Oh man, your channel is very quickly becoming one of my favorite channels on you tube. I do an old classic weapons martial art and this comparison between jujutsu and judo was so informative to get.
Monsieur Chadi has earned a terrific reputation for high integrity to pure classical Judo while yet being very open minded and relaxed. His respect, love and dedication for it all shines bright in the quality of his each and every video. I find him super inspiring and even though he remains grounded and humble his all-encompassing knowledge is there for all of us to see.
@@Chadi I thank you a million times for just being who you are and the way you are - and even if you did not help us all so much with your videos - still you would be you ! Your work does not add to your value - it is you who are making such valuable work - et , pour ça nous avons tous beaucoup de reconnaisançes. 🙏😊 Miel Surya, Bombay, l'Inde.
@@goodtimes2hellyeah169 they are indeed effective but taking the leg overlaps too much with wrestling. The up side is the spectacular throws we regularly see. The down side is that Judo is diminished. I would like to see leg grabbing waza allowed in lower level competition and not at elite level.
One prominent figure in grappling history is Mataemon Tanabe of Fusen-ryu jujitsu school. His fist challenge with Takisaburo Tobari in 1981( rematch in 1982). Holds victories over some high ranking judoka. Including Yoshitsugu Yamashita (one of Four Guardians). With some matches in 1898 and the last in 1900. Although not enrolled into the Kodokan, Tanabe did have heavy influence on the development of ne-waza and Kosen Judo. Another point of why he is relevant is because Fusen-ryu jujitsu is full system with weapons, unarmed combat. But what do I know.
The kibisu gaeshi you showed at 2:42 does look a lot like a forgotten throw in Karate called Node Osae. Iian Abernathy explained it really good in his work as pragmatic traditional karateka. You can look the technique up in following video at 3:14
Amazing, video, Chadi. Your research is just phenomenal. Your channel is my favourite martial arts channel based on facts and logic. Facts which have probably woken a lot of mis-guided souls up.
Absolutely amazing and informative video again. You are by far my favorite martial arts channel next to one or two others. Your videos are way different than their though. Thank you for dedicating your time for us.
Chadi I fully agree with your assessment regarding todays sport oriented Judo. Bring back the baned techniques. They are effective and can be executed safely if one is properly trained. And are a boon to any individual interested defensive combat. Continue on your journey lad and God bless you and your family.
I love this video, some of these techniques have truly stood the test of time. I've personally used the guillotine to submit a larger opponent. I've also had the guillotine used on me when I attempted a double-leg takedown.
The kubisi gaeshi at 2:42 is the most recommended throw for BJJ as well. Though admittedly, the single/double leg are used way more AFAICT, despite the guillotine danger mentioned in the video.
Bro I freaking love ur channel bro...when I got interested in judo and jiu jitsu and found out it was a samurai art I just thought that was so interesting because I always was so interested in the techniques of the fiercest warriors in history...and I always had a hard time finding info on it but then ur channel was the one channel who actually took a deep dive on these matters....thank u so much for ur content Chadi ur a legend
No issues with the analysis, but for the sake of accuracy it should be pointed out that the techniques shown in this book are NOT Hoki-ryu. They come from Katayama-ryu kenjutsu, which is the parent art of Hoki-ryu and HR never included these techniques. In Katayama-ryu these techniques are credited as coming from Takeuchi-ryu. The book these photos came from uses the name “Hoki-ryu Jujutsu” but such an art historically never existed. The author of the book came across the Katayama-ryu documents that had been donated to the city of Iwakuni by the last head of Katayama-ryu before WWII. He recreated them and published this book showing what he thought the techniques were and called the art “Hoki-ryu jujutsu”. In more recent years he seems to have taken to calling it Katayama-ryu Kogusoku but in either case it’s not a historically transmitted art. The original documents however legitimately show the grappling techniques Katayama-ryu.
Chadi, how do you find these rare books? I also believe that we need a new competition categories for Judo: Olympic Judo, kubudo Judo (old school Judo and Jujutsu, with leg takedowns, etc), Nezawa Judo and free Judo (free grappling). This would reunite the BJJ and Judo and allow the effective older techniques to be reintegrated back into the sport/art.
Oh, well, if someone says it can work in HEMA then that really is the last absolute word on it. They know everything after all. They're not obnoxious cvnts like those BJJ weenies. No, not at all.
I was just giving an example of a ruleset that has both swords and wrestling. Not sure why you felt the need to come in here with some sort of snarky bullshit, I wasn't making any sort of comment towards the superiority of one art over another... that shit is all in your head, brother.
For the past few years there have been discussions about removing the sport of wrestling from the Olympics! With that being said if that becomes a reality do you think that the full technical syllabus of Judo will make a return in competition regarding all the excluded or banned techniques such as leg grabs as well as extended time for ne-waza.
Thank you so much for this amazing video, dear Chadi. This wonderful book is available somewhere ? I'm french and i don't always understand exactly what is said 😅
I would let the Olympic rules as they are, but would create a 'freestyle judo' competition set in parallel. Hobby judokas like me would benefit immensely from it, as the real Judo heritage, as a complete martail (well, at leasr grappling) art would be restored. and on the long term it would draw masses into the art as well
Can I say the quiet part out loud? The Olympic committee destroys everything that it touches. Most recently, the committee took the deeply flawed WKF karate kumite and wrecked it by removing most of the takedowns because "it looked too much like judo." This should sound familiar because the committee thought that judo looked too much like wrestling, so they implemented a rule against leg grabbing. Soon, I suspect, they will outlaw swords in fencing because they look too much like javelins. I grieve every time a new sport is accepted into the Olympics.
You guys should do something akin to the BJJ globetrotters. Belt ranking based on rigorous peer review rather than rigid hierarchy. Official school framework made accessible without demanding financial tribute.
Thank you. What is the title of that book? I would like to buy for gifts. I appreciate your dedication to judo and martial arts. Techniques + History + practical application = effective old school judo
Even on all over the world, not just japan, wrestling was always been used in sword fight. This is because, people are wearing armor that cant be slashed by bladed weapons, so sometimes the easier way is just wrestling the opponent down
Why is Kibisu-gaeshi illegal in Judo. Looks like a completely normal take down technique. I do BJJ but i moved and now I'm training at a gym that does BJJ, judo, and Japanese Ju-jitsu on different days of the week.
Bujutsu refers to the full samurai arts curriculum. Jujitsu- h2h combat Kenjutsu- sword (Gekkiken is samurai sparing, a mix of kendo without rules and jujitsu) Iaijutsu- drawing the sword Tantojutsu- knife Bujutsu/ Jojotsu- staff Naginata- Halberd Yari- spear Kyujitsu- bow Teppojutsu- musket Kobudo- other various weapons.
I can attack omote sankaku from uki waza doing judo and not bjj. We have to study judo as a martial art not as a sport. Judo is a grappling art not a throwing sport.
Diato Ryu aikijujutsu is one out of several hundred systems. The “aiki” component exist n most systems but Diato Ryu specifically included the old sword principle into the description of the art.
Ancient Samurais? Will the real jujitsu stand up? Most people scoff at Aikido, but it's movements are also based on jujitsu techniques against armed combatants (the founder was a jujitsu practitioner). That is why they have those silly-looking overhand open palm strikes which are actually based on how to disarm bladed weapons. I did both aikido and judo while stationed in Japan for 12 years. All things considered, I prefer judo for its physicality.
There is no real jujutsu the schools were so different from each other. The ancestor school of aikido is very much not typical of jujutsu. And one of the main ancestors of judo (kito ryu) is extremely unusual as well but judo also had the influence of dozens of other schools making it more like the majority of schools.
@@ShadowrulzalwaysJujutsu schools are very diverse and most don't actually have much to do with warfare. Some look like aikido, most don't. Although most have a subset of techniques that are similar to aikido techniques.
Jujitsu was an aggressive art of war. Aikido transformed aikijujutsu into a study of motion and used a passive nature to reflect Shinto values. Judo transformed jujitsu from a combat art to a sport art. In Jujitsu you look to break something as you throw the opponent on their head or face then stab or choke them to death. Judo allows for break falls, removed small joint manipulations and trachea crushing methods and eventually removed striking.
Hahahaha ! 😂 Where is the razor blade sword in your theory and analysis ? You can loose your arm or your head at trying all that...🤌 I dont say its not real, but there is not even a plastic one in your practice
Sometimes unarmed samurai were successful against a swordsman. Sometimes not. Jujitsu comes from the sword in principles, techniques and methods. Jujitsu was created for the sole purpose to standing a chance against several enemies with edged weapons. And then t did pretty well hence why it stayed around for several centuries.
I can't stop laughing at the guy's face at 2:42 "hehehe, I've got you now..."
Oh man, your channel is very quickly becoming one of my favorite channels on you tube.
I do an old classic weapons martial art and this comparison between jujutsu and judo was so informative to get.
I really appreciate it
Monsieur Chadi has earned a terrific reputation for high integrity to pure classical Judo while yet being very open minded and relaxed. His respect, love and dedication for it all shines bright in the quality of his each and every video. I find him super inspiring and even though he remains grounded and humble his all-encompassing knowledge is there for all of us to see.
@@solarhoney i have no words to express my gratitude, i truly thank you 🙇🏻♂️
@@Chadi I thank you a million times for just being who you are and the way you are - and even if you did not help us all so much with your videos - still you would be you ! Your work does not add to your value - it is you who are making such valuable work - et , pour ça nous avons tous beaucoup de reconnaisançes. 🙏😊
Miel Surya,
Bombay,
l'Inde.
Well presented and spot on. The pendulum needs to swing back so that the wholesome nature of Judo is not lost.
The club I go does leg grabs, I find it strange they got rid of them as they’re so effective
@@goodtimes2hellyeah169 they are indeed effective but taking the leg overlaps too much with wrestling. The up side is the spectacular throws we regularly see. The down side is that Judo is diminished. I would like to see leg grabbing waza allowed in lower level competition and not at elite level.
One prominent figure in grappling history is Mataemon Tanabe of Fusen-ryu jujitsu school. His fist challenge with Takisaburo Tobari in 1981( rematch in 1982). Holds victories over some high ranking judoka. Including Yoshitsugu Yamashita (one of Four Guardians). With some matches in 1898 and the last in 1900. Although not enrolled into the Kodokan, Tanabe did have heavy influence on the development of ne-waza and Kosen Judo. Another point of why he is relevant is because Fusen-ryu jujitsu is full system with weapons, unarmed combat. But what do I know.
The kibisu gaeshi you showed at 2:42 does look a lot like a forgotten throw in Karate called Node Osae. Iian Abernathy explained it really good in his work as pragmatic traditional karateka. You can look the technique up in following video at 3:14
The big difference is that you crush the throat with the gripping hand instead of taking the Judogi
Amazing, video, Chadi. Your research is just phenomenal. Your channel is my favourite martial arts channel based on facts and logic. Facts which have probably woken a lot of mis-guided souls up.
Awesome Video. Chadi makes the best grappling vids out there
Thank you so much
I agree Chadi, good video and discourse!
Bring it back! Watching Rhadi work is enjoyable!
Absolutely amazing and informative video again. You are by far my favorite martial arts channel next to one or two others. Your videos are way different than their though. Thank you for dedicating your time for us.
I really appreciate it thank you
Great episode!
Chadi I fully agree with your assessment regarding todays sport oriented Judo. Bring back the baned techniques. They are effective and can be executed safely if one is properly trained. And are a boon to any individual interested defensive combat. Continue on your journey lad and God bless you and your family.
Thank you
Yes indeed, bring them back, because it is so needed. Question is how !?!
Chadi, that’s one of my favourite video so far!
We are doing all of these in BJJ and then some. Love the ankle pick a lot of times people don't see it coming.
Great techniques. I met Rhadi Ferguson and Karo Parisyan having breakfast at a hotel in Florida back in 2007. Both very friendly.
Your channel is so good my friend.
I love this video, some of these techniques have truly stood the test of time. I've personally used the guillotine to submit a larger opponent. I've also had the guillotine used on me when I attempted a double-leg takedown.
The kubisi gaeshi at 2:42 is the most recommended throw for BJJ as well. Though admittedly, the single/double leg are used way more AFAICT, despite the guillotine danger mentioned in the video.
Bro I freaking love ur channel bro...when I got interested in judo and jiu jitsu and found out it was a samurai art I just thought that was so interesting because I always was so interested in the techniques of the fiercest warriors in history...and I always had a hard time finding info on it but then ur channel was the one channel who actually took a deep dive on these matters....thank u so much for ur content Chadi ur a legend
Thank you so much 🙇🏻♂️
Thank you for the details.
like always. Very educative subject with good and clear comment. Keep up with the good work! 👊👊
No issues with the analysis, but for the sake of accuracy it should be pointed out that the techniques shown in this book are NOT Hoki-ryu. They come from Katayama-ryu kenjutsu, which is the parent art of Hoki-ryu and HR never included these techniques. In Katayama-ryu these techniques are credited as coming from Takeuchi-ryu.
The book these photos came from uses the name “Hoki-ryu Jujutsu” but such an art historically never existed. The author of the book came across the Katayama-ryu documents that had been donated to the city of Iwakuni by the last head of Katayama-ryu before WWII. He recreated them and published this book showing what he thought the techniques were and called the art “Hoki-ryu jujutsu”. In more recent years he seems to have taken to calling it Katayama-ryu Kogusoku but in either case it’s not a historically transmitted art. The original documents however legitimately show the grappling techniques Katayama-ryu.
Karo Parisyan's book on Judo for MMA is a wonderful resource.
Interesting video as always Chadi!
Awesome! Thank you 💮
what book did you get these drawings from?
Great video, very interesting.
Chadi, how do you find these rare books?
I also believe that we need a new competition categories for Judo: Olympic Judo, kubudo Judo (old school Judo and Jujutsu, with leg takedowns, etc), Nezawa Judo and free Judo (free grappling). This would reunite the BJJ and Judo and allow the effective older techniques to be reintegrated back into the sport/art.
I like this thought. A holistic martial art I guess
Just allow all takedowns and submissions... But we kind of already have that, it's submission wrestling.
That match with Jang was one of the greatest matches of all time
I completely agree, this should be the case across all Japanese martial arts/combat sports, Kendo, Aikido and Japanese Karate especially!
Why have I never heard of Rhadi Ferguson before. That guy is a monster
he's kimbos cousin
You see double legs in HEMA longsword competitions as well, so it definitely can apply to swordfighting.
Oh, well, if someone says it can work in HEMA then that really is the last absolute word on it. They know everything after all. They're not obnoxious cvnts like those BJJ weenies. No, not at all.
I was just giving an example of a ruleset that has both swords and wrestling. Not sure why you felt the need to come in here with some sort of snarky bullshit, I wasn't making any sort of comment towards the superiority of one art over another... that shit is all in your head, brother.
What?! I did not expect the guillotínelo to be ancient like that. Awesome
2:44 He's not just grabbing the ankle. His index finger is digging pressure into the tendon.
Thank you for pointing it out
Those photos look familiar! 😅Good video! Thanks!!
Preach Chad!
For the past few years there have been discussions about removing the sport of wrestling from the Olympics! With that being said if that becomes a reality do you think that the full technical syllabus of Judo will make a return in competition regarding all the excluded or banned techniques such as leg grabs as well as extended time for ne-waza.
Rhadi Ferguson was skilled, power-burst wrestler. Once he came up against someone who actually knew Judo, his bullshit ended quick.
これは興味深い！この史料は柔術が戦場での組討を想定した格闘技であることを如実に物語っていますね。タックルに来る相手をフロントチョークで迎撃する技術が16世紀から存在していたのには驚きです。
そしてChadi氏の主張に同意します。現代の講道館柔道は双手刈などの実践的な技を禁止するなど、武芸としての柔の起源に反しているようです。近代柔道の存在意義そのものを否定するわけではありませんが、並行して白兵戦術としての柔術も未来に継承していくべきでしょう。それが伝統だからではなく、実戦において有用で効率的だからです。
コメントありがとうございます
Thank you so much for this amazing video, dear Chadi. This wonderful book is available somewhere ? I'm french and i don't always understand exactly what is said 😅
I would let the Olympic rules as they are, but would create a 'freestyle judo' competition set in parallel. Hobby judokas like me would benefit immensely from it, as the real Judo heritage, as a complete martail (well, at leasr grappling) art would be restored. and on the long term it would draw masses into the art as well
Kodokan red and white Shiai rules are the best in my opinion
@@Chadi do you have a video on that? I don't know what those rules are
Chadi, where i can buy this book?
Awesome!
Can I say the quiet part out loud? The Olympic committee destroys everything that it touches.
Most recently, the committee took the deeply flawed WKF karate kumite and wrecked it by removing most of the takedowns because "it looked too much like judo."
This should sound familiar because the committee thought that judo looked too much like wrestling, so they implemented a rule against leg grabbing. Soon, I suspect, they will outlaw swords in fencing because they look too much like javelins.
I grieve every time a new sport is accepted into the Olympics.
i think a lot of these ancient drawings are actually kama sutra type positions
Way wrong, but hilarious.
😂
You guys should do something akin to the BJJ globetrotters. Belt ranking based on rigorous peer review rather than rigid hierarchy. Official school framework made accessible without demanding financial tribute.
Hi Chadi is it possible to get hold of that book? I am writing something about judo and want to integrate some of the old samurai methods
Where do you buy this book?
Great video Chadi!! But what happened with the sound? Mic ok? Sounds like fare away video conference connection. Nevertheless great!
Thank you, not my usual recording spot
i discover this video have Chinese subtitles，and the translation was really accurate
please what the name of that shadow samurai fotage?
wonderful
Glad you think so!
Thank you.
What is the title of that book?
I would like to buy for gifts.
I appreciate your dedication to judo and martial arts.
Techniques + History + practical application = effective old school judo
Hoki ryu jujutsu, Futago
judo really messed up by banning techniques, cuz now judo its even less practical for people who want to do mma , self-defense or learn it for bjj
Do you have an extended version of your videos?
sorry, may I please know when was the original manuscript wrote? is the manuscript still stored in any museum?
Excelent
1:44 諸手ガリ、ではなくて「双手刈り」ですよ。
Rhadi Ferguson
Video molto interessante .
Even on all over the world, not just japan, wrestling was always been used in sword fight.
This is because, people are wearing armor that cant be slashed by bladed weapons, so sometimes the easier way is just wrestling the opponent down
Yes but this is Jujutsu. Not wrestling.
Do you think someday leg grap and banned techniques return to Judo? I mean if Judo had all that again, lots of people wouldn't go to BJJ
Seria importante una versión en español.
1 million veiws soon 😤
Samurai traditional jujutsu, intelligence traditional jujutsu
Double leg, Morote Gari or Baiana 4L
"shut up or I'll ankle pick you"
- some samurai
Why is Kibisu-gaeshi illegal in Judo. Looks like a completely normal take down technique. I do BJJ but i moved and now I'm training at a gym that does BJJ, judo, and Japanese Ju-jitsu on different days of the week.
Is this the same as Bujitsu?
Bujutsu refers to the full samurai arts curriculum.
Jujitsu- h2h combat
Kenjutsu- sword (Gekkiken is samurai sparing, a mix of kendo without rules and jujitsu)
Iaijutsu- drawing the sword
Tantojutsu- knife
Bujutsu/ Jojotsu- staff
Naginata- Halberd
Yari- spear
Kyujitsu- bow
Teppojutsu- musket
Kobudo- other various weapons.
~Don't Ever Underestimate An Old School Warrior~
Sukui nage!
Dr Kano used and taught many of these so called banned techniques. It's a real shame.
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First like Wooooo!!!!
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Wrestling take downs? I believe the Samurai were the original Ju-Jitsu.👍🥋
Well duh. Jujutsu always had takedowns. 😂
I can attack omote sankaku from uki waza doing judo and not bjj. We have to study judo as a martial art not as a sport. Judo is a grappling art not a throwing sport.
"Древних самураев"! Типа есть, "самураи 21 века"!
今の日本では、古流柔術は絶滅の危機にあり
失伝した流派はかなりあります。
コメントありがとうございます
ニュースだから悲しいである
My Te Waza;
Te Guruma, Ippon Seoi Nage, Morote Seoi Nage, Sukui Nage, Yama Arashi, Tai Otoshi, Tawara Gaeshi,
BJJ/Sambo
(TBD)
Acredito que o Daytoriu Aki jujutsu é que fazia parte do treinamento dos samurais
Diato Ryu aikijujutsu is one out of several hundred systems. The “aiki” component exist n most systems but Diato Ryu specifically included the old sword principle into the description of the art.
Ancient Samurais? Will the real jujitsu stand up? Most people scoff at Aikido, but it's movements are also based on jujitsu techniques against armed combatants (the founder was a jujitsu practitioner). That is why they have those silly-looking overhand open palm strikes which are actually based on how to disarm bladed weapons. I did both aikido and judo while stationed in Japan for 12 years. All things considered, I prefer judo for its physicality.
There is no real jujutsu the schools were so different from each other. The ancestor school of aikido is very much not typical of jujutsu. And one of the main ancestors of judo (kito ryu) is extremely unusual as well but judo also had the influence of dozens of other schools making it more like the majority of schools.
Akido and Jujutsu look nothing alike. Akido is a pacifist art. Jujutsu is aggressive and used for warfare. Huge difference in application.
@@ShadowrulzalwaysJujutsu schools are very diverse and most don't actually have much to do with warfare. Some look like aikido, most don't. Although most have a subset of techniques that are similar to aikido techniques.
Jujitsu was an aggressive art of war. Aikido transformed aikijujutsu into a study of motion and used a passive nature to reflect Shinto values. Judo transformed jujitsu from a combat art to a sport art. In Jujitsu you look to break something as you throw the opponent on their head or face then stab or choke them to death. Judo allows for break falls, removed small joint manipulations and trachea crushing methods and eventually removed striking.
Boost
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古柔術殺人技。
Check on Dr. Kacem Zoughari PhD, about classical Japanese martial arts. You will be surprised I believe.
I don't believe in Hoki Ryu...it sounds a little HOKEY to ME!!! LOL ;)
It doesn't matter as Segall would just destroy all with his hand slapping deadly techniques
САМУРАЙ= С+АМУРА+Я(Й+А), это славяне жили на острове
очередное избиение младенцев)))
2nd like from INDIA Wooooo!!!!!!
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@@Chadi I love u brother (professor)
2:08 bro has such a nefarious look on his face😂
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Hahahaha ! 😂
Where is the razor blade sword in your theory and analysis ?
You can loose your arm or your head at trying all that...🤌
I dont say its not real, but there is not even a plastic one in your practice
Sometimes unarmed samurai were successful against a swordsman. Sometimes not. Jujitsu comes from the sword in principles, techniques and methods. Jujitsu was created for the sole purpose to standing a chance against several enemies with edged weapons. And then t did pretty well hence why it stayed around for several centuries.