@@zafelrede4884 Sovereign was actually put to oversee the keepers, so they would activate citadel's relay for reaper armada to arrive, but prothean scientists from ilos were able to severe keepers connection to the reaper, so sovereign had to take matters in his own hands basically.
What they did in game 2 was an unexpected twist, but it could have been worked as a unique experiment of the Reapers. EA decided, 'Nah. Illusive Man is the villain in game 3. Oh yeah, we need to throw Sovereign in last minute.'
Look i would of loved a giant red reaper shut off button but thats not what we got so which ending did you choose and no they are not just color swaps the visuals are but the rest are not
@Jimmy De'Souza Exactly, the whole point of the reapers in one is their vast ancient inorganic consciousness you don't even know that Saren's ship is a reaper until nearly the end. They should have remained mysterious alien and utterly destructive.
Everything about Sovereign put me on edge. Every bit of it's presence and mere existence made me afraid. and the theme! It absolutely sells me on this character. This isn't a person. This isn't even a monster. It's a force of nature, as unrelenting and unstoppable as gravity. And it is completely... incontestably... evil.
@@TheLordexilius There's nothing "almost" Lovecraftian about it. Reapers indoctrinate people simply by exposure. Scientists investigating the hull of a dead one had their minds warped and their memories mixed up. Because, as one of them said... _Even a dead god can dream._ And that horn they keep blaring in 3? It's more than just a scary sound. In-story it's literally designed to forcibly trigger a fear response in the minds of organics that hear it.
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension, I am Sovereign.
LOVE this song. Its so sinister. It had the feeling of "Uh oh we're all doomed if we don't take this evil, terrifying machine out" when it played. Sovereign is my favorite antagonist.
Dark but wonderful. Intimidating but emotional. Great piece of music! I am listening to this and I can already hear Nazaras Voice inside my head... "We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."
"My kind transcends your very understanding. We are each a nation. Independent. Free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence."
Sometimes I listen to this, look up at the sky and I honestly get scared. I become afraid at the possibility that something like sovereign is out there. In the vast darkness of space. Waiting. And the most terrifying thing is. ......it's actually possible
Sovereign does not answer your questions, it merely reminds you that you are nothing on the galactic scale. Actually one of the best crafted villains IMO, BioWare fucked up bad by leaving this kind of writing behind
This theme is just f*cking perfect. It really get across the idea of the reapers being an unstoppable, unknowable, ancient entities, that in a way inspire a sense of awe, as well as cosmic horror. Love the chorus in the theme as well.
How creepy would it have been to go though a portal on the Citadel something in 2 or 3 and wind up in a realm of darkness. Where Sovereigns disembodied voice speaks. "Foolish creature. You destroy our vassals, vanquish our armies, and time and again your arrogance leads you to mistake these mere delays, for victories. The true essence of our being still untouched, save for the brief moments we permit. The essence the first harvest at their height could not comprehend, that they foolishly thought was their own. We reached past the frontiers of our realm, took their form as ours only to understand the chaos of yours, and quell it. A mission as eternal as our being. Know this Shepard, know the depths your futility. As it was, as it is, as it will be. We shall return... we shall always return."
The shields were not that good either, they couldn't withstand the Citadel fleet. That's why Sovereign needed the Conduit - to close the arms and prevent the Citadel fleet from reaching it. And no, the geth were not enough help either (again, wouldn't have needed the Conduit if they were). So basically the strategy was as good as anything, it was just not fast enough.
He is not a child, He took the form of one. If he wanted to, he could have appeared before Shepard in the form of a Turian, or a Vorcha, or a Leviathan... He is the collective embodiment of all Reapers; he is Sovereign's mind, just as he is the destroyer on Rannoch's. He is them, they are him.
ME1 reaction to reapers : OH MY LORD! HE IS A REAPER ALL THE TIME! I NEED TO DESTRO IT! ME2 reaction to reapers : OH MY LORD! THE COLLECTORS ARE BUILDING A HUMAN REAPER! I NEED TO DESTROY IT! ME3 reaction : OH MY... Well... There here... Again... Well... Let the Trashmaw kill one and the Flotille + Normandy another one... Oh... And let's shoot at one with thousands of rockets... They are just reapers... Not my problem :)
Sovereign was the epitome of a Lovecraftian space-horror. Reapers, the concept of cyclical extinction and further delving into their origins in ME2 painted them as the pinnacle of evil. Their capabilities, architecture and technology left you in awe as you pondered the implications. I remember spending minutes examining bodies of the different husk creatures, asking myself: "What? How? Why?". Brilliant. And now? They're pawns of some star child? "There was an chaos so I did an Reaper lol"...
You're oversimplifying it. What if the Leviathans were trying to find a solution to the Dark Energy phenomenon I call the Dholen problem, but those damn organics fighting synthetics got in their way? That would explain the survivors on Despoina. Since Harbinger is the collective consciousness of all the Leviathans having actualized into a single personality like Legion before his death, he'd probably know where the survivors are, but since he's a stopgap to allow the Leviathans to figure out the Dark Energy phenomenon, he's not gonna kill them *all*. Now that Shepard has shown the Intelligence that synthetics and organics can get along, the new solution is to have organics and synthetics achieve synthesis so we can get back to work on that... well... that Starkiller.
Or EA was scuttling them along and forcing them to put out content faster than they were ready because they cared about money, not about content. Happens a lot. You'll be intimately familiar with this if you're a Knights of the Old Republic (the original Xbox games) fan.
I knew exactly what the Reapers were and how the trilogy ended when I started playing these games for the first time. I still shit myself when Sovereign told me he was coming to fuck my shit up.
Hello no, guys you aren't paying attention. If the subject of the dreams was someone Shepard had been personally close to, then the appearance of Harbinger as Catalyst would not work, it would not trigger thoughts about the future (destroy, control, synthesize), it would only trigger thoughts about the past and those thoughts would be "AVENGE ASHLEY/KAIDEN/"INSERT DEAD SQUAD MEMBER". But the point of Catalyst is, Shepard giving himself/herself into Reaper logic instead of "on our terms"
"Synthetics and organics don't have to destroy each other!" "The Battle of Rannoch disproves your assertion. Finish your war, We will be waiting." "War's over. Both the quarians and geth are coming for your ass Star Child!"
The kid was just a form that Shepherd would find familiar. Could have been anything. Would you have been happier if it manifested its self as a space hamster?
In the entire mass effect series you felt like your in a helpless struggle against gods unstoppable mechines beyond the point of death itself, Hopefully ME Andromeda can replicate this feeling
Quarians inside their suits? Artistic designers were lazy. The Catalist is a plot device? Let's use the boy Shepard's been dreaming about through the whole game. Surely no one will expect to see him again. Art? Yeah, right. A good story does not require a degree in philosophy to make sense.
The Reapers can communicate with indoctrinated minds, and no one else. If the Reapers can read Shepard's mind, then he is indoctrinated. And then, the indoctrination theory makes much more sense than Starchild and his space magic.
I agree. Had Ashley Williams/Kaidan Alenko been the subject of the dreams (the one who died as a direct result of Shepard's choice) and not the foolish kid who REJECTED Shepard, I'd have bought into them. As is, I just play Yakety Sax when I get sucked into the damned ME3 dreams and close my eyes.
And the quarians inside their suits does make sense, actually XD The geth had to change everything else to something Shepard could percieve, why not the quarians?
Yeah, yeah...Many words that can be summed up with only two : Space Magic. Anyway. That's assuming the Reapers suddenly acquired the ability to read people's minds.
I think of the kid as an incarnation viewed through Shepard's mind: in a way, that kid has been driving him the whole of ME3. The mindless destruction of innocence plagues him. Even if it's not canon, I think that the Conduit itself is not able to be accurately interpreted by human perception, and thus Shepard perceived it as something relevant to him - like in the geth servers where the quarians still wear suits. View the ending less literally and I find it quite enjoyable as art.
@spoonmonkey14 Yeah. Because since this is the first ME game, BioWare probably wanted to put on first impressions that the Reapers were infinite, scary, and the main threat out of all the bad guys in the galaxy put together. Either that or they specifically made Sovereign to be scarier than Harbinger for another reason.
I want Bioware to remake this game so bad, just imagine how epic this game would be with a new graphics engine and better gameplay.Or better yet restart the series, retell the stories of ME 1-3 and give us a better ending this time.
Now here's a good argument. If their aim was to use the emotional cheap shot or posing as someone who's death was Shepard's fault, using the squaddie who died in Virmire would work. Heck, go for full effect and have every dead squaddie show up, like an even bigger kick for thoe who let too many people die.
While I still think Harbinger is the main enemy of ME (fuck Starchild) and still scary in his own right, Sovereign was more mysterious and showed a genuine dislike for organics, whereas Harbinger was seemingly indifferent (if not intrigued by organics), though still on a mission to wipe us out. It is that mystery and malevolence that make Sovereign scarier. You aren't sure what it'll do. Nevertheless, I was bitterly disappointed with the lack of direct control in ME3.
Shepard is more familiar with his space hamster than he was with a damn kid he never saw before. So, yeah, that would make more sense. According to your logic that is.
The Intelligence is not going for familiarity. He's going for the "Innocent people you don't even know are going to die and the only way to stop it is to do what I say," vibe. Indoctrinated by the Reapers to save the galaxy from their assault and find a solution that would allow us to get back to work on Dark Energy is what I got out of the whole thing.
Pretty much. Heck, they did more to fix it than other games have done to fix their own lame endings. I've played my share of games that end of glaring cliffhangers. Bioware added new lore setpieces, a DLC for more squad interactions AND an epilogue. And yet people still whine. So I agree with you, people need to get over themselves. Because honestly,the whiners and complainers are so obnoxious that by this stage not even a remake of the game would please them.
Did you play the game at all? If so did you see the dream sequences or the bit just before Shepard left earth? It communicated through a form that was familiar and held meaning to Him/Her.
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Strange how Sovereign manages to out-badass the entire Reaper armada.
That's what happens when you retcon things.
Law of conservation of ninjutsu.
Certainly the best. It was left behind as a vanguard for a reason..
"Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over."
He died just like vanguard. Went too far away from the team. Then overran by others
Exact words i said to my ex
Should’ve quoted that when speaking to Harbinger at the end of ME2 Arrival
@@tcmugutc01 Pretty sure the plan was to help the others get there much quicker, which would've spelled doom for everyone. He just narrowly failed.
@@zafelrede4884 Sovereign was actually put to oversee the keepers, so they would activate citadel's relay for reaper armada to arrive, but prothean scientists from ilos were able to severe keepers connection to the reaper, so sovereign had to take matters in his own hands basically.
"Rudimentary creatures of blood, and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance."
...incapable of understanding."
"You are not Saren"
"You are not Harbinger..."
Best come back of the last 50,000 years!
Honestly sovereign was by far the best villain, he was actually intimidating and was exactly what the reapers were supposed to be.
What they did in game 2 was an unexpected twist, but it could have been worked as a unique experiment of the Reapers. EA decided, 'Nah. Illusive Man is the villain in game 3. Oh yeah, we need to throw Sovereign in last minute.'
It wasn't about reproduction
It was about saving organic life
Which ending do you choose?
Look i would of loved a giant red reaper shut off button but thats not what we got so which ending did you choose and no they are not just color swaps the visuals are but the rest are not
@Jimmy De'Souza Exactly, the whole point of the reapers in one is their vast ancient inorganic consciousness you don't even know that Saren's ship is a reaper until nearly the end. They should have remained mysterious alien and utterly destructive.
This song needs to play from huge speakers on EA's headquarters. I can just imagine this song playing as the CEO enters the room.
The moment he steps through the door, all you'd hear was the Reaper's BWAAAAANH.
:D Thats perfect.
AwkwardTurtle EA is something even worse than a Reaper, I don't know what exactly, but it is.
+Hydra h2o h2o Orz. Definitively Orz.
If the Reapers are Elder Things, then EA's CEO is Cthulhu himself.
Everything about Sovereign put me on edge. Every bit of it's presence and mere existence made me afraid. and the theme! It absolutely sells me on this character. This isn't a person. This isn't even a monster. It's a force of nature, as unrelenting and unstoppable as gravity.
And it is completely... incontestably... evil.
Lovecraftian, almost. ;-)
@@TheLordexilius you're awesome for this response
@Joey Fredrickson and so are you
@@TheLordexilius There's nothing "almost" Lovecraftian about it. Reapers indoctrinate people simply by exposure. Scientists investigating the hull of a dead one had their minds warped and their memories mixed up. Because, as one of them said... _Even a dead god can dream._ And that horn they keep blaring in 3? It's more than just a scary sound. In-story it's literally designed to forcibly trigger a fear response in the minds of organics that hear it.
Not evil in my point of view, but scarier, the utter lack of empathy
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.
There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it.
I am beyond your comprehension, I am Sovereign.
LOVE this song. Its so sinister.
It had the feeling of "Uh oh we're all doomed if we don't take this evil, terrifying machine out" when it played.
Sovereign is my favorite antagonist.
"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension, I am Sovereign!"
Dark but wonderful. Intimidating but emotional. Great piece of music! I am listening to this and I can already hear Nazaras Voice inside my head...
"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."
+thevirus333 ahh one of the few players who actually know the real name of sovereign :)
+PascimanArc23 It's the Geth name for him. Sovereign doesn't go by a name. Names are below the Reapers.
"Nazara is what the programs inside the Reaper call themselves"- Legion. The geth gave it no name
Sovereign isn't just some Reaper ship Saren found. It's an actual Reaper!
"My kind transcends your very understanding. We are each a nation. Independent. Free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence."
Sometimes I listen to this, look up at the sky and I honestly get scared. I become afraid at the possibility that something like sovereign is out there. In the vast darkness of space. Waiting. And the most terrifying thing is. ......it's actually possible
and we wouldn't know until it came for us, and at that point... it would be too late.
''You exist because we allow it. and you will end because we demand it'' Sovereign AKA Nazzara
I think I'm being indoctrinated by this music
Sovereign does not answer your questions, it merely reminds you that you are nothing on the galactic scale. Actually one of the best crafted villains IMO, BioWare fucked up bad by leaving this kind of writing behind
This theme is just f*cking perfect. It really get across the idea of the reapers being an unstoppable, unknowable, ancient entities, that in a way inspire a sense of awe, as well as cosmic horror. Love the chorus in the theme as well.
How creepy would it have been to go though a portal on the Citadel something in 2 or 3 and wind up in a realm of darkness. Where Sovereigns disembodied voice speaks.
"Foolish creature. You destroy our vassals, vanquish our armies, and time and again your arrogance leads you to mistake these mere delays, for victories. The true essence of our being still untouched, save for the brief moments we permit.
The essence the first harvest at their height could not comprehend, that they foolishly thought was their own. We reached past the frontiers of our realm, took their form as ours only to understand the chaos of yours, and quell it. A mission as eternal as our being. Know this Shepard, know the depths your futility. As it was, as it is, as it will be. We shall return... we shall always return."
Sovereign > Harbinger
+Not A Particularly Remarkable Brick reaper made mistake, my mind cannot comprehend it
The shields were not that good either, they couldn't withstand the Citadel fleet. That's why Sovereign needed the Conduit - to close the arms and prevent the Citadel fleet from reaching it. And no, the geth were not enough help either (again, wouldn't have needed the Conduit if they were). So basically the strategy was as good as anything, it was just not fast enough.
Harbinger was a great villain, but they only mentioned him in passing in Mass Effect 3
Talk about ass writing.
So this is one of the best villain themes of any game ever, right?
This and Bowser’s Castle theme, yes
He is not a child, He took the form of one. If he wanted to, he could have appeared before Shepard in the form of a Turian, or a Vorcha, or a Leviathan... He is the collective embodiment of all Reapers; he is Sovereign's mind, just as he is the destroyer on Rannoch's. He is them, they are him.
He's like the ultimate geth. With each cycle, as each new Reaper is created, he becomes more intelligent.
What is this? Some kind of VI interface?
Mr. Ontological you are not saren
There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it i am beyond your comperhension i am Sovereign!
I don't think this is a VI.
Whenever you see a cuttlefish, let this theme play in your head.
I remember I got chills to listening to this and talking to Sovereign. So well done.
Love Sovereign's theme. It's so intimidating.
ME1 reaction to reapers :
OH MY LORD! HE IS A REAPER ALL THE TIME! I NEED TO DESTRO IT!
ME2 reaction to reapers : OH MY LORD! THE COLLECTORS ARE BUILDING A HUMAN REAPER! I NEED TO DESTROY IT!
ME3 reaction : OH MY... Well... There here... Again... Well... Let the Trashmaw kill one and the Flotille + Normandy another one... Oh... And let's shoot at one with thousands of rockets... They are just reapers... Not my problem :)
Reaper: Shepard...
Shepard: You know who I am?
Reaper: You represent Chaos... We represent Order...
*WE SIMPLY... ARE*
I haven't even played a mass effect game, and I already know sovereign is the best executed villain in any serious media..
Sovereign was the epitome of a Lovecraftian space-horror. Reapers, the concept of cyclical extinction and further delving into their origins in ME2 painted them as the pinnacle of evil. Their capabilities, architecture and technology left you in awe as you pondered the implications. I remember spending minutes examining bodies of the different husk creatures, asking myself: "What? How? Why?". Brilliant.
And now? They're pawns of some star child? "There was an chaos so I did an Reaper lol"...
You're oversimplifying it. What if the Leviathans were trying to find a solution to the Dark Energy phenomenon I call the Dholen problem, but those damn organics fighting synthetics got in their way? That would explain the survivors on Despoina. Since Harbinger is the collective consciousness of all the Leviathans having actualized into a single personality like Legion before his death, he'd probably know where the survivors are, but since he's a stopgap to allow the Leviathans to figure out the Dark Energy phenomenon, he's not gonna kill them *all*.
Now that Shepard has shown the Intelligence that synthetics and organics can get along, the new solution is to have organics and synthetics achieve synthesis so we can get back to work on that... well... that Starkiller.
@@Renji9031 I agree!
I hate the star child part of the Reaper story but I don't get the hate on the ME3 Reapers. Harbinger is pretty awesome.
It’s hard to top Sovereign. Imagine if their voices were swapped.
I think it’s because they feel more like galactic invaders rather than cosmic horror lovecraftian type villains which was why they were so scary
Or EA was scuttling them along and forcing them to put out content faster than they were ready because they cared about money, not about content. Happens a lot. You'll be intimately familiar with this if you're a Knights of the Old Republic (the original Xbox games) fan.
I knew exactly what the Reapers were and how the trilogy ended when I started playing these games for the first time. I still shit myself when Sovereign told me he was coming to fuck my shit up.
Hello no, guys you aren't paying attention.
If the subject of the dreams was someone Shepard had been personally close to, then the appearance of Harbinger as Catalyst would not work, it would not trigger thoughts about the future (destroy, control, synthesize), it would only trigger thoughts about the past and those thoughts would be "AVENGE ASHLEY/KAIDEN/"INSERT DEAD SQUAD MEMBER".
But the point of Catalyst is, Shepard giving himself/herself into Reaper logic instead of "on our terms"
"You exist because we allow it, and you end because we demand it."
"Synthetics and organics don't have to destroy each other!"
"The Battle of Rannoch disproves your assertion. Finish your war, We will be waiting."
"War's over. Both the quarians and geth are coming for your ass Star Child!"
The kid was just a form that Shepherd would find familiar. Could have been anything. Would you have been happier if it manifested its self as a space hamster?
Coz', as every decent Talimancer, Shepard knows what's inside their suits :D
We could have used the Reapers in Andromeda, just to show the Kett what the "pinnacle of evolution and existence" really is.
The Intelligence has no real form, it just used the most vivid form available in Shepard's psyche.
Before The Darkness(Destiny saga) there were the Reapers
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it the cycle cannot be broken.
In the entire mass effect series you felt like your in a helpless struggle against gods unstoppable mechines beyond the point of death itself, Hopefully ME Andromeda can replicate this feeling
...About that.
hahahahahahaha
Yeah...this comment didn't age well..
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+Red Dell I'm commander Shepard and this is my favourite video on the Citadel.
play this at my wedding
Quarians inside their suits? Artistic designers were lazy.
The Catalist is a plot device? Let's use the boy Shepard's been dreaming about through the whole game. Surely no one will expect to see him again.
Art? Yeah, right.
A good story does not require a degree in philosophy to make sense.
The Reapers can communicate with indoctrinated minds, and no one else. If the Reapers can read Shepard's mind, then he is indoctrinated. And then, the indoctrination theory makes much more sense than Starchild and his space magic.
I am sovereign and this my favorite song on the citadel
THE RED SAREN EYES
Don't. Look. Behind.
I agree. Had Ashley Williams/Kaidan Alenko been the subject of the dreams (the one who died as a direct result of Shepard's choice) and not the foolish kid who REJECTED Shepard, I'd have bought into them. As is, I just play Yakety Sax when I get sucked into the damned ME3 dreams and close my eyes.
There are excellent mods that replace the dreams
It’s eerie how if you’re renegade shep and you don’t save the council this music plays while using is talking about an all human council
Greatest villain of all time. Sovereign forever!
And the quarians inside their suits does make sense, actually XD The geth had to change everything else to something Shepard could percieve, why not the quarians?
This legit scaries me
Harby and Sovy were both scary and classy enough beforer ME3. Now they are the lackeys of some kid.
greetings, fellow Renegades...
Yeah, yeah...Many words that can be summed up with only two : Space Magic. Anyway. That's assuming the Reapers suddenly acquired the ability to read people's minds.
my stellaris theme lol
I can hear something from the first Baldur's Gate in this music.
+edolivorno93 Probably because they were both developed by Bioware
+edolivorno93 Something similar to the main menu theme from Neverwinter Nights too.
*YOU ARE NOT SAREN*
RUDIMENTARY CREATURES OF BLOOD AND FLESH. YOU TOUCH MY MIND, FUMBLING IN IGNORANCE, INCAPABLE...OF UNDERSTANDING
Your words are as empty as your future. I am the vanguard of your destruction. This exchange is over
And now they are the lackeys of Shepard.
Shepard:ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!!!
0:01
*You are not Saren*
It really looks like Dune's theme.
So epic!
You represent chaos we represent order
If I ever became a master criminal, this would be my theme.
yes electronic arts are innocent bystanders in all of this. oh how my heart aches for them.. -_-
I think of the kid as an incarnation viewed through Shepard's mind: in a way, that kid has been driving him the whole of ME3. The mindless destruction of innocence plagues him. Even if it's not canon, I think that the Conduit itself is not able to be accurately interpreted by human perception, and thus Shepard perceived it as something relevant to him - like in the geth servers where the quarians still wear suits. View the ending less literally and I find it quite enjoyable as art.
After watching the Leviathan DLC Walkthrough I'd say they're pretty badass lackeys
This exchange is over
Damn! Now Harby's haunting my nightmares as a pole dancer D= !
The best theme of the original trilogy
Geez... that was 8 months ago...
I like to think our first conservation with AI would go a lot like the one Shepard and Sovereign had in this game.
@spoonmonkey14 Yeah. Because since this is the first ME game, BioWare probably wanted to put on first impressions that the Reapers were infinite, scary, and the main threat out of all the bad guys in the galaxy put together.
Either that or they specifically made Sovereign to be scarier than Harbinger for another reason.
You are not Saren.
be my master sovereign!
I want Bioware to remake this game so bad, just imagine how epic this game would be with a new graphics engine and better gameplay.Or better yet restart the series, retell the stories of ME 1-3 and give us a better ending this time.
got it ;)
*chills*
Lovecraft's cellphone ringtone.
When will we have a game series that is as great as the Mass Effect Trilogy
dont think dirty thoughts, dont think dirty thoughts...... too late =(
this song makes me feel a bit like when i listen imperial march in star wars.
The EYES BOO GO FOR THE EYES!!!!!!!!!!
Keep telling yourself that Harby. You just can't accept that you've been bossed around by some kid for the last few million years.
Now here's a good argument. If their aim was to use the emotional cheap shot or posing as someone who's death was Shepard's fault, using the squaddie who died in Virmire would work. Heck, go for full effect and have every dead squaddie show up, like an even bigger kick for thoe who let too many people die.
That would have made me fucking cry.
While I still think Harbinger is the main enemy of ME (fuck Starchild) and still scary in his own right, Sovereign was more mysterious and showed a genuine dislike for organics, whereas Harbinger was seemingly indifferent (if not intrigued by organics), though still on a mission to wipe us out.
It is that mystery and malevolence that make Sovereign scarier. You aren't sure what it'll do.
Nevertheless, I was bitterly disappointed with the lack of direct control in ME3.
I find that grammar more scarier than Soverign or Harbinger.
Well it's not really a kid it's just something familiar to you that you see, just like in the geth server
The only thumbs downs are the indoctrinated who don't want their boss to be seen (heard/felt) as evil.
Shepard is more familiar with his space hamster than he was with a damn kid he never saw before. So, yeah, that would make more sense. According to your logic that is.
The Intelligence is not going for familiarity. He's going for the "Innocent people you don't even know are going to die and the only way to stop it is to do what I say," vibe. Indoctrinated by the Reapers to save the galaxy from their assault and find a solution that would allow us to get back to work on Dark Energy is what I got out of the whole thing.
We are the end of everything.
if only they had music like this in andromeda
Sounds a bit like a scary version of the Godfather Theme.
Funny how much it sounds like the theme to Baldur's Gate, the original great BioWare RPG.
Sovereign maxed out on intimidate
Pretty much. Heck, they did more to fix it than other games have done to fix their own lame endings. I've played my share of games that end of glaring cliffhangers. Bioware added new lore setpieces, a DLC for more squad interactions AND an epilogue. And yet people still whine. So I agree with you, people need to get over themselves. Because honestly,the whiners and complainers are so obnoxious that by this stage not even a remake of the game would please them.
Did you play the game at all?
If so did you see the dream sequences or the bit just before Shepard left earth?
It communicated through a form that was familiar and held meaning to Him/Her.
I used to, but the part where Harbinger attacks Hammer Squad in Mass Effect 3 changed that,