Can you inoculate grain spawn like growing mushrooms using the over the counter myco packs? Then use that to make an extract or further inoculate your fresh compost pile, like using the tea here? Im trying to find the fastest and easiest way possible to get fungal life back into the soil. I find that a lot of NPK junkies like the fast response fertilizer can give you, so its unsatisfying to wait a year for your pile to be done and they quit.
Something Ive thought of recently: if you collected a small quantity of IMO from your compost pile and examined it using microscopy tools, assuming you determined it was a high quality beneficial collection, would you think that its worth it to collect Compost IMOs and process them up to IMO3 and then create IMO4 using your entire assortment of 'compost collections' and your 'natural collections'? It was an idea being kicked around while discussing the full variations of reasons and ways to deploy and take full advantage of IMO collection processes.
And then, to my surprise, Marco on the Bryan and Marco show on FCP was thinking the exact same thing as me: collecting IMO from compost probably shouldnt be your only IMO source BUT it has potential to be a great tool for further inoculating your growing medium with fully diverse microbiology.
@@justrynnagitthere1430 I'm at the point where I can't say for certain until I do the DNA sequencing and a series of microscope assessments including LIVE/DEAD staining, epifluorescence, and dark field on top of the standard and revised SFW brightfield methods. I have a plan to break this all out into a public forum that I'll host online and we'll have a deeper layer for researchers, students, etc. but it'll have the test series results publicly and folks can submit to get included and we build out a place where we all can gather enough information to formulate the next level of understanding. We are all nibbling at its edges and since I started sequencing DNA everything has (again) changed for me, BUT I need to finish the process of testing (everything multiple times from multiple sources) to start it out properly. I'll have more on this in the coming weeks. Stay tuned my friend!
Great question - it's always best practice to wait until the compost is completely through it's hot process before we make fungal teas with it. If you did a compost with "hot" or still actively decomposing compost, you will have liquid decomposition, SO that's what you use to take down and digest your mulch, your tilled in cover crop, or chop and drop on the surface. It does have a use, but it's not for fungal teas.
What if we could do what we do with microscopes and see INTO the pile too, so we could map the layers and differentiation in heat to make a 3D image and map the % and heat differentials....
Something big was a mirage that initially led us here to Texas - in the fallout we had to find shelter. We are here for the moment, for the transformation, and then like the seasons we'll change.
Do compost pile ever catch fire? Another question, I Back to Eden most my yard with arborist wood chips, but a big section I used black dyed pine bark. I did that cause I got a bunch free. I talked to landscape company gave it to me, what was on it made it black? He said it wasn't paint but maybe charcoal? Anyway, wish I didn't use it. I wonder if there is a specific fungi that would speed up it's decomposition? I see some strange looking puff ball fungi near pine forrest in woods. I don't know but I hate to mess up more. I got tons of grubs so I inoculated with beneficial nematodes. Crossing fingers they weren't dead. Anyway, enjoying your vids. I'm following your advice as closely as I can. I got a 55 gallon drum and air compressor to start making compost tea. Ashamedly, I been using urine to bacteria up. Every now and then I get the "dog puke" fungi patch. But I think it comes from the Alaskan fish fertilizer. I tried to make IMO but not much white mold. I used white rice but the molasses was fructose based. So I start over. Feel free to critique, your advice appreciated. Rick
Fire starts at 451 F and compost never gets above 170ish. Be suspect of decorative bark because it likely has weed suppressant chemicals. I did that and it stunted that area of the garden. Use clean materials in your compost. I’m about to try inoculating Biochar in a compost pile from the beginning. Urine is a balanced fertilizer 5-5-5 but doesn’t provide any beneficial microbes. Why put fertilizer in a compost pile? Having said that, I’ve heard that urine can help get a compost pile going, which might be because of the nitrogen. I thought Matt said in another video that molasses can promote pathogens so don’t use it.
Yes, compost piles do occasionally catch fire, but it's quite rare for it to happen and mainly happens in massive commercial sized piles. It needs the right conditions to produce alcohol and other flammable substances, aka enough of it has to go anaerobic for enough time to produce enough alcohol then the right oxygen alcohol mixture needs to form somewhere where it's hot enough that that mixture self ignites. This is supper unlikely because it's really hard to get compost that hot. In reality, as usual, it's a bit more complicated because an anaerobic pile will produce different flammable vapours and gases not just ethanol so determining what kind of temperature with what kind of mix of flammable stuff and oxygen could reach the threshold for spontaneous combustion and where that threshold exactly lies will probably always guesswork. But flammable vapours and gases at let's say 60C will only need the tiniest spark to ignite and having a little electrostatic or other spark in the right place at the right place is apparently not impossible, Murphy law and stuff because it has happened ... But it mainly seems to be exothermic chemical reactions of some of the microbial by-products that can end up increasing the temperature enough that something ignites, which seem to be mainly oxidizing reactions aka you need anaerobic conditions producing something en masse that then hits a lot of oxygen or the process needs to happen slowly in a well thermal insulated informant to slowly increase heat. In the end, it seems hard to study therefore it's not fully described and understood and every time it happens it's probably a bit different anyways. Check out Wikipedia on the topic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion Here some research on hay fires Oklahoma State University news.okstate.edu/articles/agriculture/2020/stotts_braums-fire.html Ontario's Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/dairy/facts/hayfires.htm
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Woow the white mycelium mass can be seen from here!! Much love brother!! Keep the love and regeneration growing! 💚🙏🏼
I want to get IMO-1 and compare the two genetically. I suspect they are the same or closely related.
I built 2 Johnson Sue bioreactor compost bins, once built, no more work
Can you inoculate grain spawn like growing mushrooms using the over the counter myco packs? Then use that to make an extract or further inoculate your fresh compost pile, like using the tea here? Im trying to find the fastest and easiest way possible to get fungal life back into the soil. I find that a lot of NPK junkies like the fast response fertilizer can give you, so its unsatisfying to wait a year for your pile to be done and they quit.
Something Ive thought of recently: if you collected a small quantity of IMO from your compost pile and examined it using microscopy tools, assuming you determined it was a high quality beneficial collection, would you think that its worth it to collect Compost IMOs and process them up to IMO3 and then create IMO4 using your entire assortment of 'compost collections' and your 'natural collections'? It was an idea being kicked around while discussing the full variations of reasons and ways to deploy and take full advantage of IMO collection processes.
And then, to my surprise, Marco on the Bryan and Marco show on FCP was thinking the exact same thing as me: collecting IMO from compost probably shouldnt be your only IMO source BUT it has potential to be a great tool for further inoculating your growing medium with fully diverse microbiology.
@@justrynnagitthere1430 I'm at the point where I can't say for certain until I do the DNA sequencing and a series of microscope assessments including LIVE/DEAD staining, epifluorescence, and dark field on top of the standard and revised SFW brightfield methods. I have a plan to break this all out into a public forum that I'll host online and we'll have a deeper layer for researchers, students, etc. but it'll have the test series results publicly and folks can submit to get included and we build out a place where we all can gather enough information to formulate the next level of understanding. We are all nibbling at its edges and since I started sequencing DNA everything has (again) changed for me, BUT I need to finish the process of testing (everything multiple times from multiple sources) to start it out properly. I'll have more on this in the coming weeks. Stay tuned my friend!
Would the heat from the hot (bacterial) composting kill the fungi/mycorrhizae from the compost tea?
Great question - it's always best practice to wait until the compost is completely through it's hot process before we make fungal teas with it. If you did a compost with "hot" or still actively decomposing compost, you will have liquid decomposition, SO that's what you use to take down and digest your mulch, your tilled in cover crop, or chop and drop on the surface. It does have a use, but it's not for fungal teas.
Would inoculating the pile with worm tea be as effective, or are the microbes completely different and would work against each other?
I wonder how the pile would look through thermal goggles
What if we could do what we do with microscopes and see INTO the pile too, so we could map the layers and differentiation in heat to make a 3D image and map the % and heat differentials....
@@ThePermacultureStudent yeah that would be awesome 😁
Love ur videos! But what made u move to the urban area?
Something big was a mirage that initially led us here to Texas - in the fallout we had to find shelter. We are here for the moment, for the transformation, and then like the seasons we'll change.
@@ThePermacultureStudent that's a perfect way to put it ! Much love keep the dream going one day ur soil knowledge will be common sense
Do compost pile ever catch fire? Another question, I Back to Eden most my yard with arborist wood chips, but a big section I used black dyed pine bark. I did that cause I got a bunch free. I talked to landscape company gave it to me, what was on it made it black? He said it wasn't paint but maybe charcoal? Anyway, wish I didn't use it. I wonder if there is a specific fungi that would speed up it's decomposition? I see some strange looking puff ball fungi near pine forrest in woods. I don't know but I hate to mess up more. I got tons of grubs so I inoculated with beneficial nematodes. Crossing fingers they weren't dead. Anyway, enjoying your vids. I'm following your advice as closely as I can. I got a 55 gallon drum and air compressor to start making compost tea. Ashamedly, I been using urine to bacteria up. Every now and then I get the "dog puke" fungi patch. But I think it comes from the Alaskan fish fertilizer. I tried to make IMO but not much white mold. I used white rice but the molasses was fructose based. So I start over. Feel free to critique, your advice appreciated. Rick
Fire starts at 451 F and compost never gets above 170ish.
Be suspect of decorative bark because it likely has weed suppressant chemicals. I did that and it stunted that area of the garden. Use clean materials in your compost.
I’m about to try inoculating Biochar in a compost pile from the beginning.
Urine is a balanced fertilizer 5-5-5 but doesn’t provide any beneficial microbes. Why put fertilizer in a compost pile? Having said that, I’ve heard that urine can help get a compost pile going, which might be because of the nitrogen.
I thought Matt said in another video that molasses can promote pathogens so don’t use it.
Yes, compost piles do occasionally catch fire, but it's quite rare for it to happen and mainly happens in massive commercial sized piles. It needs the right conditions to produce alcohol and other flammable substances, aka enough of it has to go anaerobic for enough time to produce enough alcohol then the right oxygen alcohol mixture needs to form somewhere where it's hot enough that that mixture self ignites. This is supper unlikely because it's really hard to get compost that hot.
In reality, as usual, it's a bit more complicated because an anaerobic pile will produce different flammable vapours and gases not just ethanol so determining what kind of temperature with what kind of mix of flammable stuff and oxygen could reach the threshold for spontaneous combustion and where that threshold exactly lies will probably always guesswork.
But flammable vapours and gases at let's say 60C will only need the tiniest spark to ignite and having a little electrostatic or other spark in the right place at the right place is apparently not impossible, Murphy law and stuff because it has happened ...
But it mainly seems to be exothermic chemical reactions of some of the microbial by-products that can end up increasing the temperature enough that something ignites, which seem to be mainly oxidizing reactions aka you need anaerobic conditions producing something en masse that then hits a lot of oxygen or the process needs to happen slowly in a well thermal insulated informant to slowly increase heat.
In the end, it seems hard to study therefore it's not fully described and understood and every time it happens it's probably a bit different anyways.
Check out Wikipedia on the topic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion
Here some research on hay fires
Oklahoma State University news.okstate.edu/articles/agriculture/2020/stotts_braums-fire.html
Ontario's Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/dairy/facts/hayfires.htm
Too much of a Good Thing?
Only way to tell will be the finished product under the microscope and DNA sequencing ;)
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Er, that is horribly dry