DIFFERENT TYPES OF DRYWALL MUD
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2018
- This is a quick explanation of what the uses and limitations of different types of air drying and quickset muds are used for to help make choosing the right mud easier.
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Excellent review; concise, professional and well edited as usual. Thanks very much.
I love your videos and have learned a bunch on how to mud. It's been 25 or so years since I taped and finished any drywall (non-professional) and it is refreshing to see your instruction.
35 years doing home improvements never had someone explain so well thanks🇺🇸
Dude thank you for finally demystifying drywall mud for me! You're my go-to for videos on taping
I really enjoy your videos. It would be great to see how you deal with fixing problems in existing conditions (i.e. Correcting a slope in a ceiling with mud) and applying mud in very tight spaces over Windows and doors in older renovations where replacing, say existing plaster with drywall is not an option due to cost of other considerations.
Also fixing previously botched work would be interesting
Good video. There’s SO many varieties and brands of mud. Never heard of lightweight taping mud here in the states. But then I got out of new construction and into just smaller remodels and repairs for the last 15 years. I used to run the full set of taping tools but now the only thing I own is a banjo and a 10 inch mud box and pump.
I have learned so much from your series of videos.. im in vancouver too and doing some renovations in our house. I needed to get some finishing mud and I watched this video to learn what to look for. Just cleared everything up for me. I wish I would have watched this video before I skim coated a ceiling with quick set 90min :) sanding was a bear.. anyway, thank you again, Tom from West Vancouver
Awesome reviews. Im sure i speak for alot people when i say thanks for taking time out of your life to make this video for us!
Thanks James:)
Yay, great video. I finally get it all. No more hussin over what to buy and what to use for my home repairs. A big Mahalo to you Ben from your viewer here on the Hawaiian Islands. Mahalo!
When I first did some drywall work in my house..I had no idea what was what and kinda just found out with trial and error. It means a lot to know what kinda mud to use in oder to get a durable and aesthically pleasing finished product. Great vid
going from using all purpose for everything, to now using taping mud and finishing mud, was a game changer. So much easier and better finish.
great video. i do patching for an hvac company so its all small stuff, and i have settled on quickset and all purpose too. it allows me to tape and coat in a day and not have to come back to do another coat, just come back and sand and paint and im done.
I actually use alot of 5 minute mud, mixed in a pan with a dril powered paint mixer, for the very small jobs i do its the fastest method. i have found the 5mn too fast for taping however.
Everything you’ve advised not to do I’ve in the past these videos have helped tremendously thanks.
I just happen to come across this channel because I wanted a better mud -- but I used to watch your skate vids from four years ago! *minds blown* small world!
Thanks for your expertise, Ben. Your recommendations and methods have come in handy (I'm no craftsman with drywall).
Really cool! It’s nice to learn new things! Here in Honolulu, me and my guys keep it simple. All purpose for the tape, and plus 3 for the rest. I never use all purpose to coat because it’s so hard to sand. Plus 3 is easier to work with. And the quick jobs we use 5 or 20 min as well as plus 3. Not to complicated.
do you add a bit of water to thin it out a bit on both muds?
Great job with these vids. You’re a great teacher. Really appreciate how you focus on the mess it up and do it yourselfers. 😁.
Best drywall series on RUclips. Thanks!
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@@cattnipp so what you're saying is, of the so many times you've watched so many of his videos you've come away feeling so miserable from all the so's that you want to no longer watch this so-and-so's so-so videos? I kid I kid. Hope you can look past the so's (or hear past them?) because this is some of the best content on YT, hands down.
@@oceanzmat I hate you for pointing out the "so's".... I agree, the videos are great!
Gold.
My notes for anyone else since the information density here is off the charts (thank you):
Filling gross voids and other prep (e.g. mesh tape over nasty patches)
- Use a SETTING mud so it doesn’t shrink
- Synko Concrete Fill
- Hamilton Ultra-Fill
- Both have some ‘soft’ filler, like Perllite
20 minute quick-setting mud
- Similar to above
- Mesh tape work, stuff that you don’t care if it cracks
- Mostly for in-and-out-in-a-day or for deep fills
- Don’t plan on being able to sand
Taping
- Lite Taping
- Coats horrible, sands horrible
- But loaded with glue so it STICKS
All-Purpose
- Lite
- Certainteed Lite All-purpose
- Synko Lite Line
- USG Plus 3
- ProForm Lite*Blue
- You _CAN_ tape with it, but not as good as a regular mud
- TAILGATE WARRANTY
- OK for inside corners and taping in a pinch
- Not too bad to sand
- Heavy
- USG Sheetrock Green Lid (All Purpose)
- ProForm Black Lid (All Purpose)
- Hamilton Red Dot
- Very Sticky, Very Strong, but a bear to sand
Finish Mud
- Certainteed Lite Finishing
- Synko Classic Finish
- Beadex Lite Topping
- ProForm TOPPING
- USG Topping
- DON’T use for covering steel beads
- DO use for good, bubble-free first coats
- VERY easy to sand: skip the 120 - it will scratch the heck out of it
Small Job:
- Mesh tape and quick-set on FLATS and BUTTS
- Paper tape and All-Purpose for Inside corners
- Quick-set for Corner Beads
- First coat with All-Purpose
- Finish coat with All-Purpose
Large Job:
- Concrete-fill for deep patches and pre-fill
- Taping Mud and Paper tape for taping (strongest, longest lasting)
- Finish Mud for all else
I don't understand why manufacturers do not have such thing in stores.
What is big job vs small job, to either a pro or a DIYer?
Where I work in Ontario, we only use all purpose and we always use steel beads if we can. We use vinyl for bullnose, half bead, and splayed. Steel is strong and you can make them straight if the framing is wonky.
There is _only_ steel bead!
I've tried all the different bead types at Lowe's and prefer the Viny trimtexl over all the others. I do a first coat with sheetrock "quick set". I use all purpose for everything else.
Nice video, it would be helpful if you used in your video Bullet Points showing the mud to use in the different scenarios you talked about. You gave a lot of information pretty fast. Thanks!
Agree
+1
I moved to Michigan from Ontario in 1999. When I moved, Michigan was a head in the mud game and had lightweight Plus 3 as opposed to where I lived in Central Ontario where we were still mudding all coats with All Purpose. I used to hate sanding until I moved to Michigan. I hadn't realized that Canada had since surpassed the US.
Thanks for the info! In Norway its one mud fits all, no mixing the mud before starting and not covering the paper with mud after applying it..
Beat description of the different types of mud and purposes so far! Thanks
Knowledge is power! Thanks for sharing your experience and expertise with us!
I just started finishing my own drywall jobs, thanks for the great tips.
I used topping on a bigger remodel for final coat and texture its was such a treat to work with after the hotmud and heavy crap.
LOL, i used floor patch (left over from a floor tile job) for deep fill around a couple spots on my ceiling drywall. better then buying a bag of concrete type stuff i'm only going to use a little bit of. floor patch is just plaster that doesn't dry quite as fast and is a little easier to sand because of the extra stuff they put in it to make it less prone to cracking
Thanks for making your explanation simple and straight to the point I'm actually more confused now than ever
Tom Marsala mentioned "bullet points"... I'm trying to take notes and having text (accompanying the video) would sure be helpful. aah... MORE helpful. Your videos are great!
In my local commercial trade we use All Purpose for taping and first coast, and Lite, or Plus 3, for second and skim coat. Don't know where you heard we only have all purpose. But yes, it is heavier. And the extra glue in it helps create a solid base for your top coats.
Hi, I'm learning a lot from your videos thank you. Can you make a video pre mixed vs mixed and include how you work the mud to be usable and how you mix them?
Dude your amazing. Finally understand drywall. Love you videos.
Great video man. Very informative and well explained. As are all your videos!! 👍👍
I appreciate your content. Suggest you include a table or graphic to explain the differences in products. Thanks!
we have usg green all purpose out here in ontario, I use it for tapeing, red or all purpose lite for finishing or machine mud for finishing. When I was on west coast it took me a while to get used to what you guys use. Oh and green all purpose is heavy weight as well.
Here in states.. it depends on what the stores carry. And allot of the boxes/ bags don't clearly indicate the intended purpose.
Stores don't carry to much variety.
I’ve noticed The advertising tends to be intentionally misleading just to get sales. Every product at Home Depot says easy sand when really only one type (plus 3) is actually easy to sand. Also the words all purpose is super misleading. But each product does have its place, and once you figure out what it is then you’re good to go
Oh wow, thanks for clarifying the dry time on the hot mud; didn't know that and was a bit confused why one project took DAYS to dry ahahaha.
I just used a setting mud for the first time and loved it. I am doing a bathroom and wanted a mould-resistant mud which I can only get in a 90-minute, M2 CGC. I have always used multi-purpose low-dust mud because I was afraid of the mixing process for setting muds and it is convenient. I guess now that I have done a couple of rooms I am a bit more comfortable with the process and the mixing, getting the consistency right, isn't as daunting.
I am doing a few rooms and repairs at my daughter's house, but I have to do my whole house, so I can use all that I have learned doing hers. lol
A video that would be nice is how to finish around a tub surround. I just installed a Maax direct-to-stud surround and tub and while there are videos showing the installation, I haven't seen one on how to finish the wall after installation. I drywalled around it and I am going to use silicone caulk with 1/4 cove moulding for the finish between the wall and tub/surround. It seemed like the easiest and most logical way to do it.
The best series! And I am a zero experience girl trying to prepare my walls 😀 so far the joints are good 😂
😂😂😂😂
Here in Newfoundland, most plasterers I've found use CGC All Purpose, either the white buckets, or boxes, or beige. I've used CGC beige for everything basically my whole plaster career, only since I started working with a restoration company do we use quickset sheetrock 20 in some cases. Not to say I've never seen a problem with it, but never an issue that can't be solved with a mud touch up, or in a pinch, one-time (drydex, the pink stuff) if what I'm patching has been painted already.
In my DIY experience, I found the lightweight compound not very good for what I've done - I have generally decided not use it. This review has been helpful.
Thanks for doing these videos! Very informative, wish I could come do some jobs and learn in person from ya. Keep it up you're doing a much needed service 🙂
Great video!!! I like that "Tailgate Warranty" line.
Customer asks "How long is the warranty?"
Answer is "How long is your driveway?"
I've been finishing drywall here in the states for years and personally I like to quickly down a pint of Jack Daniels and just start throwing the mud at the wall with both hands, works quite nicely.
Keeps your hands dry and manly, chicks dig it!
This video took all the damn confusion about mud out of the way! Thanks man.
DIY, I have always used all purpose mud, to be honest I never had a clue. Thanks for the information. Take care
I use sheetrock "quickset" for patches and big fills. Vinyl beads, I just prefer working with them and first coat with them is quickset mud. All Purpose for everything else. I've had 2 joints crack in 5 years so it does the job. I typically just use tape for joints unless it's like a small bathroom or kitchen that I have the time to do 2 coats in a day, then it's mesh and quickset. For the all purpose, I just thin it down to whatever consistency I need. I've had a few pro tapers tell me they just use all purpose, nothing else and maybe a couple get into the weeds on all the other stuff.
I did some work in the Midwest and was given mud to use called Lafarge. The plus3 version of their product was awesome. I’ve never used any other that sanded as easy as that.
Ben - I think that I have watched most of your drywall vids and have learned so much. Thanks for taking the time to make these - you have a real talent for this type of thing, both the construction and video documentary! As a semi-retired guy in SoCal who has been tackling more extensive home projects I believe that I have found an issue with topping compound, Westpac GreenDot in particular. I had been using Westpac RedDot all purpose for taping and filling, and then finishing off with GreenDot topper. Yes the topper sands so easily but the GreenDot leaves a very powdery film when finished, even when wiped off just before priming. I have noticed that the primer adhesion seems to be very lacking when using this topper an now use Easysand 45 for taping and filling and All Purpose RedDot for finishing and this seems to work the best for me. Any thoughts on this issue and if its common to all toppers?
However informative this video is on which drywall compound to use for which situation there is room for more education. When I looked up the same question in French the dry wallers were more thorough in advising on dust control, actual ingredient lists and that quick set compounds are actually Plaster of Paris with varying amounts of aggregates to delay your set time. That’s why the compound doesn’t shrink. The more home owners more about what their dealing with the less likely they are to make mistakes.
I'm just a casual DIYer but I recently switched to using an electric drywall sander. with that, it sands setting hot mud into a mirror smooth in minutes so I avoid buying pre-mixed mud all together. best $100 ever spent and no dust!
Love your vids! Been very helpful . Also like tool box in the background like to get a closer look .
This is golden! Thanks for including the USA part. In NYC it's just USG green lid and plaster of paris... sigh.
It would really help if there was a different color for different days of the week and months of the year. This I would make it so much easier for newbies!
As always a great and helpful video! Someday could you do a video about how to fix something like a golf ball size hole, one that goes the whole way through and one that doesn’t?
Great channel. You should make a video on how to mix mud for different applications and the right way. Cheers
Thanks for the videos but like others who watched this one I'm left confused. In the US I have not seen taping mud. Can you tell me what mud is best to use for taping that is available in the US? I saw you add glue to quickset in some cases, can glue be added to all purpose mud for setting the tape? Thanks again!
Hi. Great vids, learning alot. Just one question. How do you fill in a chased electrical wall, what products would you use. Thanks
Your videos have help me put heaps. You would be impressed by my resent plastering. Thanks to you
It’s interesting how people do things differently in different regions. I guess we all get good at doing things with the materials we have. Here in New England, the guy that does all my taping uses nothing but USG “green lid” AP and a 6” knife. No trowel. VERY minimal sanding. Everything is flat. Corners are sharp and straight. There may be a better combination of muds to use, but he does a fantastic job with what he’s given.
those kind of tradesmen!!! I praise them
6'' is not enough to fill out joints and beads... a good butt joint is at least 30'' wide.
Great video, and I particularly like the part were you up to you up your Canadian accent to imitate Canadians giving Americans dry walkers a hard time about carrying the heavy mud.
TO those that are still confused. You need at least 2 types of mud if you install drywall... "Medium" and "light". Heavy for filling gaps less then an inch i believe. Medium is for taping corners and large swaths that hide a ridge, light is for "hiding" the medium spread you used to smooth out a height difference. the wider and shallower it is the spread is, the less noticeable it'll be. But you can't use the light mud only for that large spread because it'll crack over time possibly, hence you use medium as a "filler" to reduce the risk of cracking. That's what I get from it anyway.
Excellent concise explanation. I got it!
Very helpful information ! Thanks !!
Thanks for the explanation. Clear as mud. ;-)
nice
You are the man, thanks for your videos !!!
I live in the states - I just scrambled through two house renos and was provided only the green top heavy all purpose. I feel so lied to. My goodness this is going to go so much better next time...
The "aggregate" you mention with Concrete Fill should be clarified. It has glass fibres that strengthen the compound after it sets off so it's stronger than your given setting type compound.
When I heard you say aggregate, I immediately thought of the heavier texture mixes, so I figured I would contribute a bit to clear things up.
Love it thanks VC!!!
Thanks for the rundown. You communicate well.
Very nice. Covered a lot of ground and experience in 7min. Did not cover thinning of the types which is typical in US with many compounds. Good topic for future video.
I have noticed that the mud is thinner straight out of the box. Most of our mud here is unworkable until you add water. Only our taping mud comes a bit thinner. I will have to pick up some mud next time I'm in the states to do a comparison.
Just the info I needed. Thank you.
Thanks for going over all the materials and their applications. What would you recommend I use on a 90 year old house with plaster and lath walls. I wanted to smooth out some areas by doing a skim coat. I'm in Hamilton Canada. Thanks for all your videos they are very helpful
Thanks! Gonna find some taping mud down here in South Jersey.
You won't find it if your looking for taping mud...ask for joint compound
I'm doing my house now and I just use heavy all purpose for everything. For taping and skimming I just thin it down with water. I just didn't want to deal with having lots of different muds. I did buy one bag of durabond to prefill some joints that I was nervous about though
I would recommend going into the different types of hot muds. Sheetrock 90/45/... is very different than durabond 90/45/... I use both and have read that durabond should be used in several usecases including pre-filing in new wood stud installs and bathrooms. I prefer sheetrock 90 for big fills on retrofit installs as it's lighter and seems to have longer working time. Durabond has amazing adhesion and strength.
I'm not sure but I think that durabond is similar to plaster.
Regarding box stores, be careful as they often don't sell finishing mud. Most sell "machine mud" which I think is pretty good for finishing.
machine mud is a finishing light weight mud that is good at leaving no bubbles. My favorite for skim coating machines or not.
This is very helpful. Thanks!
Alot of People forget about the Location factor, The Weather and temperature of a city or Province/State are what manufacturers have to keep in mind also. Most places in the states Have a Higher temp so they require more mold resistance. Here in CA where its colder we can get away with Light muds and Less Dense materials.
Real good info. Thank you
I'm a Drywall Taper in Ontario. We use similar products here. I always go with CGC mud. Sheetrock 90, 45, and 20. I usually prefill with 45, use CGC taping mud ( A Green Box), then pending on size of job i will first coat butt joints and beads with Sheetrock 45 or 90, then all purpose CGC mud ( Red Box). But its similar to what was mentioned in this video
Do you think I could use taping mud for my first coat? I bought a box of certainteed taping but I only have a room and a walk-in closet to tape. I dont want to waste it.
I do have some light all purpose but was thinking of using it for my finish coat.
Any thoughts or tips would be aporeciated!
Great Video, should be required watching for the Pro's at home depot who tell you there is no difference in muds
I was taught a long time ago to use 2 1/2 in mesh. And do first 2 with hot and finish blue lid
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And,
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Kudos to your Channel!
I have learn something new every time I watch your Videos!
Saludos my Canadian Friend!
Thank you, very informative.
How about a video for beginners nmudding dry wall?.. thanks
So very helpful, thank you
Awesome info love it👍
Im going to refinish old dark wood paneling. Currently planning on priming and painting. I’ve seen a few people use drywall mud to fill the cracks and then sand it down to make it look like drywall. Have you ever seen this done well/look good? If so which mud would you use, I’m in the US and still don’t quite understand which mud has more glue than others.
Thanks
thanks alot , now i have to drag around seven different pails, just kidding, Ill stick wit what i have been doing, quick set for patches and first coat depending how much time I have and all purpose for everything else I just use 100 grit for the bulk sanding takes it down real fast and makes a lot of dust, lol
Five years old and still relevant. We have remodeled our bathroom in our 100yr old cottage, outside of my framing.... the original walls and floor have been a drywalling nightmare... I have some gnarly gaps that need to be filled..
All I can find in Quebec is All-Purpose Lite. Home depot, Rona, Reno-Depot.... Nobody has topping/finishing or taping mud.
Simply awesome.
Very informative. thanks.
Perfect review
Great videos! Thanks for taking the time to make and post these. Quick question: for a relatively small job, using Sheetrock 90 and mesh tape for the flats and corner bead, do any gaps in the flats need to be pre-filled?
Not really. Only if they are 1/2" or bigger.
Thanks for your help
Thank you for all your videos! Ive done a bunch of stuff at my house now everyone in my family wants me to do jobs at their house lol
Thank you so much appreciate your information
Brilliant. Thank you