It is the exact same thing that happened with Honda in MotoGP with Marquez. A good driver/rider covers all the problems with his skills and suddenly you are years behind.
Strongly agree. Mark Marquez is such a gifted and stylistically 'different' rider that, over-focussed on him, Honda developed a bike so difficult to control that no-one else could ride it successfully, and continuing on that trajectory made it too difficult even for him. Now (with Marquez having moved to a Ducati team) they're stuck up that developmental dead end and have fallen to the bottom of the constructors' table, despite winning the Championship in 2011-15 and 2016-19.
@@crazehsmile I mean Honda was kinda pridefull team...They never think their motorcycle was a problem...They always think rider are the problem .. Japanese mentality are same mentality like Enzo Ferrari..
@@crazehsmile He was winning! That's literally it. I think most teams would take the "win now, cry later" approach than the one most teams take: not win at all. Shortsighted, but it brought them multiple WCs.
Stop it...We don't know yet it was good decision or not... It's some issue but it's not the main problem here...Newey and other top staff leaving are the main problem
This is the first team to give him a race winning car and pays him 8 figures. Why on earth would he say a word when Red Bull can drop him in a heart beat?
@@iVerstappen Also most of the disgrace happening to him is by his own fault, not the team's. So not blaming others for your own errors is the bare minimum of self awareness a driver should have, I'm glad he does, unlike Lance Stroll for example.
@@rigel8755 I think Checo is just another case of, not many drivers can handle a car that max is in sync with. He’s still good but if Checo isn’t comfortable, he’s not going to perform. Same with Alex Pierre and Danny ric
I think Perez has been absolutely terribly treated by the media and pretty much all the F1 youtubers. Max is an absolutely generational driver, and supremely talented, but regardless of driving styles, he has been vocal for months about the problems with the car, even though he was driving around them. If they had made the car better for Perez, it would have made it better for Max too.
nahh u cant use that excuse to defend perez's multiple q1 and q2 exits midseason... the criticism was very much justified.. its so obvious red bull is slow now because newey is gone. see the races before and after his exit announcement and u will see that his exit was the turning point.. but sure its because the team refused to listen to perez that red bull is slow 😂
@@KarenTondro He would get slated for having a bad qualifying on occasions when he's given a tow, he would get slated for not doing better when Red Bull blatantly sacrificed him on strategy to cover others (not a criticism of red bull), and we had the entire youtube community making videos about how he absolutely and urgently needed to be punted mid season. Sure, he's not had the best season, but he's clearly not the diddy that F1 RUclips kept trying to make him out as.
Just saying the car is t good isn’t enough. That’s why people like seb Lewis and a few others were so great. They could fully explain why it didn’t work, when it didn’t work, and what needed to change
Following the decline of form from RB i now realize it always was that Max made Checo look bad, not Checo actually being that bad. I truly owe Checo an apology, and i think a lot of others do.
I also agree being a checo fan I was losing faith only for all this to come out. It also makes me realize just how many crashes he's had because of the car failing him and not the other way around
@@chickenindabox3169 Checo is the biggest fraud in the world. Max won 19 races in 2023 and checo only won 2. Also max has out qualified checo consecutively in 33 races before baku. In summary perez should retire and is the most undeserving drvier in the f1 grid.
Checo ins't bad, he's just not WDC material. If the grid had 26 cars his place would not be in question, but with only 20 drivers he should step down and let a better person take the seat.
I used to believe he is just very inconsistent but this season proved that he is not inconsistent, in fact, he is consistent. Being consistently freaking terrible.
So basically it's Marc Marquez and Honda. Bro won all those championships with a shitty bike that straight up assaulted his teammates year after year until it did the same to him. Now he went to a proper team with a proper machine and bloomed again.
It wasn't really shitty though, but those bikes were pretty nasty to ride and only Marquez could extract the full potential of them Once Honda was actually bad, even Marquez couldn't do that much to save Honda
This is what happens when you think one of your drivers is a God and the other is an idiot. Neither is Max a God nor is Checo an idiot. You have to strike a balance. Checo might not be on Max’s level, but trust me, that Red Bull seat wasn’t handed to him on a platter. He earned his spot and he bloody well knows how to drive an F1 car! But of course, when your life centres around your “star driver”, who’s gonna look at logic, right? No other team has this much disparity in their car for a reason, it’s all about the balance. Hopefully, Red Bull wake up and listen to Checo now…
Yes. This is ultimately redbull’s biggest weakness under Horner leadership. Inability to develop the 2nd driver and with that also not able to consistently nurture rookies. Their approach of putting maximum pressure on no.2s and tunnel vision on the no.1 driver is hurting them, but looks like at the very least Horner is learning from that - given his patience with Perez struggles. I just don’t think the rest of the organisation under him will adapt quickly - the culture is set.
@@marvinmoise6558 Well Checo is on track to win the destructors championship this year, I guess now we know where all the money to develop the car went! Checo the GOAT 🔥
Whatever you think of Sergio Pérez, man can fuck with a car. His entire career was about making substandard cars do impossible things. Making him a number 2 is a massive loss for the viewers.
That's explicitly why Horner chose him in '21. His feedback is proven to improve deeply flawed cars, and he knows how to give precise feedback. Max just smooths over the issues of the car and (while the lows aren't as low), he doesn't seem to have the same level of specificity and detail as Checo.
the problem of constantly banking on Max is, while he might be a generational talent Checo still has more experience than him. So when he said something is wrong with the car they should have paid attention to that, in comparison with people like Bottas and Lewis (Lewis has more experience) and Alonso has way more experience than Lance. People with experience are 9/10 more expereinced when it comes to car develop than people who are just better at driving.
@@ChoCho-db4zoWhen the gap between p1 and p16 is .700s then it’s extremely easy to get out early comparatively, especially with this video saying that the car is getting worse you can also imagine competitors are upgrading and getting better and closer. A .700s gap, a .300s gap is not a lot until when each position is only .050s away.
Unfortunately he hasn't been up there with Max to support him often enough. To me that tells me that Perez was not up to the task of handling the car good enough, but if the car is a snappy beast to drive then I understand the reason for his quite varying results. However I still see that he has made a bit too many mistakes leading to his race ending with a DNF and that's not just the car.
This very much reminds me of that. But Today and Brawn realized that they couldn't develop the car properly with Schumacher as he could just adapt. There is that story of Irvine stepping into a car that Schumi had been lapping fast with and finding it undrivable with a broken suspension...
@@deerfootnzand it's not just with Ferrari. The Benettons were a PITA to drive too. Just ask anyone who's driven them- from Max's dad to Jean Alesi as to how the B194 and B195 were tough to handle.
@@deerfootnzRubbish. Michael was the main driver in development of the car. It was his feedback that led to Ferrari finally having a decent car in 1999 and totally dominating car 2000-2004
I remember a poll asking if Red Bull made a mistake re-signing Perez and 80% of people said they did. I said way back then that the car was as good as Checo was driving, and Max was just that good.
same thoughts. I think checo is representative of what that car can do. Max is on another level that his pace looks good on paper than the car can actually do.
Put Checo in a Merc, Williams or a Mercedes powered Aston and i think hed be at the top of the midfield easily. I hope he gets out of tht RB if Max doesnt leave. I think hes still a quality driver
Max has been complaining about the car waaaaay before Monza 2024. I remember his radio messages in 2023 complaining about the car but since he was 12-20 seconds ahead at times, his engineers basically said “whatever, get on with it.” Max has always been clearly aware of what the problems were but he was able to adjust more adeptly for a lot longer. Justice for Checo
Y‘all are still going on with the „max is by far the best of all time and he would win in a haas“ bs? U fr? 😂 We’re seeing now that max is like every other top driver. If he has a great car that fits his driving style he will dominate but if he doesn’t have that he’s driving around in the midfield. Obviously max isn’t 6 tenths faster than perez, gasly and albon on pure pace. Red bull built the car for him and his unique driving style (obviously. Like merc for HAM. That’s not a diss towards max ffs) which is the best decision for the team. But it makes max look better than he is and his teammates worse than they are which led to all the fan delusions and Max fans can’t let go of their delusions. It’s insane
@SchweinerSchinkler how does all of this not mean that Max is insanely good? In a crap car he outperforms his teammate with ease. In a excellent car he still wins. He has slaughtered every teammate he had. And in this weekend race he starts P2, where is Checo? I know many do not like Max for various reasons, but no F1 fan can be taken serious when not saying Max is probably the best driver of this decade.
@@rafaelborrego36 right?!! Why can’t we all just have our favorites and express our opinion without all the vitriol? It does nothing to change my mind anyway just as Checo not performing at his optimum didn’t stop him from being my favorite.
I loved checos force India and Sauber stints even in the racing point checo was good, yeah not generational level of good but good regardless. Hopefully he somehow just regains his form and clear out all his name from the social media crap and toxicity, like he did when he had to leave McLaren and join force india. I just want the king of the streets back in action
@@grasstocher1234 Horner told toto to change his car when he blatantly was trying to use his influences to have a rule passed on porpoising which benefitted Mercedes massively. Not even then did Hamilcar manage to win a race that season, with him it's either fastest car or cry.
To be honest, I do feel a small sense of vindication for calling that Verstappen's skill was masking how tricky the Red Bull was to drive. But it also makes me worried about the future of Red Bull, especially in a post-Newey world.
i think the big difference between fernando and stroll, and lewis and bottas, is that in the particular case of rbr, checo is the one with the experience, the one that's known for working out the kinks of a car and developing a car and having good communication with engineers. they even list it as one of the reasons why they keep him around, his ability to develop a car. so it's just ridiculous that they IGNORED him, because if they don't listen to him, then why keep him? idk, the whole situation screams of pride and hubris, because checo warned the team, and they decided to throw him under the bus before admitting that they were making a mistake
I always thought botters was massivly underrated for beeing „only“ numer two but in hindsight he could addaped to a car that was made for number one just better.
I seriously doubt the judgement of anyone not strongly calling for him to be dropped. Red Bull is objectively not the place for him, his inability to get that car into Q3 has probably cost them the constructors. Their preference for Max has made him look like a joke. I don't dislike him, and I think he's better than his time at Red Bull would suggest, but his departure from the team would be the best thing for all parties.
@@jammathaiI see it the other way around, that redbull need to address their inability to develop their number 2 drivers - it’s just as consistently bad as Checo’s problems but over a much longer period of time.
@@Faisalalala It would also be bad for them to listen only to Alonso. Alonso himself has said as much because he can also drive around problems with his cars.
Finally Justice for Checos Name….. I have always questioned why in BAku 23 Max could not pass Checo, he was behind him most of the race, and then in Barcelona and Miami, MAx Passed him and finished 20 some seconds ahead. After Baku, the points gap in the Championship was 15! And then MAx outperformed Checo, and Checo made many “silly “ mistakes in a Car he had already dominated.
Just like Marc Marquez in Honda. When it is winning, no engineer will care how badly the other driver performs and all in to the lead driver until it fails.
Saying they are not compatible is an overstatement They're not the perfect pair of course but again, we gotta take a look at Max' past teamates and how they have also struggle, and asume someone with similar style will also struggle, the car was for Max and for Max only Checo managed to put great performances at some points where the car was on a stable point and he had enough time to adapt, case in point, the begining of this season, as soon as the upgrades started again he fell off again He can adapt, won't be as fast as Max on a car built for Max thats obvious and that can work well if they want a strong pairing and a clear 1st driver, and just like with Baku, if they's skewed the car in Checo's favor he'd run circles around Max So we know RB can produce a fairly balanced car with enough favoritism towatds Max, but this clearly got out of control and they're paying the price
@@rickyricardo2006 he replied to a comment about checo 😂. Don’t think about pink elephants! 😂😂😂😂😂 pink elephants live rent free in your head hahahahahaha
In 2012, Lewis was happy with the car and Jenson was not and they prioritized solving Jenson's problem and lost the championship. Furthermore, they built 2013 cars to solve Juenson's problems and I think that was the start of their downfall.
@@michaelperkins1448 McLaren were going down in the 2010's due to a combination of factors, chief of which being the fallout of Spygate and the fact that Merc were re-prioritizing to their main works team. Once the V6T-HY engines came in, Merc were all in on their factory team, giving McLaren token support as an engine supplier.
@@adrianpaulochoa9825 McLaren 'GP2 Engine' Honda was running dead last in 2015. It doesn't matter who was dominating the grid or even who's on top ten, McLaren screwed up royally and they had nobody else to blame.
a couple of weeks ago everyone was bashing Perez for underperforming, I'm so happy that he stayed and drove so wonderfully in Baku (before Sainz crashing into him)
It may be rare in F1 (seriously, it's not if you're my age!), but in business it's incredibly common - give the business a cash cow product and it masks every problem that turns up, and every one after that, and in a few years you suddenly find that none of your processes work, all the best people have left, you've realced those people with "players" that don't actually understand the underlying tech, all your other products make no money compared to the cost to produce them, and you suddenly have no capability to do anything about any of it. Suddenly sounds reeeeeal familiar, huh?
I think this proves that the Checo conundrum is somewhere in the middle. That is to say he isn’t as bad as a lot of F1 fans claim to know he is, but he isn’t very good at adjusting to a new car. He’s clearly a very a good driver, but he needs to do better at adjusting to a new car. Same with Danny ric. Some drivers are absolutely phenomenal in the right car. It doesn’t even have to be a super fast car as long as it suits the driver. Remember, a rocket ship of a car doesn’t translate to winning of it doesn’t suit the driver. That’s the balance teams have to play, but I think a lot, if not most fans refuse to understand this concept. The car is a major major part of how good a driver can be. If you don’t agree with that statement, then perhaps Indy Car is more what you should be watching as those cars are damn near identical.
Gasly was actually way closer than people remember. The reason why he was dropped and never promoted again despite being a great driver was because he had a go at Adrien Newey in the garage like a child
Time for Max to get out of Redbull. They've clearly lost it and without Newey someone who always factored the driver feedback into his designs and upgrades, they're only going to have it harder.
I've been so disappointed with the way media and F1 fans have labelled Checo as "losing it" or "past his prime" when it was clear, even to a fan like me, that development was favouring Max. I think the F1 world owes that man a massive apology.
To be fair, it's 50/50. Red Bull should have favored Checo a little the moment he began struggling hard, but even with a car more tailored towards your teammate, Checho crashing on his own hasn't been doing him any favours.
as someone who only started caring about f1 during the summer break is the best thing ever to happen. The red bull dynasty ending right as i join as a fan of the sport itself? Great honestly
As someone who has watched F1 my whole life, enjoy this season and probably next year. Because there will be another domination around the corner 😊. It's always been the same Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and Verstappen.
Red Bull dumps Perez for Lawson, Perez replaces bored Stroll at Aston Martin, Perez/Alonso do their own Hamilton/Rosberg for the driver's title in 2025
Unreal you think Perez would be able to even cough in Alonso's direction. Perass stans really are something else. Without Mercedes sabotaging George in Sakhir 2020 Perass would be in a taco stand.
So basically, Red Bull is just Honda in MotoGP? Honda never made the best bike, it was difficult to handle, unpredictable and lacked power compared to the Italians but with Marc Marquez winning 6 MotoGP titles in the premiere class, the characteristics of the bike was sidelined. The issues began to appear in 2020 season with Marc getting severely injured (also being sidelined for the whole season) and nobody else to take the bike anywhere close to the championship, with the situation getting even worse in 2023 where the team had **~50 crashes in 21 weekends**. Now Marc left from Honda to Gresini (Ducati) and Honda has zero top 10 finishes whole season.
its funny because i had the same problem in f1 manager 23, it kept saying my car was 5th/6th best but i was dominating cause i had charles and carlos and they were out performing the car and masking its true shortfall and on a whim i switched both drivers just to spice things up then suddenly my cars performance stats matched up with on track outcomes and i was pissed and confused until i figured it out
Not saying it isnt true but I find it very reactiobary to go full "Checko was right all along" just because he beat Verstappen once on one of Checko's best tracks
I am so tired of Checo CONSTANTLY being insulted and doubted. Every other week there have been calls to dump him. On the other week the stories are about dumping Daniel. Make up your mind!
YES. It's about damn time. I've been a Checo fan since I started watching F1 in '21, and seeing the way he's been treated has been infuriating. Ricciardo got too much faith, Pérez got none.
As a checo fan, how do you defend Singapore qualifying? He's P13 and Max is P2. Are you a checo fan because he's mexican and you are also mexican? That's the only reason I'd see why people like checo. He's not charismatic, he cheated on his wife, he's essentially a pay driver with the amount of sponsorships he has tied to him, and he's consistently wasted the best car on the grid for years. 'casual fans' Anyone that watches the races can see that Max has been cruising to victories for years, and checo has been struggling to make it into Q3. He is washed up, old, and should probably retire so he has more free time to cheat on his wife. Singapore 2024 Qualifying Max: P2 Checo: P13 says it all tbh.
I think people are overcompensating. The car can be bad and Checo can also be bad. Regardless of the state of the car, Max is absolutely trouncing him.
This is an intelligent take, Red Bull would be in a better place with a driver closer to Max's style, which ironically they had with Albon, but unfortunately his inexperience combined with the original 2020 RB16 being the previous regs version of RB20 made him look off pace compared to Max.
Can Red Bull pivot if Max leaves? Without Newey, without Wheatley, with a boardroom battle raging behind the scenes and with a reputationally damaged Horner at the helm. No.
But Max has been complaining and warning the team about the cars narrow setup window since testing 2024? And Max became frustrated in Hungary when the engineers weren't listening! Which tells me that the engineers weren't listening to either drivers Max and GP just found a way around it! Adrian was already side lined as a consultant somewhere in 2023 when reading between the lines. So maybe RBR is missing part of the translation from track tot the drawing board for some time now?
We're looking at another 2009 season, but the roles are a bit different. Max won what he needed to, and now Mclaren will try to catch... and fail. Button won 6 out of the first 7 races, and then barely got anywhere near, but it was enough. I didn't think Red Bull would fall off a cliff so badly, but it will be enough. The 10 points or however many it was that "Mclaren took from Norris and gave to Piastri" (gigantic asterisk on that one) might actually be what it comes down to.
The thing is that max has been complaining about the car for over a year, saying there’s issues that need to be worked out. Yes, he won 19/22 last year and started hot. Yes, he over drove the car. But, critically, many of those wins were down to other teams making fatal errors on days that Red Bull were not the clear fastest car So this whole thing is only half accurate. If max was happy and winning while Checo was bad, they absolutely would and should ignore him, but that hasn’t been the case
F1 social media is now football social media. Score 2 goals one week but generally crap? The G.O.A.T. Score 10 hattricks then don't score for a game? Overrated and terrible. The conversation is just dead, its sad. A bunch of corporate brand shills arguing over whos parasocial relationship makes them ubermensch
Redbull have been poor for like 8 races now and the trend looks like their performance will only drop, that mixed with a potential engine formula with the new regs and redbull having their own inhouse engine for the first time, wouldnt say its an over reaction. Redbull have gone from domination to imo i dont think they will have the best car on the grid for another 3-4 years and with that max will leave
It's ironic because Tommo was saying the exact same as everyone else about Perez when he was up for the chop. I respect Tommo, I respect the grift - it's his job and career after all. But his opinions aren't better than anyone else's just because he has better presented videos. Tommo's opinions are usually incredibly milquetoast and status quo oriented, he'd fit in well at Sky (not a compliment or a burn, just analysis).
Idk why this give me Marquez and Honda vibe. Marquez joining an arch nemisies (Ducati) after struggling in Honda Max strugling in a car he hate to drive and joining an arch nemisies (Mercedes)
Feel like the argument for Ricciardo is that their driving styles are similar in a way that Red Bull knows and having them both in the car could help fix it quicker. Would be brutal on Checo...
Was the same with Marquez at Repsol Honda. His Talent masked the underlying flaws of the direction they were developing the bike. Now once he left everything went t*ts up.
The 2026 regs could suit Checo. Max already complained about the early 2026 sim runs, but Checo didnt. And I still believe, that his data from that gave him the (otherwise undeserved) 2 year contract extension. But interesting point about the 2021 Merc. I never thought about it like that :D
It's a fair assessment. I think Checo will see out the Red Bull contract, as the team will want a team player and all his sponsorship Pesos during what is likely going to be a massive period of upheaval. Then he'll retire from F1 and go back to Mexico as his countries best-ever F1 driver. All his business and charity interests will keep him busy, but reckons he'll have a crack at endurance racing at some point, it plays to all his strengths.
"everyone was gonna catch up eventually. field would always converge." this is a wrong statement imo. and a popular one for some reason. logic dictates gap to leader would only get bigger because you take risks and make a lot of mistakes trying to catch up. and it was going like that till miami. stuff happening behind close doors as you say and we have no clue. i mean 2021 was close because fia chopped a big chonk off the floor.
Juan Pablo Montoya commented that on both drivers, Checo couldn’t brake as Max could. Marko, in Marko style, mocked JP weight. But in the summer an article went out about an asymmetrical break in Max car. They denied it, but the car started to fail after it.
I remember reading an article back in 2021, wherein it was pointed out that the real reason why Red Bull didn’t produce a championship winning car between 2017 - 2020 was bcoz of Max cloaking the issues and driving around them, making the bad car look good. Apparently, Red Bull repeated the same mistake by overlooking the other drivers issues, and now it’s coming back to bite them
I've memed on Checo every once in a while, but I always felt that it was weird that a proven race winner and consistent driver would suddenly and inexplicably fall off a cliff despite really not being that old at 34. So at some point during this season I started to feel pretty certain that Max was just completely outperforming the car. That Checo was pretty close to the maximum of what could be reasonably expected out of the car and Max was just somehow finding 4-6 tenths out of nothing. He's just an insane driver. And no, I'm not a Max stan. I'm really curious if Red Bull will manage to right this ship. But I'm not confident at all tbh. Maybe we'll really get a battle for WDC.
This is no exception to any other driver. If Ricciardo is called washed every race in and out, where does that leave Checo who has one good race in two years. All of a sudden, Perez deserves an apology? Why?
My wild prediction at the start of 2024 was that Danny Ric was being kept on at VCARB not to eventually call up in place of Perez, but in place of Max. Between the "Horndog Files" drama, Jos being a giant flapping anus to everyone not named Toto, top people leaving Red Bull's tech departments, Lawson being guaranteed a seat next year, and now it turning out that Max's dominating talent is as much a curse on the car development side as it is a blessing on the getting results side; I feel the prediction might not be so wild anymore.
IMO it boils down to Max has better adaptability that Checo. Max will make do with what's given to him and drive fast whereas Checo needs something specific to perform well. Even in early 2022 when the cars were all overweight understeer-y boats Max was still winning races versus Checo who was in his element. In Baku 24, Max was doing fine until him and the team gambled a setup chance after FP3 which ruined the car. In the end Red Bull didn't listen to either driver and the car became shit.
But Max didn't really have to adapt the same way? The car was tailored for his, and against Checho's, preferences. He's certainly a generational talent but when it comes to adaptability he also had the easier job.
@@arglebargle5531 The car isnt tailored for him, the car is tailored to go unbelievably fast , it just happens that only Max seems to be able to cope with those extremes. So between making a car comfortable but not so quick and Fast but unstable, RedBull choose the latter which any team would do. Albon had already stated that before.
@@ashitkotian2396 Not true. Everyone knows that the car is on tip toes compared to the rest of the grid because Max loves sharp steering. This has been echoed by all previous RBR drivers too - Albon was probably trying to be diplomatic. RBR have never hidden that the car is tailored for Max. It's just a known fact.
@@ashitkotian2396the car isnt tailored to go fast, its tailorrd to go fast only in the hands of max. Cars dont drive themselves, teams have to take their better driver into account when developing the car.
Max only asked for the fastest car, only thing is sharp oversteer is faster ans he adapted better. Tuning the car for Checo is basically nerfing the car.@@arglebargle5531
As a Daniel Ricciardo fan, still want to see the redemption arc when paired with Max. They have the same driving style, surely it would make constructor championship better
You make a good point about the car "style" with the Danny Ric McLaren comparison but it also feels like the teams will never take this factor on board. It would mean their strategy would be to have two evenly matched drivers with similar or identical driving styles which would cost them some races. Take MV and LH out of the picture and what you see is that each of the drivers are just naturally better at some circuits than others, the track suits their style a bit better. I think the teams are trying to cover vulnerabilities by choosing to run to slightly mismatched drivers (think Sainz and Leclerc). Then if that goes too far and the car moves too far from their style, the driver gets dropped for not adapting...
Tommo, I honestly think you're playing too much into this "teams need a clear 1-2 pairing to succeed" narrative. This isn't always true, like how many times did the second wing actually got involved actively in the fight? Just a few. How many times did an even pair pushed each other forward, mutually stealing points from external rivals? A good few. 2007 Ferrari was there to capitalize on McLaren's fumbles, but Kimi and Felipe were both in contention for most of the season, it's not like they won cause they solely focused on Kimi. 2010 and 2012 Ferrari instead had a clear 1-2 but Felipe was too far to help, while Webber was helpful stealing points even if he wasn't playing second fiddle. It really does depend on a series of factors, it's not like there is one single winning formula when it comes to driver pairings. Sometimes you wish they were closer, sometimes you don't. I think it's a coin flip, and you shouldn't be so tunnel visioned criticizing McLaren, Redbull or whatever
Idk if I completely agree with this. I see what you mean by following the driver that is winning. But if one is consistently complaining about the car then it’s worth looking into. You don’t completely blow him off.
Max carrying that car to wins while his teammate was struggling and covering up the issue for a year just speaks levels of his skill. Absolute all time top 5 driver and the best in the world rn.
You missed the point my guy 😂. The issues with the car didn’t affect max because of his different driving style. Mate please stop with the max glazing. We’re seeing now that he couldn’t win in a haas. Why are y’all still going on with the insane glazing?
Max is such an incredibly talented driver that he can "drive around" aqlmost any problem with a car - but RB SHOULD have listened to him when he said "something is wrong, please wake up!! They didn't and now the car is so bad versus the competition that even the "Max Factor" is gone. We shouldn't be too hard on Checo because there is no shame in being a lesser driver than Max. RB actually dug their own grave by not listening to Max when he was still winning races one after the other. He is THAT good in "feeling the car" so having one of the best driver ever actually backfired on them.
The same thing happened for Mercedes when Russell won in Brazil. They thought they'd got it right because he'd been so good. The next year was one of their worst ever. 🤷🏻♀️
Didn't age that well, they were much better in Singapore, Checo 10th and can't beat Nico in a Haas. Checo is just shit. Like Albon said, the car is what it is, it is quick, but the way Max drives it is out of this world, you start to make mistakes and fall further and further behind him because of the pressure and that is what everyone saw with everyone except Daniel, at least Albon has the guts to blame himself not the car.
Your point about Checo probably being a menace in the Mercedes 2021 car. When Checo was announced to Red Bull, Toto Wolff was actually concerned about Checo's knowledge of the Mercedes engine and how he could feed that information to Honda. Checo would 100% be a menace in the 2021 Mercedes for sure.
I still take this with a pinch of salt, Checo has been bad with crahes too which cost the team in this era. I mean even when he was good last race he crashed. But this is a good wakeup call to RedBull as to what happens when you fly close to the limits of what arguably one of the best drivers in the history of F1 can cope with and once it reaches that cliff, its a freefall.
The performances really are a representation of the two drivers. Checo has driven several iterations of Formula 1 car, so he can quickly tell when something is off. Max isn’t looking to develop the car, he’s usually looking to improve his lap times with what he is given. He knows he has the skill to get every hundredth of a second out of the RB and puts his energy there. I’m not saying Checo is lazy and not pushing, but it is easier to try to dial in a setup that always keeps you out of the wall than to blindly trust the tires will grip in lap 17 of a stint
Reminds me a lot of what happened to Honda in Motogp. Marc Marquez has one of the greatest seasons of all time in 2019, while every other honda rider struggled for points. This lack of pace from non Marquez riders didn't faze Honda that much because as long as Marquez was dominating they were happy. Well in the first race of 2020 Marquez got a season ending injury and all of a sudden Honda had to face the fact that their bike was horrible for anyone but Marquez. Ever since then Honda has been the worst of the Motogp constructors by a distance due to the fact that while they were neglecting to develop the bike for anyone but Marquez they had been vastly overtaken by everyone else.
I think it's pretty evident now why Red Bull chose not to boot Checo after the summer break, they knew it wouldn't have changed much if anything because at its core it wasn't and still isn't a Checo problem, Checo's problems are merely a symptom of a much larger car problem that Max's just good enough to drive around, but Max is also a 1/3-5 in a generation class driver. Red Bull pretty much knows that no matter who they throw into the second seat at present they won't perform to spec because it's the car that's the real issue, and if they can solve that then Checo will be back to being good enough to at least work that supporting role well enough that there won't be an imminent need to switch him out. This isn't to say that Checo doesn't have issues with the car, he does, it's simply a case of that car being so problematic that it doesn't matter. Something mind, that BOTH drivers have been quite vocal about, especially this year.
Toto had it printed out
Epson stonks
@@TommoMcCluskey HP stonks
@@LewytheflyFerrari uses the HP LaserJet printer
@@sho7078 yes, but Hewlett Packard is an official sponsor of Mercedes F1 team
that's actually crazy
This was something Nico Rosberg said last year. It's annoying how often that guy is right
A driver's intuition is never wrong.
Cope
@@Limegreenedragonunless your a race engineer then you could give less of fuck because staring at spreadsheets and numbers give them more “insight”
@@w4rl0rd93Well then the engineer can go out and drive the car.
@@RegionalRadioShackManager I’ll be damned before I ever take crap from an ex radio shack manager
It is the exact same thing that happened with Honda in MotoGP with Marquez. A good driver/rider covers all the problems with his skills and suddenly you are years behind.
Strongly agree. Mark Marquez is such a gifted and stylistically 'different' rider that, over-focussed on him, Honda developed a bike so difficult to control that no-one else could ride it successfully, and continuing on that trajectory made it too difficult even for him. Now (with Marquez having moved to a Ducati team) they're stuck up that developmental dead end and have fallen to the bottom of the constructors' table, despite winning the Championship in 2011-15 and 2016-19.
It was pretty obvious when Marquez was the only Honda in the top 10 lol, idk how they didn't act sooner
Interesting!
@@crazehsmile I mean Honda was kinda pridefull team...They never think their motorcycle was a problem...They always think rider are the problem .. Japanese mentality are same mentality like Enzo Ferrari..
@@crazehsmile He was winning! That's literally it. I think most teams would take the "win now, cry later" approach than the one most teams take: not win at all. Shortsighted, but it brought them multiple WCs.
Looks like we owe Perez a little apology. Him resigning with Red Bull is no longer a wtf are you doing but more of a might have been the right move.
Perez was a slave to team orders.
Stop it...We don't know yet it was good decision or not... It's some issue but it's not the main problem here...Newey and other top staff leaving are the main problem
@@mrboast2826 If redbull has come out to apologize to checo, who the hell are you to tell people otherwise 😂
@@mrboast2826What's your specific Job title at Redbull since you clearly have insider knowledge that none of us have?
Yea I actually like checo being a mclaren fan n it does feel good that toto Wolff was clearly correct about the car being faulty
Respect for Checo for never bad mouthing his team now they’re finally listening to him
Yes! Another reason he will always be my favorite. Class act
This is the first team to give him a race winning car and pays him 8 figures. Why on earth would he say a word when Red Bull can drop him in a heart beat?
@@iVerstappen Also most of the disgrace happening to him is by his own fault, not the team's. So not blaming others for your own errors is the bare minimum of self awareness a driver should have, I'm glad he does, unlike Lance Stroll for example.
Your joking right? The listen to Perez and start to cost Max the championship. Now they are done trying to help Perez and he can't beat a Haas.
@@rigel8755 I think Checo is just another case of, not many drivers can handle a car that max is in sync with. He’s still good but if Checo isn’t comfortable, he’s not going to perform. Same with Alex Pierre and Danny ric
I think Perez has been absolutely terribly treated by the media and pretty much all the F1 youtubers. Max is an absolutely generational driver, and supremely talented, but regardless of driving styles, he has been vocal for months about the problems with the car, even though he was driving around them. If they had made the car better for Perez, it would have made it better for Max too.
He had it coming, he said he could beat MV, yet he fails to even cross the checkered flag sometimes
nahh u cant use that excuse to defend perez's multiple q1 and q2 exits midseason... the criticism was very much justified..
its so obvious red bull is slow now because newey is gone. see the races before and after his exit announcement and u will see that his exit was the turning point.. but sure its because the team refused to listen to perez that red bull is slow 😂
I've learned most f1 fans are the biggest twats ever. 99.9% of them have never raced anything, much less at a competitive level.
@@KarenTondro He would get slated for having a bad qualifying on occasions when he's given a tow, he would get slated for not doing better when Red Bull blatantly sacrificed him on strategy to cover others (not a criticism of red bull), and we had the entire youtube community making videos about how he absolutely and urgently needed to be punted mid season. Sure, he's not had the best season, but he's clearly not the diddy that F1 RUclips kept trying to make him out as.
Just saying the car is t good isn’t enough. That’s why people like seb Lewis and a few others were so great. They could fully explain why it didn’t work, when it didn’t work, and what needed to change
Following the decline of form from RB i now realize it always was that Max made Checo look bad, not Checo actually being that bad.
I truly owe Checo an apology, and i think a lot of others do.
I also agree being a checo fan I was losing faith only for all this to come out. It also makes me realize just how many crashes he's had because of the car failing him and not the other way around
DM him lil bro
Tommo doesnt think this way. He has already made excuses of why he wont apologize.
Being out in Q1 4x in a row definitely was him being bad. You did nothing wrong, mate
@@ButHearMeOut yeah tbf he has had a lot of moments where he shouldn’t have collapsed
The checo narrative finally changing from him ‘just being bad’ is so satisfying for a fan like me who’s seen this unfold for 2 years now
I mean I don't think anyone would say he's truly bad, just much worse than his teammate
@@BlackDiamondYoutubthere were also lots of people who claimed he's a fraud lmao
@@chickenindabox3169 Checo is the biggest fraud in the world. Max won 19 races in 2023 and checo only won 2. Also max has out qualified checo consecutively in 33 races before baku. In summary perez should retire and is the most undeserving drvier in the f1 grid.
Checo ins't bad, he's just not WDC material. If the grid had 26 cars his place would not be in question, but with only 20 drivers he should step down and let a better person take the seat.
I used to believe he is just very inconsistent but this season proved that he is not inconsistent, in fact, he is consistent.
Being consistently freaking terrible.
So basically it's Marc Marquez and Honda. Bro won all those championships with a shitty bike that straight up assaulted his teammates year after year until it did the same to him. Now he went to a proper team with a proper machine and bloomed again.
Pretty similar scenario tbh
Very
I was gonna comment this until I saw this 🤭 Absolutely the same case scenario.
It's crazy to me, the parallels between Marquez' and Verstappen's situations.
It wasn't really shitty though, but those bikes were pretty nasty to ride and only Marquez could extract the full potential of them
Once Honda was actually bad, even Marquez couldn't do that much to save Honda
Here for the Checo Perez redemption arc
This is what happens when you think one of your drivers is a God and the other is an idiot. Neither is Max a God nor is Checo an idiot. You have to strike a balance. Checo might not be on Max’s level, but trust me, that Red Bull seat wasn’t handed to him on a platter. He earned his spot and he bloody well knows how to drive an F1 car! But of course, when your life centres around your “star driver”, who’s gonna look at logic, right? No other team has this much disparity in their car for a reason, it’s all about the balance. Hopefully, Red Bull wake up and listen to Checo now…
Except max has been saying that the car is wrong since last summer…
Christian Horner is the worst when comes to striking the balance, remember Vettel-Webber?
Yes. This is ultimately redbull’s biggest weakness under Horner leadership. Inability to develop the 2nd driver and with that also not able to consistently nurture rookies. Their approach of putting maximum pressure on no.2s and tunnel vision on the no.1 driver is hurting them, but looks like at the very least Horner is learning from that - given his patience with Perez struggles. I just don’t think the rest of the organisation under him will adapt quickly - the culture is set.
Yh I don’t think they think that. Red bull had a rocketship, checo just couldn’t handle it.
@@Pkari they haven’t needed a #2 driver for the last two seasons
As a fan of Perez, seeing that RB has to now sleep in the bed they made feels like the biggest vindication.
Perez is holding the team back now. Now the car will be normal and not as dominant because he couldn't adjust like Max.
Checo, should now be given a championship chance!!!!
@@marvinmoise6558 Well Checo is on track to win the destructors championship this year, I guess now we know where all the money to develop the car went! Checo the GOAT 🔥
Whatever you think of Sergio Pérez, man can fuck with a car. His entire career was about making substandard cars do impossible things. Making him a number 2 is a massive loss for the viewers.
That's explicitly why Horner chose him in '21. His feedback is proven to improve deeply flawed cars, and he knows how to give precise feedback. Max just smooths over the issues of the car and (while the lows aren't as low), he doesn't seem to have the same level of specificity and detail as Checo.
Amen
If he could beat Max he'd be number 1 but he can't. He isn't good enough.
@@Klar, doesn't need to be. Red Bull weren't looking for a no. 1, and they won't as long as they have Max.
@@Klarwho is good enough tto beat max dummy? You’re not gonna come here and say something ridiculous like “lando, charles or piastri” are you?😂
the problem of constantly banking on Max is, while he might be a generational talent Checo still has more experience than him. So when he said something is wrong with the car they should have paid attention to that, in comparison with people like Bottas and Lewis (Lewis has more experience) and Alonso has way more experience than Lance. People with experience are 9/10 more expereinced when it comes to car develop than people who are just better at driving.
I mean bottas with merc not look like this year rb, how on earth your team mate got pole meanwhile u out of Q1 like how
@@ChoCho-db4zoWhen the gap between p1 and p16 is .700s then it’s extremely easy to get out early comparatively, especially with this video saying that the car is getting worse you can also imagine competitors are upgrading and getting better and closer. A .700s gap, a .300s gap is not a lot until when each position is only .050s away.
Of course Red Bull didn’t listen to Perez, he doesn’t matter to them outside his ability to assist max.
Money he brings with his sponsors and amount of Red Bulls that are sold in Mexico are not dismissable also.
Unfortunately he hasn't been up there with Max to support him often enough. To me that tells me that Perez was not up to the task of handling the car good enough, but if the car is a snappy beast to drive then I understand the reason for his quite varying results.
However I still see that he has made a bit too many mistakes leading to his race ending with a DNF and that's not just the car.
@@ehsnils it tells me they made car specifically for one person who has a unique driving style that is hard to replicate.
Perez is kept around by Horner's wife 😂
Yeah, cuz he is very slow. He is just a wingman. He is incapable of winning championships.
the gap between schumi and irvine was also bigger when the car was "worse", balance issues etc, but when the car was good, they were closer
This very much reminds me of that. But Today and Brawn realized that they couldn't develop the car properly with Schumacher as he could just adapt. There is that story of Irvine stepping into a car that Schumi had been lapping fast with and finding it undrivable with a broken suspension...
@@deerfootnzand it's not just with Ferrari. The Benettons were a PITA to drive too. Just ask anyone who's driven them- from Max's dad to Jean Alesi as to how the B194 and B195 were tough to handle.
In all fairness the 1996 Ferrari was undrivable and everyone saw that. The fact Michael won 3 times in that garbage was a miracle.
@@MikoyanGurevichMiG21Both Jos and Alesi were mediocre drivers. I rate Checo higher than both of them.
@@deerfootnzRubbish. Michael was the main driver in development of the car. It was his feedback that led to Ferrari finally having a decent car in 1999 and totally dominating car 2000-2004
The fact that Horner even admitted it publicly seems crazy to me.
I remember a poll asking if Red Bull made a mistake re-signing Perez and 80% of people said they did. I said way back then that the car was as good as Checo was driving, and Max was just that good.
same thoughts. I think checo is representative of what that car can do. Max is on another level that his pace looks good on paper than the car can actually do.
Put Checo in a Merc, Williams or a Mercedes powered Aston and i think hed be at the top of the midfield easily. I hope he gets out of tht RB if Max doesnt leave. I think hes still a quality driver
Max has been complaining about the car waaaaay before Monza 2024. I remember his radio messages in 2023 complaining about the car but since he was 12-20 seconds ahead at times, his engineers basically said “whatever, get on with it.” Max has always been clearly aware of what the problems were but he was able to adjust more adeptly for a lot longer. Justice for Checo
That is true. I remember Max losing his mind at Austin last year.
He won that with Lewis hunting him down.
Still, Sergio has been ignored way before that.
Max is too good, this also happened in 2020, confirmed by Wache
Y‘all are still going on with the „max is by far the best of all time and he would win in a haas“ bs? U fr? 😂
We’re seeing now that max is like every other top driver. If he has a great car that fits his driving style he will dominate but if he doesn’t have that he’s driving around in the midfield. Obviously max isn’t 6 tenths faster than perez, gasly and albon on pure pace. Red bull built the car for him and his unique driving style (obviously. Like merc for HAM. That’s not a diss towards max ffs) which is the best decision for the team. But it makes max look better than he is and his teammates worse than they are which led to all the fan delusions and Max fans can’t let go of their delusions. It’s insane
@SchweinerSchinkler how does all of this not mean that Max is insanely good? In a crap car he outperforms his teammate with ease. In a excellent car he still wins. He has slaughtered every teammate he had. And in this weekend race he starts P2, where is Checo? I know many do not like Max for various reasons, but no F1 fan can be taken serious when not saying Max is probably the best driver of this decade.
I was the minority in saying that Checo was getting screwed. People clowned and harassed others like me online.
I was with you but stopped commenting because people just got so hateful and personal with the responses
People, literally offended personally if you defend Checo in anything, me too
@@leighreese1780 f1 Community is the biggest bunch of toxic idiots in the world. I actually hate this community 😂
@@rafaelborrego36 right?!! Why can’t we all just have our favorites and express our opinion without all the vitriol? It does nothing to change my mind anyway just as Checo not performing at his optimum didn’t stop him from being my favorite.
I loved checos force India and Sauber stints even in the racing point checo was good, yeah not generational level of good but good regardless.
Hopefully he somehow just regains his form and clear out all his name from the social media crap and toxicity, like he did when he had to leave McLaren and join force india.
I just want the king of the streets back in action
Not listening to Perez ❌
Not listening to Toto ✅
Toto knew about this, and tried to warn Horner, but Horner didn't care.
Nobody needs to hear from either of these bickering, childish mouthpieces
he had it printed out
Horner told toto to change his car when toto aarned him. Now he is crying because he didn't change his car
Maybe he had his eyes in something else lol
@@grasstocher1234 Horner told toto to change his car when he blatantly was trying to use his influences to have a rule passed on porpoising which benefitted Mercedes massively. Not even then did Hamilcar manage to win a race that season, with him it's either fastest car or cry.
To be honest, I do feel a small sense of vindication for calling that Verstappen's skill was masking how tricky the Red Bull was to drive. But it also makes me worried about the future of Red Bull, especially in a post-Newey world.
i think the big difference between fernando and stroll, and lewis and bottas, is that in the particular case of rbr, checo is the one with the experience, the one that's known for working out the kinks of a car and developing a car and having good communication with engineers. they even list it as one of the reasons why they keep him around, his ability to develop a car. so it's just ridiculous that they IGNORED him, because if they don't listen to him, then why keep him? idk, the whole situation screams of pride and hubris, because checo warned the team, and they decided to throw him under the bus before admitting that they were making a mistake
I always thought botters was massivly underrated for beeing „only“ numer two but in hindsight he could addaped to a car that was made for number one just better.
Weren't you strongly calling for him to be dropped?
Exactly, same with all the other RUclipsrs
I seriously doubt the judgement of anyone not strongly calling for him to be dropped. Red Bull is objectively not the place for him, his inability to get that car into Q3 has probably cost them the constructors. Their preference for Max has made him look like a joke. I don't dislike him, and I think he's better than his time at Red Bull would suggest, but his departure from the team would be the best thing for all parties.
@@jammathaiI see it the other way around, that redbull need to address their inability to develop their number 2 drivers - it’s just as consistently bad as Checo’s problems but over a much longer period of time.
@@Pkari Good point.
Imagine if they put Ricciardo, Yuki, Lawson, or any other driver instead. Red Bull would be in an even worse place now.
I don’t know! if Stroll is having issues but Alonso ain’t, Aston Martin are gonna listen to Stroll
I think they have been listening to him since the W10 copy, hence the inconsistent performance from the team just like him
It'd be bad for Aston to listen to Stroll as well since he isn't someone with achievements like Checo.
@@Faisalalala It would also be bad for them to listen only to Alonso. Alonso himself has said as much because he can also drive around problems with his cars.
AM is not a real racing team though til lance is out, merely a well funded father son mariokart team
Finally Justice for Checos Name….. I have always questioned why in BAku 23 Max could not pass Checo, he was behind him most of the race, and then in Barcelona and Miami, MAx Passed him and finished 20 some seconds ahead. After Baku, the points gap in the Championship was 15! And then MAx outperformed Checo, and Checo made many “silly “ mistakes in a Car he had already dominated.
Just like Marc Marquez in Honda. When it is winning, no engineer will care how badly the other driver performs and all in to the lead driver until it fails.
Saying they are not compatible is an overstatement
They're not the perfect pair of course but again, we gotta take a look at Max' past teamates and how they have also struggle, and asume someone with similar style will also struggle, the car was for Max and for Max only
Checo managed to put great performances at some points where the car was on a stable point and he had enough time to adapt, case in point, the begining of this season, as soon as the upgrades started again he fell off again
He can adapt, won't be as fast as Max on a car built for Max thats obvious and that can work well if they want a strong pairing and a clear 1st driver, and just like with Baku, if they's skewed the car in Checo's favor he'd run circles around Max
So we know RB can produce a fairly balanced car with enough favoritism towatds Max, but this clearly got out of control and they're paying the price
Justice for Checo ✊🏻
For what ?? Crashing and costing team development money 😂😂
@@Sahil.Thomas Checo lives rent free in your mind 😂
@@rickyricardo2006 he replied to a comment about checo 😂.
Don’t think about pink elephants! 😂😂😂😂😂 pink elephants live rent free in your head hahahahahaha
In 2012, Lewis was happy with the car and Jenson was not and they prioritized solving Jenson's problem and lost the championship. Furthermore, they built 2013 cars to solve Juenson's problems and I think that was the start of their downfall.
You mean success?
@@michaelperkins1448 McLaren were going down in the 2010's due to a combination of factors, chief of which being the fallout of Spygate and the fact that Merc were re-prioritizing to their main works team. Once the V6T-HY engines came in, Merc were all in on their factory team, giving McLaren token support as an engine supplier.
Downfall being getting Lewis Rosberg Bottas a car that dominated from 2014 to 2019? Didnt Mercedes win like 5 straight after 2013?
@@adrianpaulochoa9825 McLaren 'GP2 Engine' Honda was running dead last in 2015. It doesn't matter who was dominating the grid or even who's on top ten, McLaren screwed up royally and they had nobody else to blame.
a couple of weeks ago everyone was bashing Perez for underperforming, I'm so happy that he stayed and drove so wonderfully in Baku (before Sainz crashing into him)
It may be rare in F1 (seriously, it's not if you're my age!), but in business it's incredibly common - give the business a cash cow product and it masks every problem that turns up, and every one after that, and in a few years you suddenly find that none of your processes work, all the best people have left, you've realced those people with "players" that don't actually understand the underlying tech, all your other products make no money compared to the cost to produce them, and you suddenly have no capability to do anything about any of it. Suddenly sounds reeeeeal familiar, huh?
I think this proves that the Checo conundrum is somewhere in the middle. That is to say he isn’t as bad as a lot of F1 fans claim to know he is, but he isn’t very good at adjusting to a new car. He’s clearly a very a good driver, but he needs to do better at adjusting to a new car. Same with Danny ric. Some drivers are absolutely phenomenal in the right car. It doesn’t even have to be a super fast car as long as it suits the driver. Remember, a rocket ship of a car doesn’t translate to winning of it doesn’t suit the driver. That’s the balance teams have to play, but I think a lot, if not most fans refuse to understand this concept. The car is a major major part of how good a driver can be. If you don’t agree with that statement, then perhaps Indy Car is more what you should be watching as those cars are damn near identical.
Gasly was actually way closer than people remember. The reason why he was dropped and never promoted again despite being a great driver was because he had a go at Adrien Newey in the garage like a child
Time for Max to get out of Redbull. They've clearly lost it and without Newey someone who always factored the driver feedback into his designs and upgrades, they're only going to have it harder.
Checo is my fav driver. Hope his performance turns up
I've been so disappointed with the way media and F1 fans have labelled Checo as "losing it" or "past his prime" when it was clear, even to a fan like me, that development was favouring Max.
I think the F1 world owes that man a massive apology.
To be fair, it's 50/50. Red Bull should have favored Checo a little the moment he began struggling hard, but even with a car more tailored towards your teammate, Checho crashing on his own hasn't been doing him any favours.
as someone who only started caring about f1 during the summer break is the best thing ever to happen. The red bull dynasty ending right as i join as a fan of the sport itself? Great honestly
As someone who has watched F1 my whole life, enjoy this season and probably next year. Because there will be another domination around the corner 😊. It's always been the same Schumacher, Vettel, Hamilton and Verstappen.
Red Bull dumps Perez for Lawson, Perez replaces bored Stroll at Aston Martin, Perez/Alonso do their own Hamilton/Rosberg for the driver's title in 2025
Oh man would THAT be epic or what?!!!
Unreal you think Perez would be able to even cough in Alonso's direction.
Perass stans really are something else. Without Mercedes sabotaging George in Sakhir 2020 Perass would be in a taco stand.
@@FrcNeru wow racist much?
I can get behind this
The only reason he saw so fast and kept winning was because Max had A symmetrical breaking why can’t people just understand that.
So basically, Red Bull is just Honda in MotoGP? Honda never made the best bike, it was difficult to handle, unpredictable and lacked power compared to the Italians but with Marc Marquez winning 6 MotoGP titles in the premiere class, the characteristics of the bike was sidelined. The issues began to appear in 2020 season with Marc getting severely injured (also being sidelined for the whole season) and nobody else to take the bike anywhere close to the championship, with the situation getting even worse in 2023 where the team had **~50 crashes in 21 weekends**. Now Marc left from Honda to Gresini (Ducati) and Honda has zero top 10 finishes whole season.
its funny because i had the same problem in f1 manager 23, it kept saying my car was 5th/6th best but i was dominating cause i had charles and carlos and they were out performing the car and masking its true shortfall and on a whim i switched both drivers just to spice things up then suddenly my cars performance stats matched up with on track outcomes and i was pissed and confused until i figured it out
Not saying it isnt true but I find it very reactiobary to go full "Checko was right all along" just because he beat Verstappen once on one of Checko's best tracks
This is so liberating as a checo fan having to defend against biased Europeans or casual fans
I am so tired of Checo CONSTANTLY being insulted and doubted. Every other week there have been calls to dump him. On the other week the stories are about dumping Daniel. Make up your mind!
YES. It's about damn time. I've been a Checo fan since I started watching F1 in '21, and seeing the way he's been treated has been infuriating. Ricciardo got too much faith, Pérez got none.
colapinto is better, cope
@@mojolmao1752what does colapinto have to do with this?
As a checo fan, how do you defend Singapore qualifying? He's P13 and Max is P2.
Are you a checo fan because he's mexican and you are also mexican? That's the only reason I'd see why people like checo.
He's not charismatic, he cheated on his wife, he's essentially a pay driver with the amount of sponsorships he has tied to him, and he's consistently wasted the best car on the grid for years.
'casual fans'
Anyone that watches the races can see that Max has been cruising to victories for years, and checo has been struggling to make it into Q3. He is washed up, old, and should probably retire so he has more free time to cheat on his wife.
Singapore 2024 Qualifying
Max: P2
Checo: P13
says it all tbh.
I think people are overcompensating. The car can be bad and Checo can also be bad. Regardless of the state of the car, Max is absolutely trouncing him.
This is an intelligent take, Red Bull would be in a better place with a driver closer to Max's style, which ironically they had with Albon, but unfortunately his inexperience combined with the original 2020 RB16 being the previous regs version of RB20 made him look off pace compared to Max.
Which is sort of what Ferrari had with Barichello and sometimes Irvine, although it was less obvious then because the car delta was much bigger.
Can Red Bull pivot if Max leaves? Without Newey, without Wheatley, with a boardroom battle raging behind the scenes and with a reputationally damaged Horner at the helm. No.
But Max has been complaining and warning the team about the cars narrow setup window since testing 2024? And Max became frustrated in Hungary when the engineers weren't listening! Which tells me that the engineers weren't listening to either drivers Max and GP just found a way around it! Adrian was already side lined as a consultant somewhere in 2023 when reading between the lines. So maybe RBR is missing part of the translation from track tot the drawing board for some time now?
Max was winning cause the car was literally built with more emphasize on Max's input/driving style. Even Albon said this.
2:57 if daddy Stroll got word anyone on his team was ignoring Lance, they’d be out the door.
We're looking at another 2009 season, but the roles are a bit different. Max won what he needed to, and now Mclaren will try to catch... and fail.
Button won 6 out of the first 7 races, and then barely got anywhere near, but it was enough. I didn't think Red Bull would fall off a cliff so badly, but it will be enough.
The 10 points or however many it was that "Mclaren took from Norris and gave to Piastri" (gigantic asterisk on that one) might actually be what it comes down to.
Great vid, I really agree with everything you've said here, let's hope for a Checo resurgence sometime soon
You're apart of the problem, so funny howe many RUclipsrs quick to eat checco out but always forget that HES the reason max is a champion
The thing is that max has been complaining about the car for over a year, saying there’s issues that need to be worked out. Yes, he won 19/22 last year and started hot. Yes, he over drove the car. But, critically, many of those wins were down to other teams making fatal errors on days that Red Bull were not the clear fastest car
So this whole thing is only half accurate. If max was happy and winning while Checo was bad, they absolutely would and should ignore him, but that hasn’t been the case
Could this not be a massive overreaction to one weekend ? Why are we jumping the gun that RB is certain this is the same issue? It was one weekend 😂
F1 social media is now football social media. Score 2 goals one week but generally crap? The G.O.A.T. Score 10 hattricks then don't score for a game? Overrated and terrible. The conversation is just dead, its sad. A bunch of corporate brand shills arguing over whos parasocial relationship makes them ubermensch
Redbull have been poor for like 8 races now and the trend looks like their performance will only drop, that mixed with a potential engine formula with the new regs and redbull having their own inhouse engine for the first time, wouldnt say its an over reaction. Redbull have gone from domination to imo i dont think they will have the best car on the grid for another 3-4 years and with that max will leave
It's ironic because Tommo was saying the exact same as everyone else about Perez when he was up for the chop. I respect Tommo, I respect the grift - it's his job and career after all. But his opinions aren't better than anyone else's just because he has better presented videos. Tommo's opinions are usually incredibly milquetoast and status quo oriented, he'd fit in well at Sky (not a compliment or a burn, just analysis).
One weekend?
Ever since they stopped letting Newey come to their meetings their car has been a useless tractor.
Because the statement made by Horner is outrageous to say the least.
Idk why this give me Marquez and Honda vibe. Marquez joining an arch nemisies (Ducati) after struggling in Honda
Max strugling in a car he hate to drive and joining an arch nemisies (Mercedes)
Feel like the argument for Ricciardo is that their driving styles are similar in a way that Red Bull knows and having them both in the car could help fix it quicker. Would be brutal on Checo...
Was the same with Marquez at Repsol Honda. His Talent masked the underlying flaws of the direction they were developing the bike.
Now once he left everything went t*ts up.
It's amazing how often you listen Grand Turismo 4 music in videos!
The 2026 regs could suit Checo.
Max already complained about the early 2026 sim runs, but Checo didnt.
And I still believe, that his data from that gave him the (otherwise undeserved) 2 year contract extension.
But interesting point about the 2021 Merc. I never thought about it like that :D
It's a fair assessment. I think Checo will see out the Red Bull contract, as the team will want a team player and all his sponsorship Pesos during what is likely going to be a massive period of upheaval. Then he'll retire from F1 and go back to Mexico as his countries best-ever F1 driver. All his business and charity interests will keep him busy, but reckons he'll have a crack at endurance racing at some point, it plays to all his strengths.
Okay, but Checo not reaching Q3 on most occasion was his fault
"everyone was gonna catch up eventually. field would always converge."
this is a wrong statement imo. and a popular one for some reason. logic dictates gap to leader would only get bigger because you take risks and make a lot of mistakes trying to catch up. and it was going like that till miami. stuff happening behind close doors as you say and we have no clue. i mean 2021 was close because fia chopped a big chonk off the floor.
Juan Pablo Montoya commented that on both drivers, Checo couldn’t brake as Max could. Marko, in Marko style, mocked JP weight. But in the summer an article went out about an asymmetrical break in Max car. They denied it, but the car started to fail after it.
Verstappen already in Barcelona said they were going the wrong way.
So there goes your theory I’m afraid.
Has nothing to do with 2 nr1 drivers or not.
They didnt listen to max either cuz he had complained about this too... But he was able to compensate at the state the car was
I remember reading an article back in 2021, wherein it was pointed out that the real reason why Red Bull didn’t produce a championship winning car between 2017 - 2020 was bcoz of Max cloaking the issues and driving around them, making the bad car look good. Apparently, Red Bull repeated the same mistake by overlooking the other drivers issues, and now it’s coming back to bite them
I've memed on Checo every once in a while, but I always felt that it was weird that a proven race winner and consistent driver would suddenly and inexplicably fall off a cliff despite really not being that old at 34. So at some point during this season I started to feel pretty certain that Max was just completely outperforming the car. That Checo was pretty close to the maximum of what could be reasonably expected out of the car and Max was just somehow finding 4-6 tenths out of nothing. He's just an insane driver. And no, I'm not a Max stan.
I'm really curious if Red Bull will manage to right this ship. But I'm not confident at all tbh. Maybe we'll really get a battle for WDC.
This is no exception to any other driver. If Ricciardo is called washed every race in and out, where does that leave Checo who has one good race in two years.
All of a sudden, Perez deserves an apology? Why?
Because no one believe the car is crap until Monza, where both 2 driver perform so suck enough to shock the fan
My wild prediction at the start of 2024 was that Danny Ric was being kept on at VCARB not to eventually call up in place of Perez, but in place of Max. Between the "Horndog Files" drama, Jos being a giant flapping anus to everyone not named Toto, top people leaving Red Bull's tech departments, Lawson being guaranteed a seat next year, and now it turning out that Max's dominating talent is as much a curse on the car development side as it is a blessing on the getting results side; I feel the prediction might not be so wild anymore.
What a load of shit
IMO it boils down to Max has better adaptability that Checo. Max will make do with what's given to him and drive fast whereas Checo needs something specific to perform well. Even in early 2022 when the cars were all overweight understeer-y boats Max was still winning races versus Checo who was in his element. In Baku 24, Max was doing fine until him and the team gambled a setup chance after FP3 which ruined the car. In the end Red Bull didn't listen to either driver and the car became shit.
But Max didn't really have to adapt the same way? The car was tailored for his, and against Checho's, preferences. He's certainly a generational talent but when it comes to adaptability he also had the easier job.
@@arglebargle5531 The car isnt tailored for him, the car is tailored to go unbelievably fast , it just happens that only Max seems to be able to cope with those extremes. So between making a car comfortable but not so quick and Fast but unstable, RedBull choose the latter which any team would do. Albon had already stated that before.
@@ashitkotian2396 Not true. Everyone knows that the car is on tip toes compared to the rest of the grid because Max loves sharp steering. This has been echoed by all previous RBR drivers too - Albon was probably trying to be diplomatic. RBR have never hidden that the car is tailored for Max. It's just a known fact.
@@ashitkotian2396the car isnt tailored to go fast, its tailorrd to go fast only in the hands of max. Cars dont drive themselves, teams have to take their better driver into account when developing the car.
Max only asked for the fastest car, only thing is sharp oversteer is faster ans he adapted better. Tuning the car for Checo is basically nerfing the car.@@arglebargle5531
Max hasn’t had to adjust his driving style either. The dude’s been in RB’s cocoon since 2014. It’s different when you switch teams.
As a Daniel Ricciardo fan, still want to see the redemption arc when paired with Max. They have the same driving style, surely it would make constructor championship better
From when red bull removed the rear braking device max has gone downhill where as checo may not have ever had that device fitted 🤔
You make a good point about the car "style" with the Danny Ric McLaren comparison but it also feels like the teams will never take this factor on board. It would mean their strategy would be to have two evenly matched drivers with similar or identical driving styles which would cost them some races. Take MV and LH out of the picture and what you see is that each of the drivers are just naturally better at some circuits than others, the track suits their style a bit better. I think the teams are trying to cover vulnerabilities by choosing to run to slightly mismatched drivers (think Sainz and Leclerc). Then if that goes too far and the car moves too far from their style, the driver gets dropped for not adapting...
They've ignored both drivers when it comes to development. They even ignored Newey and sidelined him for the majority of its development.
Checo is fuming
Indeed Checo issues have been ignored. One thing for sure, let’s ignore Jos. He won’t add value to the game, to the constructor and to the driver.
Tommo, I honestly think you're playing too much into this "teams need a clear 1-2 pairing to succeed" narrative. This isn't always true, like how many times did the second wing actually got involved actively in the fight? Just a few. How many times did an even pair pushed each other forward, mutually stealing points from external rivals? A good few.
2007 Ferrari was there to capitalize on McLaren's fumbles, but Kimi and Felipe were both in contention for most of the season, it's not like they won cause they solely focused on Kimi.
2010 and 2012 Ferrari instead had a clear 1-2 but Felipe was too far to help, while Webber was helpful stealing points even if he wasn't playing second fiddle.
It really does depend on a series of factors, it's not like there is one single winning formula when it comes to driver pairings. Sometimes you wish they were closer, sometimes you don't. I think it's a coin flip, and you shouldn't be so tunnel visioned criticizing McLaren, Redbull or whatever
Idk if I completely agree with this. I see what you mean by following the driver that is winning. But if one is consistently complaining about the car then it’s worth looking into. You don’t completely blow him off.
Max carrying that car to wins while his teammate was struggling and covering up the issue for a year just speaks levels of his skill. Absolute all time top 5 driver and the best in the world rn.
It was not the same car!
You missed the point my guy 😂. The issues with the car didn’t affect max because of his different driving style.
Mate please stop with the max glazing. We’re seeing now that he couldn’t win in a haas. Why are y’all still going on with the insane glazing?
I'm sure them not listening to 2nd driver doesn't just extend to Perez I'm sure Albon, Gasly, and Ricciardo voices fell on deaf ears.
Solid Vid.
Solid points made...
Keep it up!
yeah listen to the guy 1 sec slower in quali
Max is such an incredibly talented driver that he can "drive around" aqlmost any problem with a car - but RB SHOULD have listened to him when he said "something is wrong, please wake up!!
They didn't and now the car is so bad versus the competition that even the "Max Factor" is gone.
We shouldn't be too hard on Checo because there is no shame in being a lesser driver than Max.
RB actually dug their own grave by not listening to Max when he was still winning races one after the other.
He is THAT good in "feeling the car" so having one of the best driver ever actually backfired on them.
The same thing happened for Mercedes when Russell won in Brazil. They thought they'd got it right because he'd been so good. The next year was one of their worst ever. 🤷🏻♀️
Didn't age that well, they were much better in Singapore, Checo 10th and can't beat Nico in a Haas. Checo is just shit. Like Albon said, the car is what it is, it is quick, but the way Max drives it is out of this world, you start to make mistakes and fall further and further behind him because of the pressure and that is what everyone saw with everyone except Daniel, at least Albon has the guts to blame himself not the car.
Tommo has been sponsored by squarespace more times than I have spoken to women
They did have a hint he was right. That’s why he wasn’t fired.
In MotoGP something similar happened with Marc Márquez and the Honda, which is now a disaster of a bike, unrideable.
we did get a hint of it in imola when checo said that currently max and him are now in the same baot, buit we didnt notice cause max
Your point about Checo probably being a menace in the Mercedes 2021 car. When Checo was announced to Red Bull, Toto Wolff was actually concerned about Checo's knowledge of the Mercedes engine and how he could feed that information to Honda. Checo would 100% be a menace in the 2021 Mercedes for sure.
I still take this with a pinch of salt, Checo has been bad with crahes too which cost the team in this era. I mean even when he was good last race he crashed. But this is a good wakeup call to RedBull as to what happens when you fly close to the limits of what arguably one of the best drivers in the history of F1 can cope with and once it reaches that cliff, its a freefall.
Checo likes understeery cars so it would make sense he crashes a lot due to the oversteery nature of the car
So you know you answered your own concerns right. He probably crashed a lot cause the car was fighting him.
The ammount of cope in these comments are next level. They tried listening to Perez and almost costs Max the title. Its the worst teamate for Max.
It's just like what Repsol Honda did with Márquez.
Seems to be a theme with any Honda partnership.
The performances really are a representation of the two drivers. Checo has driven several iterations of Formula 1 car, so he can quickly tell when something is off. Max isn’t looking to develop the car, he’s usually looking to improve his lap times with what he is given. He knows he has the skill to get every hundredth of a second out of the RB and puts his energy there. I’m not saying Checo is lazy and not pushing, but it is easier to try to dial in a setup that always keeps you out of the wall than to blindly trust the tires will grip in lap 17 of a stint
Reminds me a lot of what happened to Honda in Motogp. Marc Marquez has one of the greatest seasons of all time in 2019, while every other honda rider struggled for points. This lack of pace from non Marquez riders didn't faze Honda that much because as long as Marquez was dominating they were happy. Well in the first race of 2020 Marquez got a season ending injury and all of a sudden Honda had to face the fact that their bike was horrible for anyone but Marquez. Ever since then Honda has been the worst of the Motogp constructors by a distance due to the fact that while they were neglecting to develop the bike for anyone but Marquez they had been vastly overtaken by everyone else.
I think it's pretty evident now why Red Bull chose not to boot Checo after the summer break, they knew it wouldn't have changed much if anything because at its core it wasn't and still isn't a Checo problem, Checo's problems are merely a symptom of a much larger car problem that Max's just good enough to drive around, but Max is also a 1/3-5 in a generation class driver. Red Bull pretty much knows that no matter who they throw into the second seat at present they won't perform to spec because it's the car that's the real issue, and if they can solve that then Checo will be back to being good enough to at least work that supporting role well enough that there won't be an imminent need to switch him out. This isn't to say that Checo doesn't have issues with the car, he does, it's simply a case of that car being so problematic that it doesn't matter. Something mind, that BOTH drivers have been quite vocal about, especially this year.