The Reason Your Bass Drum / Kick Doubles are Trash - Drum Lesson
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2019
- Getting two fast, powerful, precise strokes on the kick might feel like a real strain, but that's just because you're trying too hard. The less you try, the easier it is to use this technique. Praise be the slide!
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Bold of you to assume I can do doubles
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Thank you! I’m totally onboard with this technique. I’m a beginner drummer, and fast double kicks used to kill me. A month ago, I switched from one teacher to another, the new guy watched me playing on the very first lesson, and the first thing he told me to try is this exact technique. I came back home, practiced it for an hour, and from that moment on I’ve been kicking those fast doubles like a boss! Very easy! And loud too!
Thanks for watching!
How do you get at fast speed with chopping
@@chaddavis5787 practice the chops from slow tempos to fast. That's the only way I know of, I doubt there is a shortcut.
@@joeforbes2885yep. to add to this, never ever underestimate super slow practice, put some good time into playing things slow af. And don't rush upping your bpm, make sure you are playing comfortably and cleanly before you go to the next bpm
I didn't think I'd EVER get the slide technique, then one day I noticed I was doing exactly that: trying too hard. I needed to utilize the spring motion of the pedal coming up from that initial 'push', to make the second stroke effortless. There's a definite feel to it. Once it clicks, it's like "Oh THAT'S what they're on about!" 😁
The visual is a godsend
this is actually an incredible video. all the others ones i was having marginal luck with but i practiced this for like 5 minutes and now feeling SUPER EXCITED. thank you
I watched so many slide technique videos. Yours was so so easy to understand. Thank you so much!
Absolutely INCREDIBLE video! This clears up sooo much heartache and doubles as amazing practice
So useful. Every time I have seen someone do this it's been on long board pedals with size 10 billion feet, so you clarifying it's not the pedal or foot size helps me know it's got to be the mechanics of the movement and to keep trying.
Finally someone teaching this on a normal pedal!
I’m sick of people easily moving 300+bpm on a $1000+ Trick and or magnetic trick pedal and telling new drummers that this is possible for them if only they use their techniques and method!
A first year drummer dies not understand trick pedals yet and are much less likely to ever attain those kicks! Thise are half stroke,half rebound full force ballistic pedals you’re seeing in other videos!
This vid is more real world and much more valuable! Thanks Crisis
U a real one I been hammering them out for years
Just gotta stay loose. Thanks for watching!
Yes mate! I've been trying for ages and youre totally right, i was trying too hard. Thankyou, this improved my double kicks in about 2 mins
Thanks man, this cleared everything up for me. My doubles sound great now!!
Oh wow!! Will have to practice this...now this makes sense to me.
thanks for the tips. I love the sound of your snare and kick
Excellent lesson! Thank you Josh
I appreciate this. A lot. I’ve never seen this broken down so well and made quite so approachable. I play heel down, so I’m always a little unsure of the bass double techniques that assume you’re playing heel up. But this seems like something I can easily transition to from a heel down position. Quick doubles is something I just haven’t developed well, and I’m ashamed to say I’ve avoided them a bit. I’m off to practice! Thanks man 🙏
Helped a lot thanks. I feel somewhat confident with my doubles now!
I’ve noticed that you have personally answered some people’s questions in the comments,,,that so cool of you man!👍👍😎
Former lifelong try to hard person here. Slowing down, relaxing, and firming up your technique is the way. Great video and love the exercise near the end. Definitely stealing that for my practice.
Yeah, forcing yourself to stay loose is much easier said than done. Thanks for watching!
Great lesson. Enjoyed it. 🥁
Good job on explaining this technique. Also showing straight and swung 16th. Kudos!
Thanks for watching!
Prefect explanation dude, thanks a ton!!!
Fantastic demo of this technique and a nice practice exercise. Hopefully I'll get this down.
Great vid bro. Just bought a cheap drumset for more sounds for my arsenal and this was helpful. Finally I’m just getting the double kick but haven’t saw any of these variations.
Excellent video!!
Excellent video. I’ve been playing for a long time as a weekend warrior drummer and the kick drum is always the most difficult. You’ve helped me tremendously with getting different kick drum sounds and beats and of course speed kills
I'm glad you find this stuff helpful. Thanks for watching!
This is the best video I've seen yet showing and explaining this.
Thanks this video was super helpful and really easy to understand 👍
I honestly can’t thank you enough. Earlier today I wasn’t able to play any doubles without tending up and getting off beat, but now getting them out is a breeze.
Very useful! As a beginner, it's hard to figure out what technique works best for me because they all feel unnatural, especially heel-toe. What you say is true, my fastest doubles are the ones where I'm not even trying and my leg just does a spasm x)
I'm working my way into a solid intermediate player and this is very timely. I will share it with my Learning Drummers group and get started on this this week. I'm working on some Bonham stuff and getting ready for a show in December. These kinds of bass beats are necessary for that. Thank you for this.
Thanks for watching and happy practicing!
This video has me figuring it out in 20 minutes. Thank you!!
Thanks! Pretty cool techniques.
Great way of teaching this thank you.
Woah, never thought to use HKKH or KHHK patterns before. That's actually really useful, thanks for sharing!!
You got it. Thanks for watching!
Awesome tips! Thanks man 👍
I'm glad you dig. Thanks for watching!
I would say the biggest thing that hindered me for years was trying to hard to go fast too soon .....the best thing is to start slow and stay there for like a month getting everything down till it becomes muscle memory then slightly increase the speed every two weeks
Good Job!!👏🏼🥁
Great video…. Perfect teaching!!
Helpful. Thanks!
Cool lesson. I'll try it. RIGHT NOW!!!
Great lesson!👍
I like your videos, they actually helped me.. other people here are like here is how to do it but it somehow doesnt work like probably the mistake is on my side but when you explain it it somehow works for me thank you very much for these videos
Thanks man! This is really helpful for me and as someone who only uses heel-toe technique on a long board pedal for doubles
Thanks for watching! I'm glad you find this stuff helpful.
Are there downsides to heel toe?
@@Sasfraz Nah. Heel-toe works better for lots of drummers, but this works better for me. Different strokes for different folks!
Josh Merhar oh okay thanks I just wasn’t sure if I should get outa the habit or not
Thanks this helps a ton!
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen on this topic
Wow, beatiful intro! Very cool groove
Holy crap this is a tremendous help. Ive been trying so hard to hit that double without matchin it with high hat.
Great lesson
I love the Pearl SSC. I own one in Sequioa Red.
This helped me an insane amount
Maaan! Thank you! My foot is so heavy and slow. This was perfect.
I'm glad you find this stuff useful. Thanks for watching!
I think you've shown this the best I've seen it. I didn't understand it until now. Now if I can just play it...
Nuff respect brother!
This technique is my signature groove that all musicians turn their heads trying to find my other kick pedal when it's only just one pedal i have
Samuel Ziegler dude, once you can do triple kicks you feel soo much cooler, cause people typically think I’m using a second pedal or kick
Mia Khalifa
sick haha!
@@thewigon I know what you mean bro
I wish I’d have discovered this a long time ago. Oh well. Now I wanna buy a kit just to do this
GENIUS!!! Thanks!!!
Nice touch showing the smaller pedal and debunking the rumors!
Exactly what i was searching for.
Great channel
bro thank you.. I am learning from this video.. i got progress... Thanks thanks....
bro thank you sooo much the second i tried this i knew this was the one
American One Productions Rehearsal and Drum Studio in NJ gives this video two huge thumbs up 👍🏻👍🏻. Thanks for sharing 🥁
Thanks for watching!
Thank you 😊
My kick doubles were definitely trash. Your explanation really made this technique (that I've already tried before) stick. Thanks 🙏
Thank you, I needed this I guess
awesome. carry on!!!
Thanks brod.
I've been trying to increase my kick speed and I can do it pretty fast just normally, but when I'm in an actual song and I'm trying to play a little louder I find that I'm too heavy footed and I can't get the rebound that I need. This technique worked really well for me and I can actually play consistently now. Thanks so much for the vid!
Hey Josh. Thank you so much for the vid! It is great that you show the technique so clear in a nice long video shot. I use this technique since a while and there is one prob that I have from time to time with it: when I lift my foot from the pedal before the first of both strokes, then my beater makes a small move towards the head and sometimes touches it. This cannot be heard in the practice room but on the recording you hear it.
Do you have any ideas how to avoid this? (it seems that my foot slightly pushes of the pedal to get up high which causes the problem)
THX!!
thank you!
Great video, question: I use the Speed Cobra as well, however I broke the factory spring twice already. I tried a heavy duty spring but my forward stroke gets restricted even at its loosest tension. Are u still using the factory spring and if not, do you recommend a certain spring? Thanks in advance for your reply
Thanks for watching! Yeah, I'm still using the factory spring. Haven't had an issue with it yet, but only had the pedal for about a year and a half so far. The only thing I swapped out is the beater (using a felt Vic Kick).
Now this is a kick ass video
Thanks Josh, you're one heck of a player. Do you sometimes switch foot techniques, or keep it pretty consistent? I find on any given day I might play the same song with a different technique. Sometimes I feel OK with heel down on a song. If my foot gets tired, I might start switching to the slide. Sometimes I can feel alright with Samba doubles heel down, other times its tiring..I play with slide. I don't know why that I feel like switching sometimes. With all of your training, would you say this kind of normal?
i find this technique very useful as a beginner, however over time i found myself needing to learn a different technique to increase endurance, precission and specially the shuffle ba-bang sou d that is so important for the feel
Much appreciated Lesson,Josh. What shoes do you wear? I find that the type of shoes have a bearing on "sliding" the foot in this manner? What level do you keep your Throne Height? and angle to the bass pedal? Stephen Clark on YT also describes this movement,with some Super Slo-Mo, but you are showing the progressive speeds applied. I like it. If I can the knack of this, I will be able to return the Double Bass pedals I just purchased. One is a Mapex DB pedal (main and Slave), the other is a Cannon Twin effect (similar to a Dualist II,) with a Heel and toe pad on the same pedal. That takes a lot to get used to. At 69 YO, and having returned to playing drums after a 51 YEar Hiatus, now in retirement, to play for enjoyment at Home, I find it difficult to master this quickness with my right leg... But I guess, Practice makes Perfect.... I'm not playing Gigs nor do I think I will be in the near future (unless someone starts up a Geriatric Band here locally by me ), but play to MY Music: CCR, Clapton, Petty, Stones, Beatles, Springsteen, Mellencamp, Steve Winwood, Eagles, Hollies, Kinks, Cars, and more....
Thanks again. Would you apply the slide technique to the "Immigrant Song" by Led Zeppelin? I was thinking that's such an endurance workout, wondering if slide would reduce fatigue.
This is awesome
Thank you
Thanks Alot
Very cool!
Ty sir
Okay, this was actually the technique I was looking for and you demonstrated and explained eloquently and concisely, so thank you for that!. The one concern I have (I play a 24'' kick and I like the resonance) is that, as your double's sped up, you tended to "bury the beater" in the head, so the second (arguably more powerful) stroke gets muted. I currently work on an electronic kit (Harts Dynamics w/mesh heads so that I don't piss off the neighbors or our cats [too much]) and trying to bury the beater always results in the double-tap on the last stroke. What would you recommend for controlling the rebound tap from the final stroke of a double. I've got the kick mesh head on the e-drum as loose as it can be and still offer some rebound. Maybe it's a pedal spring adjustment? I know there are a lot of factors in dialing in the proper control (throne height/position, pedal spring tension, beater angle, etc.), but I feel like your insights are spot-on and you can help me with my ergo's to get back to a comfortable/natural play feel.
Thanks a ton for all that you provide! You make us all better "monkeys" (as guitarists like to refer to us)!
I play on a regular kit and have the same issue. I play doubles best when burying the beater but it always results in extra hits. I've tried loosening the head and using different beaters but the same always happens. Have you found any solutions?
Nice job. What would you suggest for keeping the dynamics more even though?
Since the first stroke is essentially just a tap which is followed by a full-foot “slam” (of sorts) along the pedal board.
J BL Thanks for watching! The more comfortable you get with this technique, you can even out the dynamics by compressing the slide into a smaller motion, giving a bit more punch to the first stroke. You can dig in with your toe a bit on that initial snap back to get more emphasis on that first stroke, too.
Josh Merhar So practice. Lol. Got it. It’s certainly worth trying out.
Thanks for the vid.
03:55 sounds like "Purple Stain" by RHCP
Excellent man!!! How long did it take you to nail this technique?
Thank you! I can't say for sure how long it took me to learn this technique and use it consciously. I accidentally came across the motion when I was like, 13 or 14, but only knew how to use it as quick little burst of triplets (like John Bonham).
Is that a Vater hard felt beater on your Speed Cobra Pedal?
Derrick Blakely Nope, it’s a Vic Kick beater. It’s pretty hard, but I like the weight to it. Feels really nice on this pedal.
Josh Merhar, it sure looks like it. I'll probably order one for my pedal.
Been playing for ever..can't do this..
I will try this and see if it works for me. Hope to report back with positive results
Excellent video, thanks. What do you consider is the best tension spring if I’m a beginner and I want to develop this technique. Also what do you consider best for an entry level pedal: Iron cobra 200, DW 2000 or Pearl P930. I appreciate your opinion
You otta try a mid 70's Slingerland Yellow Jacket. Double spring. Swings a solid wood beater with ease.
Where did you get the spring under the kick pedal??? I can't find one anywhere
It comes installed on Tama Speed Cobras.
and you can buy it as well. cobra coil I believe it is calles
Great video! I've been struggling for the past years to get comfortable with my doubles, definitely gonna try your approach. I notice you play out of the drum head, bringing your foot to a rest between the strokes. Would you say playing into the drum head (which I do) in any way affects the technique?
Thanks for watching! I don't think burying the beater (playing into the head) affects the technique too much, but it will definitely affect the sound, especially on bass drums with a higher, more resonant tuning. Burying the beater might cause you to remain a bit more tense between strokes, though.
Ok, thanks!
What cymbals are you using here? Anyway I always feel pain on my knees after playing drums. Maybe it's my 24" bass drum. The rebound is hardest to obtain on It than on a 22" kick.
The hihats are 2 18" crashes with many huge cracks going through them (Meinl Dark crash on top, Zildjian A Custom EFX on bottom), 18" Meinl Dual crash on the left, 22" Meinl Sand Ride, 20" Paiste Masters Extra Thin crash on the right, and an extremely cracked first gen 10" Sabian Maxx Staxx.
The whole lateral notion he explained makes sense cant wait to focus on this
Great technique.!
Is the spring tension factory set or have you tweaked it.?
Woooow it works well!!!
Thank you for this video! Can I ask. Will there be a tap sound on the pedal board? Tap sound when you strike both notes.
Very helpful.. New subscriber here..
I tried but I play heel up so it was quite a weird angle for my foot, if possible could you recommend or make a video about heel up techniques?
This is great vs some of the others wherein you tap with the toe then drop the foot which I can’t perform as it becomes way too mechanical; question is about spring tension, is it better to use this with a more loose setting?
i feel like my foot gets stuck whilst sliding? what can i do to prevent this/ make the slide fluent
Try being even lighter on your foot - it's crazy how light of a touch is needed! The motion is much more back/forward instead of up/down. If your foot gets stuck, it's likely because you're still putting too much pressure on the pedal.