This guy seems to project that he's too smart in calculating water pressures yet he posted those diagrams portraying DIFFERENT VOLUMES of water as having the same pressures????? $#&^%@@$$#....besides he doesn't even know the difference between FOOT and FEET... i bet you better check your numbers before showing it to the whole internet world smart guy....
First, "this guy" is right here, second, I COULD delete your comment, and third, instead, I'm pinning it as the epitome of ignorance. By the way, when is your first upload? EVER? 10-25-2020 "This channel has no videos."
Actually, the POINT of those pictures was to illustrate that volume has no effect on the pressure. The pressure at the bottom of a half inch tube is the same as the bottom of a lake if the height of the water above the gauge is the same. Don't you wish you had phrased your ignorance a little more politely?
I would also like to point out that the proper term is "a 4-foot head" just like you would say you are going on a "20-mile trip." You wouldn't say you were going in a "20-miles trip." So, his terminology in reference to the hydro static head is correct. In this sentence, the term "4-foot" is NOT a noun, it is an adjective describing the "head" which is the subject. Therefore its conjugation should be singular since it is describing a singular noun. So, along with your engineering lesson, enjoy your English lesson.
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork The f***ing nerve of some know it all to criticize (and not constructively) your video after all the effort you had to have put into it. I don't expect everything I read or watch to be perfect, and your videos, this one especially, are an absolute treasure trove of information for those of us who are trying to learn. That troll should be ashamed.
Thank you for this video. Thank you for taking so much time to explain everything in so much detail. I’m now going to run some numbers and see how I can do this. I have 30’ of fall and I want to go up 300ft. Over a distance of 2000 lf. I need to figure this out before I get started. I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch a 1hr+ video at first. Sure glad I did!
Great video! It covers many of the details of design and construction. Attention is needed in order to obtain proper function. The pump I tossed together prior to finding FSN videos is a follows. I used 1.25" pvc and some abs pipe and fittings. My drive pipe is 1.25" pvc @ 20' long utilizing a siphon over my dam with a fall of approx 7 foot. I used a reducing tee and put a 1" swing check for the waste valve. The supply outlet of the goes into a 1.25" line check, it's output into a 1.5" abs sweep ell into a second pvc tee into a 4" abs pressure chamber 4' long. Empty liter bottle for air buffer inside. My supply line is 1.25" pvc for 80' then reduced to 1" for a total of about 450'. Initially I was not able to get the pump to run unless I really closed down my outlet valve until I added another 20' pipe sticking strait up at the end of the line to add more fall to the pump. The system runs like this but just barely. It will go several hours then stop. I have been reading ..... alot! I plan two modifications. First, replace my drive pipe with 40' of steel 1.5" pipe, second a 2" waste or impetus valve, poppet style. FSN, I found this paper dealing with waste valve optimization (quite helpful!) www.researchgate.net/publication/346407019_Structural_design_and_parameter_optimization_on_a_waste_valve_for_hydraulic_ram_pumps. I am fashioning my new waste valve close to the design they propose. What still needs done is how to "tune" the waste valve. Weight vs stroke. Understanding that there are two different goals. One, max pressure and drive height. Second max volume. In my case I am shooting for volume.
Thanks for sharing all this excellent feedback info! Let us know how the upgrades go! That link on valve design is awesome by the way! in the direction for my next project... looking forward to digging into the details!
Really cool. I like the instructions with technical explanation. I am not building one yet as I don't have a place to put one. But anyway, your presentation is scientific. Thank you for sharing such know-how.
fantastic video, one of the best demonstration and explanation video's on Ram pumps i have watched. Really hope you get the views, something like this takes a long time to edit and put together. Hats of to you buddy.
Appreciate you doing this video, and many many thanks! It was about 8 to 10 yrs ago I was doing some research on them in hopes of building one for a homestead......life sure does theoq some screwed up screwballs sometimes.....anyhow...... came across your video and you definitely did a heck of a good job at explaining everything along with pointing out a lot of good tips to keep in mind when building. Once again, Thank you for your time and knowledge, it is very appreciated.
Lots of great comments and insights on your system. I am getting ready to build a system on a creek that "disappears" in summer but comes out lower down the hill. I really like your standpipe design, it is the best i have seen and your thoughts on the valves are helpful too.
Hello, sir. I appreciate the informative and relevant content in your videos, particularly since I am currently working on a thesis study about ram pumps. Could you share any insights you have on the minimum required water velocity when constructing a ram pump? Thank you
Can you do a problem solve if I give you the stats to my hammer pump system? I have only 1gal every 20 minutes on the output flow. (Dribble). Input flow is 12 gal/min. 35’ length 1” intake pipe, 3’drop in elevation from source to pump. Pump taps ever 5 sec. delivery hose is 3/4”. Elevation rise 75’. Id like to send photo of pump. I know you must get questions like this all the time but for me to use all the data you give will take me a while to digest the info. Im thinking I may need to drop my pump a foot in elevation.
I can, but can you share a video so I can better visualize what you are working with? On the math: .6 x q x F/E = d Q = input flow F = fall E = elevation .6 x 12 = 7.2 * 3 / 75 = .04 = D 7.2 x .04 = .288 GPM (.288 Gallons per minute) The above calculation is based on ideal conditions. 3 foot drive fall is considered minimum for a ram.
Thanks. Id like to send a videoI and photo but don’t see an option to attach. Ill do the formula and did see the chart with 1m fall w 15m lift not even on the chart. We are going to drop the pump to 5’ fall.
You're welcome! Yeah, you'd have to upload to your channel and then send a link. Yeah.. get as much fall as you can to the pump that is the MOST important factor in yielded water on output. If you can get 10 or 20 feet, do it. I only have 6.5 here without running 100's of feet of pipe or excavating 100's of feet of trench. I DREAM of 20 foot of fall! lol
Excellent discussion my friend! Your real-world experience really adds to the usefulness of the info.I will certainly be keeping a link in case I find an excuse to build one myself. And I hope you are having a good birthday!
That's really cool man I like the way you explained it I need to put a ram pump in at the ranch I live at cuz there's no electricity where I live but simple explanation would be good I want to put an inch-and-a-half Ram pump in and that's what I want to do have a little over a hundred feet for my drive pipe about a 10 foot fall
This is the third vid I have seen on this subject, all very interesting. There are variations between people, but I think I may have come up with some fine tuning! The air chamber in most of the setups, have a 26" bicycle tube fitted, well why don't we drill a hole in the side of the air chamber and put the tyre valve out though the side, so that you can alter the internal pressure without pulling the whole thing apart??? Have a great day.
It's something I considered as well, but after realizing how much wear and tear that pressure chamber is under, I think it would leak pretty quickly... If you try it and it works let us know! cheers!
Not if you put the valve at the top of the compresion chamber! Because all the tube will be below it to protect the valve. Its a no brainer. Also the bigger the chamber, the more room there would be to absorb the shock! I would put money on it.
Is it possible to be able to download that info (booklet) you are working from, so I could refer back to a hard copy. Great video you've done, very informative. Thankyou
You mentioned that the 'foot check valve' was superior to the swing check valve and said you would link to that in the description. Although you linked many references, I don't see it. I was wondering if you could tell me about various versions of 'foot' check valves, why you picked the one you did, and a reference (or link) to a supplier. Great video, I had previously seen the Clemson paper, but your reading it did alert me to a couple of things I might not have emphasized. Thanks. Edit: I have google 'foot check valve' and see many, but none look like yours. I'm sure this is due to the 'cover' on the valve picture, but surely there must be some that are more suitable than others. Thanks again.
One of my other videos I had this same question.. Can't seem to find that comment now though... Just a brass or stainless foot valve of the size you need for your pump will work just fine. Let me see if I can find a video with a little more detail.. ruclips.net/video/grBdwsrsOA8/видео.html ruclips.net/video/KXdtPaMTPDI/видео.html ruclips.net/video/vrOgObZ0wos/видео.html See also my playlist on ram pumps and water delivery: ruclips.net/video/tn8ZzEDt7p0/видео.html I hope this helps.
Hi. Thanks for the detailed info. My pump is now installed (1 1/4") with 30' of 1 1/2" pvc and 30' of 1 1/4" pvc and about 7' of head. Pipes are secured to the creek bed with 2 hole straps using concrete anchors. I desire to pump 300' uphill with 22' of elevation difference. I am using 1/2" PEX and no stand pipe, ...yet. My pump is cycling too fast I think. Possibly at the rate of almost 2x per second. (5 times in 3 seconds) I am only seeing a trickle at 15' elevation so far. I should also mention I am using about 1' of syphon to pull the water up out of a depression in the creek bed. Anyone have suggestions for slowing my pumping action?
Very Good Info I have found it is a matter of getting a good Cawush to get a good clank cycle . Do you see any benefit or loss from having a 25 gal. accumulator ?
Thanks! yes, that cycle and stroke is so important! No, I didn't find any gain from the larger pressure chambers I tired so I went back to the smaller one and am leaving it for now. I want to upgrade to steel drive pipe eventually, but it is expensive. An upgrade for another season.
Do you know what will be the effect of the ram pump system if we only make the total length around 5 meters? You can just assume from the start, to the drive pipes, to the ram pump, to the certain head level, is just 5 meters. Do you think it's gonna be efficient in terms of the pressure and velocity, and also for its cost analysis? Coz a 120 dollars is fair for a longer system, but for a shorter one, I think its not.
there is a river close to our farm thinking of using a ram pump to get water from river to the farm it about 300ft witha bit of incline wats your recommendations
Hey man, thanks for the video, lots of good info. I have been running a homemade ram on my property for a couple years now, and have learned a lot on my own and gone through a lot of trial and error. I have a question and wanted to see what your opinion is. First of all, I have the ability to adjust the impetuous valve and choose how fast or slow the ram runs. (How much water it uses) I am in the middle of building a water tower on the top of my hill and wanted to see what you thought about something. I have 15 feet of head pressure for ram, (10 foot standpipe and 5 foot drop in drive to pump) I have about 8 to 10 gallons a minute in water. Water tower will be 105 feet above pump. That is pretty much maxing out the capability of pumping elevation at a 1:7 ratio. Would it be better to run a 1 inch ram adjusted to run about 8 gpm or a 1 1/4 inch ram adjusted to run 8gpm? The 1 inch would run slower and 1 1/4 inch would run faster but both would have same head pressure and use same amount of water. Is there anyway to determine which will pump more water or pump higher? Or would they be essentially the same because it's the same head and same water volume running through pump? Hopefully that makes sense and hopefully you can point me in the right direction
I would expect the larger pump to perform slightly better efficiency wise... It gives a little more "hammer" weight in the pipe size and theoretically will impart more energy. cheers!
Will an oversized delivery pipe cause less pressure? My pump is all 1 1/4 galvanized. It works at 12 psi and delivery side valve shut it builds up to 20. My delivery pipe going from pump to up hill to house is 1". If it was 3/4 or 1/2 I'm assuming the pressure would be higher
well that was a clear as mud . hers what I'm traying to do . & you can comment on the thinking . I had this idea it is this. to tack water flow & push that water into a header tank which is elevated . lets say a 6000 gallon tank As the limit of the first lift possible 16 feet . then to repumps that water up to it limit of such lets say to a second tank of 24,000 gallons At 50 feet above the first tank . so the final lift will be to 100foot above the first lift now holding 100,000galons of water . The Target to riles that 100'000 gallons to drive a micro turbine By releasing it down a 4" pipe At ( 45 To 60) PSI emptying into a hooding tank sufficient to holding the 100'000 gallons of water tank having past into a 1" pipe to drive a micros hydro turbine to charge a battery bank . wy a rem pump self powered the point is to slowly rise the water to the required Hight & achieving it in stages using the head achieved at each stage, to power a bigger ram pump. as we sift the stored water at evry sage. given you now have my plan can it be achieved in closing the end choice will be to push the ram - pumps to pus that water back up to the heist point Rinse & Repeat, Pints to develop The largest pump to achieve it final size .
Would you be able to advise me on sizing my ram pump please? I'm living in an off grid location around what I've calculated is 20m (65ft, similar to yours in the video) vertically above a freshwater spring with ample flow. So I'm hoping to ram the water the 250m distance to my accomodation. I only need a small volume 50-100 litres per day delivered. The question really is more about the vertical height I need to drive it. What size ram pump, drive and delivery pipe would be recommended for this situation. To throw a curve ball into the mix, a friend of mine decided to go and order me a complete 1/2 inch ramp pump from a RUclips seller, so I have one in hand. Can I make this size work do you think and if so what size pipe to drive and deliver? Cheers John
It's hard to say without knowing the flow you have and the delivery elevation... but I included the link in the description of this video (Clemson EDU) which has charts, formulas etc... Have a look at that and see if it helps... If you still need help hit me up and I'll walk you through it. Thanks for watching and let me know how you make out.cheers!
Well as.a.newcomer to all this "new" technology ( to me anyway), and I am still baffled by the whole deal. My question is , I have a flowing creek , never dries out, and where I can use the water is the issue it is 2-300 feet above the creek. Is it practical to think this system would work , not so much for an extraordinary amount of water but let's go with 200 gallons a week. Or am I expecting too much . Any response would be appreciated
You're welcome.. This is the link I'm referring too. I was on my phone for the first response... a bit awkward. On my comp now: www.slideshare.net/Fatin62c/homemade-hydraulic-ram-pump-clemson-university You need to know the drop from source to where you would place the pump, as well as the rise to the delivery location (both in vertical feet). Then calculations can be made on whether or not a ram pump will work there. cheers!
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork Well there is -0- drop from where the pump can be located . The creek flows 365. But is relatively...flat...so with that said I am guessing I cannot move water uphill 300 ( + - ) feet.
your right buddy...this "farmacy seeds network" guy seems to show he's too smart in calculations in this video yet claims its only about how to build a ram pump but he is obviously deviating from the point of the question thrown at him.....maybe after all he just does not know what he is talking about....just thinkin'
@@odyromero7233 Did you just climb out of a pickle jar? Cuz you seem awfully salty! Do you have an actual question? Show us some calculations if you're so smart. I'm just sharing knowledge with people and here you are twisting my words. I'm enjoying the show though. :popcorn:
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork simply you made a u shape. 10 meters tall structure and on the other end use a stock of water which act as pressure valve and your work become automatically lesser Since water draw out water from lower point to upper point due to its own weight
Thank you for this extensive video - I am working my way through it and have already found at 54:17 in the video that doubling the lift, only decreased the volume by half. Interesting that this is different than how I interpret the Williamson Pumps chart, where doubling the lift results in 1/4 the volume (I may interpreted incorrectly.) I've started a discussion about the Farmacy Seeds Network, linking back to the Farmacy Seed Network Ram Pumps youtube playlist: facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/permalink/535933110374514/
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork Pump owners have a variety of objectives. In my case, I'm interested in irrigating 3 acres, where volume and cost is important - I would love to interact with others with irrigation by means of water powered pumps. Just confirming - I think your data supports that within some range of elevations that doubling the lift height cuts the volume in half? Am I miss understanding the Williamson chart (scroll down from the linked page) that I think indicates doubling the lift results in 1/4 the volume : www.williamsonrampump.co.nz/index.php/pumping-capacity
@@davebean2886 I can't speak for the Williamson pumps although they should be somewhere in the range.. and probably on the higher end of efficiency due to steel drive pipes and pumps - less flex. Volume delivered VERY much relates to fall to the pump vs delivered height ratio. I found the formula is pretty accurate that I put in the above video: .6 X Q X F/E =D This Clemson link is invaluable for calculations: www.slideshare.net/Fatin62c/homemade-hydraulic-ram-pump-clemson-university
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork Yes, it does seem like special delivery methods are called for. The water supplied using ditches is frequently measured in Cubic Feet Per Second (CPS), while output from water wheel pumps and ram pumps are frequently measured in a few gallons per minute (1 Cubic Feet per Second is almost 450 gallons per minute). However, let's be fair - much of the water placed in an unlined ditch, never makes it to the irrigation destination. Once at the irrigation destination, flood irrigation is inefficient and may require much manual attention. On the other hand, for the same benefit, drip and low volume sprinklers use less water for the same benefit. I'm not sure of a ratio (making this up) - maybe 100 times the benefit for a gallon delivered - not sure, but when costing a system, this is important.
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This guy seems to project that he's too smart in calculating water pressures yet he posted those diagrams portraying DIFFERENT VOLUMES of water as having the same pressures????? $#&^%@@$$#....besides he doesn't even know the difference between FOOT and FEET... i bet you better check your numbers before showing it to the whole internet world smart guy....
First, "this guy" is right here, second, I COULD delete your comment, and third, instead, I'm pinning it as the epitome of ignorance. By the way, when is your first upload? EVER? 10-25-2020 "This channel has no videos."
Actually, the POINT of those pictures was to illustrate that volume has no effect on the pressure. The pressure at the bottom of a half inch tube is the same as the bottom of a lake if the height of the water above the gauge is the same. Don't you wish you had phrased your ignorance a little more politely?
I would also like to point out that the proper term is "a 4-foot head" just like you would say you are going on a "20-mile trip." You wouldn't say you were going in a "20-miles trip." So, his terminology in reference to the hydro static head is correct. In this sentence, the term "4-foot" is NOT a noun, it is an adjective describing the "head" which is the subject. Therefore its conjugation should be singular since it is describing a singular noun.
So, along with your engineering lesson, enjoy your English lesson.
@@kirbyspencer538 @John H Thanks.. This gave me a good chuckle!
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork The f***ing nerve of some know it all to criticize (and not constructively) your video after all the effort you had to have put into it. I don't expect everything I read or watch to be perfect, and your videos, this one especially, are an absolute treasure trove of information for those of us who are trying to learn. That troll should be ashamed.
Im a mechanical engineer mate, and I really enjoyed your work and video, good on you mate. Brilliant absolutely top notch
Thanks so much man! I'm really glad you liked it!
Thank you for this video. Thank you for taking so much time to explain everything in so much detail. I’m now going to run some numbers and see how I can do this. I have 30’ of fall and I want to go up 300ft. Over a distance of 2000 lf. I need to figure this out before I get started.
I wasn’t sure I wanted to watch a 1hr+ video at first. Sure glad I did!
You are so welcome! Thanks for the kind words! Let us know how you do!
At a glance, should be possible... might not deliver a lot of water.. but will get water there I think just based on your numbers.
so have you managed, ı wonder
Great video! It covers many of the details of design and construction. Attention is needed in order to obtain proper function. The pump I tossed together prior to finding FSN videos is a follows. I used 1.25" pvc and some abs pipe and fittings. My drive pipe is 1.25" pvc @ 20' long utilizing a siphon over my dam with a fall of approx 7 foot. I used a reducing tee and put a 1" swing check for the waste valve. The supply outlet of the goes into a 1.25" line check, it's output into a 1.5" abs sweep ell into a second pvc tee into a 4" abs pressure chamber 4' long. Empty liter bottle for air buffer inside. My supply line is 1.25" pvc for 80' then reduced to 1" for a total of about 450'. Initially I was not able to get the pump to run unless I really closed down my outlet valve until I added another 20' pipe sticking strait up at the end of the line to add more fall to the pump. The system runs like this but just barely. It will go several hours then stop. I have been reading ..... alot! I plan two modifications. First, replace my drive pipe with 40' of steel 1.5" pipe, second a 2" waste or impetus valve, poppet style. FSN, I found this paper dealing with waste valve optimization (quite helpful!) www.researchgate.net/publication/346407019_Structural_design_and_parameter_optimization_on_a_waste_valve_for_hydraulic_ram_pumps. I am fashioning my new waste valve close to the design they propose. What still needs done is how to "tune" the waste valve. Weight vs stroke. Understanding that there are two different goals. One, max pressure and drive height. Second max volume. In my case I am shooting for volume.
Thanks for sharing all this excellent feedback info! Let us know how the upgrades go! That link on valve design is awesome by the way! in the direction for my next project... looking forward to digging into the details!
Another great video on ram pumps , I don't comment on many videos but I thought this one warrants a pat on the back
Thanks so much! This one definitely took some effort to make! :)
Thank you for the whole picture approach to the system
You're very welcome!
Thanks for sharing. Very informative. This vlog deserves a million views. just saying.
Thanks for the kind words... and for watching!
Menggugah kegelisahan...
Terima kasih.😊
Excellent video.
Thanks!
Really cool. I like the instructions with technical explanation. I am not building one yet as I don't have a place to put one. But anyway, your presentation is scientific. Thank you for sharing such know-how.
Well thank you so much I really appreciate it! I hope you get to build one someday it's a lot of fun! Thanks for watching!
fantastic video, one of the best demonstration and explanation video's on Ram pumps i have watched. Really hope you get the views, something like this takes a long time to edit and put together. Hats of to you buddy.
Hey thanks my friend! Yes it was a lot of editing and focus to try and deliver a smooth in-depth explanation. Thanks!
Appreciate you doing this video, and many many thanks!
It was about 8 to 10 yrs ago I was doing some research on them in hopes of building one for a homestead......life sure does theoq some screwed up screwballs sometimes.....anyhow...... came across your video and you definitely did a heck of a good job at explaining everything along with pointing out a lot of good tips to keep in mind when building.
Once again, Thank you for your time and knowledge, it is very appreciated.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the kind words! cheers!
Lots of great comments and insights on your system. I am getting ready to build a system on a creek that "disappears" in summer but comes out lower down the hill. I really like your standpipe design, it is the best i have seen and your thoughts on the valves are helpful too.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the nice compliments!
Hello, sir. I appreciate the informative and relevant content in your videos, particularly since I am currently working on a thesis study about ram pumps. Could you share any insights you have on the minimum required water velocity when constructing a ram pump? Thank you
Wow! Excellent teaching methods on your execution of information.
Thanks for the kind words! I really tried to get this whole video shorter, but it's a lot info and detail. Hope it helps someone! cheers!
Can you do a problem solve if I give you the stats to my hammer pump system? I have only 1gal every 20 minutes on the output flow. (Dribble). Input flow is 12 gal/min. 35’ length 1” intake pipe, 3’drop in elevation from source to pump. Pump taps ever 5 sec. delivery hose is 3/4”. Elevation rise 75’. Id like to send photo of pump. I know you must get questions like this all the time but for me to use all the data you give will take me a while to digest the info. Im thinking I may need to drop my pump a foot in elevation.
I can, but can you share a video so I can better visualize what you are working with?
On the math:
.6 x q x F/E = d
Q = input flow
F = fall
E = elevation
.6 x 12 = 7.2 * 3 / 75 = .04 = D
7.2 x .04 = .288 GPM (.288 Gallons per minute)
The above calculation is based on ideal conditions. 3 foot drive fall is considered minimum for a ram.
Thanks. Id like to send a videoI and photo but don’t see an option to attach.
Ill do the formula and did see the chart with 1m fall w 15m lift not even on the chart. We are going to drop the pump to 5’ fall.
You're welcome! Yeah, you'd have to upload to your channel and then send a link. Yeah.. get as much fall as you can to the pump that is the MOST important factor in yielded water on output. If you can get 10 or 20 feet, do it. I only have 6.5 here without running 100's of feet of pipe or excavating 100's of feet of trench. I DREAM of 20 foot of fall! lol
Great video...I'm learning as I go with my ram pump and you answered so many questions and provided many good suggestions. ..thanks
Thanks so much for the kind words! I'm glad I could help!
im going to build one, using your video as guide
Glad to hear it! Hope you will share it with us!
Excellent discussion my friend! Your real-world experience really adds to the usefulness of the info.I will certainly be keeping a link in case I find an excuse to build one myself.
And I hope you are having a good birthday!
Thanks my friend! They are a fun build and really cool to see functioning day in and day out! Thanks on the bday wishes!
That's really cool man I like the way you explained it I need to put a ram pump in at the ranch I live at cuz there's no electricity where I live but simple explanation would be good I want to put an inch-and-a-half Ram pump in and that's what I want to do have a little over a hundred feet for my drive pipe about a 10 foot fall
Awesome! Let me know how you make out!
this is a cool system!
Thank you so much! Thanks for watching!
Great video. Thanks
You are welcome! Thanks for watching!
This is the third vid I have seen on this subject, all very interesting. There are variations between people, but I think I may have come up with
some fine tuning! The air chamber in most of the setups, have a 26" bicycle tube fitted, well why don't we drill a hole in the side of the air chamber and
put the tyre valve out though the side, so that you can alter the internal pressure without pulling the whole thing apart???
Have a great day.
It's something I considered as well, but after realizing how much wear and tear that pressure chamber is under, I think it would leak pretty quickly... If you try it and it works let us know! cheers!
Not if you put the valve at the top of the compresion chamber!
Because all the tube will be below it to protect the valve.
Its a no brainer. Also the bigger the chamber, the more room there would be to absorb the shock! I would put money on it.
Is it possible to be able to download that info (booklet) you are working from, so I could refer back to a hard copy.
Great video you've done, very informative.
Thankyou
Yes, see the Link in the description. You're welcome and thanks for watching!
You mentioned that the 'foot check valve' was superior to the swing check valve and said you would link to that in the description. Although you linked many references, I don't see it. I was wondering if you could tell me about various versions of 'foot' check valves, why you picked the one you did, and a reference (or link) to a supplier. Great video, I had previously seen the Clemson paper, but your reading it did alert me to a couple of things I might not have emphasized. Thanks. Edit: I have google 'foot check valve' and see many, but none look like yours. I'm sure this is due to the 'cover' on the valve picture, but surely there must be some that are more suitable than others. Thanks again.
One of my other videos I had this same question.. Can't seem to find that comment now though... Just a brass or stainless foot valve of the size you need for your pump will work just fine. Let me see if I can find a video with a little more detail..
ruclips.net/video/grBdwsrsOA8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/KXdtPaMTPDI/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vrOgObZ0wos/видео.html
See also my playlist on ram pumps and water delivery:
ruclips.net/video/tn8ZzEDt7p0/видео.html
I hope this helps.
Hi. Thanks for the detailed info. My pump is now installed (1 1/4") with 30' of 1 1/2" pvc and 30' of 1 1/4" pvc and about 7' of head. Pipes are secured to the creek bed with 2 hole straps using concrete anchors. I desire to pump 300' uphill with 22' of elevation difference. I am using 1/2" PEX and no stand pipe, ...yet. My pump is cycling too fast I think. Possibly at the rate of almost 2x per second. (5 times in 3 seconds) I am only seeing a trickle at 15' elevation so far.
I should also mention I am using about 1' of syphon to pull the water up out of a depression in the creek bed. Anyone have suggestions for slowing my pumping action?
Check this video out, then let me know if you still have questions. Sounds like a nice setup! ruclips.net/video/O2reJH4Bfqg/видео.html
cycling too fast prob still have air in the line or are taking air on into the supply pipe.
Very Good Info
I have found it is a matter of getting a good Cawush to get a good clank cycle .
Do you see any benefit or loss from having a 25 gal. accumulator ?
Thanks!
yes, that cycle and stroke is so important!
No, I didn't find any gain from the larger pressure chambers I tired so I went back to the smaller one and am leaving it for now. I want to upgrade to steel drive pipe eventually, but it is expensive. An upgrade for another season.
Thanks for the info. on the accumalator .
Great work
Do you know what will be the effect of the ram pump system if we only make the total length around 5 meters? You can just assume from the start, to the drive pipes, to the ram pump, to the certain head level, is just 5 meters. Do you think it's gonna be efficient in terms of the pressure and velocity, and also for its cost analysis? Coz a 120 dollars is fair for a longer system, but for a shorter one, I think its not.
5 meters is over 15 feet.... sounds like good operating pressure.. but you will NEED to do the math provided to be sure.
How much height can ram pump lift water to receive tank ?
depends on the water volume and drop that it's coming from... I cover it ALL in the video.
there is a river close to our farm thinking of using a ram pump to get water from river to the farm it about 300ft witha bit of incline wats your recommendations
I need a bit more info.
Hey man, thanks for the video, lots of good info. I have been running a homemade ram on my property for a couple years now, and have learned a lot on my own and gone through a lot of trial and error. I have a question and wanted to see what your opinion is.
First of all, I have the ability to adjust the impetuous valve and choose how fast or slow the ram runs. (How much water it uses)
I am in the middle of building a water tower on the top of my hill and wanted to see what you thought about something.
I have 15 feet of head pressure for ram, (10 foot standpipe and 5 foot drop in drive to pump) I have about 8 to 10 gallons a minute in water. Water tower will be 105 feet above pump. That is pretty much maxing out the capability of pumping elevation at a 1:7 ratio. Would it be better to run a 1 inch ram adjusted to run about 8 gpm or a 1 1/4 inch ram adjusted to run 8gpm?
The 1 inch would run slower and 1 1/4 inch would run faster but both would have same head pressure and use same amount of water. Is there anyway to determine which will pump more water or pump higher? Or would they be essentially the same because it's the same head and same water volume running through pump? Hopefully that makes sense and hopefully you can point me in the right direction
I would expect the larger pump to perform slightly better efficiency wise... It gives a little more "hammer" weight in the pipe size and theoretically will impart more energy. cheers!
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork thanks for the input! That's the size I already have set up so I may just leave it alone
Will an oversized delivery pipe cause less pressure? My pump is all 1 1/4 galvanized. It works at 12 psi and delivery side valve shut it builds up to 20. My delivery pipe going from pump to up hill to house is 1". If it was 3/4 or 1/2 I'm assuming the pressure would be higher
Larger pipe would likely devlop more pressure... not sure i understand your configuration, can you post a video?
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I will. When I do ill put a link on this comment section
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I will. When I do ill put a link on this comment section
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I'll have to upload a video tomorrow when I'm in town. My service is not good enough were I am
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Thanks so much!
well that was a clear as mud . hers what I'm traying to do . & you can comment on the thinking . I had this idea it is this. to tack water flow & push that water into a header tank which is elevated . lets say a 6000 gallon tank As the limit of the first lift possible 16 feet . then to repumps that water up to it limit of such lets say to a second tank of 24,000 gallons At 50 feet above the first tank . so the final lift will be to 100foot above the first lift now holding 100,000galons of water . The Target to riles that 100'000 gallons to drive a micro turbine By releasing it down a 4" pipe At ( 45 To 60) PSI emptying into a hooding tank sufficient to holding the 100'000 gallons of water tank having past into a 1" pipe to drive a micros hydro turbine to charge a battery bank . wy a rem pump self powered the point is to slowly rise the water to the required Hight & achieving it in stages using the head achieved at each stage, to power a bigger ram pump. as we sift the stored water at evry sage. given you now have my plan can it be achieved in closing the end choice will be to push the ram - pumps to pus that water back up to the heist point Rinse & Repeat, Pints to develop The largest pump to achieve it final size .
I have 400 ft of 1 inch drive hose can I install a one way valve to eliminate the shock wave ?
Likely no, you will need a standpipe. See the formula given.
Would you be able to advise me on sizing my ram pump please? I'm living in an off grid location around what I've calculated is 20m (65ft, similar to yours in the video) vertically above a freshwater spring with ample flow. So I'm hoping to ram the water the 250m distance to my accomodation. I only need a small volume 50-100 litres per day delivered. The question really is more about the vertical height I need to drive it. What size ram pump, drive and delivery pipe would be recommended for this situation. To throw a curve ball into the mix, a friend of mine decided to go and order me a complete 1/2 inch ramp pump from a RUclips seller, so I have one in hand. Can I make this size work do you think and if so what size pipe to drive and deliver? Cheers John
It's hard to say without knowing the flow you have and the delivery elevation... but I included the link in the description of this video (Clemson EDU) which has charts, formulas etc... Have a look at that and see if it helps... If you still need help hit me up and I'll walk you through it. Thanks for watching and let me know how you make out.cheers!
Add weight on waste valve.
By the way I am subscribed
Thanks!
Can you add a pipe to your waste water valve to bring the water back to your source water?
No
good information and informative. New friend Ruthie
Hey thanks for the kind words! Glad to have you along!
What about using a expansion tank for the chamber?
Sure that will work better
I was aiming for cheap. 😁
Well as.a.newcomer to all this "new" technology ( to me anyway), and I am still baffled by the whole deal. My question is , I have a flowing creek , never dries out, and where I can use the water is the issue it is 2-300 feet above the creek. Is it practical to think this system would work , not so much for an extraordinary amount of water but let's go with 200 gallons a week. Or am I expecting too much . Any response would be appreciated
How much vertical drop do you have at the creek and how much flow? See that link I mentioned in this video for simple calcs. Hope this helps.
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork thanks for getting back to me I will re watch the video.
You're welcome.. This is the link I'm referring too. I was on my phone for the first response... a bit awkward. On my comp now: www.slideshare.net/Fatin62c/homemade-hydraulic-ram-pump-clemson-university
You need to know the drop from source to where you would place the pump, as well as the rise to the delivery location (both in vertical feet). Then calculations can be made on whether or not a ram pump will work there. cheers!
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Well there is -0- drop from where the pump can be located . The creek flows 365. But is relatively...flat...so with that said I am guessing I cannot move water uphill 300 ( + - ) feet.
How many joules produced by ram pump ever possible at STP or NTP ???
I haven't done any joule calculations or conversions. This video is about understanding and building a ram pump.
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork please do it so whole world know it's efficiency in SI units
your right buddy...this "farmacy seeds network" guy seems to show he's too smart in calculations in this video yet claims its only about how to build a ram pump but he is obviously deviating from the point of the question thrown at him.....maybe after all he just does not know what he is talking about....just thinkin'
@@odyromero7233 Did you just climb out of a pickle jar? Cuz you seem awfully salty! Do you have an actual question? Show us some calculations if you're so smart. I'm just sharing knowledge with people and here you are twisting my words. I'm enjoying the show though. :popcorn:
Use siphoning so your ram pump become more powerful
Can you elaborate? Please share your experiences.
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork simply you made a u shape. 10 meters tall structure and on the other end use a stock of water which act as pressure valve and your work become automatically lesser
Since water draw out water from lower point to upper point due to its own weight
If 19 seconds get 78 gpm, how much water is wasted?
See this video for efficiency calculations: ruclips.net/video/Y1R9eak4Eu0/видео.html cheers!
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Thanks so much!
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You're very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this extensive video - I am working my way through it and have already found at 54:17 in the video that doubling the lift, only decreased the volume by half. Interesting that this is different than how I interpret the Williamson Pumps chart, where doubling the lift results in 1/4 the volume (I may interpreted incorrectly.) I've started a discussion about the Farmacy Seeds Network, linking back to the Farmacy Seed Network Ram Pumps youtube playlist: facebook.com/groups/240458583255303/permalink/535933110374514/
Hey thanks so much! I am glad my video is helping you! Really appreciate the sharing! Let me know if I can help anymore!
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork Pump owners have a variety of objectives. In my case, I'm interested in irrigating 3 acres, where volume and cost is important - I would love to interact with others with irrigation by means of water powered pumps.
Just confirming - I think your data supports that within some range of elevations that doubling the lift height cuts the volume in half? Am I miss understanding the Williamson chart (scroll down from the linked page) that I think indicates doubling the lift results in 1/4 the volume : www.williamsonrampump.co.nz/index.php/pumping-capacity
@@davebean2886 I can't speak for the Williamson pumps although they should be somewhere in the range.. and probably on the higher end of efficiency due to steel drive pipes and pumps - less flex. Volume delivered VERY much relates to fall to the pump vs delivered height ratio. I found the formula is pretty accurate that I put in the above video: .6 X Q X F/E =D This Clemson link is invaluable for calculations: www.slideshare.net/Fatin62c/homemade-hydraulic-ram-pump-clemson-university
@@davebean2886 I should also recommend drip irrigation.. overhead loses 50 -75 % of the water to evaporation.
@@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork Yes, it does seem like special delivery methods are called for. The water supplied using ditches is frequently measured in Cubic Feet Per Second (CPS), while output from water wheel pumps and ram pumps are frequently measured in a few gallons per minute (1 Cubic Feet per Second is almost 450 gallons per minute).
However, let's be fair - much of the water placed in an unlined ditch, never makes it to the irrigation destination. Once at the irrigation destination, flood irrigation is inefficient and may require much manual attention. On the other hand, for the same benefit, drip and low volume sprinklers use less water for the same benefit. I'm not sure of a ratio (making this up) - maybe 100 times the benefit for a gallon delivered - not sure, but when costing a system, this is important.
Can I run aram pump with 8 feet of head?
The short answer is Yes! Mine was on 6 feet of head.. pumping 72 feet of head and 900 feet distant.
Jump through this to see how far away and far uphill it was moving water ruclips.net/video/OK-RzJ4mUhQ/видео.html if you like.