Probably the most controversial Jedi type ever
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- Опубликовано: 22 июн 2023
- Star Wars Lore has lots of goofy moments, which I love, but this bit of lore might push the envelope on what works. We'll talk that and more on today's Star Wars video
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I always liked the fact jedi didn't always need to be fighters and could just be super wise instead
There are Jedi scholars in the High Republic Era and Eno Cordova in Fallen Order who was more archeologist than anything
you mean the jedi were so blinded to the will of the living force that they thought they were wise....right?
because the wisdom thing didnt pan out so well in the end...
A jedi, uses his strength for knowledge and defense.
Hutt jedi form 4 😊
Yeah but most of the wise jedi were weak.Tera Sinube didnt do shit a nd died to some pathetic inquisitors.
Love how at least 60% of overcomplicated Star Wars Legends Lore comes from encyclopedia book writers just going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the real stories. Same things happened with Lord Shadowspawn aka Cronal, where he only appeared in like 2 notable stories then background encyclopedia book went insane with retcons for the character
A lot of stuff also comes from Wookieepedia writers trying to incorporate obscure little details from old Star Wars games, which didn't even care about lore, just about gameplay, so in official Legends stuff they were ignored, but on Wookieepedia not
@@wilhufftarkin8543 Good point
Most of the stuff is just non-canon gameplay bonuses, like the black lightsaber crystal from TFU. And I mean non-canon even back then.
But those WookieePedia guys sure do like typing stuff so it gets added
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Not just gameplay mechanics, also stuff that obviously was never meant to be canon, like the Coruscant level in the Phantom Menace game for example. The game needed action in this part of the story, so they just invented something for Captain Panaka to blast his way through. Understandably, this was never mentioned anywhere else, but on Wookieepedia, it's treated like it was meant to be taken seriously.
Idknow i hate that even the last piece of bantha shit got some epic background story in star wars
@@theMPrints I find that's part of the charme
Iron Knights would have been neat if they were ancient droids connected to Xim the Despot. As for strange, I mean the Green Lantern Corps literally has a planet that is a member, so nothing really phases me in terms of different Jedi beyond humanoid bipeds.
@@michaelandreipalon359 That was a great show. Shame it ended
We've got sentient insectoids and arachnids, bipedal humanoids, quadro or even hexapedal humanoids. We have avians and all other manner of living beings. These all fall under traditionally viewed "lifeforms". And then if we move to some more unorthodox ones we have the more common sentient trees or plants. And we have less common "living rocks". Lastly we have a few instances of sentient planets. And we find these across many fictional works. And the reasoning for many of these are varied.
So having a robotic body with a, somewhat limited or restricted, AI living in symbiosis with a living force sensitive crystal? I mean sure. One could even argue it is the midi-chlorians just bunching up and residing in these crystals for all I care. Would still be a better narrative than episode 8 and 9...
Don't forget about the GL that's a living math equation and can destroy your brain by making you think too hard about math.
It's like my worst nightmare.
A Force sensitive Transformer... 🤔
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Yeah lol or the Green Lantern that is a super intelligent small pox or an alien Bell that only communicates in vibrations.
I'll be honest, I think the Iron Knights were among my favorites of the obscure Star Wars lore.
Mine too. Heck I even made an OC based off a tweaked version of the Shard to try and make it fit better into modern lore. Where it would be a silicon based lifeform that had merged with the cybernetics of a B2 Grapple Droid.
I ran an Iron Knight in RP for over a decade. Good times.
@@minicle426 they were created be a jedi
@@sean-or1ncWhat?
@@minicle426 ya idk I don't remember what I was referring to
I am a GM for a Star Wars RPG game, and I have a player that specifically requested to play a Shard as a baby survivor of Order 66 who achieved wider sentience after the Battle of Endor. An extremely nuanced character, and it was fun incorporating the Star Trek dilemas of a crystaline species interacting with organics.
In the SW5e TTRPG, any droid player character can take “Shard Modification” as a level 1 feat upon character creation, allowing them to roleplay an Oraxian Shard instead of a droid, and giving them access to any and all Force-using classes or abilities.
Glad to see the iron knights are getting some attention
At least not negatively old eu haters exist and there always on the loose
@jamessoto7652 true, personally I think the iron knights are one the most interesting things in the old eu
I'm waiting for the revelation that Huyang is secretly one. :P
The thing is, Shards "Not being living" might be the fact that they aren't CARBON based. Shards could very well be silicon based lifeforms. While Shards are clearly more sci-fantasy than anything else, they are not too detached from science.
Either way I feel like Shards have to be force sensitive on some level. Thus being a form of living force crystal. So I think it's a spectrum from "Can lightly manipulate the force" to "Full Jedi"
I just find it funny that once the Shards mentioned they’re using Dead Friends a Lightsaber Crystals the council said No XD
Pretty sure the Shards would take it as an Honor to still be useful, plus it’s not like they’ll complain.
@@4aw50fGold Yeah, the Old Order's problem is ironically based on emotion instead of logic, since they're judging Shards like any other species.
@@4aw50fGold "Even in death, I still serve!"
Kyber Crystals are supposedly connected to the force and have some kind of "will" through it, so perhaps those are basically Kyber crystals on steroids.
For me, I think the entire Jedi Prince Trilogy (And all of it’s weird surprising parallels with the Sequel Trilogy) is the biggest fever dream in star wars lore
ex: Palpatine experiments with the help of people like Sly Moore creating a son. That son was deemed a failure, and had a powerful force sensitive child, who was heir to a Jedi Legacy
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yes and no, specific details are fudged, but most of the characters were real.
You described Rise of Skywalker or Jedi Prince?
@@Hello-bi1pm both
@@michaelandreipalon359 It;s like the Battltech cartoon being reintegrated into the Canon, almost all the events "Happened" to one degree or another. The actual *Dialog* is the way that it is because it's an in-univierse childrens propaganda cartoon version of the real events.
The biggest fever dream is the fact that the sequel trilogy ended up being the answer to "what would happen if you tossed Dark Empire, the Jedi Prince children's books, and Legacy of the Force into a blender?"
I thought the statues that come alive on Dromand Caas from Mysteries of the Sith were a bit goofy but they worked because that entire planet is literally dripping with dark force energy.
Dromund Kaas
@@michaelandreipalon359 MotS had the best gunplay of the games (Mostly because it was just JK1 with a sniper and some alt ammos added) so turning off the guns for the final level annoyed me. I barely used the saber normally.
I actually adore the concept of the Iron Knight. Not all life is organic~
Also totally depends on the definition of organic
roborts ain't life
Skynet must die!
@@pwnorbepwned Organic refers to carbon-based lifeforms, which is pretty much every sapient species in Star Wars. Even kyber crystals, which seem to be intelligent due to the Force manifesting in them, are organic, though I doubt they should be considered sentient or granted personhood. The only non-organic life in Star Wars are the ones that can survive in space, like the purgil and the mynocks, who are silicon based lifeforms.
J-3DI anyone?
I like this concept. It reminds me of the Green Lanterns and the huge variety of weird lifeforms that form the Corps. From a living planet to a sentient "Song", you got it all 😁
remember Geod from the high republic books, he was a rock that didn't move or talk
I always liked the idea of the shards. I once met a guy in a role play setting who played a Shard as his character. a sentient crystal is just a cool idea tbh. it is a shame that we don't really see them any more than in passing
It is what it is. There are a lot of species in SW that could have used a little more "screen" time.
I really like the Bothans but honestly, we just see them in passing or HEAR about them doing cool stuff when we could be seeing it.
We've seen Kashyyk like 3 times but I can't recall ever getting any story on a Bothan world.
Like they're supposed to be these great spies, counter-intelligence specialists, and shifty (possibly backstabby) politicians almost like Fuedal era Earth. But we hardly ever see any. I know they're stealthy but let ME see them as the audience, dammit.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 Star Wars has had the problem of the bigger projects treating the setting as much smaller than it actually is for a long time. If it isn't a storm trooper of a Jedi, or something interchangeable with them, executives don't care about it
Star Wars EU Legends are full of bizarre and over the top stuff in the lore
It’s really not. I urge you to actually read any EU
The Iron Knights - a sect of Droid Jedi
I never thought of them as droid jedi, more like human-sized mech suits for their diminutive hosts.
@@shadowslayer205Absolutely. But you and I both know if we were in the Star Wars universe as Iron Knights, we would absolutely screw with people by convincing them we’re Force-using droids. 🤣
@@pwnorbepwned There was a running joke like that in a Star Wars RP I was a part of. It didn't feature iron knights, but we'd occasionally run into a conspiracy nut who was convinced that "droid jedi spies" were infiltrating galactic society. [It didn't help that our group DID have a droid who could use a lightsaber, but it wasn't a force-sensitive droid.]
The iron knights sound cool. Fulfills the "force sensitive droid" concept with a cool loophole.
Yup! The droid isn’t, but the crystalline alien piloting it is, so it *looks* like the droid is.
Well the new canon has sentient rock-giants that are Force-sensitive. That makes the Iron Knights seem tame by comparison.
And kyber crystals prove that even completely non-living rocks can be infused with Force power.
There's been like eight different species of sentient crystals and rocks in star wars
This reminds me of the immortal Rur from the doctor aphra series who was a Jedi that was trapped in a crystal and had technopathy and the ability to take over droids.
Aphra stories are definitely the funnest in new canon. I remember when immortal Rur met luke and even fought vader and the interactions were sick,
I could see Baird Kantoo being interested and worried about the shards if he meet them especially if it's after Baird created the Khyber saber. Rowan would probably get along with the iron knights though.
The concept of the Iron Knights has been my favorite type of Jedi. Sentient crystals housed in nearly whatever type of doid you could think of could allow for some wild creativity in the right media. Would love for them to make it into live-action or animation.
I think the vast diversity is amazing because we know all living things touch the force so see different force user is interesting
I must've played through that book series 100 times or more, bored during school holidays. Huge nostalgia trip seeing you bring those up Eck.
Imagine if someone planted a Shard in the body of Grievous.
Gotta love Star Wars lore
My favorite story in tales of the bounty hunters deals with 4 lom envisioning himself amongst jedi at an academy but this never came to be obviously
I like Star Wars when it's weird, remember this is all based on Flash Gorden. To me, droid, tree, and bunny Jedi goes back to that OT idea of the Force. It's universal and it doesn't matter that your a muppet frog man you can be a Jedi master.
I remember Star Wars Missions. One book came along with every copy of Star Wars Kids magazine.
Hey Eck! Loving these videos, I would love to see you talk about sith alchemy more. Not so much just talking about it but maybe discussing the potential it might have? I’ve always felt like Nightsister magic has been the closest thing to Sith Alchemy we’ve seen, not including Palpatines very few on screen appearances using it. I can see the possibility of Nighsister magic even being a “watered down” form of sith alchemy. You’re killing it Eck, keep it up!
the iron knights and that species i think is cool, i like that they can be jedi and some are force sensitive. they also can live for about 1000 years, alot longer then most species
Had a video idea. Do you think the battle of yavin would have gone differently ha Grand Moff Tarkin not taken command away from Director Krennic? Do you think he would have listened to the junior officer when they said that there is a weakness and retreated?
I like the idea of a droid Jedi that has a non talking sentient rock that only it can communicate with but appears to be talking to itself. Reminds me of the dude in TESV Dawnguard that can supposedly talk with Arkay
Oh. My. God. I wasn't ever expecting someone to bring up The Elder Scrolls here, and _especially_ not Florentius Baenius
I've always wondered about something similar. If a droid and a kyber crystal could form a sort of symbiotic bond like these droids did. Using an AI to interpret the intent of the Crystals and by extension the force. I always thought the idea was way too out there, though.
After the first two original movies came out people would sit around smoking dole and come up with all this wild crazy stuff that was possible in the Star Wars world. We could use some of that type of creativeness nowadays instead of remaking and in most cases ruining old blockbusters
I remember Tom Veitch said something like he got Dark Empire's story from a trip. So that's not too far off...
Actually really like the idea of the iron knights, it really drives the idea that the force truly is all around the universe that Star wars takes place in and that it can do incredible things such as making minerals come to life without a doubt given their sentience. I wish Disney would actually take some notes given the various different creatures that become Jedi it would just have added more spice and magic to their works. I do hope one day we actually get to see a live-action star dragon, the Duiwinguin, in a movie or show.
I’ve always been fascinated by the Oraxian Shards, and really, I don’t think they’re all that unusual. We’ve seen living alien species piloting droid bodies before, and we’ve seen living alien species look like they’re made of rocks. This is just a melding of both of those ideas; a crystalline alien species that pilots droid bodies. Some are Force-sensitive, so when they use the Force while in a droid body, they appear to be a Force-using droid, but they’re really not.
There’s more lore to them too. They’re born in clusters and communicate with each other via electromagnetic pulses. Republic explorers on Orax discovered these pulses and investigated, revealing the Shard species to them. The Republic then made translator boxes a Shard could be placed into, translating their pulses into audible Basic, and vice-versa. Then, they went further, and developed a method for retrofitting droid bodies to install one of these boxes instead of a memory core, allowing the Shard to control the droid body instead of a computer. Their ability to receive electromagnetic pulses as information makes them naturally responsive to droid sensors giving them physical feedback as well.
For those Shards who were granted droid bodies to walk around in, a whole new universe was opened up for them to explore, and several were overcome with wanderlust to experience it. Orax became a part of the Republic, and the Shards would typically deal in droid parts to make bodies for themselves. Force-sensitive Shards were already more curious about the world outside their family clusters than most, so they would take to droid bodies even more readily.
It should be noted that Aqinos, mentioned in the video, had already been kicked out of the Jedi order for his philosophies on droids and the Force *before* he ever met any Force-sensitive Oraxian Shards. He discovered them later, in his exile, on Orax, and took 13 of them (a mother and her children) on as apprentices, eventually becoming the first Iron Knights, after they all moved to Dweem.
What’s funny about their surviving Order 66 on account of people not looking for “Jedi droids” is Palpatine himself was aware of them, making them High Marshals in the Clone Wars even when the Jedi did not recognize them as Jedi.
One fun story is that the super-non-canon story of Skippy the Jedi Droid was at one point going to be made canon in the EU by retconning that he was actually an Iron Knight in hiding. This was deemed “too weird” by the author who would have done this, so she didn’t. A droid secretly being a Jedi crystal-alien hiding in a droid? Makes sense. The red droid in ANH blowing up because the one piloting it saw a vision that the galaxy would be doomed if Luke became friends with him instead of Artoo? Too weird. 😅
I’ve never heard of Shards using other Shards as lightsaber crystals. Considering Aqinos was kicked out by the Jedi before meeting any Shards, it makes me doubt that that was the reason he was kicked out either. Shards are also typically too big for lightsabers. Justin has likely done more research on the subject than I have, but that part seems especially dubious. However, Shards in the Iron Knights did typically name themselves after lightsaber crystals still, like Ilum and Luxum, so maybe a source got that confused and literally interpreted it as meaning some Shards were lightsaber crystals? I’m not sure, but I’m curious where that factoid comes from.
Did you know that Aqinos is a reference to Thomas Aquinas, who was one of the most famous medieval philosophers? At first, Aquinas was considered a borderline heretic for trying to include the then newly rediscovered teachings from Aristotle into Catholic theology, but eventually his ideas were accepted by his contemporaries and later he was deemed one of the greatest philosophers of the Church.
Btw, this version of Skippy would actually be kinda cool.
The force moves through all things.
That outro never gets old
Let's get funky with it I say! Kaiju jedi, hivemind jedi, gelatinous jedi, hard-light jedi, gaseous jedi, sentient planet jedi, viral jedi, and finally Shaun Claude van Damme jedi.
6:07 I played that video game when I was younger that giants sand creature terrified me! I was glad I was able to go around the level skip it. So I could complete the game but don't have to play that level.
Literal “Jedi Rocks”
Didn't tales of the jedi have a jedi master who was basically a giant brain in a jar?
He's a robot and a jedi, with a living crystal piloting the robot like a mech. That to me sounds bloody excellent
My Star Wars D&D character that I want to play is basically a SBD Iron Knight powered by a Kyber Crystal, but as the Padawan and Crystal were bonding, Order 66 happens and the Padawan was killed. This sent his soul into the crystal, where he wakes up some years later.
Its about time that they give droids some well-deserved love
New violet paradox Pokémon just dropped.
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Blimey, I actually played this little book game briefly. My parents kinda just didn't like me doing star wars, but couldn't stop the fan, even if they banned the legos, etc. Super awesome.
I like the diversity and particularly strange Jedi. And Force-sensitive droids having magic Force-sensitive rocks in them makes perfect sense as to how non-living things would interface with the Force
I actually wish they could have appeared in the clone wars. It would have made for a good episode about diversity and stuff like that. I remember mace windu doesn't really like these guys Plus it could have piggy backed off of that Nintendo wii game Star Wars Light saber duels the last level in the game anakin has to fight a bunch of enhanced droids that could match a jedi and a sith Their power comes from the kyber crystals as well as these iron knight shards jedi fused together and corrupted plus this little shortcut Gives them the ability to use the force
Miss windu. Excellenté.
Star Wars has enough diversity
I see your Iron Knight, and I raise you one _Skippy the Jedi Droid_
Well, regular Kyber crystals too are usually considered to be almost sentient and without a dubt have strong connection to the force (despite having no midichlorian).
I don't think it'd be that crazy if another type of force connected crystal existed that it was even more "intelligent" than kyber 😄
Who were the massive dragon species in the thrawn trilogy? Looks cool but I don’t know how to spell it for google lol😅
Duinuogwuin.
My personal favorite weird species to be a Jedi was Nem Bees, the only example of an Ortolan Jedi. Ortolan are the little blue elephant looking guys that Max Rebo was a species of.
In Darth Plagueis' notes he mentioned that midichlorians can exist on rock-based lifeforms. Instead of being part of their cells, they form lattice-like structures on the stone. This can both explain how the Shards and Spook Crystals were able to use the Force and Force-related abilities. (the notes also mention the link between midichlorians and conciousness and imo explains how some droids and space stations *cough cough* Starforge *cough* could've become sentient when exposed to certain extremities of Dark Side influence and power)
I Love the Iron Knights. I wanted to do a RPG character which would be a Droid trying to find a Shard to bond with to become a Jedi. Kind of like the Tin Woodsman from Wizard of Oz looking for a heart.
Interesting to think the largest surviving civilization of force sensitives could be a pile of rocks on some backwater capable of taking over machines of various sizes and functions, imagine if one took over a separatist ship or a Droid factory.
Iron Knights is literally what T0-B1 "Tobi" from the Season 1 of Star Wars Visions was inspired by, if I had to guess.
I always liked the Iron Knights as a concept.
What about Master Ikrit aka Space Eevee
these guys are my favorite rare star wars little guys. I almost played one in a star wars ttrpg game
Star Wars has always been about whacky, weird, and cool stuff in general existing purely on the virtue that it is whacky, weird, and cool. I think that these sentient rock droid Jedi is just another testament to that and a good one.
Yes definitely the droid video
I love a good sapient robot race, and these ones seem pretty cool. I like the idea that what we consider life, and what the force considers life, are clearly different to some extent. The question you pose in an interesting one, without blood, how do they access midicholrians? We’ll probably never know and I for one am fine with that
I can't wait for Dark Droids. It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Because of the elements of Arthurian folklore in Star Wars the Jedi have always been a composite of Arthur himself (Luke) and Merlin (Obi Wan). It makes sense that some Jedi would lean entirely into one category or another.
the Thing with fictional Concepts like Space Magic and Midichlorians show: It's not always better to demystify your Mysteries and i hope the writers just ignore certain things rather then explain why Non-Carbon life forms can interact with the Force. Besides that Silicon Based are already quite a stable in SciFi for "living Stones".
Besides good intentions and that we Humans want to understand our enviroment, when it comes to fictional Stuff, less is really more, like Tom Bombadil, a Figure and Story does nothing to advance the Plot or got explained really in any way, but Fans are still mad that he wasn't in the Movie and Tolkien himself said that Tom is one of the mysteries of the World of Arda.
Yes, he helps the Hobbits at the burrows, but they come out the same way as they entered, Tolkien invented the side-quest
I always wanted to play one in Star Wars SAGA edition with a replica droid body
Shards are easy: think of a big Khyber Crystal that's conscious
we need more wierd aliens thus yes to rocks and trees
Just a theory on my part, the life/ intelligence of the Iron knight wasn't so mycelium the crystal inside the knight but maybe the energy field within the crystal, it could costume energy, excrete waste energy and maybe even reproduce via splitting off another energy field.
As for unusual Jedi species, I had one that was a Noghri jedi. Obviously this would have had to had taken place after the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Bushai would have been one to think (or meditate) before acting whenever possible.
Reminds me of the JK-13 droids that had a force sensitive eel inside of them
Major takwaway:
the Iron Knights Rock
My man found a dwarven ruin and forgot what universe he was in.
I’ve always LOVE these robots! It makes battle droid Jedi possible!
you should do a video on the eco damage to endor after return and maybe cover the emergency evacuation of the planet
They're not rocks or trees, but the first Jedi Knight game from LucasArts had the dark Jedi Pic and Borc. Pic was tiny and jumped around with a mini lightsaber years before Yoda did, while Borc was a barely mobile hulk with a lightsaber blade like a telephone pole. It made for unconventional combat.
Man Eck, don’t you know you have to take the Demp 2 on the Coruscant mission… it kills all those droids in like 2 seconds 😂😂😂
Force Sensitive Droids? Damn Skippy.
Droid Jedi is a neat concept. A way to avoid order 66.
Its an interesting concept. Especially today when we view kyber crystals as living in the force.
The FORCE is in all things it binds the galaxy together so a droid could be a jedi
So the chrystiline entity from star trek. Neat
Damn, I used to have that book RPG series, but only to book 6 or so. No idea what happened to it.
I have to assume that FLTCH-series battle droids contain a Fetzer valve serviced with 3-in-1 oil and gauze pads.
Just a tree 🌳???
"I AM GROOT..."
Be honest... I am not the only one who thought that.
We need octopus Jedi and dolphin Jedi.
I like the idea of ancient Sentinel Droids, of a Force Using Civilisation. Similar to what we've seen in Jedi Fallen Order actually.
But using the Force, I dunno.
In Disney Star Wars, kyber crystals are supposed to be Force Sensitive despite not being organic, so I guess that's not a new idea.
In that Assassin Droid mission in Jedi Academy, the D-EMP passes through their shields
Just in case you didn't know
Living rocks in droids? Sounds like T0-B1 from Visions, though in that case it was just a droid that was force sensitive via the kyber inside him.
I'm using one in my ttrpg campaign
I am wondering if the iron knights will reappear in star wars.
I love weird jedi/species. Makes the universe feel bigger and weirder
I am surprised Master Thon wasn't mentioned alongside Anakin Solo's Jedi critter friend.
Thank you for my next Star Wars FFG character.
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I always thought the Iron Knights were Kyber Crystals that acted as the brain and soul inside modified druid bodies.
Could honestly see an iron knight whose crystal is installed in a magnaguard. Lightsaber forms already programmed in and able to use the force.
I really like the idea of strange jedi knights. Every living thing (or even not living as I learnt from this video) can be force sensitive and force is not used only for fighting. So it makes perfect sense.
I wonder if there are some lower force sensitive creatures like animals, insects or even microorganisms which uses force to protect themself from bacteria or something :D I mean, there should be things like that :D
As rocks i would assume they used The Cosmic Force over The Living Force.
Don't forget about 4-LOM, though I think his force abilities stayed pretty tenuousness, even in legends. Mostly just visions.
Anything that migrates away from telekinetic bacteria is fine by me.