoes inthe whole scheme of things..
New watcher here ..lovin it .
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Jim, great content, I really enjoy how technical you get in all your your videos. I would really enjoy a video on the tools & equipment you have in your arsenal & the tools that you just could not manage without in your workshop & van. Thanks for the great content & keep them coming.
fantastic find , excellent diagnosing , might be phoning you for my moody MT07
You did a great job explaining.
I reflashed my own bike, a Mash TT40.
Bought an Aliexpress CB400SS exhaust and welded a bung in it.
Ran sh*tty. Wouldn't pull above 3000rpm.
Together with hud ecu flash and selfmade obd2 cable and tactrix open port plug and months of research i was prepaired for this.
So i programmed an open loop system because the narrowband O2 sensor wil otherwise keep it too lean.
Runs better now than original.
Brilliant. First time watching thanks...
Welcome!
Waffles aren't always bad. I finally understand the short term fuel trim. Working with Mercedes, I only have access to long term fuel trim, so I always knew short term was there, but never payed it much attention. Waffle away! I find your tangents to be insightful and useful.
Refreshing to see a man happy in his work...
This was super fascinating!!! Thanks for the in depth detail.
Great diagnostics. My eyes glaze over from time to time, but love the detail.
You and me both!
Nice job. Years ago I had a fuel pump that split like that. Just shows that it pay's to check all the basics first, and if you can't duplicate the problem DO NOT start throwing parts at it.
My bandit 1200s right at the end of riding season here in Canada It started acting like fuel starvation intermittently. Checked petcock checked floats, seat needles jets. Just as I was about to install and try again, Why I don't know but I decided to check the TPS for OHMs and it failed open circuit on the 2 outer pins. I have owned this bike since new in 2001 and she has been dead reliable. So after 280k kms I can't bitch about it , basic Maintenace, adjust valves, oil changes forks included and that has been it. I don't think I will ever replace it with a EFI bike. I work on cars for a day job and see all the problems they have why the hell would I want that on my bike?
Really injoyed that video I hope that KTM garage was watching what if he had ordered new throttle
Body’s at 1000 pounds.
Great video, after 40-odd years of working on bikes, I learned some new stuff.
Only just found you,been building my own since 1970.
Enjoying seeing the skills of other mechanics
Thxx
Good job there are people like you around to sort this kind of crap out. Dealers are often a waste of time and will just keep on fitting parts at your expense until they can fix it.
Before my knees gave out I was a 'Power Ranger' and had to give up bikes. A friend then showed me a Superduke and I feel in love, it was good to hear you say how much you liked them as it makes me want one even more. Have a great evening Sir.
I've only just found your channel - subbed after the frist five minutes 🙂 great work!!!
Awesome, thank you!
Well done Jim I might be 68 but love learning the tech stuff thanks very much. Did understand everything you said.
Awesome, that makes me happy 👍
Wow, these modern bikes are so much more complex then the bikes I owned, maintained and rebuilt - mainly 70's and 80's stuff.but with a few 90's and 00's bikes. Very interesting videos though, shows a different set of skills needed for the modern bikes!
Ha! I had a 2002 Bmw that wouldn't run due to low fuel pressure - the in-tank filter had become blocked, and been blown off the fuel line , so no pressure at all. I believe we replaced the filter with a car version (no bm dealers in that town) and good to go.
I love your videos and the way you explain things. Your video about bike transmission is the best on RUclips. Thanks for explaining things for a complete knob like me!
Thanks for the kind words 🙏
Thank you for explaining the details (I do not consider that waffling) and continued education.
There are company's out there that make billett, cleanable filters to replace those shitty plastic ones. Also that's a very common issue with ktms. Also the regulators fail a lot too. Master Orange Level KTM mechanic since 2005. If done 100's if these. Also yes always do the 15 minutes of idle relearn after a ecu reset. It can actually correct a lot of running issues.
You come across as a great bike technician and very honest, subbed 👍
Ecu demand of fuel vs actual fuel delivery or compensation
due to lack of pressure. Nice
Brilliant again as per. Hopefully the owner appreciates that it’s not gonna cost 1k 😂. These dealers really take the piss.
As always Jim, very impressive with your expertise and sharing it, with all of us. 👍
Glad I found your channel. Hunting for the source of harsh vibrations on my bike around 4-5k rpm. Now narrowed my search area to the foot pegs area. Thanks for sharing, hope to learn from you a lot.
Great job. Well done. 👏👏👏👏
Amazing diagnostic! Great job
There’s a handful of things it could of been. Any vacuum leak in the intake tract from the TB on, so manifold, evap or other hoses etc. Also any exhaust leak ahead of the oxygen/AF ratio sensor can cause a problem. If exhaust can leak out, oxygen can get in.
Tha last minute cracked me up. Love it! 🤣🤣🤣
Aaaaargh!...little people !!!! Great Vid. x
well I for one bloody enjoyed that well done that man 👏👏👏👏.
Note:- some o them filters are multifit and have stepped ends. If u are on the larger dial part, cot off the smaller unused bit, as may be restrictive to flow
What a fantastic video, first one of yours I’ve seen, and really informative. Loved the bit with the kids at the end too :-)
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it 👍
A bit late to the party watching this, even though most of it was above my pay grade... I learnt little bits still. Thank you.
Found your vids mate, great use of logic and experience. Nice to see you using Texa's full features to aid diagnosis. I'm using Texa every day on HGV's doing same on them. Had similar fault on an MV F41000 with rotten internal tank hoses. Top man, keep up the great vids.
Just found this channel. Brilliant mate.👍
Thanks for sharing, that was time well spent watching. KTM most likely have installed a new throttle body and then realised they were other issues. Maybe not, depends on their local shop culture. But you saved Him at least five hundred quid. (OMG, Yes, it made sense 🙃) Cheers from Downunder.
Good vid throughly enjoyed it as well as the first , but for the sake of this old engineers o.c.d PLEASE it is pronounced stoykee oh metric (stoichiometric) which is the exact fuel to air ratio for efficient combustion which is ideally 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel but can vary by a few percentage points across the whole spectrum of combustion events from cold start (needing richer = more than 14.7). to hot running weak (less than 14.7 parts air to one part fuel)
Top man , I’m no way mechanically minded but love the video’s, keep up the good work
That last bit with the kids was brilliant 😂
Interesting that KTM are the only manufacturer that makes a 285 degree twin, maybe that's the fun factor, another informative post 👍
Phil Irving said they same thing about 60? Years ago, Ryan over at channel 'fortnine' RF9, has a vid about the 285°, 270° debate.
Just found this channel. Gr8 reminders about fault finding. 👍
@@colinm1325 Strangely enough 'Driving 4 answers' already has a video refuting the video made by fortnite.
@@freddieclark,
anyone is allowed their point of view, but, l'll take Phil Irving's point of view, thanks.
@@colinm1325 I would check out the video at Driving 4 answers, seems to make perfect sense to me.
Really enjoyed this methodical diagnostic approach 👍
One more quick note: And this is why you don't want an EFI Bike kids. None of this happens with a good old carburetor. You don't need any fancy scan tool to fix your own bike.
Excellent review of how to properly take your time and find the real problem when working on an EFI bike though. Well done sir.
Great video, Jim, Thanks...
Quite a common thing to happen in the dirt bike world is KTM fuel filters (MAHLE) splitting. Best dual sports bikes (Check out his RUclips channel) did a massive article on it and he made his own aluminum version with replaceable elements. I bought one for my 300 tpi exc.
Thanks Mate, great info 👍 As I always say "every day is a school day"
@@SuperbikeSurgeryTV funny where you give it a fist full up to the junction followed by, my God that front tyres flat as you're trying to haul it up to a stop 😂
Love the KTM 690 Duke. It's a really little toy that can easily get you into trouble.
Your child is mental 🤣😂
😂 I think I'd get myself into a lot of trouble owing one of them!
Ironically had a Mahle fuel filter split on a VW bus recently. Not saying there is a problem with them across the board, just that maybe when it comes to fuel injection they probably hold up less well than say fitted to a carbureted engine?
Brilliant diagnosis.
excellent video, you are very talented.
That black corrugated fuel pipe looks like the same crap VW Audi use!
Well done Jim love this kind of video so educational 👍👏
I once explained long term/short term fuel map differences to a guy who when I finished simply said "So long term is like the ocean tide, and short term like the swells".
f----ecu is using adaptive strategy---- so long term fuel trim changes are adjusted on drive cycles, incrementally (cold to hot; usually below 20c to above 80c) short term are immediate on closed feedback loop... and adjustments not retained in memory--- usually takes 3 drive cycles for long term to adapt to new values ---- baffling---- takes me about a week to explain that verbally---lol---- good vids!!!
We need yer waffle mate cos we all learn something!!!! THANKS Simon
Did you say you're not apologising for not waffling? I'm confused. Lol. Nah. All good i like to comment to help your channel. So excited about the regular content. Loved the ending!
Yes never apologise for your talent it is for others to learn and keep up.
Great stuff Jim the future is diagnostic..lol
here in the colonies, the plastic male quick connector are notorious for cracking with age, I've been swapping them to steel to stop the problem, also have replaced many short turn fuel hoses between fuel pump and fuel filter inside the tank on BMW's, quite common as age creeps in causing the same misdiagnosed issue you solved here
Just found this and it’s very interesting. Last time I worked on bikes it was my rd350 😂 how things have changed my Ducati Multistrada blows my mind
I literally thought as you were doing that with a spanner, why are you using a spanner. It was like you read over a million minds at the same time 🤣🤣
Super interesting !!! Thanks👍🏾
Lovely video. The kids warmed my heart. My 2 would be exactly the same.😂
Loving the more regular content. 👍
Excellent work, what a clever chap 😊
I owned a fuel injected kawasaki in 1981...The fuel filter was always number #1 thing to look at ...from KTM part ..1.. I already knew what the problem was leaking or blocked
Hey you fuel trim only reporting short term is one of two things.
I take it your looking at KTM factory data ?.
In car date factory data is processed data from the ECU.
Where in cars (EOBD) generic data is not processed .
I don't know if your Diagnostic ready gives you that option.
If it doe's try it.
Nice video( only saying).