I’ll say what we’re all thinking… Hannah is an incredible cinema student. She sees characters well, gets their motivations, understands tone, and makes a large number of correct predictions. Salute.
its true, as a film student also I recognise things most dont but my god is she great at recognising things not many do on the first playthrough. Shes always impressing me how early she sees a plot forming
Agreed! Ash makes me laugh but I definitely prefer when Hannah is around to help balance with strong understanding of the film if Ash is in a particularly boisterous mood 🤣 no offense Ash hahah. Forest Gump was a good one for that too!
It’s hilarious that the director wanted these two actors just because he liked them, only to find out Miles knew how to play drums and grew up playing them, and JK Simmons used to be a conductor by pure accident
It's not a line, it's progression. Managing your passions is how you prevent them from becoming obsessions. Fletcher just didn't manage his passion and forced his methods onto others in the harshest ways possible.
also as funny is ash's idiot face ignoring shes not exactly pleased, he's clueless the poor bastard. So relatable. Its like a part of him is thinking " oops im begginning to realize im in trouble but im not sure why exactly" Dont stress mate SHE will tell you later for sure and as long as you recognize your lack of tact she ll forgive you, you lucky bastard you!! ( love you guys!!)
A series of facts about the movie, Whiplash: 1. The film was shot in 19 days, with filming lasting 14 hours most days. 2. During the jazz bar scene, that really is J.K. Simmons/Terence Fletcher/The Bald Guy playing, as Simmons used to play frequently and comes from a family of musicians. 3. Related to No. 2, Miles Teller/Neiman was a drummer since his mid-teens, though a double was used for certain shots and parts. 4. In a creepy twist of fate, the director of the film, Damien Chazelle, was in a car accident during the third week of the shoot and was hospitalized with a possible concussion. He promptly returned to the set the next day to finish on time. 5. The take used for Neiman's slapping scene was where Simmons slapped Teller for real. Furthermore, during the scenes where Andrew and the other drummers are exhausted, takes would often run into each other to actually make them tired. This even extended to Miles Teller ending up with actual blisters and bleeding sores from overplaying, making some of the blood actually his. 6. Director Damien Chazelle reveals that his movie's ending has… less than pleasant implications for Andrew. Specifically, he argues that Fletcher will always think he beat Andrew. Chazelle even states that Andrew will ''wind up dead in his '30s from a drug overdose'', making Andrew's previous comment of wanting to die broke and drunk at 34 incredibly disturbing in hindsight. Also, a little tidbit about Fletcher, Jo Jones, and Charlie Parker: Fletcher loves the story of Jo Jones sending Charlie Parker off the stage by throwing a cymbal at his head and framed it as a crucial moment when he determined to become the great musician he is known as now. He misses or omits that Jones didn't throw it at his head but his feet and it wasn't a personal attack with witnesses saying it was more playful than done out of anger and with Jones not intending to harm or humiliate Parker and Parker didn't play again for months and then only as an art form. The story was really about Parker realizing he wasn't suited to the rigid approach of Jones' band and determined to forge his own path and create his own style through rigid self-discipline but Fletcher interpreted it as a story about how Jones being abusive to Parker set him on the path to greatness and used it as a justification for his own cruelty. As an added bonus, Parker was also notorious for losing saxes (or pawning them to feed his drug habit) while misplacing equipment or sheet music is one of the many things that pisses Fletcher off.
There are rules just like any other workplace with having bodily fluids on set, so I take the claim that Miles really bled all over the equipment with a grain of salt.
Most people don't see what is happening in this movie. Obsession wins here, and we are supposed to question whether living a normal live is worth it, or trying to live for the history books. The shot at the end where the father watches in horror as his son becomes the legend he never became. He created a family, and lived in happiness. The main character will never have this. He gave up love and family to live a dream, and most likely would end as one of the music legends that end in an overdose in some bar toilet.
Yes, this movie cuestion the deep meanings of life. What is succes?, is it worth it?, Is it worth to love?, to be happy?, in contrast of a greater glory?. I think all resumes to legacy, all he wanted, is to be this one of a kind music prodigy, that people will remember even decades after he's long gone. To Attach his own self, in this lonely virtous peak. I think in the end, the answers to this cuestions belongs to ourselves, just through our appreciation and perspective of life, we can find the rights answers. For me, at least, I choose love, I choose one and other, I choose to create life, and protect it, I choose to contemplate all forms of beings. That's my legacy.
@@bobcobb3654 Read between the lines. It's symbolism for how every relationship in his life will play out. He chose his obession over bonding with people. That's what the theme of the movie is. You shouldn't take movies like this so literally.
Everyone sees the ending as a positive but it isn’t , the dad lost his son u can see in his face he’s worried and fletcher won … he got the great star student he wanted and didn’t care the effect it had on the kids
Not everyone. I would say most pathetic idiots on internet are whining about "abuse" and "hurt" Fletcher caused, and asking people to go Kumbaya into mediocrity. Heck, most video essays about this movie are outright depicting exactly your POV, and almost all reactions (at least westerners) don't like Fletcher and do not understand the value of sacrifice and anti-self-gratification. So, I am not saying you are not entitled to your opinion, which is perfectly valid BTW and what movie also explores, but please don't act like you are saying something brave or what no one else has said or what isn't the most common interpretation of film by modern audience
as someone studying to become a music teacher, i think this movie is a masterclass on how NOT to teach people lol being loud and abusive doesnt actually make people perform better, rather it makes them more nervous and more likely mess up
Absolutely. But the very few who would be able to take the abuse, persevere and learn from the experience, would be great musicians. Very damaged musicians, but legendary. Isn't that sort of true? Some of the best musicians in the world are terribly damaged individuals.
@@Cthulhu013the currency of musicianship is not talent or ability but confidence. Being a musician is a performance art, after all. You cant perform if your confidence hasn't been built up and cultivated by both your instructor and yourself. The hardass angle may work for a very small percentage of people, but it ultimately does more harm than good. People need positive reinforcement
@@yee2urhaw246 Confidence is not the only contributor to musical ability. It's not uncommon for great musicians to seriously, and pathologically doubt their own abilities and success. Imposter syndrome is a real thing that inflicts artists of all types. Positive reinforcement is often misleading, which may be one reason why so few ever reach true success.
Hannah, you feel so deeply for this film becasuse you yourself are an artist. Your acting requires, training, practice, study, discpline and mentorship. Hannah could face this same situation from an acting teacher, especially a method acting teacher. So I can see her relating very deeply to "Whiplash".
... not only the better take, she was 100% right on how sadistic Fletcheer was; while Ash's instincts are more like a battered wife seeking approval from her abusive husband.
“You need that teacher.” As someone currently getting their doctorate in music education, no you absolutely do not. There are ways to push your students to achieve more than they thought they ever could without breaking them so badly they take their own lives, or attack you. Greatness can be achieved without it costing human lives and sanity. Also, it’s a bass; not a cello. Anyway, I love y’all’s reactions!
Well. You need that teacher that holds you accountable and doesn’t bullshit/beat around the bush. Someone that pushes you and doesn’t kiss your ass You see it now with the younger generations
@@mdc1342 never said anything to the contrary. You can push your students, hold them accountable, and be honest with them all without causing them trauma.
Simmons performance is absolutely insane.. And with that said, you can push people to do their best without mentally abusing them. Love and respect is more powerful than hate and fear.
@@AleksandarIvanov69 yes, if you want to kill peoples passion and love for their craft in the process and turn them into a mental wreck. No, Simmons didn't have to do anything, his character did. No one says you have to hug your way to success, just that violence and abuse is not the way. Abuse is aggression without purpose(domestic violence has the purpose of being in control) so that is fine and a good practice, cause we are making a better partner to ones taste? Naa, its sad that some people are still that sick and primitive.
To be honest I think the message is a bit darker than it being this inspirational ‘push yourself and you’ll achieve’ - yes push yourself to the limit but at what cost? Is it worth losing everything that you are in the process? - I think this is reflected in andrews dad looking on in almost horror at the finale, realising he’s lost his son to this utterly toxic world
Yes, thats what it takes to be the greatest. Civilization benefits. We wouldnt have Mozart, or even computers if everyone thought like you, and genius men werent allowed to go all-in
Don't think it's so much the cost of achieving greatness. It's the method of pushing candidates to get there as the film clearly intend the audience to ponder. A guy committed suicide because of it. Is it the mentors fault or is it the student who simply do not have what it takes.
You have to make sacrifices to be great. MJ Brady Montana Gretzky all have that mindset and some would say they are crazy that they aren’t nice people but normal people won’t truly understand their drive to be the best, hell Mj is notorious for pushing people teammates to there limits and some don’t like him because of that, Brady’s came out of retirement after a month because of his drive and his wife left him for it he’s still ballin
@iLearnCode But we also didn't need Mozart to be pushed so hard he offed himself at 15. Michelangelo would spend months on a single painting, but he still needed to eat and sleep or he'd literally die. There's always a line; this movie leaves the open-ended question of where that line is. Finishing it thinking that no amount of dedication is too much or thinking that success shouldn't require hard work are both missing the point.
Hey Ash, I trained in futbol and basketball and I understand the need to be pushed beyond what we think we can achieve. But if that comes at the expense of our physical well-being or mental sanity the line is quite easy to cross. -------- I was not the best player when I played but I knew I was mentally tougher than 95% of the people I would play against. ------- This was in large part to the intense pressure of growing with a father who demanded perfection in all aspect of my life. I can see Ash having a similar type of father. So I relate to Hannah's reaction of this film, but I can also see Ashgan's perspective as well.
Ash, how you managed to edit a music film reaction without the music and still make me feel like nothing is missing is beyond me. Thank you so much for another excellent reaction!
this movie is not about music and musicians, it is about the pain, discipline, and sacrifice needed to reach virtuoso level in whatever field you choose
If you look at the script, it's clear this wasn't actually a happy ending. Neiman sacrificed everything to please him and after all the abuse he gave in and did what he wanted to him to do. In fact, that moment where his dad is staring at him from the side, the script says his father is actually watching him in horror.
I like that this film highlights the dark side of greatness. That many people who are great at something, often got that way because they are obsessed with it to a level most people don't understand. That it takes a toll on their life and so on. The history of great musicians is littered with troubled minds, short lives and so on, but they do produce music that goes on for ages and across generations.
I think audiences reaction to this film is the problem that the film is trying to expose..."greatness"...it's a fucking piece of music. The fact that people think that treating others like rats can be justified in any way if it produces a great piece of music is fucking absurd. The movie to me is about how fucking horrible people can be in hopes of "proving themselves"...wanting so desperately for people to think you're great at something that you lose your humanity, it's the exact opposite of greatness.
@@nGUNNARpThat's the point of the movie genius. To debate those topics. Every legend and genius went through some form of obsession or abuse and most have their own damage. It is what it is
The first time I saw this movie, a few years back, I was alone in my room, no lights on, it was late at night. I'll never forget the feeling of exhilaration in the end. I gave it a standing ovation in the middle of my room, I yelled bravo like I was in the audience, I wanted to throw red roses. I've never felt like that again watching the ending of a movie. Whiplash is flawless. This movie is God tier perfect. Loved your reaction.
The kid played 90% of the drums featured in the movie. I saw this movie entirely different than most people. A lot of people think the kid won and got back at the instructor, but he didn't. The teacher's EXTREMELY toxic teaching methods worked and were proven once again. Fletcher CREATED Andrew and that's sad. Even the fear in the father's face at the end let us know that he has lost his son.
This film is such a parable… A Man says that he wants greatness… that he wants EVERYTHING. He is told he is too burdened, that he holds on to all the things that defined him from “before”. With every step, he sacrifices a part of himself. He leaves his home, and is without security. He forsakes his family, and is without community. He denies himself pleasures both of body and mind, and is without joy. He trades his soul for greatness, and is left with only himself. - The man stands at the end of his journey… alone, unloved, denied, and resolute… and believes that he has everything.
This movie is so much darker than it's generally perceived. Andrews life by the end is nothing but serving Fletcher. He lost his girlfriend, he keeps his family at a distance, and the look his dad gives him at the end isnt of awe but of the reality that he has lost his son to Fletcher. By the end Fletcher gets his charlie Parker and Andrew gets nothing other than being "right" and that he had it in him all along. No girlfriend no friends no relationships. But Fletcher gets everything he ever wanted
But then again, andrew didn’t care about his girlfriend or friends or anyone more than drumming. He didn’t lose himself to fletcher, he lost himself to drumming. If neiman had to do it all over again, we know he would
@@mrtripp8114 No, in the end they both lost. They lost to obsession and Andrew dies alone, of a drug overdose in his 30s like he predicted. That isn't winning.
@@funkyjbass7762 Nope, it is winning. They wanted fame and success, and they got it. Andrew will be living the high life as a respected musician, not dead in his 30s lol. It isn't obsession, it is dedication. Obviously you haven't really had the experience of working hard to achieve a goal you are passionate about. And I say this as a Bio major (one of the least obsessive branches lmao). Get with the times.
Bullying is a useful phenomenon. Thats why it happens. If bullying wasnt beneficial, it wouldnt evolve to be as pervasive as it is. Bullying is the opposite of “coddling”, and we know that coddling is harmful. The weak should fear the strong.
@@ilearncode7365 Neither of them were mean, and neither was a bully. Again, bullies are weaklings who are easy to dominate because they expect a dominance hierarchy, and one can easily provide such for them. Mean people are weak and stupid, not strong. Bullies are pathetic because they are easy to dominate.
Ash is like "why are you crying", bro, imagine your hero almost killing you with a chair, slapping your on the cheeks and screaming like crazy, not exactly a fun situation😂
I love how emotional Hannah gets, she's such a beauty to watch and it's amazing to see someone so invested and in tune with the movie they're viewing. She's also so funny! And you, Ash, are hilarious to watch as well and it's cool how hype you get as it shows your passion for films.
Im with Ash, I never liked Jazz but this movie is in my top 5 easy. Probably the greatest movie that exemplifies the line that teeters between passion, obsession & addiction.
Many people don't understand the ending. The dad first looks at the performance in awe but it comes fear. Fear of a monster Fletcher has created. Fletcher won in the end.
the dad never knew how good his kid was. he was prepared for him to give up on his dream and plant himself at home in the basement, not for him to achieve such greatness that he was never aware of and never thought his son was capable of. dad was lowkey like the rest of the family and doubting his son’s abilities this whole time. he was definitely awestruck, respectful, and a bit embarrassed too.
@@samanthanickson6478 I think people are so used to being hit over the head with a message from a movie, or a good guy/bad guy in a movie that they try to put that somewhere in this film...when I see the film I see a bunch of horrible people treating each other horribly over something completely unimportant, they've all just placed such high importance on it (or other things in the dad's case) to justify their shitty behaviour to one another it's the type of movie where if it were a true story you'd see a title screen at the end with the dates that each of the characters committed suicide afterwards.
Fletcher helping Andrew at 35:39 is my favorite moment in this entire movie! He was done with playing the tough teacher, and he put all the bullshit aside because in that very instant, he realized that he FINALLY found the next Charlie Parker, and he wasn’t going to let anything ruin it.
Not only that, but I think it also means that Fletcher might feel validated of his methods on how he treats his students, because he finally got what he wanted- just a pure musician out of Andrew.
@@SpenceJS87 My guess is that Andrew ends up like that because he finally gets Fletcher’s approval, and he realizes that becoming the next Charlie Parker wasn’t really his main goal to begin with. Must’ve felt like he no longer had a purpose, after throwing everything (family, gf, and friends) to be the best drummer that he can be
It took me forever to convince my dad to watch this movie cause as soon as i said it was about a drummer he immediately lost interest. I FINALLY got him to watch reluctantly and now its one of his favorite films.
There's a difference between passion and obsession. Fletcher was obsessed, he didn't care about Andrew or anyone, he just wanted to train a prodigy, he just wanted a Charlie Parker even if it made someone hang themselves or die in a car crash.
This guy reacting was completely insane 😂😂😂😂, he was blind in faith of a abusive teachaer, until the end, even whe he try to end the carrer of his old studant
I think Ash totally misunderstood the point of the film. It was not about needing someone to push you to be the best. It was about abuse of power, about gaslighting, about someone destroying anothers person life for selfish reasons. It is a fantastic movie, but let's not forget Fletcher was a horrible person at every step. A psycho, an asshole, an awful person all around. The impressive thing is that Miles character succeeded DESPITE Fletcher, not because of him.
I was willing to allow it for a while. Sure, you can argue the positives of his approach to a degree and I get how someone might get sucked in by his aura. It's an amazing performance and a fascinating character. I can even see how you might laugh at some of his antics earlier on, although the extent to which Ash was laughing was a bit disconcerting. Can you imagine that in a cinema? But then at 28:55 when the suicide of the ex-student is revealed and it really brings the reality of his teaching methods home, Ash is straight in with "yeah but at the same time..." Jesus Christ man. I just couldn't take it any more and came to the comments.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. It also won best editing and was a huge reason I went into editing 2 years later. The acting is brilliant, the story is amazing, and the intensity of that last performance is IMPECCABLE!
I know this is totally unrelated to the movie, but you should see a movie called heart of the dragon with Jackie Chan at the end fight scene, the editing is some the craziest I have ever seen no doubt.
I knew you both would absolutely love this film!!! Its the directing, the music, and powerful acting that makes this a cut above the rest! Well deserved his best actor award for this.
Little short on money atm. Is it correct that Patreon Tier2 is enough to get the full reactions? If this is gonna be only half as good as I expect, I finally need to become a Patreon.
@@mrtveye6682 Correct tier 2 gets full length reactions. I also don't have alot of money to throw around so i had to triple confirm that it was indeed Tier 2 that gets full length reactions. Ive only watched the full length for Sicario and Whiplash and my subscription already feels worth it.
This film has Ash losing his ever loving mind all over it and Hannah getting accidently battered by him and having to restrain him, Can't wait to see the mania!!
Miles Teller taught himself to drum for this film. Also there's a brilliant video about how nearly every scene in this movie is a battle of sorts, to create tension, its amazing. Great movie and awesome reaction guys, you crack me up all the time plus you're very insightful.
It’s interesting to see different people’s takeaways from watching the same movie. I’ve always seen this as a film about surviving an abusive, manipulative relationship (student teacher relationship in this case). I can see the point about hard work and pushing someone to be better but Fletcher sprinted past that line into abuse and despite any success that may come after the movie ends, I’ve always wondered what damage it did to Neiman psychologically. I feel like as he grows up and advances in his career, even if he becomes the worlds best drummer, every time he makes even the slightest mistakes he’s gonna be waiting for that chair to get thrown at his head again.
Before anything else, we're humans, and the least we deserve, is dignity. I think that's what's this movie is about. A guy walking a road to succes, that cost him part of his humanity. An obsession that ends completely isolating his own being.
Thanks a ton guys. You guys are the only ones I’ve seen that don’t see Fletcher as a straight up villain, and more gray than the black and white everyone tries to make it seem.
I've just realized something while watching your reaction for the tenth time: Fletcher said that his former student, Sean Casey, died of a car accident instead of him committing suicide, because it would have obviously pointed him out for hazing Sean, but everything which led to the ending of Fletcher's teaching career stemmed from Andrew Nieman ACTUALLY getting into a car accident, which is a weird existential irony, because the lie about a former student's death is how his current student accidentally exposed him... As Ash would say: "Symbolisms"
Great reaction! Hannah was 100% correct in her assessment of the JK Simmons character, while Ash... well, Ash's instincts were about as good as the coyote when he chases the roadrunner. Thanks again for the reaction!!!!
One of the reasons I love your channel is because you both seemingly represent the duality that lives in me: the comedic and the dramatic While simultaneously feeling bad for Nieman, I was still laughing at Fletcher's antics... Yes, Fletcher did go too far, but at the same time, mediocrity only breeds weakness.
The bottom line which people miss is that Fletcher is a villain and did more harm than good. Even when mentioning the musician who hung himself the first and only thing he mentions was their playing skills. These people are nothing more than assets to him and he manipulated the main character into his greatest yet. Plenty of the things done by Fletcher just wouldn't produce reliable results in the real world. People who play up Fletcher as some sort of mentor who should be looked up to are utterly wrong.
I feel like ASH kinda misunderstood this movie. Yes, it’s important to push yourself to achieve greatness, but not always to the point where you are harming yourself or the people round you. Just because someone “achieved greatness” does not mean that the methods they used to get there, or the things they sacrificed, are justified. Many of the “Einsteins” and “Mozarts” throughout history lived miserable lives and died young because of their pursuit for greatness. While on the other hand, there are many extremely successful people who lived happy lives because they didn’t unnecessarily sacrifice their mental or physical health. Andrews journey to become a successful drummer was not supposed to be something that was admirable. And this is because of the things he sacrificed, the people he hurt and, and the arrogant person he became as a result. And Fletcher as a teacher wasn’t supposed to be admirable because of his selfish need for his students to be great, without regarding their mental health. The movie was a critique on the “method” of achieving greatness more so than the “want”.
It was and it wasn't. I saw Damien Chazelle at a Q&A screening during its original release and he sort of seemed conflicted on whether he wanted to condemn Fletcher or not. He basically argued Nieman would never have become great without the pushing. So the question was whether greatness is worth it or not. And it's not a question he thought could be answered.
I've watched people reacting to WHIPLASH dozens of times, and one thing that ALWAYS happens and always stands out to me is: Women identify toxic/inappropriate/bullying behavior straight away and always call it out for what it is... unacceptable. Period. Now, men, on the other hand, never quite get the gist of it right away, they always start absolutely loving the professor's obviously disgusting behavior. All the guys that watch this film say "this guy is fucking awesome. He's strict because he cares", blah, blah, blah. Some of them come to realize that the professor is abusive only towards the very end of the film, but LOTS of them watch the entire thing and finish the movie STILL praising the professor. And I know it seems like I'm exaggerating or making something out of nothing, but I firmly believe this small sample really tells the story of how men and women are socialized drastically differently. And NOT in a good way. Men, in general, have SO much emotional maturity to catch up on. They are always SO behind women when it comes to being emotionally and socially developed, which is unacceptable, because, most times, women are the ones that have to suffer the consequences for men's lack of emotional regulation.
Its also the way men are raised compared to women. Not that all women are raised softly and intellectually, but most men are raised with an iron fist and have to have their respect earned and we are taught not to fail under any situation or pressure, and being tough does create good results a lot of the time. While girls might get a slap on the wrist for the same thing a man would get annihilated for. So not saying its okay, and i think theres tough and theres abusive, but men have a higher line to what we consider “abusive” than women
This is one of my favourite films of all time..also my thoughts at the end of this movie was the same Neiman's father had seeing him descend into madness/ ascend into greatness..we could see him proud and amazed at seeing what his son could do for the first time in his life but also absolute horror and concern at seeing the pain and madness and lengths his son has put himself to to achieve this and it overall sums up how i feel about it..
What’s awesome is Miles Teller has been playing drums since he was 15. And he took lessons for 4/5 hours a day, three times a week to prepare for the film. Most of what we see is really Miles playing. I think it’s about 80/20, 80% miles and 20% editing and backup drummers. Which is crazy because a lot of that drumming is some of the highest tier drumming on film. JK Simmons also played piano and retook lessons for his role. Absolutely amazing movie, as someone who played music since I was 5 it is brutally accurate.
I love that you guys got this so wrong for so long. Heh. The film draws you in and then clobbers you with toxic leadership. Mind you, I don't think Ash ever understood this film.
It's pretty obvious that Ash is a really good person. That said, can you imagine him as a schoolteacher or a principal? The bullies would be making fun of the fat kids and he would be busting out laughing.😂
@@carolbaskin1857 If you're making fun of peoples appearance then you're not a good person, also there's no such thing as a perfect person, but that doesn't mean good people don't exist, just the same way you will call a person evil despite them having some good in them.
He was abusive in the way he pushed him because he did believe in him and didn't want to get rid of him. You saw how he easily got rid of others at the start. It was his messed up way of caring.
"He's sacrificing his humanity for greatness." Totally agree. The moral of the film is: is it worth it? Would you rather be Kurt Cobainn dead at 27 feeling hopeless, but be remembered? Or would you rather live to 90, with a long marriage and maybe kids and grandkids who love you and die feeling fulfilled. Does greatness trump all? That's the struggle.
@lonerebeI 100%. And not every legendary musician had to ruin their health (physical and mental) to get their. Fletcher thinks his way is the best, but if it was proven, everyone would be doing it. Legendary also has so many meanings. Legendary as in best technically? Most records sold? Most beloved by the people? I think the film shows how having a very narrow view of what "success" can be damaging. I think with a different teacher, Andrew may have been okay, but Fletcher fed into insecurities, and flawed logic that he already had in his head.
@@DJKuroh It's not for everyone, that's why everyone isn't doing it. Fletcher had the right intention and idea just bad execution of it. In the end, I think it was all worth it for Andrew since what he wanted was to be one of the best
J.K. Simmons is an incredible character actor, but is more known for his comedic rolls. However, in “Whiplash” he is the most damnable villain I’ve ever seen, but those last scenes when he truly appreciates the drumming as brilliant and you see it so clearly in his face . . . Wow! He earned his Oscar!!!
You clearly observe the clear distinction or contrast between these two viewers and their approach of understanding this movie is quite opposite. Thats what this actually movie is all about ,from his dad perspective he lost his son but the audience found their next superstar. The excellence of this movie is that at the end you find it motivating and depressing at the same tym
If you love this movie, you'd love 'Buried' - a movie set in 1 location (inside a coffin) with 1 actor, for maybe the fastest 90-minute movie ever made. It's criminal Rayan Reynolds didn't win best actor that year.
I can't stress this enough: YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH BLACK SWAN. Another INCREDIBLE and twisted story of the quest for perfection in an artistic world (ballet). Super dark and with an incomparable performance by Natalie Portman. Amazing reaction, btw. Love your videos and your insight!
So funny that Ash exactly pinpointed the thesis of the movie (“he’s sacrificing his humanity for greatness”), but came to the exact opposite conclusion than most people watching the movie (that the sacrifice was a good thing).
When Ash said “This is a film about music, it’s not that deep” and Hannah corrected him with, “Yes, it IS that deep”, she nailed this movie spot on. Ash, you missed it.
The following is an interview with the director that definitely puts the ending of the film in a much more darker light: Where do you think these two go after this movie ends? They had a moment at the end of the film, but I feel these two will always hate each other. Director: I think so. I think it's definitely a fleeting thing. I think there's a certain amount of damage that will always have been done. Fletcher will always think he won and Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose. I have a very dark view of where it goes. That should have been a postscript at the end of the movie, "And at 30, he dies of a drug overdose." That would be great, right before the credits, "Oh, by the way." It's a post credit thing, like the Marvel movies. It's his funeral. And Fletcher is there. He gives the eulogy. "That ungrateful f***ing brat."
I absolutely love this movie. It's so intense and builds suspense in all the best ways! I'm curious if Ash thinks this is better than Good Will Hunting or Dead Poets Society lol
16:11 “don’t cry about it and move on” while I understand the sentiment, I think that’s partly the opposite of what this film is trying to depict. Andrew is being verbally, emotionally and physically abused, and if he isn’t allowed to cry at that then that’s so wrong on so many levels. Crying is a normal response, it doesn’t make you weak, despite what other men (and women) say.
Damien Chazelle is the writer and director of this movie and in my opinion he is an absolutely generational talent. He is in my top 5 favorite film makers of all time and he has only made 4 movies! I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY suggest La La Land, and Babylon which is in cinemas rn but will be on streaming soon. pls do it. you will not be disappointed !
J K Simmons the conductor is a very versatile actor and can play all types of characters and genres. You should watch "Burn After Reading", a Coen Brothers movie in which he's in with a great overall cast and is a really fun dark comedy.
When Hannah said "the chopsticks would be up in the air" I lost it🤣I knew you guys would love this film as it doesn't mess around or hold anything back. Honest, unsparing and frightening. And the 'Cymbalisms' mate!!!
22:26
"no now you've pissed me off"
"Why've I pissed you off?"
"I dont know yet"
You guys are fucking GOLD 😭
relationships in a nutshell
Lmao 🤣😭
My favorite Hannah line ever haha
"woman moment"
I was gonna comment this. Shit was gold
I’ll say what we’re all thinking… Hannah is an incredible cinema student. She sees characters well, gets their motivations, understands tone, and makes a large number of correct predictions. Salute.
Maybe she needs to go to cinema school? Change in careers? Perhaps we’ll see her directorial debut in the future?
its true, as a film student also I recognise things most dont but my god is she great at recognising things not many do on the first playthrough. Shes always impressing me how early she sees a plot forming
Agreed! Ash makes me laugh but I definitely prefer when Hannah is around to help balance with strong understanding of the film if Ash is in a particularly boisterous mood 🤣 no offense Ash hahah. Forest Gump was a good one for that too!
I thought she was an actor?
both of them are really insightful. Part of the reason these videos are so great; they don't just "react." They analyze
JK Simmons took home the Oscar for Best Supporting Actor for his role in the movie.
This is the movie I reference when explaining what "best supporting actor" means.
He crushed it in this. So well deserved.
thats wild. his performance felt more like a male lead than a supporting actor
so deserved - just watched it now... wow
Fun fact: Before getting into acting, JK Simmons actually earned a degree in music conducting & composition.
Explains why his hand movements felt so natural
It’s hilarious that the director wanted these two actors just because he liked them, only to find out Miles knew how to play drums and grew up playing them, and JK Simmons used to be a conductor by pure accident
And doesn’t miles teller actually play drums too? Perfect casting
@@ymb7873 the comment 4 months before yours said that so I would assume so
There’s a line between passion and obsession. Fletcher is absolutely obsessed.
It's not a line, it's progression. Managing your passions is how you prevent them from becoming obsessions. Fletcher just didn't manage his passion and forced his methods onto others in the harshest ways possible.
@@AleksandarIvanov69there's a balance
Hannah’s face after Ash said the girl was cute had me dying 😂😂😂
IM saying lmfao
also as funny is ash's idiot face ignoring shes not exactly pleased, he's clueless the poor bastard. So relatable. Its like a part of him is thinking " oops im begginning to realize im in trouble but im not sure why exactly" Dont stress mate SHE will tell you later for sure and as long as you recognize your lack of tact she ll forgive you, you lucky bastard you!! ( love you guys!!)
SYMBOLISMS Lol
@@richarddawson1771 I think he's in on the joke a bit more than he's letting off.
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When the camera focused on the cymbals on the last scene.... cymbalisms
😂
Hannah can literally guess the entire plot of a movie within the first 10 minutes
A series of facts about the movie, Whiplash:
1. The film was shot in 19 days, with filming lasting 14 hours most days.
2. During the jazz bar scene, that really is J.K. Simmons/Terence Fletcher/The Bald Guy playing, as Simmons used to play frequently and comes from a family of musicians.
3. Related to No. 2, Miles Teller/Neiman was a drummer since his mid-teens, though a double was used for certain shots and parts.
4. In a creepy twist of fate, the director of the film, Damien Chazelle, was in a car accident during the third week of the shoot and was hospitalized with a possible concussion. He promptly returned to the set the next day to finish on time.
5. The take used for Neiman's slapping scene was where Simmons slapped Teller for real. Furthermore, during the scenes where Andrew and the other drummers are exhausted, takes would often run into each other to actually make them tired. This even extended to Miles Teller ending up with actual blisters and bleeding sores from overplaying, making some of the blood actually his.
6. Director Damien Chazelle reveals that his movie's ending has… less than pleasant implications for Andrew. Specifically, he argues that Fletcher will always think he beat Andrew. Chazelle even states that Andrew will ''wind up dead in his '30s from a drug overdose'', making Andrew's previous comment of wanting to die broke and drunk at 34 incredibly disturbing in hindsight.
Also, a little tidbit about Fletcher, Jo Jones, and Charlie Parker: Fletcher loves the story of Jo Jones sending Charlie Parker off the stage by throwing a cymbal at his head and framed it as a crucial moment when he determined to become the great musician he is known as now. He misses or omits that Jones didn't throw it at his head but his feet and it wasn't a personal attack with witnesses saying it was more playful than done out of anger and with Jones not intending to harm or humiliate Parker and Parker didn't play again for months and then only as an art form. The story was really about Parker realizing he wasn't suited to the rigid approach of Jones' band and determined to forge his own path and create his own style through rigid self-discipline but Fletcher interpreted it as a story about how Jones being abusive to Parker set him on the path to greatness and used it as a justification for his own cruelty. As an added bonus, Parker was also notorious for losing saxes (or pawning them to feed his drug habit) while misplacing equipment or sheet music is one of the many things that pisses Fletcher off.
7- they should watch black swan basically the female version of this movie
Lol 14 hours is a standard day on a film set. But otherwise, awesome facts!
@@ams914 came here to say this lol
There are rules just like any other workplace with having bodily fluids on set, so I take the claim that Miles really bled all over the equipment with a grain of salt.
Wow so in the directors mind Nieman dies and fails? That's changed the entire movie for me and made it much darker
Hannah is fucking hilarious in this one, her glares and one-liners had me dying "why have I pissed you off?" "I don't know yet"
Every healthy relationship ever 😂😂
Most people don't see what is happening in this movie. Obsession wins here, and we are supposed to question whether living a normal live is worth it, or trying to live for the history books. The shot at the end where the father watches in horror as his son becomes the legend he never became. He created a family, and lived in happiness. The main character will never have this. He gave up love and family to live a dream, and most likely would end as one of the music legends that end in an overdose in some bar toilet.
Yes, this movie cuestion the deep meanings of life. What is succes?, is it worth it?, Is it worth to love?, to be happy?, in contrast of a greater glory?. I think all resumes to legacy, all he wanted, is to be this one of a kind music prodigy, that people will remember even decades after he's long gone.
To Attach his own self, in this lonely virtous peak.
I think in the end, the answers to this cuestions belongs to ourselves, just through our appreciation and perspective of life, we can find the rights answers.
For me, at least, I choose love, I choose one and other, I choose to create life, and protect it, I choose to contemplate all forms of beings.
That's my legacy.
His father also realizes his family's dismissiveness and upbringing of his son sowed the seeds for this to even have a chance to occur.
@@ajarofdirt3830 Yup. A weak family structure will lead a person to seek validaton from others.
Gave up love? He’s like 22 in this movie. Breaking up with your college girlfriend/boyfriend to focus on your upcoming career isn’t that big a deal.
@@bobcobb3654 Read between the lines. It's symbolism for how every relationship in his life will play out. He chose his obession over bonding with people. That's what the theme of the movie is. You shouldn't take movies like this so literally.
When Hana went goblin mode on the teacher for yelling at the main character i laughed so hard, so cute for being mad at an actor acting so good hahaha
Apparently JK Simmons is a giant sweetie in real life, so that made it even more frightening for the other actors the first time he went ballistic
@@BJ52091 yeah, he was even worse in "Oz".
Everyone sees the ending as a positive but it isn’t , the dad lost his son u can see in his face he’s worried and fletcher won … he got the great star student he wanted and didn’t care the effect it had on the kids
Yeah, you can see his dad feels he is looking at a monster when he sees him playing. He’s terrified for him.
100%.
the dad is a total pathetic loser who enabled the mediocrity of his son
Not everyone. I would say most pathetic idiots on internet are whining about "abuse" and "hurt" Fletcher caused, and asking people to go Kumbaya into mediocrity. Heck, most video essays about this movie are outright depicting exactly your POV, and almost all reactions (at least westerners) don't like Fletcher and do not understand the value of sacrifice and anti-self-gratification.
So, I am not saying you are not entitled to your opinion, which is perfectly valid BTW and what movie also explores, but please don't act like you are saying something brave or what no one else has said or what isn't the most common interpretation of film by modern audience
@@kirathekillernote2173 who hurt you
as someone studying to become a music teacher, i think this movie is a masterclass on how NOT to teach people lol being loud and abusive doesnt actually make people perform better, rather it makes them more nervous and more likely mess up
Absolutely. But the very few who would be able to take the abuse, persevere and learn from the experience, would be great musicians. Very damaged musicians, but legendary. Isn't that sort of true? Some of the best musicians in the world are terribly damaged individuals.
Music teachers can be very intense. JAZZ music teachers even more so.
@@Cthulhu013the currency of musicianship is not talent or ability but confidence. Being a musician is a performance art, after all. You cant perform if your confidence hasn't been built up and cultivated by both your instructor and yourself. The hardass angle may work for a very small percentage of people, but it ultimately does more harm than good. People need positive reinforcement
@@yee2urhaw246 Confidence is not the only contributor to musical ability. It's not uncommon for great musicians to seriously, and pathologically doubt their own abilities and success. Imposter syndrome is a real thing that inflicts artists of all types. Positive reinforcement is often misleading, which may be one reason why so few ever reach true success.
Which means they don’t really have it. Pain breeds greatness.
bro really trying to defend Fletcher right till the end 💀
😂😂😂😂
Hannah, you feel so deeply for this film becasuse you yourself are an artist. Your acting requires, training, practice, study, discpline and mentorship. Hannah could face this same situation from an acting teacher, especially a method acting teacher. So I can see her relating very deeply to "Whiplash".
"Why are you crying?" _Yeah, this guy understands emotions._
The dynamic between the reactors are sooo different lol Hannah definitely has the better take.
Nahh
She does for sure in terms of the film, but Ash is the really entertaining one
@@silentgrind34Yahh
@Lelllll Meh, he's pretty over-the-top...Gets old.
... not only the better take, she was 100% right on how sadistic Fletcheer was; while Ash's instincts are more like a battered wife seeking approval from her abusive husband.
“You need that teacher.” As someone currently getting their doctorate in music education, no you absolutely do not. There are ways to push your students to achieve more than they thought they ever could without breaking them so badly they take their own lives, or attack you. Greatness can be achieved without it costing human lives and sanity.
Also, it’s a bass; not a cello. Anyway, I love y’all’s reactions!
Only the strongest survive.......
Well. You need that teacher that holds you accountable and doesn’t bullshit/beat around the bush. Someone that pushes you and doesn’t kiss your ass
You see it now with the younger generations
@@rustyyoung7980 If that’s what you think music is about, you’re missing the point. Not everything benefits from a Darwinian approach.
@@mdc1342 never said anything to the contrary. You can push your students, hold them accountable, and be honest with them all without causing them trauma.
Simmons performance is absolutely insane.. And with that said, you can push people to do their best without mentally abusing them. Love and respect is more powerful than hate and fear.
@@AleksandarIvanov69 yes, if you want to kill peoples passion and love for their craft in the process and turn them into a mental wreck. No, Simmons didn't have to do anything, his character did. No one says you have to hug your way to success, just that violence and abuse is not the way.
Abuse is aggression without purpose(domestic violence has the purpose of being in control) so that is fine and a good practice, cause we are making a better partner to ones taste? Naa, its sad that some people are still that sick and primitive.
This film is a masterpiece of cinema and music, all together.
im the 69th like...
To be honest I think the message is a bit darker than it being this inspirational ‘push yourself and you’ll achieve’ - yes push yourself to the limit but at what cost? Is it worth losing everything that you are in the process? - I think this is reflected in andrews dad looking on in almost horror at the finale, realising he’s lost his son to this utterly toxic world
Yes, thats what it takes to be the greatest. Civilization benefits. We wouldnt have Mozart, or even computers if everyone thought like you, and genius men werent allowed to go all-in
Exactly. It's about abuse. The students are naive to it so they go along.
Don't think it's so much the cost of achieving greatness. It's the method of pushing candidates to get there as the film clearly intend the audience to ponder. A guy committed suicide because of it. Is it the mentors fault or is it the student who simply do not have what it takes.
You have to make sacrifices to be great. MJ Brady Montana Gretzky all have that mindset and some would say they are crazy that they aren’t nice people but normal people won’t truly understand their drive to be the best, hell Mj is notorious for pushing people teammates to there limits and some don’t like him because of that, Brady’s came out of retirement after a month because of his drive and his wife left him for it he’s still ballin
@iLearnCode But we also didn't need Mozart to be pushed so hard he offed himself at 15. Michelangelo would spend months on a single painting, but he still needed to eat and sleep or he'd literally die.
There's always a line; this movie leaves the open-ended question of where that line is. Finishing it thinking that no amount of dedication is too much or thinking that success shouldn't require hard work are both missing the point.
Hey Ash, I trained in futbol and basketball and I understand the need to be pushed beyond what we think we can achieve. But if that comes at the expense of our physical well-being or mental sanity the line is quite easy to cross. -------- I was not the best player when I played but I knew I was mentally tougher than 95% of the people I would play against. ------- This was in large part to the intense pressure of growing with a father who demanded perfection in all aspect of my life. I can see Ash having a similar type of father. So I relate to Hannah's reaction of this film, but I can also see Ashgan's perspective as well.
Ash, how you managed to edit a music film reaction without the music and still make me feel like nothing is missing is beyond me. Thank you so much for another excellent reaction!
Love you mate ❤️
Wow this comment is so true that I didn’t realize it myself until I read this comment. Ash is the fucking man!!
Ikr...great editing!
This is one of those movies that, whenever it's on TV, I just stop and watch.. and it NEVER EVER gets old. Absolutely brilliant in every way
One of the best endings in the history of cinema..literally
this movie is not about music and musicians, it is about the pain, discipline, and sacrifice needed to reach virtuoso level in whatever field you choose
Preachhhh bro!!
it's like with da vinci and other great ppl through history who used to do uberman sleep cycle to work harder
It's about abuse
@@SC-gp7kt You're weak and you'll never be extraordinary at anything.
If you look at the script, it's clear this wasn't actually a happy ending. Neiman sacrificed everything to please him and after all the abuse he gave in and did what he wanted to him to do.
In fact, that moment where his dad is staring at him from the side, the script says his father is actually watching him in horror.
I like that this film highlights the dark side of greatness. That many people who are great at something, often got that way because they are obsessed with it to a level most people don't understand. That it takes a toll on their life and so on. The history of great musicians is littered with troubled minds, short lives and so on, but they do produce music that goes on for ages and across generations.
I think audiences reaction to this film is the problem that the film is trying to expose..."greatness"...it's a fucking piece of music. The fact that people think that treating others like rats can be justified in any way if it produces a great piece of music is fucking absurd. The movie to me is about how fucking horrible people can be in hopes of "proving themselves"...wanting so desperately for people to think you're great at something that you lose your humanity, it's the exact opposite of greatness.
@@nGUNNARpThat's the point of the movie genius. To debate those topics. Every legend and genius went through some form of obsession or abuse and most have their own damage. It is what it is
The first time I saw this movie, a few years back, I was alone in my room, no lights on, it was late at night. I'll never forget the feeling of exhilaration in the end. I gave it a standing ovation in the middle of my room, I yelled bravo like I was in the audience, I wanted to throw red roses. I've never felt like that again watching the ending of a movie. Whiplash is flawless. This movie is God tier perfect. Loved your reaction.
Haha I did the same thing! Watched it at 1am after work and stood up and gave applause lol but I was stoned AF
The kid played 90% of the drums featured in the movie. I saw this movie entirely different than most people. A lot of people think the kid won and got back at the instructor, but he didn't. The teacher's EXTREMELY toxic teaching methods worked and were proven once again. Fletcher CREATED Andrew and that's sad. Even the fear in the father's face at the end let us know that he has lost his son.
This film is such a parable…
A Man says that he wants greatness… that he wants EVERYTHING.
He is told he is too burdened, that he holds on to all the things that defined him from “before”.
With every step, he sacrifices a part of himself.
He leaves his home, and is without security.
He forsakes his family, and is without community.
He denies himself pleasures both of body and mind, and is without joy.
He trades his soul for greatness, and is left with only himself.
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The man stands at the end of his journey… alone, unloved, denied, and resolute… and believes that he has everything.
I remember not wanting to really watch this when my friend told me about it but by the end we were both floored and speechless. Amazing movie
This movie is so much darker than it's generally perceived. Andrews life by the end is nothing but serving Fletcher. He lost his girlfriend, he keeps his family at a distance, and the look his dad gives him at the end isnt of awe but of the reality that he has lost his son to Fletcher. By the end Fletcher gets his charlie Parker and Andrew gets nothing other than being "right" and that he had it in him all along. No girlfriend no friends no relationships. But Fletcher gets everything he ever wanted
But then again, andrew didn’t care about his girlfriend or friends or anyone more than drumming. He didn’t lose himself to fletcher, he lost himself to drumming. If neiman had to do it all over again, we know he would
nah, while Fletcher wanted to create his own Charlie Parker, Andrew wanted to be Charlie Parker, and nothing else, so in the end they both win
@@mrtripp8114 No, in the end they both lost. They lost to obsession and Andrew dies alone, of a drug overdose in his 30s like he predicted. That isn't winning.
@@funkyjbass7762 Nope, it is winning. They wanted fame and success, and they got it. Andrew will be living the high life as a respected musician, not dead in his 30s lol. It isn't obsession, it is dedication. Obviously you haven't really had the experience of working hard to achieve a goal you are passionate about. And I say this as a Bio major (one of the least obsessive branches lmao). Get with the times.
@@mrreyes5004 Damien Chazelle has said himself that he envisions Andrew dying of an overdose in his 30s after leading a sad life. That isn't winning.
"Are you one of those single-tear people?" Bullying of fictional characters is acceptable as long as it's hilarious.
This🤣
Bullying is a useful phenomenon. Thats why it happens. If bullying wasnt beneficial, it wouldnt evolve to be as pervasive as it is. Bullying is the opposite of “coddling”, and we know that coddling is harmful. The weak should fear the strong.
@@ilearncode7365 Ever bully I’ve ever met was an insecure weakling with a false idea of what strength is.
@@Roikat you probably think steve jobs and ghangis khan were insecure meanie poos.
@@ilearncode7365 Neither of them were mean, and neither was a bully. Again, bullies are weaklings who are easy to dominate because they expect a dominance hierarchy, and one can easily provide such for them. Mean people are weak and stupid, not strong. Bullies are pathetic because they are easy to dominate.
Ash is like "why are you crying", bro, imagine your hero almost killing you with a chair, slapping your on the cheeks and screaming like crazy, not exactly a fun situation😂
I love how emotional Hannah gets, she's such a beauty to watch and it's amazing to see someone so invested and in tune with the movie they're viewing. She's also so funny! And you, Ash, are hilarious to watch as well and it's cool how hype you get as it shows your passion for films.
“He threw a cymbal at em… Symbolisms!” I died!🤣🤣🤣
He seriously over do it with the symbolism shit
'Cymbalism' lol
@@Docta123 LMAO he does a bit
One of the greatest movies ever! Miles Teller is one of the most underrated actors of all time
Im with Ash, I never liked Jazz but this movie is in my top 5 easy. Probably the greatest movie that exemplifies the line that teeters between passion, obsession & addiction.
Many people don't understand the ending. The dad first looks at the performance in awe but it comes fear. Fear of a monster Fletcher has created. Fletcher won in the end.
the dad never knew how good his kid was. he was prepared for him to give up on his dream and plant himself at home in the basement, not for him to achieve such greatness that he was never aware of and never thought his son was capable of. dad was lowkey like the rest of the family and doubting his son’s abilities this whole time. he was definitely awestruck, respectful, and a bit embarrassed too.
One of the rarest moments in cinema where the villain won but no one noticed
@@itsauguste Yes and I think that's why it's so good! I must admit I didn't even catch it on my first watch.
@@samanthanickson6478 I think people are so used to being hit over the head with a message from a movie, or a good guy/bad guy in a movie that they try to put that somewhere in this film...when I see the film I see a bunch of horrible people treating each other horribly over something completely unimportant, they've all just placed such high importance on it (or other things in the dad's case) to justify their shitty behaviour to one another
it's the type of movie where if it were a true story you'd see a title screen at the end with the dates that each of the characters committed suicide afterwards.
Fletcher helping Andrew at 35:39 is my favorite moment in this entire movie! He was done with playing the tough teacher, and he put all the bullshit aside because in that very instant, he realized that he FINALLY found the next Charlie Parker, and he wasn’t going to let anything ruin it.
He was like, you're not a scared little boy anymore.
Or he knows Andrew is now his, he found his prodigy, but the director confirmed Andrew would end up abusing drugs and killing himself in his 30s.
It's not a good thing.
Not only that, but I think it also means that Fletcher might feel validated of his methods on how he treats his students, because he finally got what he wanted- just a pure musician out of Andrew.
@@SpenceJS87 My guess is that Andrew ends up like that because he finally gets Fletcher’s approval, and he realizes that becoming the next Charlie Parker wasn’t really his main goal to begin with. Must’ve felt like he no longer had a purpose, after throwing everything (family, gf, and friends) to be the best drummer that he can be
It took me forever to convince my dad to watch this movie cause as soon as i said it was about a drummer he immediately lost interest. I FINALLY got him to watch reluctantly and now its one of his favorite films.
There's a difference between passion and obsession. Fletcher was obsessed, he didn't care about Andrew or anyone, he just wanted to train a prodigy, he just wanted a Charlie Parker even if it made someone hang themselves or die in a car crash.
The craziest part of this movie for me is that it was the director's first feature film.
Second, actually. If you count student films.
@@FrancoisDressler I do not count student films :P
Absolutely incredible movie. One of the best endings ever.
This guy reacting was completely insane 😂😂😂😂, he was blind in faith of a abusive teachaer, until the end, even whe he try to end the carrer of his old studant
I think Ash totally misunderstood the point of the film. It was not about needing someone to push you to be the best. It was about abuse of power, about gaslighting, about someone destroying anothers person life for selfish reasons. It is a fantastic movie, but let's not forget Fletcher was a horrible person at every step. A psycho, an asshole, an awful person all around. The impressive thing is that Miles character succeeded DESPITE Fletcher, not because of him.
That’s what I thought😂 I was like “tf is my man blud waffling about?” 💀💀💀
Yeah Ash pissed me off is this reaction ngl
thank you.
I was willing to allow it for a while. Sure, you can argue the positives of his approach to a degree and I get how someone might get sucked in by his aura. It's an amazing performance and a fascinating character. I can even see how you might laugh at some of his antics earlier on, although the extent to which Ash was laughing was a bit disconcerting. Can you imagine that in a cinema?
But then at 28:55 when the suicide of the ex-student is revealed and it really brings the reality of his teaching methods home, Ash is straight in with "yeah but at the same time..." Jesus Christ man. I just couldn't take it any more and came to the comments.
@@19jez89lmao fr
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. It also won best editing and was a huge reason I went into editing 2 years later. The acting is brilliant, the story is amazing, and the intensity of that last performance is IMPECCABLE!
I know this is totally unrelated to the movie, but you should see a movie called heart of the dragon with Jackie Chan at the end fight scene, the editing is some the craziest I have ever seen no doubt.
@@ninjavigilante5311 I will look for sure! Even if this was meant for them 🥰 thank you
Do you freelance and what laptop do you use
I just watched this for the first time last week. I was blown away by the Miles Teller and Jk Simmons performances.
The only movie I can think of where the protagonist and antagonist both lost, and were both happy about it.
I knew you both would absolutely love this film!!! Its the directing, the music, and powerful acting that makes this a cut above the rest! Well deserved his best actor award for this.
One of my favourite Patreon full lengths reactions I've watched. Amazing movie and fkn amazing reactions from y'all.
Means everything this!! Appreciate you mate ❤️
Little short on money atm. Is it correct that Patreon Tier2 is enough to get the full reactions? If this is gonna be only half as good as I expect, I finally need to become a Patreon.
@@mrtveye6682 Correct tier 2 gets full length reactions. I also don't have alot of money to throw around so i had to triple confirm that it was indeed Tier 2 that gets full length reactions. Ive only watched the full length for Sicario and Whiplash and my subscription already feels worth it.
@@ummmdudewtf Thanks for the info, mate 👍
I love how Hannah literally had Fletcher sussed after the first scene
This film has Ash losing his ever loving mind all over it and Hannah getting accidently battered by him and having to restrain him, Can't wait to see the mania!!
Facts!!
Miles Teller taught himself to drum for this film. Also there's a brilliant video about how nearly every scene in this movie is a battle of sorts, to create tension, its amazing.
Great movie and awesome reaction guys, you crack me up all the time plus you're very insightful.
The level of acting and dirrecting in this movie is 10/10 masterpeice u cant beat this movie
It’s interesting to see different people’s takeaways from watching the same movie. I’ve always seen this as a film about surviving an abusive, manipulative relationship (student teacher relationship in this case).
I can see the point about hard work and pushing someone to be better but Fletcher sprinted past that line into abuse and despite any success that may come after the movie ends, I’ve always wondered what damage it did to Neiman psychologically. I feel like as he grows up and advances in his career, even if he becomes the worlds best drummer, every time he makes even the slightest mistakes he’s gonna be waiting for that chair to get thrown at his head again.
The final scene is some of the BEST editing ive ever seen in a film.
I feel like there’s a difference between having a firm teacher and an abusive teacher.
You are correct
Before anything else, we're humans, and the least we deserve, is dignity. I think that's what's this movie is about. A guy walking a road to succes, that cost him part of his humanity. An obsession that ends completely isolating his own being.
Thanks a ton guys. You guys are the only ones I’ve seen that don’t see Fletcher as a straight up villain, and more gray than the black and white everyone tries to make it seem.
I've just realized something while watching your reaction for the tenth time:
Fletcher said that his former student, Sean Casey, died of a car accident instead of him committing suicide, because it would have obviously pointed him out for hazing Sean, but everything which led to the ending of Fletcher's teaching career stemmed from Andrew Nieman ACTUALLY getting into a car accident, which is a weird existential irony, because the lie about a former student's death is how his current student accidentally exposed him...
As Ash would say: "Symbolisms"
Great reaction! Hannah was 100% correct in her assessment of the JK Simmons character, while Ash... well, Ash's instincts were about as good as the coyote when he chases the roadrunner. Thanks again for the reaction!!!!
One of the reasons I love your channel is because you both seemingly represent the duality that lives in me: the comedic and the dramatic
While simultaneously feeling bad for Nieman, I was still laughing at Fletcher's antics...
Yes, Fletcher did go too far, but at the same time, mediocrity only breeds weakness.
The bottom line which people miss is that Fletcher is a villain and did more harm than good. Even when mentioning the musician who hung himself the first and only thing he mentions was their playing skills. These people are nothing more than assets to him and he manipulated the main character into his greatest yet. Plenty of the things done by Fletcher just wouldn't produce reliable results in the real world. People who play up Fletcher as some sort of mentor who should be looked up to are utterly wrong.
I like fletcher and andrew characters in this film. Understanding both perspectives isn't mutually exclusive
I feel like ASH kinda misunderstood this movie. Yes, it’s important to push yourself to achieve greatness, but not always to the point where you are harming yourself or the people round you. Just because someone “achieved greatness” does not mean that the methods they used to get there, or the things they sacrificed, are justified. Many of the “Einsteins” and “Mozarts” throughout history lived miserable lives and died young because of their pursuit for greatness. While on the other hand, there are many extremely successful people who lived happy lives because they didn’t unnecessarily sacrifice their mental or physical health. Andrews journey to become a successful drummer was not supposed to be something that was admirable. And this is because of the things he sacrificed, the people he hurt and, and the arrogant person he became as a result. And Fletcher as a teacher wasn’t supposed to be admirable because of his selfish need for his students to be great, without regarding their mental health. The movie was a critique on the “method” of achieving greatness more so than the “want”.
It was and it wasn't. I saw Damien Chazelle at a Q&A screening during its original release and he sort of seemed conflicted on whether he wanted to condemn Fletcher or not. He basically argued Nieman would never have become great without the pushing. So the question was whether greatness is worth it or not. And it's not a question he thought could be answered.
Best fricken ending! This movie was so satisfyingly exhausting 😂☝️😝
I've watched people reacting to WHIPLASH dozens of times, and one thing that ALWAYS happens and always stands out to me is: Women identify toxic/inappropriate/bullying behavior straight away and always call it out for what it is... unacceptable. Period. Now, men, on the other hand, never quite get the gist of it right away, they always start absolutely loving the professor's obviously disgusting behavior. All the guys that watch this film say "this guy is fucking awesome. He's strict because he cares", blah, blah, blah. Some of them come to realize that the professor is abusive only towards the very end of the film, but LOTS of them watch the entire thing and finish the movie STILL praising the professor.
And I know it seems like I'm exaggerating or making something out of nothing, but I firmly believe this small sample really tells the story of how men and women are socialized drastically differently. And NOT in a good way. Men, in general, have SO much emotional maturity to catch up on. They are always SO behind women when it comes to being emotionally and socially developed, which is unacceptable, because, most times, women are the ones that have to suffer the consequences for men's lack of emotional regulation.
Its also the way men are raised compared to women. Not that all women are raised softly and intellectually, but most men are raised with an iron fist and have to have their respect earned and we are taught not to fail under any situation or pressure, and being tough does create good results a lot of the time. While girls might get a slap on the wrist for the same thing a man would get annihilated for. So not saying its okay, and i think theres tough and theres abusive, but men have a higher line to what we consider “abusive” than women
Bruh it’s movie reaction stop playing the victim role
This is one of my favourite films of all time..also my thoughts at the end of this movie was the same Neiman's father had seeing him descend into madness/ ascend into greatness..we could see him proud and amazed at seeing what his son could do for the first time in his life but also absolute horror and concern at seeing the pain and madness and lengths his son has put himself to to achieve this and it overall sums up how i feel about it..
What’s awesome is Miles Teller has been playing drums since he was 15. And he took lessons for 4/5 hours a day, three times a week to prepare for the film. Most of what we see is really Miles playing. I think it’s about 80/20, 80% miles and 20% editing and backup drummers. Which is crazy because a lot of that drumming is some of the highest tier drumming on film. JK Simmons also played piano and retook lessons for his role. Absolutely amazing movie, as someone who played music since I was 5 it is brutally accurate.
I love that you guys got this so wrong for so long. Heh. The film draws you in and then clobbers you with toxic leadership. Mind you, I don't think Ash ever understood this film.
Yeah, they’re funny, but it was kinda frustrating, hoping for them to pick up on the actual themes being presented.
There is no wrong way of seeing this you egotistical prick. Movies are up to the viewers interpretation
Guy's clueless in this lol, I enjoy his content tho.
THIS IS ART! FROM MOVIE TO MUSIC IN IT!
It's pretty obvious that Ash is a really good person. That said, can you imagine him as a schoolteacher or a principal? The bullies would be making fun of the fat kids and he would be busting out laughing.😂
hey if ur bullying atleast be funny
That doesn't sound like a good person lmao.
@@Mr.YasQueengood people can have flaws no one said he was perfect lol
@@carolbaskin1857 If you're making fun of peoples appearance then you're not a good person, also there's no such thing as a perfect person, but that doesn't mean good people don't exist, just the same way you will call a person evil despite them having some good in them.
@@carolbaskin1857 Who the F thinks this guy is perfect? What shade of dumbass are you currently sitting on??
He was abusive in the way he pushed him because he did believe in him and didn't want to get rid of him. You saw how he easily got rid of others at the start. It was his messed up way of caring.
The first scene into the movie and Hana already has the old guy figured out wtf why is she so good at doing that
"He's sacrificing his humanity for greatness." Totally agree. The moral of the film is: is it worth it?
Would you rather be Kurt Cobainn dead at 27 feeling hopeless, but be remembered? Or would you rather live to 90, with a long marriage and maybe kids and grandkids who love you and die feeling fulfilled. Does greatness trump all? That's the struggle.
Lots of legendary musicians make it to their old age, they don't all succumb
@lonerebeI 100%. And not every legendary musician had to ruin their health (physical and mental) to get their. Fletcher thinks his way is the best, but if it was proven, everyone would be doing it.
Legendary also has so many meanings. Legendary as in best technically? Most records sold? Most beloved by the people? I think the film shows how having a very narrow view of what "success" can be damaging.
I think with a different teacher, Andrew may have been okay, but Fletcher fed into insecurities, and flawed logic that he already had in his head.
@@DJKuroh It's not for everyone, that's why everyone isn't doing it. Fletcher had the right intention and idea just bad execution of it. In the end, I think it was all worth it for Andrew since what he wanted was to be one of the best
i bet this is one of the best reactions on the channel, can`t wait to see
Buddy Rich once had a heart attack, mid drum solo, and didn't miss a beat.
You can really see that kind of drive in this movie.
The line about "Good Job" being harmful is powerful
J.K. Simmons is an incredible character actor, but is more known for his comedic rolls. However, in “Whiplash” he is the most damnable villain I’ve ever seen, but those last scenes when he truly appreciates the drumming as brilliant and you see it so clearly in his face . . . Wow! He earned his Oscar!!!
You clearly observe the clear distinction or contrast between these two viewers and their approach of understanding this movie is quite opposite. Thats what this actually movie is all about ,from his dad perspective he lost his son but the audience found their next superstar. The excellence of this movie is that at the end you find it motivating and depressing at the same tym
If you love this movie, you'd love 'Buried' - a movie set in 1 location (inside a coffin) with 1 actor, for maybe the fastest 90-minute movie ever made.
It's criminal Rayan Reynolds didn't win best actor that year.
12:48 “Bird” directed by Clint Eastwood is also a fantastic musical film 🎷🎬🍿
I can't stress this enough: YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH BLACK SWAN. Another INCREDIBLE and twisted story of the quest for perfection in an artistic world (ballet). Super dark and with an incomparable performance by Natalie Portman.
Amazing reaction, btw. Love your videos and your insight!
Oh man I literally was wanting you two to do a reaction video to this movie yesterday 😂. What are the odds of that!
People keep thinking this is a movie about music, its not, its a psychological drama
So funny that Ash exactly pinpointed the thesis of the movie (“he’s sacrificing his humanity for greatness”), but came to the exact opposite conclusion than most people watching the movie (that the sacrifice was a good thing).
38:09 the respect and affirmation Ash was giving to Hannah there was relationship goals
My british definitely is improving! learning so much new words/meanings
Ash's insecurity is the fuel that propels this glorious machine. This opening sequence is essentially the thesis to that theory!
I always get chills at that last shot with the closeup of Fletcher & Neiman.
How has Ash only 85k ? literally with no biases he and hannah should have atleast 500k ?
Love you mate ❤️
When Ash said “This is a film about music, it’s not that deep” and Hannah corrected him with, “Yes, it IS that deep”, she nailed this movie spot on. Ash, you missed it.
Legitimately can't believe how good of a movie this is. Seriously insane.
22:29
ash - "why have I pissed you off?"
hannah - "I don't know yet"
The following is an interview with the director that definitely puts the ending of the film in a much more darker light:
Where do you think these two go after this movie ends? They had a moment at the end of the film, but I feel these two will always hate each other.
Director: I think so. I think it's definitely a fleeting thing. I think there's a certain amount of damage that will always have been done. Fletcher will always think he won and Andrew will be a sad, empty shell of a person and will die in his 30s of a drug overdose. I have a very dark view of where it goes.
That should have been a postscript at the end of the movie, "And at 30, he dies of a drug overdose."
That would be great, right before the credits, "Oh, by the way." It's a post credit thing, like the Marvel movies. It's his funeral.
And Fletcher is there. He gives the eulogy.
"That ungrateful f***ing brat."
He is wrong. Yes, even the author and director can be objectively wrong because he doesnt understand human nature or has some other dogma.
This is what a perfect ending looks like.
I absolutely love this movie. It's so intense and builds suspense in all the best ways! I'm curious if Ash thinks this is better than Good Will Hunting or Dead Poets Society lol
16:11 “don’t cry about it and move on” while I understand the sentiment, I think that’s partly the opposite of what this film is trying to depict. Andrew is being verbally, emotionally and physically abused, and if he isn’t allowed to cry at that then that’s so wrong on so many levels. Crying is a normal response, it doesn’t make you weak, despite what other men (and women) say.
Damien Chazelle is the writer and director of this movie and in my opinion he is an absolutely generational talent. He is in my top 5 favorite film makers of all time and he has only made 4 movies!
I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY suggest La La Land, and Babylon which is in cinemas rn but will be on streaming soon. pls do it. you will not be disappointed !
Best of his generation by far.
LA LA LAND is my all time favorite movie. Damien Chazelle is a legend. im always in awe of his work
J K Simmons the conductor is a very versatile actor and can play all types of characters and genres. You should watch "Burn After Reading", a Coen Brothers movie in which he's in with a great overall cast and is a really fun dark comedy.
When Hannah said "the chopsticks would be up in the air" I lost it🤣I knew you guys would love this film as it doesn't mess around or hold anything back. Honest, unsparing and frightening. And the 'Cymbalisms' mate!!!