I've been riding and selling the Kinekt post for a couple of years now. I find more than enough value in it to make concessions for the weight and inability to use larger under-seat bags. Many of my customers seem to agree. The benefit of the dual spring system, as opposed to the elastomer types found in other products is what makes the Kinect so responsive and comfortable. I think that the biggest revelations will come after you get in some longer miles then switch back to the rigid post. Cheers, and enjoy!
Check out Arkel bikepacking bags/racks. They fit perfectly with the Kinekt posts. I purchased the bag first and happened upon a second hand Kinekt for $130 CAD. Great deal and man, what a difference! And what a coincidence that they fit together so well. Almost like they were designed together.
Juliet, you look so smooth and graceful on the bike. Keep it simple and elegant. I ride lots of gravel and single track on different bikes; 1) A full carbon CX race bike with carbon FSA seat post, bars and stem and 35mm tires; 2) A full ti lynskey including ti stem and seat post with carbon wheels and 43mm tires; 3) a Trek SL6 Checkpoint with isospeed rear and isozone bars. All of these bike have been ridden up to at least 180kms in a day on mixed surfaces. They are all nice and comfy without looking goofy or adding a lot of weight. I also ride a brooks cambium carved on all of them which absorbs lots of bumps. I am 60 Years old so comfort is a priority. There are many simple lightweight ways to get comfort. That Kinekt system looks clunky, heavy and problematic to me.
I want it but too expensive for poor me. At least I got a suspension seatpost for £25 and it was worth it. If the suspension seatpost was no more than £50 I would buy it
I've had a Thudbuster for years and I really enjoy it. I also learned long ago if you trying to save weight take a step on the scale and start there,... I'm now pushing the "just under 100kg" limit and riding is not as fun as it used to be. Also a lesson learned from a Fully experience back in the 90's is to stay seated, otherwise the suspension(Thudbuster) can't do it's job.
Hey Juliet! I've used the Redshift Shockstop stem last year and now their seatpost. They are both adjustable but you have to basically take them apart to do it. The seatpost definitely is an increase in weight over something like the Specialized CG-R and a little bit over the Kinekt. I think you might like pairing the stem with your Kinekt after you get them fully dialed in.
I think you are going to be going on some epic rides over some really rough terrain for hours and hours and if that seat post keeps you in the game then the extra weight is worth it. 200g extra (approx) is so worth it to actually finish instead of being in so much discomfort you bailout.
Yes suspension! Comfort is paramount! I’m surprised you didn’t pick the shockstop combo stem and seat post. The seat post looks much better IMO and is same weight ~497g. Both together have great reviews and makes the front not feel so disconnected. Love your videos!
Morning! (Always so cheerful!) A couple of thoughts here: I've been looking at that seatpost and videos put out by the guy who invented it. He claims that you should have the tension set so that your normal riding will not compress the springs at all. This reduces any pedaling bounce. However, my experience with suspension seatposts (Thudbuster) is that when you have it that stiff it doesn't smooth out the highspeed vidrations and when you do hit a marge bump the rebound--i.e. topping out--causes an additional bump. Plus, in the website's intro showing how well the post works has the seat set up with some sag. He's providing two different messages and thus the reason I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. Second, the extra weight on the bike and thus the extra effort the legs have to produce to push the bike forward is probably off-set by the fewer times you have to take the weight on your legs to cushion a bump. So, over the hours of a ride, the matches you're burning are put into making your bike move forward and not supporting your weight for comfort. Honestly, I wish I could part with the money to buy a Canyon seatpost. Super light leaf spring type setup, but stupid expensive for what it is. Redshift has an interesting looking seatpost. I use their suspension stem and it works fabulously. EDIT: To clarify my statement above, the owner of Cirrus seatpost advises no sag on the springs. That just doesn't seem conducive to a smooth ride.
Hi Ken. Thanks for your comments. I work for Cirrus Cycles. Your observation that "you should have the tension set so that your normal riding will not compress the springs at all" is not quite correct. Try setting the post up that way, in your normal riding position, and then back the tension off until you find "your" sweet spot. Juliet mentions this in the video at about 7:30. Tuning the ride that way makes an immense difference to the ride quality. I could not agree more with your second point about increasing endurance by increasing comfort. You will find that springs silence the chatter of surface vibrations much more effectively than big elastomers as they react so much faster.
Ive been using the Redshift ShockStop suspension seat post on my Trek Checkpoint. And I love it. Its cleaner looking. The spring is internal linkages are minimal to the eye but still gets the job done. Simple to set up too. Now Im spending more time in the saddle and less time standing to give my rear end a rest. Now thinking about a Redshift suspension stem to even things out.
Defo. I just got the original model of the Redshift ShockStop post - the one with springs in it (not the new one with the elastomers). It's really good. You can tune it to your weight so you get some suspension, but no bobbing. It's great.
I absolutely love my Carbon Diverge ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ it’s perfect for me. I recommend it! My only issue with a rockshok stem is the additional weight and limited size options. Specialized nailed it!
I've had the Redshift suspension stem for a few months I would definitely suggest that if you miss the future shock from specialized, I also just received their Suspension seat post which is amazing, it gives you more time in the saddle, more time in the drops especially on rough terrain. Redshift are doing a deal atm for both at $349 USD That's full suspension for 270 quid! 😉
So if you want real rear and front suspension, get a 29er cross country mountain bike with narrow tires. Roadies got into gravel bikes to broaden their off road experience. Mtbers get into gravel bikes for speed and distance riding. I use a Thudbuster ST (minimal cush) on my cycle cross rig to make the rear end a bit softer for longer rides.
I did the Tim Woodcock C2C on a hardtail with a cane creek thudbuster very similar to that design, and I found it essential for a couple of 14 hour days involving big rocks. A big yeah from me
HI Juliet, you might want to try the redshift stem. It has a piece of polymer inside of it, that provides a bit of suspension to the front end, but has still a good amount of torsional stiffness.
I had a suspension seat on my Marin Gestalt and it made a huge difference in comfort on extended rides through gravel and singletrack. You should try out the Niner MCR full sus gravel bike.
50 years old. Back pain. Suspension seatposts are a no-brainer for me. Keeps me riding. Got it on my touring bike, on my road bike (carbon frame) and will have it on my gravel bike shortly. In-line or not does not matter. Just take the edge off the jarring impacts and I am happy. Edit: Went on a 80 km ride yesterday, 30 on gravel/muck/paths. Added an in-line suspension seatpost just before the ride. Made all the difference. Was not an expensive one at that, just below €30. Well worth the extra 250 gram.
I have a hardtail mountain ebike, & the suntour sus seatpost, it is perfect for gravel & road daily commuting, no more spine compression from the occasional unexpected bump, especially when getting around at 35-40 kph
I think those suspension seatposts are nice for touring riders but not for those who move their bike more sportive because every time you have more weight on your pedals, it did not work. I would recommend a real suspension at least in the front. Today I have seen a review about the Niner MCR and I think we will see more full suspension gravelbikes in the future.
I think you can get obsesed with saving weigh over comfort.. Firstly why save weight to compromise comfort? This assume on your 8hr ride you'll be mostly in the saddle, I Would! You said the seat post was, approx 500g, but what weight seatpost did you remove? Front suspension, suspension stems are resurrecting a old idea dropped in favour of telescopic forks. All suspension needs to be 'damped, especially at the front. Bouncing front end = potentially loosing traction and steering control.
My wife is starting use suspension stem couple of years ago, and from her words the result was massive. She uses it for touring purposes tho, but still, if effect from it is not obvious for you, you should play with settings a bit, and if you don't see clearly, this is next level, you shouldn't yous this. Frankly, it's about any innovation.
You could just ride with more tire so you can lower the pressure. You dont need any other suspension. But aero issues will slow your ride then. Gravel bikes can be ridden fast enough on nontechnical surfaces that aero matters a lot. The narrower the better for the front especially, limited by the roughness of the gravel course at hand. I can get down to 32c on the smoothest courses like canal paths. Foam tire inserts are used by Dylan Johnson to ride safely with even lower pressure with a narrower tire!
The real issue with these is sag and bob, as you described. This makes it difficult to get things right, so you get the correct leg extension for maximum power whilst getting cushioning. Personally I think the best options are a fixed post with some flex designed in, such as the Specialized Zertz or the Canyon. Both of these only have about 20mm of movement, which is enough, and weigh a few grams more, but are not adjustable.
I have one one my Trek Duel Sport 4. It definitely helps smooth out all of the tiny bumps and jolts. Between that and the fork it makes rough dirt roads much more enjoyable.
Trying new products blind and then figuring out how to dial them in, is a very cool way of looking at things. I will be putting this tip in my bag of tricks! I Enjoy your content, Daves too👍 thanks from 🇨🇦
hi Juliet. Neve used one so this is just an opinion from and engineer based on the video you have produced. if you are sat in the saddle for long days riding I feel this would give you some added comfort but looking at it it may restrict you from using some saddle bags so bike packing maybe an issue. also if you were in a racing situation it would add weight and if your pushing would you not be supporting most of your body weight on the legs/feet and arms which would then mean you would not have much body weight on your saddle. your legs and arm are the best suspension we have. for long days in the saddle I think this would give some added comfort but suspension forks/stem I think would be a better option as the saddle post only suspends your body weight not any of the bikes weight. with a fork or stem the whole bike will be suspended pivoting about the rear wheel axel. this will give added comfort and better bike handling as well.
my winter xc hardtail is a trek procalibre and it has the isospeed decoupler thing that gives you 11mm of travel in the seat. Only bought the bike as a temporary bike excuse it was a bargain and the plan was to get a highball. I was expecting it to be a gimmick and a load of shite but I’m blown away! So comfy and now have no intentions of getting a highball even though I’m a Santa Cruz fan boy and my other bikes are Santa Cruz.
Absolutely! I have a Cannondale Slate and would really miss the lefty fork on it. It takes the buzz out of the handlebars, we got pretty ugly cobblestones here in Belgium and they literally get ironed out. Think about that half kilo as just an extra water bottle if it bothers you.
I ride a hardtail, bought a suspension seatpost, well I did not cry about not buying a full suspension, I was just very happy about the seatpost. Well allmost, really when you have the quick snapoff on the seatpost and can interchange in 7seconds, one with full suspension seatpost and comfort sadel, and one that bit harder. Why not get both, 7sec to change them, its a nobrainer
The main use and benefit of a suspension post on gravel bike , for me, is when riding aero bars over 20 mph and most of my bodyweight is on the saddle because my muscles are trying as much as possible to turn the big gear over instead of suspending my body upward. On my XC bike i am using the legs as suspension a lot more, by contrast. On my gravel bike i am sitting heavily. On gravel over 20 the invisible bumps become surprisingly large and shoot me up and cause loss of focus, and the susp on the azz prevents that.
Which parts of you are most fatigued after an 8-hour gravel ride? My limited experience was arms and shoulders. So either double up in the gym or take a weight penalty and add devices to offset the discomfort. If you want to reduce trail buzz through the seat why not try some carbon fibre posts which have been designed to do this - and try them over cobbles
15 years ago I used a suspension seatpost on my Specialized Sequioa. You can hurt one of your knees when the suspension lifts the saddle and your pedal at that side is at its lowest point. So you must have the saddle lower than with a normal seatpost. Less comfortable.
I think the right tires at the right pressure will work just fine, even for eight hours. The suspension seatpost should take care of the real issue with eight hours on a bike. Unless your gravel races contain embedded rock and loose rock about the size of bricks, I don't think suspension is necessary. I just put the fattest tires my cross bike could handle and went for it, and that seems to work just fine. One final note: for crisssakessss get a small duffel bag and put an extra few sets of socks, gloves, shades, tights, shorts, shoes, pedals, extra helmet, tubes, CO2's, first aid, basic tools, and whatever else you need for any given ride (I'm sure you have more than one of everything needed - it's backup stuff, in case you NEED it). I have a duffel with all the aforementioned stuff ready to toss in the back of the jeep for mountain, road, or cross. Problem solved.
Strange look, but if effective, who cares? You “could” try the Specialized seat post from the Diverge if you really want seat suspension. Marin however, may not like the brand mix.
I've got a suntour suspension seatpost and if you're doing 50+ miles it really helps on gravel. It makes a huge difference on the road. But the biggest pain is in my wrists and shoulders.
Thoughtful video..thanks! I'm not convinced the weight is giving the return. Big tyres and lower pressure along with your knees will probably deal with the worst of the bumps. The front end may give more relief to shoulders and arms if some suspension is added there? You have to hold onto your bars no matter what so may be a better target. Looks complex too, lots going on. A flexi standard seat post will have some spring in it. Hope you got out in the frosty sunshine this weekend!!
You should test the new Kinekt Suspension Stem. The Stem is now available and works similar to the Kinekt Seatpost it’s just amazing absolutely worth to give it a try, you will love it!
I rode a 200km gravel brevet last weekend on a Mongoose Randonneur. It's an older bike (gravel bike before they were gravel bikes...) Quite heavy but it hd a suspended seat. All be it a very primitive spring one. Made the ride quite comfortable. I have since got rid of it but will be getting a flexible carbon post instead! Long distance gravel this will be worth the additional weight I reckon!
What about a shortstop stem if you liked the specialized bike..... That also suspends the. Bar a bit... Rather than the back end.... I think it is far more useful because you can always stand up to manage the back end.... A dropper seat post would be better on a gravel bike think
I probably a bit biased as I think gravel bikes are just another way of making people want another bike. I’m a miserable old git though and remember riding non suspension Mtb back in the day with bar ends, which looking at that gravel bike is more or less what that is with drops instead of a flat bar but costing ££££££s for the priverlidge. Like you said if you want a fast go anywhere bike then get a xc Mtb as you’ll never be riding off road on the drops for eight hours and I’m not buying the fact a road bike frame is more comfy than an Mtb off road. As for seat post suspension pointless down hill as you’ll be stood up like you said, it will make it comfy sat down but does it bob? I bet it does under big watts! Rant over, can you tell I’m not a gravel bike fan? Great vids and lovely family, keep it up and good luck in the races you have planned.
Try some giant slr d fuse handlebar . It does give a bit taking out the buzz of some of the rough stuff. Not a cheap option but with your contacts you may be able to blag one.
I'm have been using the Redshift stem for over a year and the Redshift seatpost for nearly a month. For my riding, gravel, road and commutes on towpath I think that they are really good but you need to set them up properly to get the proper benefits.
It could be an interesting idea. Thinking about going the Shocktop Redshift stem which is like a 15mm suspension at best. You should look into one. If I had the money I'd be going the Niner Magic Carpet Ride, the full-suspension gravel bike or maybe the Lauf Tru Grit with their gravel fork which is 30mm of suspension. The Lauf fork works well in the snow & can be had as a standalone. Fox also makes the Fox 32 AX gravel fork with like 40mm of suspension. Same with MRP, which is included on the Bombtrack Hook ADV gravel bike stock.
Love my Diverge Future Shock but looking to add the Specialized CG-R Carbon Seatpost. The Marin is a beautiful bike and what ever shock you add will be nice addition. Enjoy the ride
you can always just cut down the seat post to save a bit of weight, and you can look at rockshox roubaix/which were suspension forks made for road bikes, though you'll loose alot of tire size
A simpler, cheaper design for the front end is foam pipe wrap for a section on the handlebars. We did the same as kids on our bmx bikes instead of buying the expensive oakley grips since we were poor.
I don't have enough flesh between the skin and bones so a little something to take the edge off the repetitious micro jack hammering is welcome. Comfort over weight any day, any ride. I went with the poor mans shock reduction using Redshift Sports stem and seat post. I don't get issues with hand nerve compression anymore and the seat post saves the bum bones considerably. The downside is occasional bobbing from the seat post when road or trail undulations correspond with your body rising and falling.
The redshift seat post is only Weight 497 g (17.5 oz) Not sure how that compares to what you have. May be a little lighter or not LOL. The redshift stem is nice for those bumpy roads and don't way a great deal more than the standard Aluminum stems. The one you have is about 10 grams lighter in carbon over the aluminum ones from redshift sports. FYI
In my experience 90% of gravel riding doesn't need mtb suspension, so bit of compliance is plenty just to kill the vibration, especially at the front. Question, if the ground is bumpy enough to need suspension in the rear would you not be stood anyway? How does this compare to the split seat post on the Grail you rode?
I think you should keep it on for a bit. If for no other reason than to save me the headache of having to test one like I was thinking I might this spring.
Air shock or saddle with intentionally flexy rails are both lighter than metal coil shock, which is so old-school but not in a good way. Nobody uses metal coil springs in forks any more due to weight....air shock ftw.
I had considered a Cirrus post early last year but passed on it due to the weight. I went with an eeSilk instead, about 200 grams lighter but not as adjustable. After 6+ months it has developed a little left/right play. Worth looking into both redshift and Lauf. From what I've seen the Lauf fork is great for gravel and the redshift stem feels wierd on pavement but is great off road. Haven't seen a review of the redshift post yet....
Interesting video! Thanks. I've being doing Gravel for 3 years. My previous bike was an alloy-frame one. At some point I had coxis inflamation problems so I bought a Thudbuster ST suspension. I must say that it worked and my país disappeared. Now I have a Carbon frame Spec Diverge with Future Shock and I haven't installed the thudbuster. At the moment the Carbon frame and Future shock dœs the job, I think that my back suffers more in descents so Suspension in the front helps me more. It depends on your style of riding
A Carbon KINEKT Seatpost (stiff spring) and Redshift Stem (harder pad) is what I use and my bum and wrist are fine after a full days ride (totally worth the weight)...
I enjoyed your accent. As for the seat post It looks too bulky and heavy. I think the Canyon VCLS is probably a better option if you can find one in stock. Ergon also makes the same seat post as Canyon but branded as Ergon CF3.
Most of my after ride pain on 100+ mile gravel rides is in my shoulders. I'm planning to try a Redshift stem, but not really thinking about seatpost suspension.
Hard to say if you should have it on, you need to test it a bit more before deciding. You can always put a normal seat post back on, if you can't get used to it. By the way, what kind of handlebar bag are you using?
Haven't tried either, but just pondering it, I'd think that a suspension stem would be more useful than suspension seatpost. Having said that, I am curious about how much more comfortable it would make multi-hour rides where there's a lot of sit time.
Thought we were going to have to go through another saddlegate again😁😉 Post looked a bit chunky, but as you say, if comfy over long rides then it’s got to be better than not👍
I have one seat post suspension and it makes it feel like the bike is made of elastic. It’s really weird. It feels like the bike stretches forward and back.
When I used to ride MTBs I hated the pedal bob on a full susser, I’d be interested to know whether this behaves the same. I sort of feel that you might be better off without this seat post, perhaps some 650B wheels to provide additional comfort. Great video though, and the ‘glovegate’ made me laugh.
I used to have suspension seatpost years back but after long ride i stop using it because as the seapost position moves my leg's reach length between my hip and the pedal changed a lot causes not so consistent cadence around the crank when i'm pedalling. Ended up having a bad knee after 5 hours of ride.
I just discovered cycling and touring, dont have much money but looking to get a bike just stuck between gravel or road . not to mention im out of shape still smoking a few cigs which ill quit the day I can get a bike as im not weak minded. may try a race ...as long as there is a respected every 10 feet ill do amazing lol
I've been riding and selling the Kinekt post for a couple of years now. I find more than enough value in it to make concessions for the weight and inability to use larger under-seat bags. Many of my customers seem to agree. The benefit of the dual spring system, as opposed to the elastomer types found in other products is what makes the Kinect so responsive and comfortable. I think that the biggest revelations will come after you get in some longer miles then switch back to the rigid post. Cheers, and enjoy!
Check out Arkel bikepacking bags/racks. They fit perfectly with the Kinekt posts. I purchased the bag first and happened upon a second hand Kinekt for $130 CAD. Great deal and man, what a difference! And what a coincidence that they fit together so well. Almost like they were designed together.
Juliet, you look so smooth and graceful on the bike. Keep it simple and elegant. I ride lots of gravel and single track on different bikes; 1) A full carbon CX race bike with carbon FSA seat post, bars and stem and 35mm tires; 2) A full ti lynskey including ti stem and seat post with carbon wheels and 43mm tires; 3) a Trek SL6 Checkpoint with isospeed rear and isozone bars. All of these bike have been ridden up to at least 180kms in a day on mixed surfaces. They are all nice and comfy without looking goofy or adding a lot of weight. I also ride a brooks cambium carved on all of them which absorbs lots of bumps. I am 60 Years old so comfort is a priority. There are many simple lightweight ways to get comfort. That Kinekt system looks clunky, heavy and problematic to me.
For the rear - Canyon S15 VCLS seat post. I have this and it works very well, same weight as regular seat post
Front - Lauf grit forks
thx for the tips! i already awaits my Lauf Grit, next will be this seatpost from Canyon
Redshift shockstop stem, light and effective 🤗
The Redshift stem is excellent and works really well!
I agree, I put one on my gravel bike and it takes all the jarring out of your arms and upper back, great investment with no loss of control.
What is this seat post like while hard peddling, does it bob ?
I want it but too expensive for poor me. At least I got a suspension seatpost for £25 and it was worth it. If the suspension seatpost was no more than £50 I would buy it
Love Dave standing behind you laughing about the glove. Ya'll are such a cute family.
I've had a Thudbuster for years and I really enjoy it. I also learned long ago if you trying to save weight take a step on the scale and start there,... I'm now pushing the "just under 100kg" limit and riding is not as fun as it used to be. Also a lesson learned from a Fully experience back in the 90's is to stay seated, otherwise the suspension(Thudbuster) can't do it's job.
Hey Juliet! I've used the Redshift Shockstop stem last year and now their seatpost. They are both adjustable but you have to basically take them apart to do it. The seatpost definitely is an increase in weight over something like the Specialized CG-R and a little bit over the Kinekt. I think you might like pairing the stem with your Kinekt after you get them fully dialed in.
I think you are going to be going on some epic rides over some really rough terrain for hours and hours and if that seat post keeps you in the game then the extra weight is worth it. 200g extra (approx) is so worth it to actually finish instead of being in so much discomfort you bailout.
Yes suspension! Comfort is paramount! I’m surprised you didn’t pick the shockstop combo stem and seat post. The seat post looks much better IMO and is same weight ~497g. Both together have great reviews and makes the front not feel so disconnected. Love your videos!
Morning! (Always so cheerful!)
A couple of thoughts here: I've been looking at that seatpost and videos put out by the guy who invented it. He claims that you should have the tension set so that your normal riding will not compress the springs at all. This reduces any pedaling bounce. However, my experience with suspension seatposts (Thudbuster) is that when you have it that stiff it doesn't smooth out the highspeed vidrations and when you do hit a marge bump the rebound--i.e. topping out--causes an additional bump. Plus, in the website's intro showing how well the post works has the seat set up with some sag. He's providing two different messages and thus the reason I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet.
Second, the extra weight on the bike and thus the extra effort the legs have to produce to push the bike forward is probably off-set by the fewer times you have to take the weight on your legs to cushion a bump. So, over the hours of a ride, the matches you're burning are put into making your bike move forward and not supporting your weight for comfort.
Honestly, I wish I could part with the money to buy a Canyon seatpost. Super light leaf spring type setup, but stupid expensive for what it is.
Redshift has an interesting looking seatpost. I use their suspension stem and it works fabulously.
EDIT: To clarify my statement above, the owner of Cirrus seatpost advises no sag on the springs. That just doesn't seem conducive to a smooth ride.
Hi Ken.
Thanks for your comments. I work for Cirrus Cycles.
Your observation that "you should have the tension set so that your normal riding will not compress the springs at all" is not quite correct. Try setting the post up that way, in your normal riding position, and then back the tension off until you find "your" sweet spot. Juliet mentions this in the video at about 7:30. Tuning the ride that way makes an immense difference to the ride quality.
I could not agree more with your second point about increasing endurance by increasing comfort.
You will find that springs silence the chatter of surface vibrations much more effectively than big elastomers as they react so much faster.
@@chrishawson6532 Thanks for the clarification. I must have misunderstood those videos.
Ive been using the Redshift ShockStop suspension seat post on my Trek Checkpoint. And I love it. Its cleaner looking. The spring is internal linkages are minimal to the eye but still gets the job done. Simple to set up too. Now Im spending more time in the saddle and less time standing to give my rear end a rest. Now thinking about a Redshift suspension stem to even things out.
Defo. I just got the original model of the Redshift ShockStop post - the one with springs in it (not the new one with the elastomers).
It's really good. You can tune it to your weight so you get some suspension, but no bobbing.
It's great.
Please try the Redshift Suspension Stem. I'm thinking of getting it too
I have the redshift stem on my gravel bike. Fantastic product! Highly recommended.
Seb Astian A lot of people use that in the north west USA and I’ve heard nothing but good things
@@MoyMacGill I already got 29x2.10 on my Bulls Trail grinder so I wonder if I will be really benefiting that much 🤔
I have a Redshift suspension stem on my bikepacking bike, its great!
Yeah my brother has one and he's very happy with it, I want one to but they don't have a 80mm version :(
I absolutely love my Carbon Diverge ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ it’s perfect for me. I recommend it! My only issue with a rockshok stem is the additional weight and limited size options. Specialized nailed it!
I've had the Redshift suspension stem for a few months I would definitely suggest that if you miss the future shock from specialized, I also just received their Suspension seat post which is amazing, it gives you more time in the saddle, more time in the drops especially on rough terrain.
Redshift are doing a deal atm for both at $349 USD
That's full suspension for 270 quid! 😉
So if you want real rear and front suspension, get a 29er cross country mountain bike with narrow tires. Roadies got into gravel bikes to broaden their off road experience. Mtbers get into gravel bikes for speed and distance riding. I use a Thudbuster ST (minimal cush) on my cycle cross rig to make the rear end a bit softer for longer rides.
I did the Tim Woodcock C2C on a hardtail with a cane creek thudbuster very similar to that design, and I found it essential for a couple of 14 hour days involving big rocks. A big yeah from me
HI Juliet, you might want to try the redshift stem. It has a piece of polymer inside of it, that provides a bit of suspension to the front end, but has still a good amount of torsional stiffness.
I had a suspension seat on my Marin Gestalt and it made a huge difference in comfort on extended rides through gravel and singletrack. You should try out the Niner MCR full sus gravel bike.
50 years old. Back pain. Suspension seatposts are a no-brainer for me. Keeps me riding. Got it on my touring bike, on my road bike (carbon frame) and will have it on my gravel bike shortly. In-line or not does not matter. Just take the edge off the jarring impacts and I am happy.
Edit: Went on a 80 km ride yesterday, 30 on gravel/muck/paths. Added an in-line suspension seatpost just before the ride. Made all the difference. Was not an expensive one at that, just below €30. Well worth the extra 250 gram.
I have a hardtail mountain ebike, & the suntour sus seatpost, it is perfect for gravel & road daily commuting, no more spine compression from the occasional unexpected bump, especially when getting around at 35-40 kph
I think those suspension seatposts are nice for touring riders but not for those who move their bike more sportive because every time you have more weight on your pedals, it did not work. I would recommend a real suspension at least in the front. Today I have seen a review about the Niner MCR and I think we will see more full suspension gravelbikes in the future.
What an honest lady.
Thanks.
I think you can get obsesed with saving weigh over comfort.. Firstly why save weight to compromise comfort? This assume on your 8hr ride you'll be mostly in the saddle, I Would! You said the seat post was, approx 500g, but what weight seatpost did you remove?
Front suspension, suspension stems are resurrecting a old idea dropped in favour of telescopic forks. All suspension needs to be 'damped, especially at the front. Bouncing front end = potentially loosing traction and steering control.
For the front put two lots of handle bar wrap and run slightly pressure in those gravel tyres
My wife is starting use suspension stem couple of years ago, and from her words the result was massive. She uses it for touring purposes tho, but still, if effect from it is not obvious for you, you should play with settings a bit, and if you don't see clearly, this is next level, you shouldn't yous this.
Frankly, it's about any innovation.
You could just ride with more tire so you can lower the pressure. You dont need any other suspension. But aero issues will slow your ride then. Gravel bikes can be ridden fast enough on nontechnical surfaces that aero matters a lot. The narrower the better for the front especially, limited by the roughness of the gravel course at hand. I can get down to 32c on the smoothest courses like canal paths. Foam tire inserts are used by Dylan Johnson to ride safely with even lower pressure with a narrower tire!
I’ve been curious about this topic, for a while. I like the idea of the Lauf grit fork.
The real issue with these is sag and bob, as you described. This makes it difficult to get things right, so you get the correct leg extension for maximum power whilst getting cushioning. Personally I think the best options are a fixed post with some flex designed in, such as the Specialized Zertz or the Canyon. Both of these only have about 20mm of movement, which is enough, and weigh a few grams more, but are not adjustable.
I have one one my Trek Duel Sport 4. It definitely helps smooth out all of the tiny bumps and jolts. Between that and the fork it makes rough dirt roads much more enjoyable.
Trying new products blind and then figuring out how to dial them in, is a very cool way of looking at things. I will be putting this tip in my bag of tricks! I Enjoy your content, Daves too👍 thanks from 🇨🇦
hi Juliet. Neve used one so this is just an opinion from and engineer based on the video you have produced. if you are sat in the saddle for long days riding I feel this would give you some added comfort but looking at it it may restrict you from using some saddle bags so bike packing maybe an issue. also if you were in a racing situation it would add weight and if your pushing would you not be supporting most of your body weight on the legs/feet and arms which would then mean you would not have much body weight on your saddle. your legs and arm are the best suspension we have. for long days in the saddle I think this would give some added comfort but suspension forks/stem I think would be a better option as the saddle post only suspends your body weight not any of the bikes weight. with a fork or stem the whole bike will be suspended pivoting about the rear wheel axel. this will give added comfort and better bike handling as well.
I think there was a seat post called the thudbuster.
I use thudbuster on gravel. A lighter design like air shock or seat spring is on my mind to try.
my winter xc hardtail is a trek procalibre and it has the isospeed decoupler thing that gives you 11mm of travel in the seat. Only bought the bike as a temporary bike excuse it was a bargain and the plan was to get a highball. I was expecting it to be a gimmick and a load of shite but I’m blown away! So comfy and now have no intentions of getting a highball even though I’m a Santa Cruz fan boy and my other bikes are Santa Cruz.
Absolutely! I have a Cannondale Slate and would really miss the lefty fork on it. It takes the buzz out of the handlebars, we got pretty ugly cobblestones here in Belgium and they literally get ironed out. Think about that half kilo as just an extra water bottle if it bothers you.
I ride a hardtail, bought a suspension seatpost, well I did not cry about not buying a full suspension, I was just very happy about the seatpost. Well allmost, really when you have the quick snapoff on the seatpost and can interchange in 7seconds, one with full suspension seatpost and comfort sadel, and one that bit harder. Why not get both, 7sec to change them, its a nobrainer
The main use and benefit of a suspension post on gravel bike , for me, is when riding aero bars over 20 mph and most of my bodyweight is on the saddle because my muscles are trying as much as possible to turn the big gear over instead of suspending my body upward. On my XC bike i am using the legs as suspension a lot more, by contrast. On my gravel bike i am sitting heavily. On gravel over 20 the invisible bumps become surprisingly large and shoot me up and cause loss of focus, and the susp on the azz prevents that.
Which parts of you are most fatigued after an 8-hour gravel ride? My limited experience was arms and shoulders. So either double up in the gym or take a weight penalty and add devices to offset the discomfort. If you want to reduce trail buzz through the seat why not try some carbon fibre posts which have been designed to do this - and try them over cobbles
15 years ago I used a suspension seatpost on my Specialized Sequioa. You can hurt one of your knees when the suspension lifts the saddle and your pedal at that side is at its lowest point. So you must have the saddle lower than with a normal seatpost. Less comfortable.
I think the right tires at the right pressure will work just fine, even for eight hours. The suspension seatpost should take care of the real issue with eight hours on a bike. Unless your gravel races contain embedded rock and loose rock about the size of bricks, I don't think suspension is necessary.
I just put the fattest tires my cross bike could handle and went for it, and that seems to work just fine.
One final note: for crisssakessss get a small duffel bag and put an extra few sets of socks, gloves, shades, tights, shorts, shoes, pedals, extra helmet, tubes, CO2's, first aid, basic tools, and whatever else you need for any given ride (I'm sure you have more than one of everything needed - it's backup stuff, in case you NEED it). I have a duffel with all the aforementioned stuff ready to toss in the back of the jeep for mountain, road, or cross. Problem solved.
Yes 💯👍 Even though I knew nothing about seat posts like that I'm all about suspensions, let's absorb those shocks 🚲
Yes, see how you go. Like the idea of the Lauf forks as well
Strange look, but if effective, who cares? You “could” try the Specialized seat post from the Diverge if you really want seat suspension. Marin however, may not like the brand mix.
this week i tested a Suntour SP17-NCX on my Gravel. Very very smooth and i think it gives me more power on the wheels
I've got a suntour suspension seatpost and if you're doing 50+ miles it really helps on gravel. It makes a huge difference on the road. But the biggest pain is in my wrists and shoulders.
Thoughtful video..thanks! I'm not convinced the weight is giving the return. Big tyres and lower pressure along with your knees will probably deal with the worst of the bumps. The front end may give more relief to shoulders and arms if some suspension is added there? You have to hold onto your bars no matter what so may be a better target. Looks complex too, lots going on. A flexi standard seat post will have some spring in it. Hope you got out in the frosty sunshine this weekend!!
You should test the new Kinekt Suspension Stem. The Stem is now available and works similar to the Kinekt Seatpost it’s just amazing absolutely worth to give it a try, you will love it!
I rode a 200km gravel brevet last weekend on a Mongoose Randonneur. It's an older bike (gravel bike before they were gravel bikes...) Quite heavy but it hd a suspended seat. All be it a very primitive spring one. Made the ride quite comfortable. I have since got rid of it but will be getting a flexible carbon post instead! Long distance gravel this will be worth the additional weight I reckon!
What about a shortstop stem if you liked the specialized bike..... That also suspends the. Bar a bit... Rather than the back end.... I think it is far more useful because you can always stand up to manage the back end.... A dropper seat post would be better on a gravel bike think
I probably a bit biased as I think gravel bikes are just another way of making people want another bike. I’m a miserable old git though and remember riding non suspension Mtb back in the day with bar ends, which looking at that gravel bike is more or less what that is with drops instead of a flat bar but costing ££££££s for the priverlidge. Like you said if you want a fast go anywhere bike then get a xc Mtb as you’ll never be riding off road on the drops for eight hours and I’m not buying the fact a road bike frame is more comfy than an Mtb off road. As for seat post suspension pointless down hill as you’ll be stood up like you said, it will make it comfy sat down but does it bob? I bet it does under big watts! Rant over, can you tell I’m not a gravel bike fan? Great vids and lovely family, keep it up and good luck in the races you have planned.
Try some giant slr d fuse handlebar . It does give a bit taking out the buzz of some of the rough stuff. Not a cheap option but with your contacts you may be able to blag one.
I'm have been using the Redshift stem for over a year and the Redshift seatpost for nearly a month. For my riding, gravel, road and commutes on towpath I think that they are really good but you need to set them up properly to get the proper benefits.
It could be an interesting idea. Thinking about going the Shocktop Redshift stem which is like a 15mm suspension at best. You should look into one. If I had the money I'd be going the Niner Magic Carpet Ride, the full-suspension gravel bike or maybe the Lauf Tru Grit with their gravel fork which is 30mm of suspension. The Lauf fork works well in the snow & can be had as a standalone. Fox also makes the Fox 32 AX gravel fork with like 40mm of suspension. Same with MRP, which is included on the Bombtrack Hook ADV gravel bike stock.
That is some proper bar tape 200 thumbs ☝
Love my Diverge Future Shock but looking to add the Specialized CG-R Carbon Seatpost. The Marin is a beautiful bike and what ever shock you add will be nice addition. Enjoy the ride
you can always just cut down the seat post to save a bit of weight, and you can look at rockshox roubaix/which were suspension forks made for road bikes, though you'll loose alot of tire size
A simpler, cheaper design for the front end is foam pipe wrap for a section on the handlebars. We did the same as kids on our bmx bikes instead of buying the expensive oakley grips since we were poor.
Been doing gravel with the redshift stem and a short travel thudbuster seatpost for over a year very happy with the isolation.
I don't have enough flesh between the skin and bones so a little something to take the edge off the repetitious micro jack hammering is welcome. Comfort over weight any day, any ride. I went with the poor mans shock reduction using Redshift Sports stem and seat post. I don't get issues with hand nerve compression anymore and the seat post saves the bum bones considerably. The downside is occasional bobbing from the seat post when road or trail undulations correspond with your body rising and falling.
What about you trying out some dampening for the front ... stem? Wouldn´t that bring more comfort?
Love that bar tape!
Me too!
The redshift seat post is only
Weight 497 g (17.5 oz)
Not sure how that compares to what you have. May be a little lighter or not LOL. The redshift stem is nice for those bumpy roads and don't way a great deal more than the standard Aluminum stems. The one you have is about 10 grams lighter in carbon over the aluminum ones from redshift sports. FYI
In my experience 90% of gravel riding doesn't need mtb suspension, so bit of compliance is plenty just to kill the vibration, especially at the front. Question, if the ground is bumpy enough to need suspension in the rear would you not be stood anyway? How does this compare to the split seat post on the Grail you rode?
If you're not a hard core competitive rider dont worry about the bit off weight. Enjoy your ride.
I like the honesty, ride it more. Work out if the extra 250g is worth the extra comfort against an x amount of time in the saddle?
I think you should keep it on for a bit. If for no other reason than to save me the headache of having to test one like I was thinking I might this spring.
Its unique long distance trail ride can be uncomfortable looks like it will be beneficial.
Air shock or saddle with intentionally flexy rails are both lighter than metal coil shock, which is so old-school but not in a good way. Nobody uses metal coil springs in forks any more due to weight....air shock ftw.
I had considered a Cirrus post early last year but passed on it due to the weight. I went with an eeSilk instead, about 200 grams lighter but not as adjustable. After 6+ months it has developed a little left/right play. Worth looking into both redshift and Lauf. From what I've seen the Lauf fork is great for gravel and the redshift stem feels wierd on pavement but is great off road. Haven't seen a review of the redshift post yet....
Loving the channel by the way Juliet - just wish there were more café /cake reviews...
i use a statucation seatpost (it has foam not a spring) and double bar tape (one cork and foam over that ) stops dead fingers and hands
That glove problem was better than the shoe problem you had before. LOL! I'd keep the sus seatpost on for a bit. Give it time then decide.
Interesting video! Thanks.
I've being doing Gravel for 3 years. My previous bike was an alloy-frame one. At some point I had coxis inflamation problems so I bought a Thudbuster ST suspension. I must say that it worked and my país disappeared. Now I have a Carbon frame Spec Diverge with Future Shock and I haven't installed the thudbuster. At the moment the Carbon frame and Future shock dœs the job, I think that my back suffers more in descents so Suspension in the front helps me more. It depends on your style of riding
A Suspension seat post seems like too much. A split seat post would offer stiffness on uphills and compliance over bumpy terrain
Know of any good ones?
A Carbon KINEKT Seatpost (stiff spring) and Redshift Stem (harder pad) is what I use and my bum and wrist are fine after a full days ride (totally worth the weight)...
I would leave the post on, it looks different and cool!
Sounds like you wish Specialized was your sponsor so you could ride the Diverge?
I enjoyed your accent. As for the seat post It looks too bulky and heavy. I think the Canyon VCLS is probably a better option if you can find one in stock. Ergon also makes the same seat post as Canyon but branded as Ergon CF3.
Most of my after ride pain on 100+ mile gravel rides is in my shoulders. I'm planning to try a Redshift stem, but not really thinking about seatpost suspension.
Hard to say if you should have it on, you need to test it a bit more before deciding. You can always put a normal seat post back on, if you can't get used to it.
By the way, what kind of handlebar bag are you using?
My Pinarello GRS has a rear shock. I like it because when I can put 30mm tires on, the comfort feels like 40mm.
Haven't tried either, but just pondering it, I'd think that a suspension stem would be more useful than suspension seatpost. Having said that, I am curious about how much more comfortable it would make multi-hour rides where there's a lot of sit time.
Thought we were going to have to go through another saddlegate again😁😉 Post looked a bit chunky, but as you say, if comfy over long rides then it’s got to be better than not👍
Keep it for a while to use on long rides to really test it out.
Try the Red Shift suspension stem. That’s better then future shock. Keep up the nice videos
Sit on it, do some knob-fiddling till you get the right feel. Got it.
Yes keep it on ...
Not exactly a suspension piece of kit but the Spank vibrocore drops definitely have a "smoothing" quality to them. Maybe worth a look?
I have one seat post suspension and it makes it feel like the bike is made of elastic. It’s really weird. It feels like the bike stretches forward and back.
When I used to ride MTBs I hated the pedal bob on a full susser, I’d be interested to know whether this behaves the same. I sort of feel that you might be better off without this seat post, perhaps some 650B wheels to provide additional comfort. Great video though, and the ‘glovegate’ made me laugh.
Have you tried 50mm+ tires? Maybe only on the front too, so you don't loose too much speed.
Redshift?
Do the old school road trick and double up your bar tape
Suntour makes a nice 1 for 100$. It's a game changer! Try it, you will giggle with happiness every time it compresses.
I'm against too much suspension. I Would go for the seat post from specialised Roubaix.
I used to have suspension seatpost years back but after long ride i stop using it because as the seapost position moves my leg's reach length between my hip and the pedal changed a lot causes not so consistent cadence around the crank when i'm pedalling. Ended up having a bad knee after 5 hours of ride.
I don’t know if you have 650b wheels but you may want to give them a try for added comfort.
I just discovered cycling and touring, dont have much money but looking to get a bike just stuck between gravel or road . not to mention im out of shape still smoking a few cigs which ill quit the day I can get a bike as im not weak minded. may try a race ...as long as there is a respected every 10 feet ill do amazing lol
I think Cannondale were the first off the mark with the Lefty Oliver on the Slate.