The 1 ESSENTIAL Upgrade Every KTM 790/890 Adventure R Needs to Immediately Improve Your Riding!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The KTM 790/890 Adventure R is the ultimate off-road Adventure Motorcycle and this affordable upgrade takes it to the next level! In this video I breakdown the ultimate upgrade for my KTM 790 Adventure R motorcycle. This makes my adventure motorcycle brake, accelerate, handle even better and improves overall comfort.
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How much it's cost you 🙏
@@abdulazizsaleh9567 depends on the rates of your local suspension technician and the brand of valves they use. Approximate $750USD.
@Dennis V K Tech I believe 🤙
Who did your suspension I'm on W.A as well?
I'm a 200-lbs rider on the stock suspension. Best suspension I've ever experienced on an adventure bike. I think a lot people over spring this bike. The valving seems very good at my weight on stock springs.
Im 180 lbs with gear, with softer springs my 890R can go thru some amazing terrain and just soak it all up. I would be wary of these magic fixes for "only 800.00".
I know that many dont even check their sag, they just send forks and shocks out for a re-do.
Always remember, suspension wizards only make a living if you get their work done.
All are experts, which makes one hell of a lot of experts all with a different idea.
Try a few mods on your own if it seems stiff is what I tell people.
Had a yr 2020 t7 and a 2022 890r along side each other whilst I was undecided. Spent a fortune on the t7 with suspension and power mods and no denying I loved that bike. The ktm handling and power just puts a bigger smile on my dial. Another big added bonus for me is the tech, cruise/quick shifter /tft phone&music etc. Yes currently $6k more for the ktm, it was almost $9k at one point. Both great bikes, all bikes are great. What were we talking about?? 😁
I really like the Tenere too, especially the engine. But as you say the price difference is there for a reason. The KTM chassis, engine and electronics pack are excellent.
I hope Yamaha add some beefier suspension and electronics to the Tenere World Raid in the future - it still doesn’t even have cruise control!
I’m 260 lbs and I can say I finally found a bike that I didn’t actually have to make suspension changes. I’ve done lot of miles off road and even did a few small doubles at the mx track messing around and I am shocked at how well it performs for me. I messed with it a bit when I first owned it and actually just went back to the stock settings as that was most comfortable for me
Absolutly wonderful! I have been quite stressed today but watching this has calmed me down,, Thanks so much. Such a wonderful place!
Western Australia is the best 🤘
Couldn't agree with you more. I had my 790 revalved, ktech forks and spring and some fancy ktech off road valve system. It's a totally different bike and I look it. Costed me 1500 NZD. Best money spent on the bike
Interesting. I’m still breaking my 890 in but so far no real complaints over the suspension, but I have yet to fully test. I have followed a similar process with my KTM 300 and added the Dal Saggio XP One kit which has been a big improvement.
Oh the suspension is pretty great out of the box - way better than the competition. But like I said, you soon really notice the stiffness and harshness.
My '23 890 Adventure had a similar chattering feel and sound over rocky bumpy terrain with the front end twitching a bit. I fixed it myself for free!
I am an engineer by trade. My bike had the USA OEM tires (Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR). My suspension damping for the forks and the shock were set to the original factory 'standard' settings, while the shock preload was adjusted for 30% sag with me on the bike. I weigh 188 lbs. with my gear on. I started experimenting with the tire pressures, KTM recommended 35psi up front and 42 psi on the rear after the 600 mile break-in. Riding both dirt and paved roads on every day-trip ride in the mountains of SW Virginia, I dropped the rear pressure to 35 which made the dirt handling far better than 42 psi (which was way to bumpy with poor traction in dirt). So then I rode on 35/35psi for another 500 miles or so but I was just not happy with this pressure, as its was clearly too high for our rocky dirt roads and it caused the bike to bounce around with jarring shocks through the handlebars as mentioned. but I felt that this was way too high for really rock strewn dirt roads. I carry a 12V moto tire pump in a small tail bag, so out on the trail I can lower or raise the tire pressure with little effort. I decided to experiment with tire pressures. I adjusted the pressures on both F&R tires to the same value. I iterated the tire pressures down or up and then rode on one of my 'go to' rock strewn bouncy mountain dirt roads which comes out on a recently paved secondary road that itself twists and turns up into the mountains. For each pressure setting I tested, I rode both the rough dirt section then a mile or two of the paved section. I started with (the stock) 35psi/35psi , then 30psi/30psi, then 25psi/25psi, and finally 20psi/20psi. While the stability on the rocky dirt road was my main focus, for another data point I also noted the handling on the paved section as well.
35 psi : the handling on the rocky dirt road was almost scary, the bike was bouncing off of rocks (some stick up out of the hard clay by 3-5 inches), the front wheel was very skiddish and unsure in footing. I was glad to get off of that road! On the paved section the bike handled nicely but even small bumps were transmitted through the handlebars and seat. In very sharp turns I could feel when the tires were starting to loose traction. The most excellent stock WP suspension on the 890 Adventure (non-R) transmits this incipient tire slip information very clearly to the rider.
30 psi : on the rocky dirt road the ride was slightly softer and the bike felt noticeably more planted, the tires were not bouncing or deflecting as much (compared to 35psi) except on the very largest of rocks. The front wheel was clearly more stable in footing. On the paved section the bike handled very nicely and the small bumps noticed with 35psi seemed to disappear. The handlebars had much less vibration and overall the bike felt pretty good. The non-R version of the 890 Adventure, being a bit closer to the ground, handles more like a sport bike on pavement in spite of its 21" front wheel. The 30psi/30psi pressures felt highly competent and allowed great handling on fast curves and when accelerating or braking hard. Incipient tire slip information was again clearly transmitted to the rider.
25 psi : the handling on the rocky dirt road was smoother and even more planted (compared to 30psi , the bike was rolling over most of the rocks with little drama or transmitted shock. The front wheel was not glancing off the rocks so much as rolling over them. The greater compliance of the tires did seem to slow the bike's famed quickness in tight S turn transitions. On the paved section the bike was very smooth, almost soft as most small bumps disappeared. However, in turns or on small rise and falls, the handling felt noticeably more sluggish and in hard turns, I could feel the tires wiggling a little as the sidewalls deflected? Perhaps the lower pressure allowed the tire to distort its shape in fast, hard turns. Running straight on tarmac the ride felt Cadillac smooth but when braking the front end dive was too much which gave the me much less confidence (compared to 30 psi tires).
20 psi: The bike's handling felt somewhat lethargic, but on straight sections of the rocky road the ride was smoother. But in turns, transitions or on little jumps or bunny hops the handling felt sloppy compared to 25psi or 30 psi tires. The traction of the Pirelli rear tire when running straight in the dirt was the best at this low pressure, but overall, the bike's handling was sloppy and imprecise. Also on the rocky dirt road I worried about getting a bent rim. On the paved section, the handling was relatively poor and cornering got a bit scary with the tires wiggling around a lot. The bike felt heavy and insecure. The feeling was close to riding on a tire going flat. No bueno.
Over the ensuing months, I kept experimenting. For the time being, I have settled on 30.5 lbs in the front and 31.0 lbs in the rear. This works very well for the street, providing excellent handling with great tire feedback in turns. In the dirt, these pressures are a little too high but if I slow down a just bit to compensate.
Rattling Noises: the 890 Adventure has several plastic panels that can cause loud rattling sounds when riding on rough dirt roads. This incessant rattling can really get irritating to some riders (like me) as the noise exacerbates rider stress when riding on any rough or rocky roads. I removed the little plastic 'tool carriers' on inside of each side panel and then taped down and added foam insulation to 6-7 several wires under the seat that were vibrating and striking against plastic panels and making lots of noise. Also, the kickstand can start moving when bouncing hard on dirt roads, and it can made a very loud metallic hammer-on-anvil 'knock" sound as it recovers. A tiny amount of heavy duty, high torque grey Permatex silicone on each metal face where the raised up kickstand stops (let it cure for 24 hours) eliminates most of this loud knock sound. This kickstand can also use a thin nylon or plastic shim on its main mounting bolt to take up excess slack which causes some of this knocking noise.The bike is much more satisfying to ride w/o all the rattles and knocks gone.
Fell asleep 7 times reading that….
Check the sag on your 890/790. Mine had less than an inch with me sitting on it in stock form...with zero pre-load.............I couldnt reach the ground with either foot and it rode rock hard............I went to Slaven's site and got a spring for the back 2 ratings softer. It worked. I also got springs for the front 1 setting softer but havent put them in yet...............KTM says 90mm of sag is good.............Mine works pretty darn good just with the softer rear spring, way better...............also set it to KTM "comfort settings".................it works, I can do 500 miles at a sitting...............or spend the big bucks on a complete re-do. Everybody does it different.
My sag was all good and I ran my settings somewhere around the comfort-off-road recommendations.
It definitely helped, but not as good as it can be. Getting the re-valve and changing to equal function forks is a remarkably big difference. It’s not just about softness/firmness, it’s also changes the feel throughout the stroke, providing better traction and stability.
Now there is plushness and some ‘softness’ without blowing through the stroke. Still great hold up.
G’day, what riders sag do you recommend as there are so many varied figures getting thrown around. Cheers
@@jimmcmahon9317 1/3 of travel is sag on all bikes.
@@TheMotoBarista Its funny. Some riders with an 890R say their sag is just right with stock springs....and just about as many found what I found....almost no sag with stock springs. 180lb rider. How can each bike be different from the next one?
A lot of what suspension wizards do is sales work, it has to be for them to make a living.
Ive heard so many suspension wizards say what the magic fix is, simply putting in softer springs on mine fixed 90% of its harshness. With 13,500 miles on it I dont really have any complaints. How your sag could be all good with stock springs, and mine be 3 spring rates off.................it is what it is.
Springs and a revalve is about $500 USD, and it's totally worth it if you are heavier and/or ride aggressively.
where?
Thanks for sharing and very nice presentation!
What wind deflector are you running on your own bike? It looks like a good and adjustable deflector
I experience the same stiff suspension on my 2022 890. your video is spot on. can you provide a link to the suspension you use to replace the stock one, as well as other expensive valve options?
Hi, thanks for your videos :)
Could you please give us the reference of what you installed ?
Thanks :)
Looks like they've been paying attention to people. It's been adjusted in the 2023 to be softer in the initial stroke. People seems to think it makes a real difference.
Yeh, I think Birchy had a big influence on that change. Forks are still seperate function so will still be worth the re-valve for equal function.
@@TheMotoBarista Please do not assume that equal function forks are (always?) better. Your tech argued that WP's (advanced) design goes against "Suspension 101". In my own engineering design studies, the 101 courses are general surveys that discuss only basic familiar public-domain designs that have been around for many years, rather that state of the art designs that are only found in advanced courses, or a few patent applications and white papers. Sadly, many advanced designs never see the light of day as they are held as proprietary company secrets to prevent intellectual theft. Having said that, it would be Really Nice if WP offered retrofit valving kits to tune high speed damping with clear instruction for use. For my '23 KTM 890 Adventure (S) I want to mod only the Compression fork.
Splitting hairs for the more experienced off-road rider, for most the stock suspension is just spot on
I’d disagree, suspension benefits everyone at all levels. It helps improve traction which in turn helps braking, stability, handling etc.
@@TheMotoBarista Mine works tits to the wind with just sag set right, the right springs.
Who woulda thought? Ive ridden dirtbikes since I was a child, and set up a lotta different suspension.
Hello Michael, tx for the video. Can you help me understand what the suspension specialist will do, type of work, what kind of changes are made, other hardware? Is it front and rear? tx for your response in advance, Peter
It’s all in the video mate. I explain how he revalved the shock and increased cavitation and how he revalved forks including converting them to equal function 🤘
I wonder what the contact details are for the suspension tech guy is?
@@Jonathan-L I can’t in good conscience share his details as he doesn’t like working on adventure bikes 🤣 He really did me a favour with this!
@@TheMotoBarista LoL!
@@TheMotoBarista So I have to fly to Australia visit your Suspension guru to get the thing done? You know RUclips is global, so but that in the teaser.
Gday Moto Barista
Enjoying watching your videos very informative.
Im new to adventure bikes and have just purchased the 2020 ktm adventure 790R
Can you please forward the suspension business details that did the work on your bike
I like the improvements you were able to achieve
Cheers Mike
I like the k-tech conversion, but giving up rebound adjustability seems daft.
Compression not rebound. The stock adjustable compression valve is a mid valve not a base valve, has little to no affect.
@@TheMotoBarista indeed. But the purpose of a k-tech conversion on say an exc is to make all clickers very effective!
@@miro_s I know, I’m an ideal world it would be amazing for a fully adjustable equal function fork conversion - like an exc. Unfortunatelythose big axle lugs on the 790 prevent externally adjustable valves 😩
Thoughts on the claimed changes to the 2023 890R suspension? I know its impossible when the bike isn't even out but would be interesting to see if the changes help. Looking to get a 890R in the next few years here!
Not sure what has changed apart from claiming it is more comfortable for travel/long days. I think that means softer/plusher feel. But no confirmation about whether softer springs or a change in valving (probably the latter). However the valve quality still won’t be great and will still be seperate function forks. If I got a new 890, I’d still get the suspension revalved.
Hi
Great video 👍
I sold my 890r because of the harsh suspension! I got a Norden 901 now with hyoerpro springs and it feels better than before. A friend of mine is selling his 890r suspension and he offered it to me. Would it be any different on the Norden? I'm having a hard time deciding since I like the comfort of the nordens' suspension but haven't taking it to some hard off-road terrain yet!
Thanks
Hi there.. have you ever measured the full rear wheel travel on the 890 adv R? I have done it by strapping it down to the bottom with straps, and I have only 140mm of travel from axel to sag measuring point🤔🤔 and should have 240mm
What wind deflector do you have attached to your windscreen? What are your thoughts on it?
Just a generic non brand. Works great makes a huge difference when on the road and doesn’t get in the way off-road.
Good Info...
Hey what is the screen attachment you have on top?
Who did the suspension work for you? Can you provide contact details
Hi there. I have a 2019 790 Adv R (warranty replacement) and just had the rear shock replaced w 7K on the clock. You mentioned revalving might be a good idea for the bike. I was wondering who you used for the revalving? Thanks mate love your videos. Kris.
Hey mate, I used a local suspension tech in Perth called Endurowetech. He explained to me that the issue with the rear shock is poor cavitation in the valving causing excess pressure.
I can’t go in full detail because honestly, I don’t fully understand the suspension wizardry and terminology.
Hi I have a 790 adv R, and it suffers from the chatttering and skittishness that you describe you experienced with your bike. Did you do any thing to the rear suspension, and if so what was it. Also do you know anyone in Victoria that could help with this problem?
Hi mate, the rear suspension was also revalved too. You could also look into a steering stabiliser, I found this and the suspension re-valving to provide a drastic change to the bike. Unfortunately I don’t know any suspension techs in Victoria but I’m sure a local Facebook group could help you out.
Adventure R bone stock come with 240mm travel, what sag do you run front & back? 70mm? Thanks
Yeh, around that 30% mark.
Nice concept. How many miles were on the bike when you made the modification?
About 15'000kms
This is exactly what we did to my KTM 500 EXCF. This bike however does allow for compression settings on the bottoms of the fork. In addition to valving I’m wondering if you did anything with the spring rates for the shock and forks? For me on my 500 I had to go up several Spring rates in the front and rear because I weigh approximately 215 pounds without gear so with gear I’m closer to 240 pounds. This is way too much for the stock spring rates. Not sure on the 890 but I have my ion getting one and wondered what your experience was. Thank you very much.
Hey! Yeh I have heard many doing a similar conversion with exc forks and like you said you can access external compression valves with them.
I kept my spring rates the same, I am about 180 pounds in riding gear and luggage. So think the standard spring rates are almost perfect for me.
Some adventure ✨️ ☺️...I'll look at your flog later ...seems to be a fun to watch...👌🏻🙂
Standard spring rate range is 165-187 pounds. I'm thinking of going up a step myself because I noticed maxing out my preload when my bike was at it's heaviest during an adventure ride. @@TheMotoBarista
I Nall fairness the ktm 890 adventure r is 5k 🇺🇸 more than the tenere and you still have to revalve the suspension?? So if you revalve the tenere you get the same result
Not at all. The suspension is very different. The Tenere needs at least re-springing and re-valving to hold up for off-road riding but still not on the level of the 890. The Tenere only has 43mm tubes (off a YZ85) compared to the 48mm and less travel.
For example Pol Tarres on his bike has added 48mm tubes to his Tenere but this requires custom fabrication of triple trees, axle lugs and a few other issues.
@@TheMotoBarista both kyb buddy
@@gabrielkopp2036 what do you mean? I know the Yammies are KYB?
@@TheMotoBarista all I'm saying is for the money I would just get a tiger 900 rally pro..and I could upgrade the tenere and still be less than msp on the 890 r
@@gabrielkopp2036 each to their own. I love the Tiger and the Tenere for their own reasons - but the chassis, electronics, suspension, engine for off-road is why I love the 790/890 R platform. If I didn’t ride as much off-road or as technical, I wouldn’t have this bike though.