I'm currently playing a demon form build w/the small life pool and regen like you mentioned in the start of the video and jesus i thought that one was hard to gear for but this seems next level That being said, the zero mana tec is really really interesting, and I appreciate you sharing it
nice build just adding, you can use support auras (cannibalism, vitality) on purity of fire, that wouldn't reserve extra spirit (which is probably a bug right now)
Sick tech, great video From my testing while playing barrier invocation loop infernalist, energy gained beyond the maximum energy cap on a meta gem is wasted, so that is what im assuming they meant by breakpoints. If a single instance of energy gain gives you more energy than the maximum energy cap, then its a waste. However, this is more relevant to something like barrier invocation infernalist that gains energy at large amounts per proc, while this cast on minion setup gains small amounts of energy rapidly for each fire spirit.
Doth was the guy pioneering the runic inscription cast on ignite build from a couple weeks ago, and he was saying that the "Enemies in your presence resist elemental damage based on their lowest resistance" line on the sacred flame sceptre just straight up does not work. He did some extensive testing on videos to show proof. Not sure if that matters because it's still one of the only sources of spirit that grants more dmg on a weapon anyways. Just wanted to mention.
Was thinking of doing these. Checked the price on trade site Helmet-30div Gloves-80div or 69mirror (theres literally only 2 listed items) Im not touching this lol. What a joke
@bloodyhell5649 will this work with adorned diamond with 50% at least? Will it boost the time-lost sapphire passive gain so I don't have to get the perfect roll on gears
Yeah, the Hellhound ignites. You could link Elemental Focus to it. Immolate also has the "cant ignite" line, but I'm not sure if you are allowed to link it to the Hellhound
idk if im wrong but i saw a video that explains the meta node on the tree called invocated efficiency doesnt work unless u use smthn with invocation in the name so it may be a dead point
Overwhelming Presence doesn't scale ignite damage. Threshold determines how easy it is to ignite an enemy, influencing ignite chance. To scale damage you need ignite/ailment magnitude, which this aura doesn't provide.
Wasn’t there a tech with one of the curses to ignite enemies then it would immediately consume the ignite so you could ignite them again? Would that be better than cast on minion death if you stacked curse size
Since spell have different energy gains / base cast time it get complicated to calculate the break point but the fundamental stay the same. Basically energy gain do not transfer over to the next cast so the increase in energy gain is only relevant if it allow you to proc your cast on X with fewer cast. Example : X meta gem spell require 100 energy to be cast, casting Y spell net you 25 energy With 100% energy gain you need 2 cast of Y to proc X 101% to 299% you will still need 2 cast of Y in order to proc X Effectively making % them useless
Currently a full quadtab of 144 innsmouths deep with trying to hit the 30% corrupt. Not to correct you because idk if your wrong but I'm personally not seeing that 1/44 chance. Gonna keep at tho, to deep to back down now.
@Da5kone001 well in the first iteration of the auto spark build (I really can't remember the creator, I hadn't heard of them before), I think he was running archmage but he only had like 2k mana and was totally limited by his mana consumption. With some tweaks (as he was a self-admitted newbie to poe) I'm sure it would work far better than he had it working and he was able to do t15s already. I'll likely try this with the economy reset if it doesn't get nuked, I could see them potentially making it so that if you have zero mana, it automatically triggers the fire hit on every cast, but it does require alot to get here too so maybe not
@ only 2k mana is insane for a spell like spark where archmages flat 9% gets added to each projectile at base and then multiplied by normal spell calculations.
@@Da5kone001 oh it's definitely not a starter. And it was woolfio that did the auto spark build I looked at. And I actually switched out archmage on my sparchmage to test something when I had around 3k mana. I can't remember what setup I was doing anymore (it wasn't flame wall, I know it was after I switched out of that), but whatever I did, I only had like 10% less damage than with archmage. And that was without changing any gear, only a few passive points and a support or 2
Crazy Nice build. Only thing i wanna say, that the flask build surely needs more investment yes but the statement that you have to watch out for how much you press buttons and stuff is only true if your stats dont match up. My demon has 8k ES 85% fire res and my flask refills 9k ES per second, i can let my finger legit full on rest on my BI without ever going below 6k ES since the flask recovery absolutely takes care of that. Cool build tho 👍
Oh, most casual players is gonna be blocked by the helm and gloves in getting this build. But finally a build utilizing the Necromantic node, very cool build, thanks :D
Yes, and then the infernalist node changes that to max inferno. You no longer pay mana to cast spells, you gain inferno, but since the max is 0, you actually never gain any and thus never trigger the downside.
Im using fireflower, pyromantic pact, and necromantic talisman on skill tree, but I cant trigger the comets from raging spirit with cast on minion death, all raging spirit died but no comet.. what am I missing?
So i will lowkey work towards this, got a head with 29% reduced. Is there any way to get 105% less mana? I have skipped looting soooo many of those gloves 😆
Just a tip for having Blink on your 2nd weapon set. If you put a shield in weapon set 2 and then put Raise Shield on your hotbar you can press Raise Shield and blink immediately while the animation is playing!
@@tonynippolei I tried using a second quarterstaff on my Gemling and it forced me to play the entire animation before I could blink. I think it has something to do with the "Raise Shield" animation that doesn't prevent blink from activating.
@@Palsteron As a non ethical gamer i made a macro for back bar blink after like one day of doing it manually. extra button sucks xD but with cast speed 30%, +3 all wand and crest of audrua shield on back bar blink is so quick and comes back so fast xD. well i did, i just play tempest flurry 15 atks/sec now and zooom xD
Spent a day buying and rolling gloves and helms, got a helm, still trying for the gloves, I’ve made almost 30 chance orbs sharding the failed rolls, I caved and got one of the chests, my damage is decent, comfy in t15s but very squishy without a decent chest. A lot of fun though, I’ve been testing random abilities and combos and it’s a total blast, can’t wait till I get the gloves so I can try and push my citadels and t4s with it. I’ve been super in love with this build since Kys first video on it, but was limited by mana, this perfectly fixes that and I love it. Thank you for the build.
I have bone cage in my 3rd COMD instead of eye of winter.. and its ridiculous as well. but u need astral protection to make it proc at mob instead of proccing on you
I recognize that ingenuity is basically unbeatable at the moment, BUT what about Cowards legacy to turn on pain attunement? % more has been hard to come by, and pain attunement still has it. I just dont see how to make it work outside an infernalist anymore.
I've tried on bloodmage, but it still had very low uptime, even with the 89% or less life corruption I bought. It may have just been a bad fit for the build though.
The odds of getting a perfect 30% reduced Innsmouth and 17% reduced lochtonial should both be 1 in 180. The calculation for vaal orbs is a bit weirder than initially thought. Common sentiment right now is that the number gets multiplied by .78 - 1.22, then rounded. However, this math does not hold up perfectly for reduced modifiers. -15 * 1.22 = -18.3. If this was the case, we would see lochtonials with 18 reduced max mana on the market, but we do not (for a unique that is much more commonly corrupted, look at the reduced light radius on black sun crest). Seems that .5 is first added to the roll, then instead of rounding, the decimal is just chopped off, like we see in every other situation in poe1 and 2. The fact that they are both 1 in 180 seems to just be a weird quirk of the numbers, I am 85% sure my math is correct with the current information we have.
For Blink, i like using Crest of Ardura Jingling Crest Shield(Corrupted), it gives 50+ Cooldown reduction and its on set2, i bind all my skills on set1 and only blink in set2, i quickslot the raise shield in right click so whenever im in trouble i press right click and blink away, i also put the second wind support since if i blink away into a pack of mobs i can blink away again.
I think that after your video somebody built himself a niche with perfectly corrupted pieces.... also buying 50 pieces of 1 ex unique is time consuming xD
This build exist, so GGG will never add another "reduced max mana" item on to the market to make it "more viable". At its current form, even if you've got those crazy corruption results, it's still a pain in the ass that you sacrifice two great gear slots and 30% the passive trees just to make it work.
Dont use fireball with wildshards raging spirits i have a decent p.c i912900k 4070ti and it freezframes my game the carches uo n by that time you are dead
According to POB, if you use a 30% increase effect jewel with medium radius the small nodes will be 7% reduced mana instead of 6%. I assume this will make it so you can use a 29% helm and 16% glove.
Can you explain more why you don’t want to iterate on Barrier Invocation approach to non-Archmage? I think there is still fat on that bone and I want to see what QOL you can get into it. This looks just worse in basically every way unless you really don’t want to press your life flask, but I’m not sure you realize that life flask recover queues on the BI build. I DO understand not wanting to be the help desk for that build though, but this -mana scheme seems like a novelty in comparison to BI.
Minions themselves are relatively smooth to level if you get some gear going. +levels and spirit is all you need and every bit of it makes an impact. Arsonists are good early but are outshined for late levelling by high level reavers. Infernalist fits with the build too and is an easy respec
@@nixedgamingNo.minion is too expensive for new player. Just use spark demon form. You can clear campaign in 10 hours. Just search for life regen and 1 exalt unique helmet
@ Most people play on standard trade, Palsteron included. And this is absolutely a trade build. So by commenting "trade mentality", you're outing yourself as a dumbass.
@ I've farmed out multiple mirrors with different setups between 200 and 500 rarity. For solo map blasting 200-230 rarity feels good. basedcringe is a good name for you, suits you well.
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Always love seeing your unique builds man, thanks for sharing.
You've got the most interesting builds. Ty! I saw your poe1 shockwave tech and was impressed
My fav build so far. Was having fun with minions and been lookin at COMD comet builds for infernalist. This is perfect.
Immolate support stops the dog dying to Fireflower triggers.
Also Meat Shield, Culling strike and Elemental Army make him tanky and gives the build access to cull
This build is really cool, thank you for sharing it! Witch really is my favorite class, so many goofy things like this
I'm currently playing a demon form build w/the small life pool and regen like you mentioned in the start of the video and jesus i thought that one was hard to gear for but this seems next level
That being said, the zero mana tec is really really interesting, and I appreciate you sharing it
nice build
just adding, you can use support auras (cannibalism, vitality) on purity of fire, that wouldn't reserve extra spirit (which is probably a bug right now)
but theres no purity of fire?
@@cxllyn sacred flame (scepter offhand) gives it
@@fccarminati gotcha, mb
Does it work tho, because purity of fire only buffs allies?
the no mana no cost itself is a bug so will be fixed :D
I do this build and I love it, ty bro.
Oh this is the perfect tech I needed for my Overwhelming Presence Adorned spell spammer. It makes all that long pathing worth it.
Sick tech, great video
From my testing while playing barrier invocation loop infernalist, energy gained beyond the maximum energy cap on a meta gem is wasted, so that is what im assuming they meant by breakpoints.
If a single instance of energy gain gives you more energy than the maximum energy cap, then its a waste. However, this is more relevant to something like barrier invocation infernalist that gains energy at large amounts per proc, while this cast on minion setup gains small amounts of energy rapidly for each fire spirit.
Doth was the guy pioneering the runic inscription cast on ignite build from a couple weeks ago, and he was saying that the "Enemies in your presence resist elemental damage based on their lowest resistance" line on the sacred flame sceptre just straight up does not work. He did some extensive testing on videos to show proof. Not sure if that matters because it's still one of the only sources of spirit that grants more dmg on a weapon anyways. Just wanted to mention.
Visual clarity at its prime♥️
Need to wear sunglasses with this one!
My mana problems stopped when I logged off about 4 weeks ago
welcome back!
Was thinking of doing these. Checked the price on trade site
Helmet-30div
Gloves-80div or 69mirror (theres literally only 2 listed items)
Im not touching this lol. What a joke
Dw I made mine with less than 2 div, just boring craft
@bloodyhell5649 will this work with adorned diamond with 50% at least? Will it boost the time-lost sapphire passive gain so I don't have to get the perfect roll on gears
Yeah, the Hellhound ignites. You could link Elemental Focus to it. Immolate also has the "cant ignite" line, but I'm not sure if you are allowed to link it to the Hellhound
idk if im wrong but i saw a video that explains the meta node on the tree called invocated efficiency doesnt work unless u use smthn with invocation in the name so it may be a dead point
You may be able to couple this with the -100% ailment threshold Overwhelming Presence tech for some crazy ignites
Overwhelming Presence doesn't scale ignite damage. Threshold determines how easy it is to ignite an enemy, influencing ignite chance.
To scale damage you need ignite/ailment magnitude, which this aura doesn't provide.
Wasn’t there a tech with one of the curses to ignite enemies then it would immediately consume the ignite so you could ignite them again? Would that be better than cast on minion death if you stacked curse size
Since spell have different energy gains / base cast time it get complicated to calculate the break point but the fundamental stay the same.
Basically energy gain do not transfer over to the next cast so the increase in energy gain is only relevant if it allow you to proc your cast on X with fewer cast.
Example : X meta gem spell require 100 energy to be cast, casting Y spell net you 25 energy
With 100% energy gain you need 2 cast of Y to proc X
101% to 299% you will still need 2 cast of Y in order to proc X Effectively making % them useless
@Palsteron does minion get damaged when I am igniting enemy, or they have to do it themselves?
Can you not use Brutality on the dog so it doesn't ignite and is just around for the damage transfer?
Do you count as either high or low on infernal flame with this setup? Or neither? Great setup btw
Neither
The last line from sacred flame is bugged and doesn't work at the moment. (based on Doth videos about this Sceptre)
Currently a full quadtab of 144 innsmouths deep with trying to hit the 30% corrupt. Not to correct you because idk if your wrong but I'm personally not seeing that 1/44 chance. Gonna keep at tho, to deep to back down now.
the chance meant the exact odds of having 44 lines of corrupt, 1 of them being that 30% corrupt. hence 1/44
@@BNSMOBBER oh I see, so i got mine within reason since the actual odds would be 1/176 without omen and i got mine at ~150
@@e964Sheesh
Should give this a try with the auto spark spark build. Though I'm not sure if would truly compete with sparchmage
Without archmage spark isn’t great in terms of damage
@Da5kone001 well in the first iteration of the auto spark build (I really can't remember the creator, I hadn't heard of them before), I think he was running archmage but he only had like 2k mana and was totally limited by his mana consumption. With some tweaks (as he was a self-admitted newbie to poe) I'm sure it would work far better than he had it working and he was able to do t15s already. I'll likely try this with the economy reset if it doesn't get nuked, I could see them potentially making it so that if you have zero mana, it automatically triggers the fire hit on every cast, but it does require alot to get here too so maybe not
@ only 2k mana is insane for a spell like spark where archmages flat 9% gets added to each projectile at base and then multiplied by normal spell calculations.
@ also getting the necessary unique corrupts in a fresh economy is going to suck, this is not a league starter imo
@@Da5kone001 oh it's definitely not a starter. And it was woolfio that did the auto spark build I looked at. And I actually switched out archmage on my sparchmage to test something when I had around 3k mana. I can't remember what setup I was doing anymore (it wasn't flame wall, I know it was after I switched out of that), but whatever I did, I only had like 10% less damage than with archmage. And that was without changing any gear, only a few passive points and a support or 2
Crazy Nice build. Only thing i wanna say, that the flask build surely needs more investment yes but the statement that you have to watch out for how much you press buttons and stuff is only true if your stats dont match up. My demon has 8k ES 85% fire res and my flask refills 9k ES per second, i can let my finger legit full on rest on my BI without ever going below 6k ES since the flask recovery absolutely takes care of that.
Cool build tho 👍
I copy the build, just lacking boss dmg, how to make it do better with boss?
Oh, most casual players is gonna be blocked by the helm and gloves in getting this build. But finally a build utilizing the Necromantic node, very cool build, thanks :D
very interesting build. made me excited to farm again lol
since its using a bug as a core build premise, it will likely stop working entirely at some point when the bug gets fixed
@@Shajirr_ that's fine
was wondering for a moment why you wouldnt run archmage since it doesnt have a downside anymore xd
Did they fix the bug with taging spirit and firball using wildshards would drop frames to 0 on my 12900k 4070ti build
wait i dont understand its reduced max mana right? not reduced mana cost? (im french did i misunderstood something?)
Yes, and then the infernalist node changes that to max inferno. You no longer pay mana to cast spells, you gain inferno, but since the max is 0, you actually never gain any and thus never trigger the downside.
We need that guy who reaches 100% reduced life.
Im using fireflower, pyromantic pact, and necromantic talisman on skill tree, but I cant trigger the comets from raging spirit with cast on minion death, all raging spirit died but no comet.. what am I missing?
How is this build doing in terms of pinnacle bosses offensively and defensively?
surely this isnt a bug and wont get fixed next patch right? (Together with warrior nerfs)
So i will lowkey work towards this, got a head with 29% reduced. Is there any way to get 105% less mana?
I have skipped looting soooo many of those gloves 😆
Just a tip for having Blink on your 2nd weapon set. If you put a shield in weapon set 2 and then put Raise Shield on your hotbar you can press Raise Shield and blink immediately while the animation is playing!
still adds a button unfortunately, but yeah that would be the non-lazy version
Can't you use any weapon for the same effect?
@@tonynippolei I tried using a second quarterstaff on my Gemling and it forced me to play the entire animation before I could blink. I think it has something to do with the "Raise Shield" animation that doesn't prevent blink from activating.
@@Palsteron As a non ethical gamer i made a macro for back bar blink after like one day of doing it manually. extra button sucks xD but with cast speed 30%, +3 all wand and crest of audrua shield on back bar blink is so quick and comes back so fast xD. well i did, i just play tempest flurry 15 atks/sec now and zooom xD
@@callsign_cloudy just do a regular quarterstaff attack. It's 100% cancellable with blink
Sacred flames ignore res mechanic doesn’t work unless they finally fixed it
If my math is right (and pob) than if you use a 30% timelost you can get away with a 29 innsmouth
if they round up, then you would need 2 less, but if they round down - it doesn't make any difference. Each node is calculated separately.
i thought it was reduced mana cost and was puzzled why he still need to get pyromantic pact.... alas it was reduced max mana!.. nice tech indeed
Spent a day buying and rolling gloves and helms, got a helm, still trying for the gloves, I’ve made almost 30 chance orbs sharding the failed rolls, I caved and got one of the chests, my damage is decent, comfy in t15s but very squishy without a decent chest. A lot of fun though, I’ve been testing random abilities and combos and it’s a total blast, can’t wait till I get the gloves so I can try and push my citadels and t4s with it. I’ve been super in love with this build since Kys first video on it, but was limited by mana, this perfectly fixes that and I love it. Thank you for the build.
Imo - even with the right chest it's still really squishy. ST is pretty low too, so I disadvice +stun buildup waystones...
I have bone cage in my 3rd COMD instead of eye of winter.. and its ridiculous as well. but u need astral protection to make it proc at mob instead of proccing on you
what supports for the bone cage? Asking for a friend...
@@mateuszkochanowicz6451 leverage/astral projection/magnified effect and physical mastery if you have the link
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Visual clarity -100%.
Man I didn't excepted this type of game when GGG was talking about this game.
I recognize that ingenuity is basically unbeatable at the moment, BUT what about Cowards legacy to turn on pain attunement? % more has been hard to come by, and pain attunement still has it. I just dont see how to make it work outside an infernalist anymore.
With perfect boots/body armour you could get enough res to make this work, allthough you'd also lose like 50% rarity
It can work on a few blood mage builds
I've tried on bloodmage, but it still had very low uptime, even with the 89% or less life corruption I bought. It may have just been a bad fit for the build though.
@teeth-h2c it can work on bonestorm since you can make sure you trigger on bosses. I use it on my burden of shadows build but that's super niche
Next up on the chopping block!
Is this doable SSF or should I not bother at all?
Don't bother at all. You need very spesific corruptions and exact values for those corruption in order this build to work.
I was really wanting to build this but ill be honest....Idk if my laptop can handle that
The odds of getting a perfect 30% reduced Innsmouth and 17% reduced lochtonial should both be 1 in 180.
The calculation for vaal orbs is a bit weirder than initially thought. Common sentiment right now is that the number gets multiplied by .78 - 1.22, then rounded. However, this math does not hold up perfectly for reduced modifiers. -15 * 1.22 = -18.3. If this was the case, we would see lochtonials with 18 reduced max mana on the market, but we do not (for a unique that is much more commonly corrupted, look at the reduced light radius on black sun crest). Seems that .5 is first added to the roll, then instead of rounding, the decimal is just chopped off, like we see in every other situation in poe1 and 2.
The fact that they are both 1 in 180 seems to just be a weird quirk of the numbers, I am 85% sure my math is correct with the current information we have.
ok, but is vaal divining the item before applying the magnitude? I corrupted 15 red mana gloves to 9...
I really like your lazyman play style lol I'm not kidding. One button all day
how can you not instantly get tired of this animation overload? i was hoping for improvements towards screen clutter in POE2 but it got worse. :D
If you're used to poe1 builds, this is pretty tame
For Blink, i like using Crest of Ardura
Jingling Crest Shield(Corrupted), it gives 50+ Cooldown reduction and its on set2, i bind all my skills on set1 and only blink in set2, i quickslot the raise shield in right click so whenever im in trouble i press right click and blink away, i also put the second wind support since if i blink away into a pack of mobs i can blink away again.
Would love this build if you can somehow make it work on demon form but i think its gonna be impossible with gear
Yes that is the tech, it's nothing new - still adds an extra button press before you can actually blink though.
@@Daccuranot if you macro it
I think you can just put Brutality on Hellhound to avoid taking damage.
Could Stormweaver work properly too?
No, because you need "Pyromantic Pact" ascendency point to cast skills with 0 mana
@@karlo84 Thank you!
I think that after your video somebody built himself a niche with perfectly corrupted pieces.... also buying 50 pieces of 1 ex unique is time consuming xD
Visual Clarity? Yes
This build exist, so GGG will never add another "reduced max mana" item on to the market to make it "more viable". At its current form, even if you've got those crazy corruption results, it's still a pain in the ass that you sacrifice two great gear slots and 30% the passive trees just to make it work.
Dont use fireball with wildshards raging spirits i have a decent p.c i912900k 4070ti and it freezframes my game the carches uo n by that time you are dead
isit possible for 29 and 18 or 18 is not possible
17 is highest
According to POB, if you use a 30% increase effect jewel with medium radius the small nodes will be 7% reduced mana instead of 6%. I assume this will make it so you can use a 29% helm and 16% glove.
@@filthycasual5197 doesn't work ingame
@@Palsteron Does the large radius reach the third small passive node before Brute Strength?
@@chronoschord it doesnt, just tried it
dude i just did mine helm i got 28% and the gloves 16% how flipping unlucky hahahaha
Can you explain more why you don’t want to iterate on Barrier Invocation approach to non-Archmage? I think there is still fat on that bone and I want to see what QOL you can get into it.
This looks just worse in basically every way unless you really don’t want to press your life flask, but I’m not sure you realize that life flask recover queues on the BI build. I DO understand not wanting to be the help desk for that build though, but this -mana scheme seems like a novelty in comparison to BI.
Do you have any build that will provide smooth leveling with infernalist?
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Minions themselves are relatively smooth to level if you get some gear going. +levels and spirit is all you need and every bit of it makes an impact. Arsonists are good early but are outshined for late levelling by high level reavers. Infernalist fits with the build too and is an easy respec
@@nixedgamingNo.minion is too expensive for new player. Just use spark demon form. You can clear campaign in 10 hours. Just search for life regen and 1 exalt unique helmet
POE1 died for this
These build just look likef15 fps trash why would I ever want to play this
GGG hates the manaless archetype, they removed it in POE1 for manaless aurastackers.
Do not build this as it will get removed.
What sucks is that this looks like a really cool build, but I wouldn't touch it since I can't get 200+% rarity on it.
You can get like 140% with rings+ ingenuity, currently got like 100
You don't even know MF breakpoints
Ah yes, the ultimate standard of a good build. Gotta love the Standard Trade mentality lol
@ Most people play on standard trade, Palsteron included. And this is absolutely a trade build. So by commenting "trade mentality", you're outing yourself as a dumbass.
@ I've farmed out multiple mirrors with different setups between 200 and 500 rarity. For solo map blasting 200-230 rarity feels good. basedcringe is a good name for you, suits you well.
Actively ruining the game every time a fireball comet spammer joins party, thanks
This game sucks now so easy and boring.