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this is the second madlad you've covered that I've known! I first met him at the palais in '86, he didn't chuck me out for being underage because I'd ordered a pint of vodka. "you down that and you can stay" so I did lol I'd snuck in for the feet first chrismas party because it was a psychobilly gig. the next time I went he told me "you're a mental little bastard, behave". bumped into him on the set of the bill too, he remembered me as "vodka pint size". calling him a bully is out of order. he battered people that picked on smaller people. edit : '85
It takes several generations to fix that kind of thing, most families like this just continue the cycle and it takes a special kind of character to recognize this and stop it.
@@MisogynyMan Yeah, so. Nobody says he's not a rough hard bastard, but he could've very easily been a abusing piece of shit to his kids. Watch the interview if both his children, nieces and nephews, and they'll tell you, he never brought it home.
He is the example of why childhood trauma should never be used as an excuse for domestic violence. Listening about how he tried so hard to be the best family man he could be despite his own inner demons was heartwarming.
"the example of why childhood trauma should never be used as an excuse for domestic violence". No, he isn't. People develop multi types of psychoses when they experience childhood trauma and their are many types of trauma.
@@gmonkman so... "mommy beat me with a belt if i looked at her funny" is an excuse to beat the shit out of your kid for looking at you funny? im i understanding you right?
@@dierdred_the_gray It doesn't make it right, or okay, but that doesn't mean it's not *also* the only reason it happened. So, less ''excuse" and more "totally valid explanation for why you ended up doing heinous shit". As other comments commending Lenny for breaking the cycle of violence have said, it takes a special character. Not everyone has that special character, or can have it after being abused - if they could, domestic violence would be over. It would have been over long ago. If it's an excuse, it's not an excuse in the sense that you have to take time off their sentence, but maybe it's excuse in the sense of "have a little sympathy for the devil maybe, yeah?". Plenty of fucked up folks out there with childhoods just like Lenny's who repeat the cycle and it's not like they're happy to be that way - just like Lenny probably didn't want to be snapping at his daughter for chewing too loud. That probably didn't make him feel too good about himself, reacting that way. The man probably felt like a complete dick afterward. But could he help it? No. Does the history of abuse excuse you being a temperamental bastard who regularly flies into rages and frightens the shit out of your children? Yeah, probably. At least in that "have a little sympathy" sense.
No, instead he used it as an excuse for violence in general and chose to have violence as a personality trait instead of getting mental help. He was a lieing sore loser who refused accountability for anything.
@@joeycampbell940 Jesus fucking Christ, you can't be serious right? The guy was successful ASF even when he lost. Him at his lowest is you at your best
I watched a documentary about Lenny “The Gu’nor McLean” and he was an incredibly interesting fella. But the thing I remember most about it, is an old interview where the lady interviewing him made a joke about him beating his kids, to which he instantly responded with “NO, I never hit my kids. Cause they’re my babies!” The fact that a man that big, powerful and known for being capable of violence became disgusted by the idea of hitting his children, that sticks with me. “Treat kindness with kindness, but treat violence with violence.”
@@robertnguyen9493 because if you did you would know that they are your kids. You love them regardless. There’s no such thing as “he was a violent man in a fight but he didn’t hurt his children”. It’s out of the question hurting your own children. Doesn’t even belong in same park
The fact that he didn't pass on his trauma to the next generation is truly a feat that should be respected. Even though he was brutally violent that was nothing in comparison to his monstrous father, hearing his story and just imagining a little 5 6 year old boy whos almost beaten to death, really brings tears to my eyes 🥲.
I think he left it, out of respect for Len's son Jamie, who was one of the people behind the fairly recent biopic of McLean, with Michael Bisping playing Roy Shaw.
As a MacLean I'll just consider the Die Hard movies to be an homage to him lol. Nah I joke, would be badass to have a guvnor movie. They made one for Charles Bronson. Lenny boy had an interesting life.
In 1989 my dad used to go out raveing in London. The 'head doorman' at some of the clubs was Lenny. Years later, it turned out that Lenny and his 'security staff' were responsible for most of the E's that were sold in those venues.
In a documentary, Lenny described his demeanor as a nightclub bouncer, he would give a rowdy male customer one polite warning like "Excuse me Sir, but you mustn't do that please, thank you.". If the customer stepped out of line again, he then non-verbally demonstrated grabbing him with both arms and inflicting grievous bodily harm in a surprise attack like a grizzly bear. Shocking but effective.
I was a bouncer for nearly 30 years and I can tell you with absolute certainty that if there were still guys like Len on the doors there wouldn't be the current epidemic of drink spiking or dumb wannabee throwing their weight about. The SIA licence has totally ruined the industry and put a lot of people, both incapable doorstaff and customers, at risk. There was a reason why hard men were on the doors, not to bully people but to stop trouble and the most effective way of doing that is to make sure that anyone who is thinking about causing a problem knows beyond doubt that if they do it will end badly for them. Once the trouble makers know this they no longer want to cause trouble.
Lenny probably had a testosterone level of 2,000 at some time.Fists as big as a girl's head.Dangerous man no doubt in a bar.Of course most pro hw boxers would beat him in a ring.
@@sambrooks7862I could tell you if you behaved in the local bars in my area as a bouncer there is a good chance you would eventually start a fight with the wrong guy and end up getting shot.
We actually call my grandad “grandad guvnor” because of how much he looks like Lenny, cockney ex boxer too. Only found out his name was Lawrence when i was 12.
Dude, your one off lines are glorious "His later career had left him a bit shaken." I'm dying! I just discovered this channel 2 days ago and I can't stop watching. You're gold, mate!
Met him when he worked the doors, literally a gian beast in a dapper suit. I had no idea of his status, I thought all bouncers were like this! He was the first bouncer I'd ever seen. The Turkish feller was there too. I hold all bouncers to this standard of visible implied force. Anyway they were nice and polite chaps who recommended a few places around town.
@@BardicGM It's one of two outcomes. Either you'd see World War 3. Or you'd find that rare occasion where two really vicious blokes, aware of eachothers reputation both simply nod toward eachother and go about their day.
Given they both seemed to hate bullies and such... i would hate to see some arse hole get on their bad sides... then again, maybe not given those two, would be one hell of show.
Mate, I just subscribed. That was one of the most balanced descriptions I have ever heard. RIP Lenny McLean, a fucking scary man to meet in the flesh. I say this as a fighter (old now) who recognizes greatness, his speed and absolute 100% aggression was tempered; he wasn't just muscle, he had a brain and a heart and a 'flip-switch' that left you fearing his wrath. A good man of the old school, take it back 400 years and he could have been a Baron or a King? I don't like to admit I felt frightened (sometimes) but I will admit that Lenny 'gave me the willies' and I was sure I couldn't beat him because I felt the rage in his handshake, it was solid but there was a tremor of 'holding back' (plus he outweighed me by at least 3 stone), I was young and fast and could smash bricks with my hands, Lenny McLean was harder than any bricks I ever seen. Ironically enough, Pax dude.
I just watched 'Lock, Stock...' last night for the first time in ages. I had no idea about Lenny's backstory. He just had that authenticity as the Baptist in that film. Always wondered why I never saw more of him. Now I know. Great Ep! 👍
My brother-in-law showed me Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels as a teenager. Still one of my all time favorite movies. (20+ years later) and it *is* soooo *underrated* .
“If you don’t want to be counting the fingers you don’t have…” “He’s a fucking thief” Just 2 of the lines I remember from Lock Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels! 😂
@Contentibus it’s a great film…I’ll always remember me and some friends seeing it at the cinema after not really knowing much about it. Turned out to be a brilliant decision
As a father to a beautiful soul of a boy I am shocked and saddened whenever I hear of kids living through hellish conditions. People can be absolutely horrible.
I saw lock Stock and two smoking barrels back in high school and really enjoyed it it’s one of many dvds that nobody else even heard about but me. I’m gonna have to rewatch it soon. Holy shit man Lenny was such an impressive figure in his day. You really don’t have many of those around anymore
He was such a unique character Lenny. But I think I'd rather fight a full grown and hungry tiger, after catching me trying to steal one of her cubs, than get in the ring with the Guv'nor. I've watched unlicensed bare Knuckle fights, and you couldn't pay me enough to take part. I love the way he doted on his family too, and glad to hear his daughter made peace with their issues after his death. I didn't realize he was so young when he died though. Only three years older than I am now. Cancer scares the shit out of me.
"Harry had a colleague, a monster of a man: Barry the Baptist." Now knowing that Barry was played by a man that might have actually drowned someone for not paying their debts, it just makes "Lock, Stock" an even greater movie.
I'd love to see a video about your career as a bouncer. I have a mate who worked the doors in West London and he told me some wild shit. I can only imagine Glasgow is a lot more colourful.
Man id love to be a bouncer how do you go about doing that I’m a big guy and a trainer fighter most importantly I dealt table games in a casino for my entire adult life which I imagine is very similar
Dank told some stories about it in a PKA podcast recently, obviously a dedicated video from the man himself would be better but at least some stories are already here for us to know about Dank's past as a doorman (and other topics).
Please do a Mad Lads on John “Mac” McAleese, SAS guy who stormed the iranian embassy, ex Royal Engineer etc. His interviews are hilarious when they were trying to do the SAS for war crimes. A Mad lad and a Top lad too. RIP.
That would be very interesting, but I think the only thing that's been declassified about him was the Iranian embassy. Nobody knows how many operations he was involved in. But yeah, RIP. Those lads are tougher than coffin nails.
Considering Lenny was viciously bullied and beaten by his step dad I’ve read numerous accounts of him being a bully himself. Approaching men in pubs and demanding they fight him and then beat them severely. Frank Warren promoted one of his fights and has gone on record saying Lenny was a nasty bully.
I guess I'm too old to think of "Lock Stock" as underrated as I remember that when it came out my friends and I watched it scores of times, and being that age, it was constantly quoted. Hell, to me, despite being in tons of roles after, the actors who played Soap and Tom are just Soap and Tom and I think Rory is one of the best characters from any of his films. Snatch was obviously much bigger and watched even more, but I'd argue RocknRolla is Ritchies only properly underrated film.
Reminds me of my grandpa, grew up during communism dirt poor eating marmelade and prunes with bread, all the nastiness. He was the human version of a honey badger crackhead. Told me a story of how he fought a neighbour and punched him around 30 times in the head lmao. All because he insulted my grandma💀💀. He's 82 now and calmed down but at times I can see that flicker in his eyes.
I know it's tacky to make Mad Lad requests in comments, but I'd like to suggest *Arland Dean Williams Jr* ,aka The Sixth Passenger. Saved five fellow survivors of a commercial airline crash, but sacrificed himself in the process. Just an average man who made the ultimate sacrifice when put on the spot. EDIT: Maybe he'd be Mini MadLad material.
@@spiritmatter1553 Well, the Wikipedia page for "Arland D Williams Jr" gives more info than I can summarize, but here's my rundown: In January 1983, a departing airliner carrying 80 people clipped the top of a bridge and crashed into the freezing Patomac River in Washington DC. 74 died on impact, but the scrambled rescue copter identified 6 survivors in the ice and wreckage. It extended its onboard tether down to them. One man, seemingly more alert than the others, grabbed the rope. But instead of allowing himself to be hoisted, he secured it to another survivor. This process repeated five times, with the man repeatedly taking the tether and attaching it to the others. Finally, when the mystery man was the only one not safely aboard, the wreckage he was clinging to finally sank, taking him with it. It took more than a year to positively identify who he was, and up until then he was simply called "The Sixth Passenger." When Arland's body was recovered, it was discovered he had been severely injured in the crash. It's generally accepted that he knew he was dying, which is why he gave the lifeline to the others. The rebuilt bridge was named after Arland, and the Sarah Hickman song "Last Man In The Water" is about him. So is the docudrama "Flight 90: Disaster on the Potomac." To this day, Arland Dean Williams Jr is a personal hero of mine. An ordinary man in a horrific scenario that traded his own life for five others. I hope to never be in his position, but if I am, I pray I have the same strength of spirit.
I'm just happy that I grew up in a time when you could still call a guy out and settle it in the yard. People are too quick to anger these days and even quicker at acting irrationally. I don't get angry that easily anymore, and it's been years since I had to show hands, but I would still take it outside if I needed to and there were no weapons. Other than knowing it's going to hurt the next day, a good squabble was great stress relief and that euphoric feeling at the start is unmatched. 👍🙂👊👊👊
I don’t know how old his children were when he passed, but I know it couldn’t have been easy losing him at such a young age. I lost my father when I was 25 and he was 54, and my mother when I was 30 and she was 51. Both gone far too soon. Even though I had an excellent relationship with both of them, it was still devastating and to this day I still have my bad days when I just break down because I miss them so much. And more than that, I hurt for all the events in my life that they haven’t been, and won’t be there to witness and go through them with me. I miss them every day. I’m glad that Kelly was able to make peace with the past. I have to make peace with my future. I hope his family are doing well, and I wish them all the best.
He stopped drinking after the incident with his friend where he bit a chunk out his throat. Alcohol would make the monster come out, he would instead often be spotted with a cup of tea from then on
Mad Lads suggestion: Alexander "Superkiller" Solonik He was a Russian hitman who assassinated 30 mob bosses, after retiring from contract killing he formed his own mob. He was a mob boss for 2 years when he was supposedly assassinated, but many believe he faked his death.
I was fascinated by the guv'nor in Lock Stock and couldn't find anything when I tried to Google him all those years ago. Very glad you made this video, it was a great watch
@@nothanks9503 No, sad that he and a lot of men and women were born into houses full of violence and abuse. I thought I made that clear. That's just not normal.
@@nothanks9503 Yep, it is widely known, that every father figure is abusive. Where do you get this garbage? How many kids do you know, that get beaten so bad the break their legs arms ribs etc? Let me guess, you live in a place with lots of single mothers? Since this kind of behavior is about 8-10 times more likely by a step parent.
He had some really fast 👐 and not just for a big man but for any man. Not to mention his obvious power and lastly and most importantly his attitude and will to use his whole body as a weapon. Headbutt, biting, eye gouging, anything. Attitude, toughness, and will to do what the other guys won't is paramount! I'm no Lenny but I've been in the mix and had many bare knuckle fights
My great uncle John fought under ground and was a huge man. I remember him and he was punch drunk from street fights. Bare fist fighting is so Uncivilized. GOD bless Lenny.
I realy do appreciate your hard work and research you put into these, the last few weeks i have been watching a few things on the Governor and BOOOM you do this one. Put a completely different light on him :)
My grandfather also named Tony Oliver was another feared doorman. He was great friends with Lenny as well as Alan Crossley who was Britains strongest man during the mid 80's.
If you're interested in doing more sports related Mad Lads, you should consider researching Keiichi Tsuchiya. He's an old Japanese race car driver who got his start racing down mountain streets at night eventually becoming an elite among elites. In his professional races, the margin between him and second place was often so significant, he would flex his car control skills oversteering the vehicle and driving while sideways through the corners, IN CARS FROM THE 1980's! Thats not mentioning that his nontraditional use of drifting in his races sparked popularity for drifting as a whole.
@@justabunny999 He's quite literally the person who inspired the creation of Initial D. The story is supposedly loosely based around his early years as a street racer. From what I understand he also helped with some logistical work on Initial D and Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift as well. A lot of the drifting you see in Tokyo Drift is actually Keiichi, they even had to tell him to DRIVE WORSE so the main character gradually learning to drift would be more believable.
Sounds dope I know some hooligans who drive fast around here and they always liked the yakuza race crew ideal of if you crash or fuck up in any way you’re out of the crew because it brings heat from the cops these hoodlums are so precise and get into trouble so infrequently that the cops basically gave them the roads around the prison to race on a big part of which is called race road
+1 Keiichi Tsuchiya is a true absolute madlad that is still with us to this day. His real life story and accomplishments are absolutely insane, especially when you see his skills in action. It's just absurd.
@@poppedweasel No, you're mistaken. I suggest you watch the scene again. He's talking to the 2 Scousers who robbed the guns from the stately home. They sold the valuable shotguns to Nick the Greek, and Barry suggests they get them back. Money isn't mentioned.
@@Paddy.C I think you'll find that this the OPs quote is Barry talking to Eddy (Stings son in the film) about the money he lost, and therefore, the debt he owed as a result of playing cards
There is something about Great British brawlers. There is something about the juxtaposition of the British Empire with its aristocracy, and a god-damn bar brawler. "Would you like a cup of tea with your beating, sir?"
Quite often just younger, stronger and faster. Martial arts are something you age out of competitively. A 50 year old man can't keep up with a 25 year old in prime fighting shape. Simply a fact of life.
Met him a few times when i used to go to the Pallie back in the day. "You look a bit pissed; you going to behave?" "Well i have work tomorrow and my Mum is going to bollack me if I if i don't". "Alright, behave yourself". - good times. :-)
I read his book "the Guvnor" a few years back and it was great! The guy lived an interesting life to put it mildly. If it was like these days no doubt he would of been put into care and his step dad thrown in jail (rightly so). Thanks for the upload!
I worked the bar at Camden Palace back in the mid 80's when Lenny was the head of security. His fist was four times the size of mine! I only knew him after he stopped drinking so my knowledge is limited, but he was a gentleman, albeit a scary one. They do not make them like him anymore.
When I see you upload, your cheeky grin puts a smile on my face, My late boyfriend loved bloke to be a bloke especially if 2 days beard growth looks like yours(and what his looked like) he was always proud of his beard, We loved watching your videos together, Something we had in common. We both loved to learn something new. Together was nice. Thankyou for making good memories. R I P Luke, miss you boo.
Ad mortem sic vita fluit, velut ad mare flumen. Vivere nam res est dulcis, amara mori. Restituunt furtum fures, vi rapta, latrones. Omnia mors aufert, restituitque nihil. Latus ad occasum, unquam rediturus ad ortum. Vivo hodie, moriar cras, here natus eram.
Growing up surrounded by the ageing remnants of London's last crop of old school hard men, this psychological state was more common place than people probably think. Growing up, I was surrounded by tough, psychologically damaged men who flew to violence far too quickly. I didn't know Lenny, but this video brings up a lot of emotions. Most of these guys were never truly happy. They loved to fight, but other than that, there was always a tension in the air that would never quite clear. Looking back now in 2022 at these monsters of men as people who heeded help is something that would have been impossible to approach with them at the time. It does make you wonder what life would have been like for them if they received the help some of them clearly needed.
I've got a signed fight poster from Lenny McLean for when he fought Roy Shaw. A friend gave it me years ago, I know nothing of the guy so this will give some interesting information I'm sure.
If you can get the autographs on that authenticated that'll be worth good money to a collector. That's a rare piece of English social history you have there.
@@jamiewulfyr4607 I was mistaken..it's signed by Roy not Lenny! But yeah I guess it could be worth something to the right person, I'll have to look at getting it authenticated next time I go to England.
He was called "Ten men Len" because it would take ten men to put him away? Lenny was pretty nails, but he got left asleep by Cliff Field twice, once getting knocked out with a jab. Johnny Waldron put him away cold -twice I think, middleweight kevin Paddock and George "Pappy" Langley ko'd him. Of course none of those names are mentioned in Lennys book. As for Roy Shaw having only two losses, with both being to Lenny... nah, Shaw had various losses. He got absolutely ripped twice by Paul Sykes for a start.
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Hey Giant P. it was nice seeing you on FNT
Charles Bronson next please, the prisioner not the actor
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this is the second madlad you've covered that I've known!
I first met him at the palais in '86, he didn't chuck me out for being underage because I'd ordered a pint of vodka.
"you down that and you can stay" so I did lol
I'd snuck in for the feet first chrismas party because it was a psychobilly gig.
the next time I went he told me "you're a mental little bastard, behave".
bumped into him on the set of the bill too, he remembered me as "vodka pint size".
calling him a bully is out of order. he battered people that picked on smaller people.
edit : '85
The fact that a victim of child abuse never passed that abuse onto his children speaks volume about the character of Lenny McLean.
It takes several generations to fix that kind of thing, most families like this just continue the cycle and it takes a special kind of character to recognize this and stop it.
Jake the snake aswell
He threw a till at a guys head over 1 penny
@@MisogynyMan Based
@@MisogynyMan Yeah, so. Nobody says he's not a rough hard bastard, but he could've very easily been a abusing piece of shit to his kids. Watch the interview if both his children, nieces and nephews, and they'll tell you, he never brought it home.
He is the example of why childhood trauma should never be used as an excuse for domestic violence.
Listening about how he tried so hard to be the best family man he could be despite his own inner demons was heartwarming.
"the example of why childhood trauma should never be used as an excuse for domestic violence". No, he isn't. People develop multi types of psychoses when they experience childhood trauma and their are many types of trauma.
@@gmonkman so... "mommy beat me with a belt if i looked at her funny" is an excuse to beat the shit out of your kid for looking at you funny?
im i understanding you right?
@@dierdred_the_gray It doesn't make it right, or okay, but that doesn't mean it's not *also* the only reason it happened. So, less ''excuse" and more "totally valid explanation for why you ended up doing heinous shit". As other comments commending Lenny for breaking the cycle of violence have said, it takes a special character. Not everyone has that special character, or can have it after being abused - if they could, domestic violence would be over. It would have been over long ago.
If it's an excuse, it's not an excuse in the sense that you have to take time off their sentence, but maybe it's excuse in the sense of "have a little sympathy for the devil maybe, yeah?". Plenty of fucked up folks out there with childhoods just like Lenny's who repeat the cycle and it's not like they're happy to be that way - just like Lenny probably didn't want to be snapping at his daughter for chewing too loud. That probably didn't make him feel too good about himself, reacting that way. The man probably felt like a complete dick afterward. But could he help it? No. Does the history of abuse excuse you being a temperamental bastard who regularly flies into rages and frightens the shit out of your children? Yeah, probably. At least in that "have a little sympathy" sense.
No, instead he used it as an excuse for violence in general and chose to have violence as a personality trait instead of getting mental help. He was a lieing sore loser who refused accountability for anything.
@@joeycampbell940
Jesus fucking Christ, you can't be serious right? The guy was successful ASF even when he lost. Him at his lowest is you at your best
“Lenny’s cancer battle ended in a draw”
I don’t know why but that hit really hard in the heart.
It's a Norm Macdonald reference, one of the best comedians to have ever gone to the University of Science.
Aaah Norm, sweet Norm. God i miss that guy.
@@----.__ miss that lump of coal
I watched a documentary about Lenny “The Gu’nor McLean” and he was an incredibly interesting fella. But the thing I remember most about it, is an old interview where the lady interviewing him made a joke about him beating his kids, to which he instantly responded with “NO, I never hit my kids. Cause they’re my babies!” The fact that a man that big, powerful and known for being capable of violence became disgusted by the idea of hitting his children, that sticks with me.
“Treat kindness with kindness, but treat violence with violence.”
What a tasteless joke to make
@@naranara1690 yeah, I thought so too
Robert when you have kids you’ll realise why this comment is ridiculous
@@arthurmorgan7086 seeing as I will probably never have kids perhaps you should explain to me what exactly makes this comment ridiculous.
@@robertnguyen9493 because if you did you would know that they are your kids. You love them regardless. There’s no such thing as “he was a violent man in a fight but he didn’t hurt his children”. It’s out of the question hurting your own children. Doesn’t even belong in same park
The fact that he didn't pass on his trauma to the next generation is truly a feat that should be respected. Even though he was brutally violent that was nothing in comparison to his monstrous father, hearing his story and just imagining a little 5 6 year old boy whos almost beaten to death, really brings tears to my eyes 🥲.
Stepfather. Important difference.
generational trauma isn't real.
@@AR15andGOD The Great Sky Wizard isn't real.
That was really one of the most noble testaments of all: he stopped the cycle of violence on his own, and his kids loved their dad. ❤
@@AR15andGOD the most wonderful state of mind is your own delusion.
If Guy Ritchie had any sense, he'd write and direct a film about Lenny's life.
The movie would be a smasher.
I think he left it, out of respect for Len's son Jamie, who was one of the people behind the fairly recent biopic of McLean, with Michael Bisping playing Roy Shaw.
What do you think snatch was?
@@scrubsrc4084 this
There is actually the rights to his film. My dad was at one time part of an effort to get it made.
As a MacLean I'll just consider the Die Hard movies to be an homage to him lol.
Nah I joke, would be badass to have a guvnor movie. They made one for Charles Bronson. Lenny boy had an interesting life.
In 1989 my dad used to go out raveing in London. The 'head doorman' at some of the clubs was Lenny. Years later, it turned out that Lenny and his 'security staff' were responsible for most of the E's that were sold in those venues.
I'd be about your dads age, use to frequent Camden Palace, often met Lenny, he'd hoover down the Charlie
Delerium back in the day was fantastic.
_Got any salmon? Looovely_
Well duh
Sounds like Rise of The Footsoldier
All I can say is that's a hell of a lot of life to live in just 49 years. What an absolute mad lad.
In a documentary, Lenny described his demeanor as a nightclub bouncer, he would give a rowdy male customer one polite warning like "Excuse me Sir, but you mustn't do that please, thank you.". If the customer stepped out of line again, he then non-verbally demonstrated grabbing him with both arms and inflicting grievous bodily harm in a surprise attack like a grizzly bear. Shocking but effective.
I’m normally nice to bouncers but this reminds me that I should probably be nicer
I was a bouncer for nearly 30 years and I can tell you with absolute certainty that if there were still guys like Len on the doors there wouldn't be the current epidemic of drink spiking or dumb wannabee throwing their weight about. The SIA licence has totally ruined the industry and put a lot of people, both incapable doorstaff and customers, at risk. There was a reason why hard men were on the doors, not to bully people but to stop trouble and the most effective way of doing that is to make sure that anyone who is thinking about causing a problem knows beyond doubt that if they do it will end badly for them. Once the trouble makers know this they no longer want to cause trouble.
@@theowainwright7406 Always make friends with the bouncers.
Lenny probably had a testosterone level of 2,000 at some time.Fists as big as a girl's head.Dangerous man no doubt in a bar.Of course most pro hw boxers would beat him in a ring.
@@sambrooks7862I could tell you if you behaved in the local bars in my area as a bouncer there is a good chance you would eventually start a fight with the wrong guy and end up getting shot.
Lenny gets accused of short changing the guy for a penny, so Lenny dashes the till at his head. Brings a new meaning to “penny for your thoughts.”
In for a penny, in for a pound(ing)
@@oz_jones *out for a pounding
Ask about a penny you get the lenny.
I always love the Danks-giving episodes
That’s very funny to Americans…. I forget how international the audience is… well done 👍🏻…
So do I.... but Thanksgiving was a week ago
@@Inklenation yt is American 🇺🇸
@@Inklenation
The yanks make up a healthy portion of his viewerbase; I'm thankful to be one of them.
always? how many have you seen? this one is pure shit btw
I really appreciate the work and research Giant Penis puts into these videos.
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I was the 69th like. Gigidy
@@Bossman-pg8kk niceeee
Whatchoo mean? What did he say?
@@stupidhead9117 he changed his Twitter name to giant penis ( parody) and now can't change it
We actually call my grandad “grandad guvnor” because of how much he looks like Lenny, cockney ex boxer too. Only found out his name was Lawrence when i was 12.
U should have called him larry then
Despite his early death, I can't help but feel glad this beast of a man found solace in his family.
Rest in peace.
Dude, your one off lines are glorious "His later career had left him a bit shaken." I'm dying! I just discovered this channel 2 days ago and I can't stop watching. You're gold, mate!
Suggestion: The 442nd Japanese-American battalion deserves a mad lads episode.
Definitely. Great suggestion.
Sounds good to me
dunno who they are but want to see scotch head here pronounce more japanese names
As does my MAD Hamster
Comment to boost the suggestion 👍🏼
Met him when he worked the doors, literally a gian beast in a dapper suit. I had no idea of his status, I thought all bouncers were like this! He was the first bouncer I'd ever seen. The Turkish feller was there too. I hold all bouncers to this standard of visible implied force. Anyway they were nice and polite chaps who recommended a few places around town.
His HIV status?
@@creon3866what?
Imagine Chopper from Australia and Lenny Mclean bumping into eachother in a bar...
Part of me would want to stay and watch, the rest of me would follow the advice of my common sense and run for the bloody hills.
@@BardicGM It's one of two outcomes. Either you'd see World War 3. Or you'd find that rare occasion where two really vicious blokes, aware of eachothers reputation both simply nod toward eachother and go about their day.
Given they both seemed to hate bullies and such... i would hate to see some arse hole get on their bad sides... then again, maybe not given those two, would be one hell of show.
Nothing would happen then they’d spend the rest of their lives bullshitting about it
dont show up to a gun fight with your fists. Chopper didnt fight, he shot people. hehe
Mate, I just subscribed. That was one of the most balanced descriptions I have ever heard. RIP Lenny McLean, a fucking scary man to meet in the flesh. I say this as a fighter (old now) who recognizes greatness, his speed and absolute 100% aggression was tempered; he wasn't just muscle, he had a brain and a heart and a 'flip-switch' that left you fearing his wrath.
A good man of the old school, take it back 400 years and he could have been a Baron or a King?
I don't like to admit I felt frightened (sometimes) but I will admit that Lenny 'gave me the willies' and I was sure I couldn't beat him because I felt the rage in his handshake, it was solid but there was a tremor of 'holding back' (plus he outweighed me by at least 3 stone), I was young and fast and could smash bricks with my hands, Lenny McLean was harder than any bricks I ever seen.
Ironically enough, Pax dude.
I've seen alot of tough guys come through the movie screens.
Lenny McLean was one of the few who I actually believed
Was the real deal
This man's face SCREAMS "COME ON OUT IF YA THINK YOU'RE ARD ENOUGH!"
I just watched 'Lock, Stock...' last night for the first time in ages. I had no idea about Lenny's backstory. He just had that authenticity as the Baptist in that film. Always wondered why I never saw more of him. Now I know. Great Ep! 👍
when you miss the second punch solely because the first one already knocked the bastard out
This honestly made me quite emotional. Just a man dealt a hard hand in life, playing it the best he can.
My brother-in-law showed me Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels as a teenager. Still one of my all time favorite movies. (20+ years later) and it *is* soooo *underrated* .
“If you don’t want to be counting the fingers you don’t have…”
“He’s a fucking thief”
Just 2 of the lines I remember from Lock Stock & 2 Smoking Barrels! 😂
"Fucking southern fairies"
@Contentibus it’s a great film…I’ll always remember me and some friends seeing it at the cinema after not really knowing much about it. Turned out to be a brilliant decision
@@TheTaotheawakenedone "Shotguns? What, like guns that fire shots?" xD
Whats ur thoughts on snatch? And guy ritchies rock n rolla? I love that grungy london crime movies
ARE YOU GONNA FACKIN PAY?!
The story about Lenny forming a friendship with Bradshaw the Gypsy is really one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard.
I've been waiting for a mad lads video on Lenny. Guy was a machine
I could've sworn he already made a Mad Lads video of him. It just makes sense.
bartley gorman would be a good one also
A psycho machine.
As a father to a beautiful soul of a boy I am shocked and saddened whenever I hear of kids living through hellish conditions. People can be absolutely horrible.
33:20
"Lenny's cancer battle ended in a draw"
The Norm Macdonald reference wasn't lost there, impeccable delivery I might add.
I heard Lenny just thought he had the flu when he died from lung cancer.That's a tough guy right there.
You never fail to teach me about meaningful figures i've never heard of
I saw lock Stock and two smoking barrels back in high school and really enjoyed it it’s one of many dvds that nobody else even heard about but me. I’m gonna have to rewatch it soon. Holy shit man Lenny was such an impressive figure in his day. You really don’t have many of those around anymore
Barry the Baptist 🤣🤣
Yeah you do , every day , maybe you live in the country or possibly you don't get out to much.
@@sitluxetluxfuit4481 yeah and its you and your buddies right?. Stfu
Yeah sure, must be why only one copy of it ever sold huh?
Never heard of? It’s a freaking classic!
Every time he says "Lenny" I hear Arthur Morgan drunkenly shouting "Lennaaaay!" in the back of my mind.
?ynnel
LENNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Lenny ,, that ashol,, always cheating at the camp poker game
@@AwakenedAvocado don't speak ill of the dead. He was a good lad. RIP.
Did this one proud Danks. That was a very well presented and fair storytelling experience. Nice one. Really interesting.
He was such a unique character Lenny. But I think I'd rather fight a full grown and hungry tiger, after catching me trying to steal one of her cubs, than get in the ring with the Guv'nor. I've watched unlicensed bare Knuckle fights, and you couldn't pay me enough to take part.
I love the way he doted on his family too, and glad to hear his daughter made peace with their issues after his death. I didn't realize he was so young when he died though. Only three years older than I am now. Cancer scares the shit out of me.
"Harry had a colleague, a monster of a man: Barry the Baptist." Now knowing that Barry was played by a man that might have actually drowned someone for not paying their debts, it just makes "Lock, Stock" an even greater movie.
Ritchie should've put in the credits: "Cultural Consultant - The Guvnor".
I'd love to see a video about your career as a bouncer. I have a mate who worked the doors in West London and he told me some wild shit. I can only imagine Glasgow is a lot more colourful.
Man id love to be a bouncer how do you go about doing that I’m a big guy and a trainer fighter most importantly I dealt table games in a casino for my entire adult life which I imagine is very similar
Dank told some stories about it in a PKA podcast recently, obviously a dedicated video from the man himself would be better but at least some stories are already here for us to know about Dank's past as a doorman (and other topics).
Beyond that, General stories would be interesting as well.
He’s kind of hinted at getting up to a lot of dubious shit as a lad
Please do a Mad Lads on John “Mac” McAleese, SAS guy who stormed the iranian embassy, ex Royal Engineer etc. His interviews are hilarious when they were trying to do the SAS for war crimes.
A Mad lad and a Top lad too. RIP.
I think I have a survival guide by him
That would be very interesting, but I think the only thing that's been declassified about him was the Iranian embassy. Nobody knows how many operations he was involved in.
But yeah, RIP. Those lads are tougher than coffin nails.
@@edwardhannah8507 lots of people will know,it's only the things of dubious legality that they keep quiet about.
Please I’ll pay to see that
Is he the one who left the country due to being accused of child pyrography?
Considering Lenny was viciously bullied and beaten by his step dad I’ve read numerous accounts of him being a bully himself. Approaching men in pubs and demanding they fight him and then beat them severely. Frank Warren promoted one of his fights and has gone on record saying Lenny was a nasty bully.
All respect for someone who tried to do his best for his kids while struggling himself.
His book is a fantastic read. Was hyped to see him appear on mad lads
This was weirdly wholesome for a mad lads episode.
We need a Madlad on Lemmy Kilmister!
Give Motörhead some love!
I guess I'm too old to think of "Lock Stock" as underrated as I remember that when it came out my friends and I watched it scores of times, and being that age, it was constantly quoted. Hell, to me, despite being in tons of roles after, the actors who played Soap and Tom are just Soap and Tom and I think Rory is one of the best characters from any of his films. Snatch was obviously much bigger and watched even more, but I'd argue RocknRolla is Ritchies only properly underrated film.
Reminds me of my grandpa, grew up during communism dirt poor eating marmelade and prunes with bread, all the nastiness. He was the human version of a honey badger crackhead. Told me a story of how he fought a neighbour and punched him around 30 times in the head lmao. All because he insulted my grandma💀💀. He's 82 now and calmed down but at times I can see that flicker in his eyes.
I know it's tacky to make Mad Lad requests in comments, but I'd like to suggest *Arland Dean Williams Jr* ,aka The Sixth Passenger. Saved five fellow survivors of a commercial airline crash, but sacrificed himself in the process.
Just an average man who made the ultimate sacrifice when put on the spot.
EDIT: Maybe he'd be Mini MadLad material.
As an aficionado of airline disasters, 🛩💀 I’d like to know a bit more.
What a waste. I guarantee you those people have squandered his sacrifice.
@@spiritmatter1553 Well, the Wikipedia page for "Arland D Williams Jr" gives more info than I can summarize, but here's my rundown:
In January 1983, a departing airliner carrying 80 people clipped the top of a bridge and crashed into the freezing Patomac River in Washington DC. 74 died on impact, but the scrambled rescue copter identified 6 survivors in the ice and wreckage. It extended its onboard tether down to them.
One man, seemingly more alert than the others, grabbed the rope. But instead of allowing himself to be hoisted, he secured it to another survivor. This process repeated five times, with the man repeatedly taking the tether and attaching it to the others. Finally, when the mystery man was the only one not safely aboard, the wreckage he was clinging to finally sank, taking him with it.
It took more than a year to positively identify who he was, and up until then he was simply called "The Sixth Passenger."
When Arland's body was recovered, it was discovered he had been severely injured in the crash. It's generally accepted that he knew he was dying, which is why he gave the lifeline to the others.
The rebuilt bridge was named after Arland, and the Sarah Hickman song "Last Man In The Water" is about him. So is the docudrama "Flight 90: Disaster on the Potomac."
To this day, Arland Dean Williams Jr is a personal hero of mine. An ordinary man in a horrific scenario that traded his own life for five others. I hope to never be in his position, but if I am, I pray I have the same strength of spirit.
@@casketbase7750 😂😂😂 old man
@@casketbase7750 Thanks for the info. That was a pretty good read.
I'm just happy that I grew up in a time when you could still call a guy out and settle it in the yard. People are too quick to anger these days and even quicker at acting irrationally. I don't get angry that easily anymore, and it's been years since I had to show hands, but I would still take it outside if I needed to and there were no weapons. Other than knowing it's going to hurt the next day, a good squabble was great stress relief and that euphoric feeling at the start is unmatched. 👍🙂👊👊👊
I don’t know how old his children were when he passed, but I know it couldn’t have been easy losing him at such a young age. I lost my father when I was 25 and he was 54, and my mother when I was 30 and she was 51. Both gone far too soon. Even though I had an excellent relationship with both of them, it was still devastating and to this day I still have my bad days when I just break down because I miss them so much. And more than that, I hurt for all the events in my life that they haven’t been, and won’t be there to witness and go through them with me. I miss them every day. I’m glad that Kelly was able to make peace with the past. I have to make peace with my future. I hope his family are doing well, and I wish them all the best.
I'm glad to hear that Lenny worked to break the cycle of abuse, and succeeded. If I could, I'd share a beer with him over hard times in childhood.
He stopped drinking after the incident with his friend where he bit a chunk out his throat. Alcohol would make the monster come out, he would instead often be spotted with a cup of tea from then on
Mad Lads suggestion:
Alexander "Superkiller" Solonik
He was a Russian hitman who assassinated 30 mob bosses, after retiring from contract killing he formed his own mob. He was a mob boss for 2 years when he was supposedly assassinated, but many believe he faked his death.
"I will make my own mob, with blackjack and hookers!"
@ReallyBurntToast
It really is. If someone ever makes a movie or show about him they would already have the perfect title.
I was fascinated by the guv'nor in Lock Stock and couldn't find anything when I tried to Google him all those years ago. Very glad you made this video, it was a great watch
I think the sad thing about Lenny McClean's story is that he's not the only person to have this kind of an abusive, violent past.
So the sad part of his story is that he was born a human?
It's a reoccurring theme for us MacLeans apparently.
@@nothanks9503 No, sad that he and a lot of men and women were born into houses full of violence and abuse. I thought I made that clear. That's just not normal.
@@nothanks9503 Yep, it is widely known, that every father figure is abusive. Where do you get this garbage? How many kids do you know, that get beaten so bad the break their legs arms ribs etc? Let me guess, you live in a place with lots of single mothers? Since this kind of behavior is about 8-10 times more likely by a step parent.
@@raifthemad My father never abused me.
He had some really fast 👐 and not just for a big man but for any man. Not to mention his obvious power and lastly and most importantly his attitude and will to use his whole body as a weapon. Headbutt, biting, eye gouging, anything. Attitude, toughness, and will to do what the other guys won't is paramount! I'm no Lenny but I've been in the mix and had many bare knuckle fights
My great uncle John fought under ground and was a huge man. I remember him and he was punch drunk from street fights. Bare fist fighting is so Uncivilized. GOD bless Lenny.
Ali’s later career had left him a bit shaken 😂😂😂 I laughed so hard I woke my wife
How'd that go lmao
It's like dank knows precisely when to drop a video to make our days a little bit better
What?
ikr
generic ass praise
@@TrianglePants ikr but it got 60 likes and my heartfelt comments get swept right to the bottom
I realy do appreciate your hard work and research you put into these, the last few weeks i have been watching a few things on the Governor and BOOOM you do this one. Put a completely different light on him :)
Hardest man in Britain is the Wealdstone Raider. Change my mind
My grandfather also named Tony Oliver was another feared doorman. He was great friends with Lenny as well as Alan Crossley who was Britains strongest man during the mid 80's.
Been waiting for The Guvnor to finally be recognised as a Mad Lad
How about a Mad Lads video on Hiroo Onada? The lad who kept fighting WWII 30 years after it ended?
Oh yeah i saw him in Archer lol
If you're interested in doing more sports related Mad Lads, you should consider researching Keiichi Tsuchiya.
He's an old Japanese race car driver who got his start racing down mountain streets at night eventually becoming an elite among elites. In his professional races, the margin between him and second place was often so significant, he would flex his car control skills oversteering the vehicle and driving while sideways through the corners, IN CARS FROM THE 1980's!
Thats not mentioning that his nontraditional use of drifting in his races sparked popularity for drifting as a whole.
Real life Initial D racing.
@@justabunny999 He's quite literally the person who inspired the creation of Initial D. The story is supposedly loosely based around his early years as a street racer.
From what I understand he also helped with some logistical work on Initial D and Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift as well. A lot of the drifting you see in Tokyo Drift is actually Keiichi, they even had to tell him to DRIVE WORSE so the main character gradually learning to drift would be more believable.
Sounds dope I know some hooligans who drive fast around here and they always liked the yakuza race crew ideal of if you crash or fuck up in any way you’re out of the crew because it brings heat from the cops these hoodlums are so precise and get into trouble so infrequently that the cops basically gave them the roads around the prison to race on a big part of which is called race road
+1 Keiichi Tsuchiya is a true absolute madlad that is still with us to this day. His real life story and accomplishments are absolutely insane, especially when you see his skills in action. It's just absurd.
They say his time at usui pass is still unbeaten.
When you get a bit mouthy in the club and you get the option of walking out or a good kicking in the " Quiet room "
Barry the Baptist was my favorite character in Lock, Stock!
Thank you, for telling his story.
It all makes sense now.
“If you don’t want to be counting the fingers you haven’t got, then you better get the money, QUICK!”
It was the guns (the ones from the safe), he wanted, not money.
@@Paddy.C He quoted Barry correctly. The story's quite complicated. He wanted the guns and the money.
@@poppedweasel
No, you're mistaken. I suggest you watch the scene again.
He's talking to the 2 Scousers who robbed the guns from the stately home.
They sold the valuable shotguns to Nick the Greek, and Barry suggests they get them back.
Money isn't mentioned.
@@Paddy.C I think you'll find that this the OPs quote is Barry talking to Eddy (Stings son in the film) about the money he lost, and therefore, the debt he owed as a result of playing cards
This should be fantastic, there's some incredible clips of Lenny out there lmao RIP Also a Mad Lads suggestion - Jimmy Wang Yu - fascinating story.
Cheers Count Dankula! Your madlad videos are legendary.
A true Mad Lad, in the best ways. I hate that he went through everything he did, but I'm glad to have heard his story. Good vid, Count.
What an uplifting and nice story. Can't believe I hadn't heard of him before. Thanks Dank
He wrote a book about his life story.
Very good read.
@@RhysapGrug Appreciate it, I'll check it out
There is something about Great British brawlers. There is something about the juxtaposition of the British Empire with its aristocracy, and a god-damn bar brawler.
"Would you like a cup of tea with your beating, sir?"
The aristocracy is a tiny minority of inbred billionaires
Dudley from street fighter comes to mind.
"No matter how tough you are, you can't be the top dog forever"
Fact. Sooner or later, there's going to be someone tougher than you.
Quite often just younger, stronger and faster.
Martial arts are something you age out of competitively.
A 50 year old man can't keep up with a 25 year old in prime fighting shape.
Simply a fact of life.
There is always someone more intelligent, someone better looking, someone wealthier, someone bigger and someone stronger.
Nobody has ever or will ever beat time, shame ⌚✌️
"There's always a bigger fish."
Whenever you start to think your invincible that's when you bump into someone younger, faster and meaner than you! Its the universal order of things
Ohhhh this is going to be good, I heard about this guy back in the day when he unfortunately passed after Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
Thanks!
33:18
Nice subtle nod to the Norm Macdonald joke about “losing” a battle with cancer.
Met him back in the early 90s.. scariest man I ever met but very friendly and full of stories.
Met him a few times when i used to go to the Pallie back in the day. "You look a bit pissed; you going to behave?" "Well i have work tomorrow and my Mum is going to bollack me if I if i don't". "Alright, behave yourself". - good times. :-)
Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels is part of my top 10 list and has been for nearly 20 years. I loved Lenny's character.
He was amazing in Lock Stock, such a shame, he was finally given a chance to do something that seemed to help him and it was taken away from him.
He was only 49? He looked like he was in his late 60s. Bless him, hope he has peace now
The guy looked at 60 years old and was not even 50 when he died. Hard life that's for sure.
He headbutted me. I put him in a coma. We’re great friends.
I read his book "the Guvnor" a few years back and it was great! The guy lived an interesting life to put it mildly. If it was like these days no doubt he would of been put into care and his step dad thrown in jail (rightly so). Thanks for the upload!
He was great in Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
"Fuckin Northern monkeys"
“ l hate these fuckin southern fairies”
Lenny's quick for a big guy, those two swings he did at that guy he was talking to man that was some fast hand speed.
His role in Lock,Stock & Two barrels is iconic!
I like watching Dank's videos with the closed captioning turned on.
And I would like to test my metal on the fisticuff socket myself.
You are a great storyteller Dank. I appreciate your content. Keep up the good job!
I worked the bar at Camden Palace back in the mid 80's when Lenny was the head of security. His fist was four times the size of mine! I only knew him after he stopped drinking so my knowledge is limited, but he was a gentleman, albeit a scary one. They do not make them like him anymore.
When I see you upload, your cheeky grin puts a smile on my face, My late boyfriend loved bloke to be a bloke especially if 2 days beard growth looks like yours(and what his looked like) he was always proud of his beard, We loved watching your videos together, Something we had in common.
We both loved to learn something new. Together was nice.
Thankyou for making good memories.
R I P Luke, miss you boo.
I think this is the best Mad Lads video so far. Really enjoyed it, so thank you! RIP Lenny!
Just like to say thanks for telling Mr McLean 's story with such respect and humour.
Bloody good job Mr Dankula.👍
Love the mad lad vids,keep it up👍
At my age, I think I'll "hide behind a pistol."
First read "The Guv'nor" about 13 years ago, while stationed at Aberdeen Proving Grounds. Loved it. Great book. Recommended.
he did all that in 49 years.
and i went to portugal once
Ad mortem sic vita fluit, velut ad mare flumen. Vivere nam res est dulcis, amara mori. Restituunt furtum fures, vi rapta, latrones. Omnia mors aufert, restituitque nihil. Latus ad occasum, unquam rediturus ad ortum. Vivo hodie, moriar cras, here natus eram.
Amen.
I hate Satan!
I hate the antichrist!
Lock stock and 2 smoking barrels always comes to mind
Growing up surrounded by the ageing remnants of London's last crop of old school hard men, this psychological state was more common place than people probably think. Growing up, I was surrounded by tough, psychologically damaged men who flew to violence far too quickly.
I didn't know Lenny, but this video brings up a lot of emotions. Most of these guys were never truly happy. They loved to fight, but other than that, there was always a tension in the air that would never quite clear. Looking back now in 2022 at these monsters of men as people who heeded help is something that would have been impossible to approach with them at the time. It does make you wonder what life would have been like for them if they received the help some of them clearly needed.
I've got a signed fight poster from Lenny McLean for when he fought Roy Shaw. A friend gave it me years ago, I know nothing of the guy so this will give some interesting information I'm sure.
I think he was in lock stock n 2 smoking barrels, or one those classic films. He played a body guard to some scummy loan shark lol
If you can get the autographs on that authenticated that'll be worth good money to a collector. That's a rare piece of English social history you have there.
@@jamiewulfyr4607 I was mistaken..it's signed by Roy not Lenny! But yeah I guess it could be worth something to the right person, I'll have to look at getting it authenticated next time I go to England.
He was called "Ten men Len" because it would take ten men to put him away? Lenny was pretty nails, but he got left asleep by Cliff Field twice, once getting knocked out with a jab. Johnny Waldron put him away cold -twice I think, middleweight kevin Paddock and George "Pappy" Langley ko'd him. Of course none of those names are mentioned in Lennys book.
As for Roy Shaw having only two losses, with both being to Lenny... nah, Shaw had various losses. He got absolutely ripped twice by Paul Sykes for a start.