I finally figured out why i hate Elden ring videos. The fucking proper nouns. You are dumping information into my head I don't want which is irrelevant to making me interested in the content.
@@koy540 okay? Dude why does that matter, your treating a video game as if it's a person saying it's "up it's own ass" like how does that even apply to a video game.
@James_Randal some days you just need to hate on something, today in this brief period of time I took 30 seconds to express my flippant rage that half a short I watched describing a crucial event in a video game was the narrator just trauma dumping names on me. I hope you can just accept that. If you can't you should play bloodborne and gain some insight into my brief dip into madness and rage.
I think most people while playing forget that Ranni caused all this. Its easy to dissociate the story from her in the game but she is the reason everything after came to pass
She didn't cause it alone. I don't think Ranni meant to kill Godwyn, as it arguably made all of her plans more difficult. I think she meant to kill Marika, as she has much more clear motivations to do so. She doesn't have many motivations to kill Godwyn. Miquella was already rejecting the GO, and her and his visions were perfectly compatible, so Miquella could have convinced Godwyn to stand down. We find a Black Knife Assasin outside of Marika's bedchamber. On the NoTBK, the ritual may had begun, but Marika was missing, so someone had to die with Ranni, and Godwyn was there. Marika made plenty of mistakes that led to all of it, and Marika herself became slave to the Elden Beast. Also, Marika did not shatter the ring immediately after Godwyn died. She was devestated, yes, but not insane. She shattered the ring after Miquella disappeared, which occurred well-after the Godwyn's death. I think Marika learned of Ranni's plot, which included several of Radagon's/her own children/the descendants of her own people (the nox). Miquella and Malenia were likely indifferent to Ranni's true plot, and Miquella had rejected Marika's Golden Order regardless. Her son Godwyn could not truly die, stuck inside a souless husk alive, because she removed the rune of death in the first place. She rejected and banished her loyal first lord because she wanted to build her own legacy, seperate from his. The only people left whom believed in her order were a couple of Omens that she had rejected and thrown into the sewers. She realized that everything she did on behalf of the Beast (not even truly the greater will, which was perfectly fine with cooperating with other outer Gods) had torn her family asunder and destroyed everything she worked to build. Shattering the ring may have been an attempt to kill the Beast, which we know is heavily injured when we fight it.
There's also a possibility that she wept for Godwyn not for his death, but rather the knowledge he had to die for the Golden Order to fall. We know she betrayed Maliketh, but we never see how, but the fact the black knives were somehow able to steal fragments of the Death-infused sword is most likely the indication. Another thing we know is that she set all of her children to be ambitious, to be what they want to become, or die as nothing. Marika probably had the longest plan to shatter the Golden Order, and have it started with Ranni, who above all wanted to rid herself of the Golden Order's control. The fact Godwyn died probably wasn't random either, as the demi-god looked up to by many and was essentially the perfect son of the Golden Order, who was able to create a strong bond with the ancient dragon, Godwyn was most likely the prime candidate for 3rd Elden Lord. His death made the spot open for others to take, so the war broke out with house Caria likely trying to take over, mount Ghelmir trying to burn it all down, the Haligtree fighting the Redmane for personal reasons because they were not interested in the Golden Order.
Your timeline doesn’t add up. The war with the Carions happened before Radagon became Marika’s consort. Godwyn was alive when Radagon and Marika had the Milenia and Miquella
@@bondbarrybonds5774 i said carians but more specifically it was the redmane under radahn, because the actual carians were under siege by the cuckoo knights of raya lucaria during the shattering (or before it) Godwyn was indeed alive when marika and radagon had malenia and miquella, except the plot took place much later, which everyone already knows. Point is marika was likely aware of ranni's desire to break free and gave her the opportunity to do that, to steal death and rid herself of the body that her two fingers controlled
There’s also speculation that she didn’t like the golden order, helped Ranni orchestrate the murder of Godwyn, and shattered the Elden ring in hopes that Ranni would eventually take her place.
I have a theroy about the red spear through her chest. Because it looks blackis redish enough i believe its a spear made from the death rune, and juat like how blaidd (who was given to ranni from the 2 fingers to keep an eye on her) turned on ranni when she betrayed the greater will, i beilve that when she destroyed the elden ring, Maliketh was sent to capture and imprison her, and since she holds the elden rune within her body , he put a spear through to stop the elden ring reforming and her coming back. But when we show up with a minimum of 2 elden shards, its enough for the elden ring to latch on and reform itself, which helps Marika/Radagon escape imprisonment. (Just a theory, but still i believe it holds a little weight😂😅)
Now that the DLC is out we know that she also played a heavy role in the genocide of the hornsent who trusted her and exiled her son Messmer to the Land of Shadow and closed off that land forever.. So she isnt so much of an angel as this reel portrays lol
In DLC we understand that the hornsent were raising shamans as cattle to create living jars. So sending Messmer is revenge / stopping this situation for Marika who is also a shaman. Hence, the horned things in Lands Between started to be persecuted as well (misbegotten, crucible, omen) She's not an angel, but very much human
Ye, I'm so mad at her and what her other vessel did to Rennala and her children. From the lore that I have read all of her children were either trying to improve the overall quality of life for all the lil creatures or protect Rennala and the rest of their family. In contrast, Marika just has kids who are lil irresponsible shits that are either too spoiled and stupid or too sheltered and out of touch of reality.
Ya kinda hits differently when you realize that emperyins are born as 2 different beings, but being exactly the same being at the same time. So basically, she left Godfrey for herself.
@javierabonza569 through many different items, character bios, notes you find, etc. The biggest thing that tells us this is Ronni and the girl who gives you Torrent (I forgot her name cause it's been a while). Ronni seems to have 2 faces when you look at her up close, but she also has the body of a doll. Radigon might have had an artificial body as well because when we fight him, his body seems to be made of clay or some sort of mineral. After defeating him, the Elden Beast uses his body to make a weapon. If you zoom in on the sword hilt, it's formed in the shape of Radigons corpse, but if his body was falling apart and crumbling, and after defeating the elden beast, his body returns still crumbled, who's corpse did the elden beast use? Marikas corpse. That explains why her body is nowhere to be found throughout the entire game. This is gonna sound like a bunch of string theory bs, but whatever lmao 🤣
@@the1andonlybelac it's no BS bro I like hearing other people theory. Ok so from what I know ranni is in a dolls body because she wanted to "rid herself of her flesh" get out of her empyrean body. In order to do so the she made the black knife plan. That's why Ranni died in body while Godwyn died in spirit. For me she never showed signs of another personality. As well as the other Empyreans none of them show signs of another persona, that being Malenia, Miquella, Ranni and supposably The Gloam eyed Queen. But hey I might be missing something lol I just finished my first playthrough with All Shardbearers in 175 hrs 🤣
@@javierabonza569 Another theory I just made up for fun. The Lands Between, as the name implies, are a plane outside the usual planes of existence. This means, to freely leave them, you need a bright and radiant soul/spirit that was cut from his physical anchor (the physical biological body) This can also imply Godwyn's Soul never truly died, just the connection to the physical anchor, his body, was severed so he left the Lands Between to another Dimension/World/Plane of Existence. To leave the lands between herself in physical form Ranni had to do the same in reverse - destroy her physical body/severing the connection to her biological anchor/vessel but anchoring her soul into a lifeless (in a biological sense) mobile vessel. The only thing that's now missing would be for someone to defy the Greater Will by slaying the Guardian of the World, the Elden Beast, as this would rewrite/pause the metaphysical laws of the Lands Between preventing Ranni from leaving. It had to be Godwyn because his virtous strong Soul would allow her to act as a shining beacon to guide her in whatever dimenion(s) she'd travel to with the protagonist.
Here’s something I’m confused about. Marika was married to Godfrey, Radagon was married to Rennala. But Marika and Radagon are the same person. Was Marika/Radagon married to both at the same time and then left both? Why make Radagon Elden lord when Marika (who is the same person) has already achieved godhood and had an Elden lord (Godfrey) under her/him? This is so confusing
My personal theory is that Marika and Radagon shared a soul, but didn't share a mind or body until the Greater Will recalled him to serve as the second Elden Lord. There's not really any evidence to back it up, but it would fit with them having different behaviors and being in two places at the same time.
My thing is also like, who else knew about Marika being Radagon? Did others know? Was it a secret, how did people not know they were one in the same, did the two of them like, sneakily keep up with each others marriages to Godfrey and Rennala or were they not at the same time? Alot of confusing details there
It’s never confirmed, but it’s highly likely that Marika and Radagon were once separate entities who were later fused into one body, possibly after Marika shattered the Elden Ring. It’s basically the same logic of St Trina and Miquella, they’re the same person but have different bodies and personalities… Empyrians are confusing.
Please do a video of the crucial similarities for each connected groups of siblings. Because each group literally reflects eachother in their own way/. Ranni, rykard and rahdan have a crucial similarity in all 3 (I hope I’m not stretching it) but all 3 reject what they’re ranni rejects her body, rykard rejects his families faith, and rahdan rejects what he is as a giant seeking “other worldly” magic😉. Miqella and Malenia (cursed in their own ways as we know). Godwyn, Mohg and Morgot (monster like bodies, Godwyns real self is that fish technically)
I understand Ranni, out of the Empyrians, she was the most likely to become the next Goddess, however I have a theory Marika cursed Miquella and Malenia so they lose their status. Ranni became an object to the 2 fingers and she was probably held into chains until her master came about. I bet she wanted to free herself but needed the use of Destined Death; since she couldn't do it alone she got the help from the Black Knives but I doubt she was the one to choose Godwyn as the victim. Also, Ranni only wanted to be free from the 2 fingers, what her siblings and cousins did was their own fault, if everyone wasn't blinded by ambition, Ranni would've most likely just killed her 2 fingers and flee to the Moon.
I assume it was kinda the Greater Will basically making Radagon watch over Marika, a deterrent so nobody can free her. That and the fact that by this point, Marika and Radagon share a body in the likelihood that this wasn’t always the case.
I think Radagon was still loyal to the greater will. Cuz I think the lore stated that after Marika shattered the Elden Ring, Radagon did his best to repair it. And once repaired to the best of his ability, the Elden Ring was taken into their body and I presume Radagon imprisoned himself before allowing Marika to suffer her punishment. It's also why when our Tarnished arrives, Radagon takes over again to defend the Elden Ring from us
@@hallodu6654It's directly stated in the Black Knife armor set that the Black Knives were Numens, the same race as Marika, with ties to Marika. Marika is already implicated with trickery via the whole Radagon and Marika is the same person thing. And we know she betrayed Maliketh, and given that he's going on and on on not letting Destined Death be taken from him again we can presume the betrayal was most likely her stealing back the rune of Destined Death that she told him to guard, presumably to give to the Black Knives. Also the background was written by George R.R Martin, there's no way that he wouldn't include a twist like Marika being behind the assassination but Ranni double crossing her to pull off the whole only killing Ranni's body and saving her soul via sacrificing Godwyn's soul plan. None of it's a smoking gun, but it's pretty heavily implied that she's involved in some manner.
Very loaded interpretation that puts too much weight on Ranni’s involvement and assumes that Marika shattered the Elden Ring because she was “on edge” because of Godwyn’s death without any evidence from the lore whatsoever, while completely ignoring probability of her being involved in the night of the black knives, because according to the lore she betrayed Maliketh, was rumoured to be connected to the Black Knives and told her children to become a lord or a God or to amount only to sacrifices if they fail to do so.
Didn’t queen Marika help ranni discard her physical body? For one gods body to die another’s soul must too Marika helped ranni obtain the fragment of the rune of death through the black knives Marika likely always planned on shattering the Elden ring she was always against the greater will
Ok i'm seeing that people point out that its all Ranni's fault. But we really can stop at this "i wanna stop destined death". Not sure about "destined" context but any type of trying to stop death is usualy cause of everything going to shit.
I don't think Marika's motivation was grief, instead I think over time she questioned the golden order much like Ranni did but had a more longer and sure-fire plan than her. For example, she's the one who set out the Tarnished, including the First Elden Lord Godfrey since he's also Tarnished, on their long march until they return, marking the coming of the next Elden Lord who slain the Elden Beast. Melina's dialog hints to this when she reads Marika's words in those churches you find, so it's hard to say she did it out of grief rather than questioning the whole thing
Having been a fan of the darksouls game,. the plots are always the same. Darksouls plot is that they want to stay in power. Darksouls 2 I don't even see that much of a plot, and in Darksouls 3 the lords just want to live their life and not be sacrificed to the flames😂😂😂. Where as Elden Ring, well....Its just like back to square 1 plot and jam them all together in one big game 😂😂😂. Do not mistake me though, as I said I am a fan and not a hater 😂😂😂
It’s because the naming scheme is consistent with the parentage. Children of Marika and Radagon all start with ‘M’ Malenia, Miquella, Messmer, Melina… and the children of Radagon and Rennala all start with ‘R’ Ranni, Rykard, Radahn… and then we have the golden lineage stemming from Marika and Godfrey, where they only publicly had Godwyn, and all descendants of this bloodline have ‘God’ at the start of their name, in game we know of Godfrey, Godwyn, Godrick and Godefroy. It is confusing at first glance, but the naming scheme once understood, actually makes things easier to keep track of.
Yeah she loved Godwyn so much that she had him killed... There are many clues on the fact that she orchestrated the night of the black knives with Ranni. Also many forget that the night of the black knives happened long before the shattering, so I don't think they're heavily correlated, or at least it wasn't the final reason
Technically not really Godfrey specifically… she sent him and his warriors. Lmao she kinda pulled the ultimate bitch move by kicking him out, giving him the opportunity to reclaim his throne, but also giving equal chance to all of his warriors, basically cucking him. We literally cuck Godfrey. As a Tarnished, he’s basically our commander and we swoop in and beat his ass and steal his wife.
She likely married Radagon first before removing the rune of death. The Gloam Eyed Queen is obviously Melina. No explanation needed there. However, she is with the unalloyed family, consisting the aeonian butterfly, nascent butterfly, and smoldering butterfly. Radagon is a clone of Marika, and due to that, their children were each assigned these butterflies, with Melina representing the smoldering butterfly. The rune of death was first owned by the Gloam Eyed Queen, and since Marika was the one to remove it from the Elden Ring, the likely chance is that she gave the rune first to her daughter, trusting her to keep it safe. However, Melina had a different idea, which resulted in her smoldering fire being combined with destined death, to create blackflame, capable of killing gods. Marika likely feared this power, since Melina's apostles already killed countless gods, and wore them as a trophy. Mrika was also a goddess, which resulted her sending Maliketh to fight Melina. She somehow lost... How tf do you lose such a winning battle? Anyways, Maliketh took the death, the apostles were abandoned, a fairly new generation of apostles were created which relied on their duel rather than the scroching fire, and Maliketh just... gave death to whoever served him. Oh yea. If you want clarification on how Radagon is a clone when Marika is a woman, the Fire Giant cursed Marika with some of his own DNA, which turned Marika's hair red. And if you go around the Lands Between often, red isn't really praised in any location but Redmane. It symbolizes a beast which a queen can't be. Aftermath Ranni and Rykard decided to steal a fragment of Death Rykcard created the blasphemous claw in case the plan failed and went to war. Radahn, wanting to take the name "lord" someday, paused the movement of the sky to prevent Ranni from her path. And no, he did not do it to stop the fallingstar beasts, since a large remnants of them still remain around the map with a burning crater which should have cooled years ago. Ranni succeeded, which resulted in her killing Godwyn for maximum dmg on the golden order, and herself to rid out her flesh. You know this story. What you don't know, is that Melina somehow returned(Star Wars be like:) Ranni brought back the Gloam Eyed Queen, but with a missing fragment of memory and power. She later became a servant who would seek out a Tarnished to help herself and Ranni fix the Golden Order. It is likely Melina disobeyed Ranni's Orders, and just stayed with the Tarnished till the end. She did not like the idea of Ranni abandoning the Lands Between just to create another one on the moon. This results to 4 of the common endings you know. Holy shit I am a nerd at this game. I played this game for only a year. I should not know this much.
Interesting theories for sure but do keep in mind, a lot of this is just speculative theory, the story is written vaguely intentionally. We’re not really supposed to know the whole picture, we only know for certain what’s relevant and presented to us.
Whoops, I just married sole the reason crap went down two consecutive playthroughs Time for a third. What’s Merika gonna do? Kill me? She’s dead! And so are her two exes! Who I ALSO KILLED! That’s what we call a SKILL ISSUE!
I finally figured out why i hate Elden ring videos. The fucking proper nouns. You are dumping information into my head I don't want which is irrelevant to making me interested in the content.
what are you talking about lol
What? Are you okay man your not making any sense.
I am interested in elden ring but every name of an event or character or location is so up its own ass it is impossible to take seriously.
@@koy540 okay? Dude why does that matter, your treating a video game as if it's a person saying it's "up it's own ass" like how does that even apply to a video game.
@James_Randal some days you just need to hate on something, today in this brief period of time I took 30 seconds to express my flippant rage that half a short I watched describing a crucial event in a video game was the narrator just trauma dumping names on me. I hope you can just accept that. If you can't you should play bloodborne and gain some insight into my brief dip into madness and rage.
I think most people while playing forget that Ranni caused all this. Its easy to dissociate the story from her in the game but she is the reason everything after came to pass
I forgive her
Those four hands made up for it
Y’all are simps leave this behind tarnished and let chaos take the world
Marika did everybody dirty. The rest is pretty much Karma. Destined death was a weapon she stole that was in turn stolen from her.
She didn't cause it alone. I don't think Ranni meant to kill Godwyn, as it arguably made all of her plans more difficult. I think she meant to kill Marika, as she has much more clear motivations to do so. She doesn't have many motivations to kill Godwyn. Miquella was already rejecting the GO, and her and his visions were perfectly compatible, so Miquella could have convinced Godwyn to stand down. We find a Black Knife Assasin outside of Marika's bedchamber. On the NoTBK, the ritual may had begun, but Marika was missing, so someone had to die with Ranni, and Godwyn was there.
Marika made plenty of mistakes that led to all of it, and Marika herself became slave to the Elden Beast.
Also, Marika did not shatter the ring immediately after Godwyn died. She was devestated, yes, but not insane. She shattered the ring after Miquella disappeared, which occurred well-after the Godwyn's death.
I think Marika learned of Ranni's plot, which included several of Radagon's/her own children/the descendants of her own people (the nox). Miquella and Malenia were likely indifferent to Ranni's true plot, and Miquella had rejected Marika's Golden Order regardless. Her son Godwyn could not truly die, stuck inside a souless husk alive, because she removed the rune of death in the first place. She rejected and banished her loyal first lord because she wanted to build her own legacy, seperate from his. The only people left whom believed in her order were a couple of Omens that she had rejected and thrown into the sewers.
She realized that everything she did on behalf of the Beast (not even truly the greater will, which was perfectly fine with cooperating with other outer Gods) had torn her family asunder and destroyed everything she worked to build. Shattering the ring may have been an attempt to kill the Beast, which we know is heavily injured when we fight it.
There's also a possibility that she wept for Godwyn not for his death, but rather the knowledge he had to die for the Golden Order to fall. We know she betrayed Maliketh, but we never see how, but the fact the black knives were somehow able to steal fragments of the Death-infused sword is most likely the indication. Another thing we know is that she set all of her children to be ambitious, to be what they want to become, or die as nothing.
Marika probably had the longest plan to shatter the Golden Order, and have it started with Ranni, who above all wanted to rid herself of the Golden Order's control. The fact Godwyn died probably wasn't random either, as the demi-god looked up to by many and was essentially the perfect son of the Golden Order, who was able to create a strong bond with the ancient dragon, Godwyn was most likely the prime candidate for 3rd Elden Lord. His death made the spot open for others to take, so the war broke out with house Caria likely trying to take over, mount Ghelmir trying to burn it all down, the Haligtree fighting the Redmane for personal reasons because they were not interested in the Golden Order.
Your timeline doesn’t add up. The war with the Carions happened before Radagon became Marika’s consort. Godwyn was alive when Radagon and Marika had the Milenia and Miquella
@@bondbarrybonds5774 i said carians but more specifically it was the redmane under radahn, because the actual carians were under siege by the cuckoo knights of raya lucaria during the shattering (or before it)
Godwyn was indeed alive when marika and radagon had malenia and miquella, except the plot took place much later, which everyone already knows. Point is marika was likely aware of ranni's desire to break free and gave her the opportunity to do that, to steal death and rid herself of the body that her two fingers controlled
@@thecommentguy9380 Godwyn probably wasn’t meant to be elden lord but rather marika’s successor
@@corbin378 not possible, only empyreans can take her place as only they can become gods
@@thecommentguy9380 I know, I thought godwyn was an empryean
I wanna see if there is a different reason for why she shattered the elden ring that we see on the dlc
The dlc is probably going to clarify so much lore and present us with new interesting things as well
It literally tells you in the prologue in the game as to why she shattered the Elden ring
whats the song thats playing?
@@BobDick-z5ksnowfall
@@geminislayer3013 About that.
nah she didn't leave godfrey for Radagon she left him for herself💀
There’s also speculation that she didn’t like the golden order, helped Ranni orchestrate the murder of Godwyn, and shattered the Elden ring in hopes that Ranni would eventually take her place.
You're so full of sht
typical copium of ranni simps
@@the3rddimension733 i bet your favorite ending is dung eater
@@Tbone8079 lmao no gold mask
@@the3rddimension733In what way is this simping for ranni? Are you dumb?
I have a theroy about the red spear through her chest. Because it looks blackis redish enough i believe its a spear made from the death rune, and juat like how blaidd (who was given to ranni from the 2 fingers to keep an eye on her) turned on ranni when she betrayed the greater will, i beilve that when she destroyed the elden ring, Maliketh was sent to capture and imprison her, and since she holds the elden rune within her body , he put a spear through to stop the elden ring reforming and her coming back. But when we show up with a minimum of 2 elden shards, its enough for the elden ring to latch on and reform itself, which helps Marika/Radagon escape imprisonment. (Just a theory, but still i believe it holds a little weight😂😅)
Thats just a bible reference, dont overcomplicate this.
Now that the DLC is out we know that she also played a heavy role in the genocide of the hornsent who trusted her and exiled her son Messmer to the Land of Shadow and closed off that land forever.. So she isnt so much of an angel as this reel portrays lol
In DLC we understand that the hornsent were raising shamans as cattle to create living jars. So sending Messmer is revenge / stopping this situation for Marika who is also a shaman. Hence, the horned things in Lands Between started to be persecuted as well (misbegotten, crucible, omen)
She's not an angel, but very much human
Ye, I'm so mad at her and what her other vessel did to Rennala and her children. From the lore that I have read all of her children were either trying to improve the overall quality of life for all the lil creatures or protect Rennala and the rest of their family. In contrast, Marika just has kids who are lil irresponsible shits that are either too spoiled and stupid or too sheltered and out of touch of reality.
Ya kinda hits differently when you realize that emperyins are born as 2 different beings, but being exactly the same being at the same time. So basically, she left Godfrey for herself.
Where does it say that?
@javierabonza569 through many different items, character bios, notes you find, etc. The biggest thing that tells us this is Ronni and the girl who gives you Torrent (I forgot her name cause it's been a while). Ronni seems to have 2 faces when you look at her up close, but she also has the body of a doll. Radigon might have had an artificial body as well because when we fight him, his body seems to be made of clay or some sort of mineral. After defeating him, the Elden Beast uses his body to make a weapon. If you zoom in on the sword hilt, it's formed in the shape of Radigons corpse, but if his body was falling apart and crumbling, and after defeating the elden beast, his body returns still crumbled, who's corpse did the elden beast use? Marikas corpse. That explains why her body is nowhere to be found throughout the entire game. This is gonna sound like a bunch of string theory bs, but whatever lmao 🤣
@@the1andonlybelac it's no BS bro I like hearing other people theory. Ok so from what I know ranni is in a dolls body because she wanted to "rid herself of her flesh" get out of her empyrean body. In order to do so the she made the black knife plan. That's why Ranni died in body while Godwyn died in spirit. For me she never showed signs of another personality. As well as the other Empyreans none of them show signs of another persona, that being Malenia, Miquella, Ranni and supposably The Gloam eyed Queen. But hey I might be missing something lol I just finished my first playthrough with All Shardbearers in 175 hrs 🤣
@@javierabonza569 Another theory I just made up for fun.
The Lands Between, as the name implies, are a plane outside the usual planes of existence. This means, to freely leave them, you need a bright and radiant soul/spirit that was cut from his physical anchor (the physical biological body)
This can also imply Godwyn's Soul never truly died, just the connection to the physical anchor, his body, was severed so he left the Lands Between to another Dimension/World/Plane of Existence. To leave the lands between herself in physical form Ranni had to do the same in reverse - destroy her physical body/severing the connection to her biological anchor/vessel but anchoring her soul into a lifeless (in a biological sense) mobile vessel.
The only thing that's now missing would be for someone to defy the Greater Will by slaying the Guardian of the World, the Elden Beast, as this would rewrite/pause the metaphysical laws of the Lands Between preventing Ranni from leaving.
It had to be Godwyn because his virtous strong Soul would allow her to act as a shining beacon to guide her in whatever dimenion(s) she'd travel to with the protagonist.
She a baddie 🤤🤤🤤
Here’s something I’m confused about. Marika was married to Godfrey, Radagon was married to Rennala. But Marika and Radagon are the same person. Was Marika/Radagon married to both at the same time and then left both? Why make Radagon Elden lord when Marika (who is the same person) has already achieved godhood and had an Elden lord (Godfrey) under her/him? This is so confusing
My personal theory is that Marika and Radagon shared a soul, but didn't share a mind or body until the Greater Will recalled him to serve as the second Elden Lord.
There's not really any evidence to back it up, but it would fit with them having different behaviors and being in two places at the same time.
My thing is also like, who else knew about Marika being Radagon? Did others know? Was it a secret, how did people not know they were one in the same, did the two of them like, sneakily keep up with each others marriages to Godfrey and Rennala or were they not at the same time? Alot of confusing details there
It’s never confirmed, but it’s highly likely that Marika and Radagon were once separate entities who were later fused into one body, possibly after Marika shattered the Elden Ring. It’s basically the same logic of St Trina and Miquella, they’re the same person but have different bodies and personalities… Empyrians are confusing.
Please do a video of the crucial similarities for each connected groups of siblings. Because each group literally reflects eachother in their own way/. Ranni, rykard and rahdan have a crucial similarity in all 3 (I hope I’m not stretching it) but all 3 reject what they’re ranni rejects her body, rykard rejects his families faith, and rahdan rejects what he is as a giant seeking “other worldly” magic😉. Miqella and Malenia (cursed in their own ways as we know). Godwyn, Mohg and Morgot (monster like bodies, Godwyns real self is that fish technically)
Very good basic summary of the lore that leads to the start of the game 👍
I understand Ranni, out of the Empyrians, she was the most likely to become the next Goddess, however I have a theory Marika cursed Miquella and Malenia so they lose their status.
Ranni became an object to the 2 fingers and she was probably held into chains until her master came about.
I bet she wanted to free herself but needed the use of Destined Death; since she couldn't do it alone she got the help from the Black Knives but I doubt she was the one to choose Godwyn as the victim.
Also, Ranni only wanted to be free from the 2 fingers, what her siblings and cousins did was their own fault, if everyone wasn't blinded by ambition, Ranni would've most likely just killed her 2 fingers and flee to the Moon.
I still want to know why Radagon was imprisoned / Locked away with marika.
Since he was basically her
Well they both are slaves to the greater will so it kinda came with the territory.
I assume it was kinda the Greater Will basically making Radagon watch over Marika, a deterrent so nobody can free her. That and the fact that by this point, Marika and Radagon share a body in the likelihood that this wasn’t always the case.
I think Radagon was still loyal to the greater will. Cuz I think the lore stated that after Marika shattered the Elden Ring, Radagon did his best to repair it. And once repaired to the best of his ability, the Elden Ring was taken into their body and I presume Radagon imprisoned himself before allowing Marika to suffer her punishment. It's also why when our Tarnished arrives, Radagon takes over again to defend the Elden Ring from us
Godwyn would have never allowed the Elden Ring to be shattered. He would have fought Merika over it. So he had to die.
It's heavily implied she was part or was the instigator of rannis plan
Heavily implied?😅
@@hallodu6654It's directly stated in the Black Knife armor set that the Black Knives were Numens, the same race as Marika, with ties to Marika. Marika is already implicated with trickery via the whole Radagon and Marika is the same person thing. And we know she betrayed Maliketh, and given that he's going on and on on not letting Destined Death be taken from him again we can presume the betrayal was most likely her stealing back the rune of Destined Death that she told him to guard, presumably to give to the Black Knives.
Also the background was written by George R.R Martin, there's no way that he wouldn't include a twist like Marika being behind the assassination but Ranni double crossing her to pull off the whole only killing Ranni's body and saving her soul via sacrificing Godwyn's soul plan.
None of it's a smoking gun, but it's pretty heavily implied that she's involved in some manner.
Marika is radagon. She didn't marry radagon.
Kind of forgot to mention that Marika and Radagon are the same person
I don't understand why she left Godfrey to marry Radagon, since they are the same person?😅
I don’t understand a thing from this game just know I beat it 😭😊👍🏽
Just some more wrong lore.
Queen marika literally is under the tree in shamans village with her hairs in her hands as a tallisman 😂
Love the videos sir
Thank you! 😄
Very loaded interpretation that puts too much weight on Ranni’s involvement and assumes that Marika shattered the Elden Ring because she was “on edge” because of Godwyn’s death without any evidence from the lore whatsoever, while completely ignoring probability of her being involved in the night of the black knives, because according to the lore she betrayed Maliketh, was rumoured to be connected to the Black Knives and told her children to become a lord or a God or to amount only to sacrifices if they fail to do so.
Didn’t queen Marika help ranni discard her physical body? For one gods body to die another’s soul must too
Marika helped ranni obtain the fragment of the rune of death through the black knives
Marika likely always planned on shattering the Elden ring she was always against the greater will
Ok i'm seeing that people point out that its all Ranni's fault. But we really can stop at this "i wanna stop destined death". Not sure about "destined" context but any type of trying to stop death is usualy cause of everything going to shit.
Hmmm John Fenn says that the Nephilim are not hybrid children of angels and human women so I’m unsure of what to think about that…
By the way, radagon is marika herself, so she basically married herself.
I think she used the hammer to shatter herself too into two parts
Will be Merika in DLC as a Boos ?
I don't think Marika's motivation was grief, instead I think over time she questioned the golden order much like Ranni did but had a more longer and sure-fire plan than her. For example, she's the one who set out the Tarnished, including the First Elden Lord Godfrey since he's also Tarnished, on their long march until they return, marking the coming of the next Elden Lord who slain the Elden Beast. Melina's dialog hints to this when she reads Marika's words in those churches you find, so it's hard to say she did it out of grief rather than questioning the whole thing
So when she shatters the Elden ring is that when the” ring shatters” in the dlc?
Womp Womp
Melina also daughter of Radagon and Marika
along with messmer
"Radagon IS Marika"
Having been a fan of the darksouls game,. the plots are always the same. Darksouls plot is that they want to stay in power. Darksouls 2 I don't even see that much of a plot, and in Darksouls 3 the lords just want to live their life and not be sacrificed to the flames😂😂😂. Where as Elden Ring, well....Its just like back to square 1 plot and jam them all together in one big game 😂😂😂. Do not mistake me though, as I said I am a fan and not a hater 😂😂😂
Bro got so much info wrong💀
it was Radagon who imprisoned her, it’s based on his skewring grab attack that crucifixes us and gets pierced by golden light
Every time I think about godywn I feel sad
Hope we meet in dlc 😊 with a powerful death weapon 👍 and he kick my ass 😂😂
Marika is Radagon you will figure it out when u progress through sunflower masked man quest
There's a conspiracy theory that's. She was in a sexual relationship with her son.🤔
Me who never played elden ring or dark souls and know that these are ultra legendary games and halfway through the short so just vibing to the music
My interpretation is that she shattered the elden ring before ranni killed godwyn
I think the elden beast was the physical embodiment of the greater will
It’s speculation that Marika orchestrated the black knife incident
The Elden beast is the greater will given form,
all I know you guys ,is that I died a LOT
You missed radhan
Is it just me or are a lot of these names easily confusable? Miquella, Malenia, Malena, Radagon, Radahn, Godwyn, Godfrey, Godrick...It's too much.
It’s because the naming scheme is consistent with the parentage. Children of Marika and Radagon all start with ‘M’ Malenia, Miquella, Messmer, Melina… and the children of Radagon and Rennala all start with ‘R’ Ranni, Rykard, Radahn… and then we have the golden lineage stemming from Marika and Godfrey, where they only publicly had Godwyn, and all descendants of this bloodline have ‘God’ at the start of their name, in game we know of Godfrey, Godwyn, Godrick and Godefroy.
It is confusing at first glance, but the naming scheme once understood, actually makes things easier to keep track of.
That my name 😊
Plap plap
she left her husband for a male version of herself.
Yeah she loved Godwyn so much that she had him killed... There are many clues on the fact that she orchestrated the night of the black knives with Ranni. Also many forget that the night of the black knives happened long before the shattering, so I don't think they're heavily correlated, or at least it wasn't the final reason
Finally someone said it
Let's also not forget thg Godwyn wasn't exactly a saint either
isn't Rani Radagons daughter? 🤔
When a god challenges her godhood.
She didnt left him, she sent him to grow stronger in the face of death then Come back
Technically not really Godfrey specifically… she sent him and his warriors. Lmao she kinda pulled the ultimate bitch move by kicking him out, giving him the opportunity to reclaim his throne, but also giving equal chance to all of his warriors, basically cucking him. We literally cuck Godfrey. As a Tarnished, he’s basically our commander and we swoop in and beat his ass and steal his wife.
I can fix her 🗿
Elden beast is a parasite
I wonder if we get to see Godwyn's Spirit in the DLC
Problem there is his spirit is dead. It’s his body that’s arguably still alive. Ranni killed her body, her spirit lives on in the doll.
didn't ranni steal the death rune and then die with it
Only a piece of it.
Rise Tarnished
She likely married Radagon first before removing the rune of death.
The Gloam Eyed Queen is obviously Melina. No explanation needed there. However, she is with the unalloyed family, consisting the aeonian butterfly, nascent butterfly, and smoldering butterfly. Radagon is a clone of Marika, and due to that, their children were each assigned these butterflies, with Melina representing the smoldering butterfly.
The rune of death was first owned by the Gloam Eyed Queen, and since Marika was the one to remove it from the Elden Ring, the likely chance is that she gave the rune first to her daughter, trusting her to keep it safe. However, Melina had a different idea, which resulted in her smoldering fire being combined with destined death, to create blackflame, capable of killing gods.
Marika likely feared this power, since Melina's apostles already killed countless gods, and wore them as a trophy. Mrika was also a goddess, which resulted her sending Maliketh to fight Melina. She somehow lost... How tf do you lose such a winning battle?
Anyways, Maliketh took the death, the apostles were abandoned, a fairly new generation of apostles were created which relied on their duel rather than the scroching fire, and Maliketh just... gave death to whoever served him.
Oh yea. If you want clarification on how Radagon is a clone when Marika is a woman, the Fire Giant cursed Marika with some of his own DNA, which turned Marika's hair red. And if you go around the Lands Between often, red isn't really praised in any location but Redmane. It symbolizes a beast which a queen can't be.
Aftermath
Ranni and Rykard decided to steal a fragment of Death
Rykcard created the blasphemous claw in case the plan failed and went to war.
Radahn, wanting to take the name "lord" someday, paused the movement of the sky to prevent Ranni from her path. And no, he did not do it to stop the fallingstar beasts, since a large remnants of them still remain around the map with a burning crater which should have cooled years ago.
Ranni succeeded, which resulted in her killing Godwyn for maximum dmg on the golden order, and herself to rid out her flesh. You know this story.
What you don't know, is that Melina somehow returned(Star Wars be like:)
Ranni brought back the Gloam Eyed Queen, but with a missing fragment of memory and power. She later became a servant who would seek out a Tarnished to help herself and Ranni fix the Golden Order. It is likely Melina disobeyed Ranni's Orders, and just stayed with the Tarnished till the end. She did not like the idea of Ranni abandoning the Lands Between just to create another one on the moon. This results to 4 of the common endings you know.
Holy shit I am a nerd at this game.
I played this game for only a year. I should not know this much.
Interesting theories for sure but do keep in mind, a lot of this is just speculative theory, the story is written vaguely intentionally. We’re not really supposed to know the whole picture, we only know for certain what’s relevant and presented to us.
Music name?
Snowfall Oneheart
Thank you
Whoops, I just married sole the reason crap went down two consecutive playthroughs
Time for a third. What’s Merika gonna do? Kill me? She’s dead! And so are her two exes! Who I ALSO KILLED! That’s what we call a SKILL ISSUE!
Explained the whole story in less than 5 minutes. Thank you 🙏🏼
I'd say that this is face value but the reality is marina is probably behind killing godwyn
Marika's a bop.
Isnt Marika Radagon tho
Ranni is the true villain of Elden Ring. Prove me wrong.