Frieza isnt stupid, He saw Gogeta in Broly Movie, and Gogeta even introduced himself and talked about how fusion works, on top of witnessing a glimpse of how strong SSB Gogeta was against Broly. There's no way Frieza hasn't taken fusion into account in his training to surpass Goku and Vegeta, imo the reason why Frieza went overkill and went 10 years instead of another 4 months is because he was ultra paranoid and decided he needed to surpass a Goku and Vegeta who fused instead of them individually.
I’m right there with y’all too. Frieza is a lot smarter than we think and I really want to see Frieza defeat Gogeta early next arc to prove this point!!!
I agree! 4 months and he previously jumped over the entire roster now 10years of training? He may have even learned new abilities taking so much time and focus in the chamber like that.
@@KaioshinCurt also the numbers are far off the real multipliers of super sayian and so on only regular super sayian against freeze was 100x but the super sayian they have now is stage 4 the mastered super sayian form they had against cell is far far more than a 100x and then every other multiplier on top of that ultra instinct goku is many many many many times beyond 1000x still doesn't change that black Frieza stomps ui goku atm but that only goes to show how strong black Frieza is however a ultra ego ultra instinct fusion would be interesting to think about
Do people realize Gogeta’s BASE alone would be stronger than UI Goku and UE Vegeta then if that isn’t enough, God, Blue and UI/UE multipliers stacked on top is overkill. With the Frieza training for 10 years logic people using, he’d be able to beat Beerus… all I’m saying wait until the next arc to make a conclusion. IMO it’s no way Gogeta/Vegito would lose with the insane fusion multiplier and god forms
@@hdhxsuaddsidudue3647 Actually yes, considering he watched him in action against Broly and Gogeta himself even explained the multiplier to him. He was training with the assumption that he might have to face a UI Gogeta, and felt more than confident enough to leave them alive even with that in mind. He more than likely beats him.
Lol gogeta base is only at ssb at full power , and gogeta blue is a little higher than Mui goku but current gogeta would be different. And we don’t know that frieza was only going 5% on ue vegeta and tui goku so if frieza goes 50% he’ll probably make gogeta look like paper and frieza is also hiding another form and that won’t look good on gogeta sometimes the heroes lose
As the fusion of both goku and Vegeta, Gogeta should definitely be able to tap into ultra instinct regardless that Vegeta doesn’t know it. We need to see Gogeta really struggle and even lose for once and it makes sense for Black Frieza to be the one to do it.
This is why Frieza trained so long and unlocked a new form. It wasn't to stop Goku and Vegeta, it was to stop Gogeta. If he never saw Gogeta, he wouldn't have trained for years, since his new power is overkill when confronting Goku and Vegeta. I don't think Frieza truly understands how powerful the fusion is, seeing how even SS1 Gogeta was stronger than Perfected SSB Goku, Vegeta, even stronger than Golden Frieza and SS Broly. The fusion, even in their weakest forms, will be stronger than Goku and Vegeta at their maximum. Not to mention when he fights Gogeta, their intelligence is combined as well as their strength and Gogeta has access to both Goku and Vegeta's moves. Not to mention Gogeta knows Hakai, since Goku also knows that move. Frieza also may have gotten past the stamina flaw, but Gogeta, seeing how strong he is, may even be able to handle Ultra Instinct better or perhaps they may do what Vegeta did to Goku Black, which is switch from TUI to UE back and forth, conserving energy and using both forms to his advantage.
People seems to forget and heres why. The Gogeta during Broly was prior to vegeta Gaining is Ultimate Ego Form And Gokus Strongest UI Form. They strongest form now and then fusing into gogeta is a major power gap.
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How many times they gonna bring back the same ass characters? Lol I mean Damnnnnnn they ran out of ideas frfr 😂 but I fw it tho 🔥 then they gon say “black freeza” he must b black like me 😂😂🔥🔥
@@schemar17 but frieza’s plot armor is kinda ridiculous now. Gogeta did not end him despite him being Goku’s violent attributes and vegeta’s ruthless attributes put together. And then, there is his ass pull against ssb with golden frieza
Hey Juan, great to hear from you! I just started uploading again, so there's not much to catch up on thankfully haha. I hope everything is going well for you :)
I personally think you may be slightly overestimating frieza's gains. IRL people that are training hit plateaus. In working out or dieting or any major attempt to change your body, typically you see the most dramatic results in the first few weeks or months, then the changes become barely noticeable as your body gets used to the new routine. That's why a ton of people have a full head of steam in say January/February to get that summer bod, and by week 2 they are down 10 lbs or so, but then get discouraged when it goes to maybe just a pound or 2 a week shortly there after, and they just give up. I'm not caught up at all (like TOP was the last thing I saw) but if real world logic could be applied I would say that 30x the training would likely yield 10x the results. (I know this is getting long) while Frieza did do mental training in hell, he did no physical training obviously, so how much stronger do we really thing he was in TOP than in ROF? he said his primary focus was stamina right? Since that was his undoing. And goku and Vegeta were exponentially stronger just in SSB in the TOP than they were in ROF. 3 years of training in the ROSAT all the zen Kia boost from Goku Black. We know for fact that Goku had gotten at least 10x stronger because he could match or beat Hit without kioken x10 (that's just math lol) Frieza may be a prodigy, but I would argue that Goku and Vegeta are no slouches haha
Well we could argue that blue gogeta is suppressed in the broly movie because written material about the movie talks about how gogeta only showed a hint of his true power if I remember correctly and that's what the fight shows us imo but still Frieza probably stomps either way. And again great video.
Even if Gogeta still wins, Frieza would just go back and train again. This guy's potential is unlimited. We're finally gonna see Frieza vs Beerus for sure.
The power of Beerus is basically unlimited, at least when it comes to destruction. He has no regrets, no guilt, no mercy. You might say, but didn't Freeza survive Hakai before? Not in the manga continuity. Even if you count those instances, one was a fragment of a fragment in the hands of a mook given to him by a guilt ridden G.O.D. and the other was from Toppo who couldn't kill in the TOP. A 100% UE Beerus utilizing a Hakai might do the trick.
Y'all giving freezer too much credit Goku and Vegeta was knocking skin off gass face anybody could have punched gas in the stomach and put a hole in his body was fragile already
I am honestly sick and tired of Frieza at this point. The saiyans really do need to defeat him for good this time. He's literally kept around due to popularity and serves no real purpose in the narrative. Frieza being alive is a current and constant risk to the saiyans and Earth. After what happened in the Granolah arc, Goku and Vegeta have no reason to keep Frieza alive. The risks outweigh the potential gains they could get from fighting him. Frieza in his current state is definitely more powerful than Goku and Vegeta, but I don't think he could defeat Gogeta or Vegito. The power of either fusion is significantly greater than Goku and Vegeta combined, plus having the current skills of Goku and Vegeta would make either Gogeta or Vegito even more formidable. Not to mention that Whis once mentioned in the resurrection f movie that if Goku and Vegeta work together, they would be able to go toe-to-toe with even Beerus. Whis may not have said that in the resurrection f arc, but it still holds true. By working together, Goku and Vegeta were able to accomplish a lot more than they could ever do on their own. The oracle fish did prophesied that Goku and Vegeta would become the strongest rivals of Beerus, not Frieza. Speaking of the oracle fish, Whis at the end of the arc stated that Frieza is most likely not the strongest in the universe that was foretold in the latest prophecy of the oracle fish. So, there is plenty of time for Goku and Vegeta to catch up to Frieza again, and therefore their fusions to be even more powerful than Frieza currently is.
I'm really impressed mate, the statements from the oracle fish and Whis I definitely missed out, my apologies. I hope Super holds true to them. Great comment :)
No the answer is...all of the saiyans currently surround Broly and go super saiyan making him now even more powerful and if just keeps training with Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, woooo Jiren? Insane potential.
Who knows because plot armor is it’s own selective creature in a way. It runs on convenience and makes things happen that are just absurd then other times it’s gone and the same potential we saw before is no place to be found unless it’s called for.
An important thing to point out is that POST TOP vegito blue has been stated to be equal to beerus. I don't know if this is referring to the broly movie, moro arc, or the granolah arc. My headcannon is that Gogeta is weaker, but has better moves and can be fused longer than Vegito. But an ultra instinct gogeta is definitly stronger than vegito blue, meaning that black frezia is as stronger or stronger than beerus for him to win against gogeta. what do you think about this?
Just a note, I am talking about POST TOP vegito blue and not black arc. I don't belive the part where shin says that Vegito blue's power is equal to beerus during the black arc.
I honestly disagree. despite friezas immense potential newbie gains are still a thing and that was what allowed him to leap from namek saga levels to ssjb in 4 months. over 10 years of training, he would at one point or another start to see a point of diminishing returns once he reaches the limit of his potential. as for gogeta/vegito we also don't know his full capabilities yet or even how much potential he has so it's pretty much a wild card rn
frieza potential is insane tho, goku trained for like a decade plus, much of his training is either life or death combat like cell and buu, training with good partners in the hyperbolic time chamber, or working with good masters like king kai in the afterlife, and eventually whis. at that point he felt getting to super saiyan god level through training was impossible. he needed the ritual to brige the gap between Ssj 3 and trading blows that could destroy the universe. Then he trains and learns to add super saiyan, multiplying that power by 50x. frieza ressurects, as strong as he was when he got killed by trunks, so like star level maybe, and then skipped over gokus blue form like it was nothing in four months, despite only having tagoma to train with, whos neither a great teacher nor a strong opponet. despite the suboptimal circumstances he still manages to multiply his power by billions at a lowball. Then, he keeps up with goku and vegeta, who fight more hard battles in the U6 tournament, train for zamasu and black (including using time chamber in vegetas case) and then overcome their limits again in the final parts of the zamasu arc. How did frieza keep up? he just imagined fighting goku while paralyzed in hell. hes shown no signs of slowing down now that hes interested in getting stronger.
The thing you dont talk about is how much stronger Gogeta would be overall then he was in the broly movie. The current Gogeta now would far surpasses blue gogeta in the movie in Base.
I disagree we saw super buu, with Gohan absorbed basically be in similar position and once fusion came he got worked fusion Is a Multiplier you can't easily Estimate because it'd combines everything not just power .
In outright strength in a head on fight I think freiza would win. However, both Vegeta and Goku have more experience fighting opponents stronger than them, and winning. So I don't believe Frieza would win, if Gogeta could strategize properly. Also writers lol
I could just imagine UI Goku punching UE Vageta hard enough to match his power level for the fusion to work (Which pisses off vageta because it both hurted like hell, and Goku was stronger than him,)
Ay can somebody help me understand how do freeza beat Mui gogeta?? I need answers so at dis point freeza stronger than beerus that’s wat y’all saying???
You guys are forgetting Goku and Vegeta have the best transformation one dodges the other takes them head on If they were to fuse they will literally be untouchable and when they do get hit they would just grow stronger because of Vegeta ultra ego
Well first of all it would be ultra Gogeta not only ultra instinct but ultra ego too and secondly I don't think he'd win but probably Gogetas first time struggling to win but if Frieza did win it then I think the long term thought and idea of a triple fusion might come into play and with Gohan finally getting his upbringing it would make sense that either he would handle it or would be enough with the triple fusion to best black frieza as the idea of brokuta and other fusion ideas have already been thrown around and some have already reached db heroes and u can't say no bc it's not Canon bc black frieza is currently only in manga not the animation
*Welp Here we go if goku and vegeta are lucky they probably will spend their next 10 years in the chamber* *Or sone Broly Action after he’s done training with Whis and Beerus*
ruclips.net/video/2oTNqyNFOtQ/видео.html Seth just dropped a video talking about how strong vegetio, is you gotta rewatch that super buu fight its clear vegetio is just on whole another level.
This video is hella flawed.. dont forget granola one shotted goku as well... but look how quickly goku overcame him...plus ultra instinct black frieza fought wasnt gokus strongest form.. tht was just ultra instinct!! Did u guys already forget goku can use ultra instinct on top of super saiyan blue!?
I get it, but I respectfully have to disagree. Most fans don’t realize ultra instinct is both a broken technique and transformation. It constantly elevates your power level until it is greater than that of your opponent. no if you would just say Vegito blue versus black reason then yeah black is gonna win if you don’t understand or realize the magnitude of the OP factor of ultra instinct omen mastered and true UI.
Just because black freiza defeated goku and vegeta in their ultra states dosent mean that will happen to gogeta. Gogeta is talented then u guys think he is and gogeta blue would be obviously enough to defeat black freiza. Gogeta also has soul punisher that takes away evil spirits so even tough freiza gotten stronger dosent mean that will happen to gogeta. Gogeta will break freiza I half END OF DISCUSSION
Nope, Black Freeza has no chance of winning againts ultra ego gogeta/vegitto Whis state to beat freeza(black form) goku and vegeta needed to fight team work Theres is a hyperbolic time chamber, goku and vegeta can still surpass there currently form. Goku and Vegeta also has whis to train them much harder and longer to achieve more powerful ability Even goku or vegeta can still handedly black freeza if they giving up there more powerful ability training.
Honestly. I HATE they are making Frieza an major villain again. And honestly - I hope he wins. And gohan will have to get off his ass. Lol. Or Broly Is the hero
Cap bro mui gogeta is op is in angel level you need goku mui and vegeta mui to be gogeta mui or vegito mui gogeta mui 16 nonillon >>>> beerus mui full power powerlevel 2 nonillon whis full power mui 20 nonillon
Toriyama is a hack, he will be milking Frieza till he dies. The fact Frieza is stronger than portara fusion, Gohan's limitless potential marketability and Broly's infinite rage is proof he's a lame writer.
Frieza isnt stupid, He saw Gogeta in Broly Movie, and Gogeta even introduced himself and talked about how fusion works, on top of witnessing a glimpse of how strong SSB Gogeta was against Broly.
There's no way Frieza hasn't taken fusion into account in his training to surpass Goku and Vegeta, imo the reason why Frieza went overkill and went 10 years instead of another 4 months is because he was ultra paranoid and decided he needed to surpass a Goku and Vegeta who fused instead of them individually.
I super agree with you, my thoughts have been along those lines. Frieza has acted so he won't lose to any saiyan now, fused or not
I’m right there with y’all too. Frieza is a lot smarter than we think and I really want to see Frieza defeat Gogeta early next arc to prove this point!!!
Black Frieza not beating the fusion sory
@@javonsmith3064 actually it’s very possible considering he knew of how powerful Gogeta is so he took precautions to train for far longer
@@javonsmith3064 And yet you don't elaborate further, Frieza is aware of Gogeta's power it's only logical he'd train long enough to surpass him
I agree! 4 months and he previously jumped over the entire roster now 10years of training? He may have even learned new abilities taking so much time and focus in the chamber like that.
I can't wait to see what else Frieza is capable of
You do have to take into account that with any character training there has to be diminishing returns at some point
@@KaioshinCurt also the numbers are far off the real multipliers of super sayian and so on only regular super sayian against freeze was 100x but the super sayian they have now is stage 4 the mastered super sayian form they had against cell is far far more than a 100x and then every other multiplier on top of that ultra instinct goku is many many many many times beyond 1000x still doesn't change that black Frieza stomps ui goku atm but that only goes to show how strong black Frieza is however a ultra ego ultra instinct fusion would be interesting to think about
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Do people realize Gogeta’s BASE alone would be stronger than UI Goku and UE Vegeta then if that isn’t enough, God, Blue and UI/UE multipliers stacked on top is overkill. With the Frieza training for 10 years logic people using, he’d be able to beat Beerus… all I’m saying wait until the next arc to make a conclusion. IMO it’s no way Gogeta/Vegito would lose with the insane fusion multiplier and god forms
@Batman The exactly this video is honestly nonsense
Vagito is ruled out he sucks. Time would run out in 10 seconds tops. He hasn’t even beaten anyone. He always runs out of time
@@hdhxsuaddsidudue3647 Actually yes, considering he watched him in action against Broly and Gogeta himself even explained the multiplier to him. He was training with the assumption that he might have to face a UI Gogeta, and felt more than confident enough to leave them alive even with that in mind. He more than likely beats him.
Gogeta base is not UI level.
Lol gogeta base is only at ssb at full power , and gogeta blue is a little higher than Mui goku but current gogeta would be different. And we don’t know that frieza was only going 5% on ue vegeta and tui goku so if frieza goes 50% he’ll probably make gogeta look like paper and frieza is also hiding another form and that won’t look good on gogeta sometimes the heroes lose
As the fusion of both goku and Vegeta, Gogeta should definitely be able to tap into ultra instinct regardless that Vegeta doesn’t know it. We need to see Gogeta really struggle and even lose for once and it makes sense for Black Frieza to be the one to do it.
It would be a great opportunity to showcase that fusion isn't even always the last resort, a not so often plot for Dragon Ball, I agree Earl :)
@@KaioshinCurt well said. That would be a great opener to the next arc to see Black Frieza dominate Gogeta with his new power
Nope Black Freeza still will be defeat by Goku and Vegeta by anytime, for another training.
I hope so but if there's a plot protecting gogeta it will do anything to make gogeta win
I agree with this. I made a comment about the Black Frieza in a different video. I said he would one shot the fusions, because of the power increase
I agree with you Khumo :)
U guys are litterly underestimating gogeta
Facts
@max marrero nigga what frieza one tapped goku mui and ultra Ego vegeta 😂 what is u talm about foo
This is why Frieza trained so long and unlocked a new form. It wasn't to stop Goku and Vegeta, it was to stop Gogeta. If he never saw Gogeta, he wouldn't have trained for years, since his new power is overkill when confronting Goku and Vegeta. I don't think Frieza truly understands how powerful the fusion is, seeing how even SS1 Gogeta was stronger than Perfected SSB Goku, Vegeta, even stronger than Golden Frieza and SS Broly. The fusion, even in their weakest forms, will be stronger than Goku and Vegeta at their maximum. Not to mention when he fights Gogeta, their intelligence is combined as well as their strength and Gogeta has access to both Goku and Vegeta's moves.
Not to mention Gogeta knows Hakai, since Goku also knows that move. Frieza also may have gotten past the stamina flaw, but Gogeta, seeing how strong he is, may even be able to handle Ultra Instinct better or perhaps they may do what Vegeta did to Goku Black, which is switch from TUI to UE back and forth, conserving energy and using both forms to his advantage.
People seems to forget and heres why. The Gogeta during Broly was prior to vegeta Gaining is Ultimate Ego Form And Gokus Strongest UI Form.
They strongest form now and then fusing into gogeta is a major power gap.
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Thank you! Yes I like to always be positive, clean and give good vibes ✨️
The fact this is still a debate
People just like gogeta because of the god tier animation we got
Frieza slapping everyone is just amazing
ikr so interesting to see again
How many times they gonna bring back the same ass characters? Lol I mean Damnnnnnn they ran out of ideas frfr 😂 but I fw it tho 🔥 then they gon say “black freeza” he must b black like me 😂😂🔥🔥
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Boy Frieza is no ordinary character hes a godamn symbol for generations@@hunnidshottas1808
Bruh, that's wrong. Gogeta will win because he has plot armor from Goku
hahah plot armor for the win! yes they would write Gogeta to win
If goku has plot amour why did he get one shotted in mui by black frieza
@@youngkillaprime3789 him not getting killed is plot armor being active
@@schemar17 but frieza’s plot armor is kinda ridiculous now.
Gogeta did not end him despite him being Goku’s violent attributes and vegeta’s ruthless attributes put together.
And then, there is his ass pull against ssb with golden frieza
Hahaha loved that dbz jingle. Missed your videos man. I gotta catch up. Been so busy with work.
Hey Juan, great to hear from you! I just started uploading again, so there's not much to catch up on thankfully haha. I hope everything is going well for you :)
Ultra Gogeta could still happen!
There is no telling how powerful Frieza's Black form truly is.....
I personally think you may be slightly overestimating frieza's gains. IRL people that are training hit plateaus. In working out or dieting or any major attempt to change your body, typically you see the most dramatic results in the first few weeks or months, then the changes become barely noticeable as your body gets used to the new routine. That's why a ton of people have a full head of steam in say January/February to get that summer bod, and by week 2 they are down 10 lbs or so, but then get discouraged when it goes to maybe just a pound or 2 a week shortly there after, and they just give up. I'm not caught up at all (like TOP was the last thing I saw) but if real world logic could be applied I would say that 30x the training would likely yield 10x the results. (I know this is getting long) while Frieza did do mental training in hell, he did no physical training obviously, so how much stronger do we really thing he was in TOP than in ROF? he said his primary focus was stamina right? Since that was his undoing. And goku and Vegeta were exponentially stronger just in SSB in the TOP than they were in ROF. 3 years of training in the ROSAT all the zen Kia boost from Goku Black. We know for fact that Goku had gotten at least 10x stronger because he could match or beat Hit without kioken x10 (that's just math lol) Frieza may be a prodigy, but I would argue that Goku and Vegeta are no slouches haha
Hey there mate, that's a great point! very well thought through
@@KaioshinCurt I have my moments lol
Not reading this essay
@@0neTrickWonder simplified, people that work out hit plateaus and level off after a point, where gains become smaller and smaller as time progresses
@@Ifitfitz22 Ty lol
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hello there :) I'm glad to meet you
Well we could argue that blue gogeta is suppressed in the broly movie because written material about the movie talks about how gogeta only showed a hint of his true power if I remember correctly and that's what the fight shows us imo but still Frieza probably stomps either way. And again great video.
Thank you for your donation again mate :) And that is a great point. I wasn't aware of the comment made about the movie, that is very important info!
Even if Gogeta still wins, Frieza would just go back and train again. This guy's potential is unlimited. We're finally gonna see Frieza vs Beerus for sure.
fantastic point mate :)
The power of Beerus is basically unlimited, at least when it comes to destruction. He has no regrets, no guilt, no mercy. You might say, but didn't Freeza survive Hakai before? Not in the manga continuity. Even if you count those instances, one was a fragment of a fragment in the hands of a mook given to him by a guilt ridden G.O.D. and the other was from Toppo who couldn't kill in the TOP. A 100% UE Beerus utilizing a Hakai might do the trick.
Beerus would absolutely humiliate Frieza.
And Goku and Vegeta are just gonna keep getting stronger as well.
Please tell me what editing software you use 🙏
Adobe Premiere Pro mate :)
Freeza ought to be the final villain. He began the Dragonball saga and his final death should end it.
Y'all giving freezer too much credit Goku and Vegeta was knocking skin off gass face anybody could have punched gas in the stomach and put a hole in his body was fragile already
Fax
I am honestly sick and tired of Frieza at this point. The saiyans really do need to defeat him for good this time. He's literally kept around due to popularity and serves no real purpose in the narrative. Frieza being alive is a current and constant risk to the saiyans and Earth. After what happened in the Granolah arc, Goku and Vegeta have no reason to keep Frieza alive. The risks outweigh the potential gains they could get from fighting him. Frieza in his current state is definitely more powerful than Goku and Vegeta, but I don't think he could defeat Gogeta or Vegito. The power of either fusion is significantly greater than Goku and Vegeta combined, plus having the current skills of Goku and Vegeta would make either Gogeta or Vegito even more formidable. Not to mention that Whis once mentioned in the resurrection f movie that if Goku and Vegeta work together, they would be able to go toe-to-toe with even Beerus. Whis may not have said that in the resurrection f arc, but it still holds true. By working together, Goku and Vegeta were able to accomplish a lot more than they could ever do on their own. The oracle fish did prophesied that Goku and Vegeta would become the strongest rivals of Beerus, not Frieza. Speaking of the oracle fish, Whis at the end of the arc stated that Frieza is most likely not the strongest in the universe that was foretold in the latest prophecy of the oracle fish. So, there is plenty of time for Goku and Vegeta to catch up to Frieza again, and therefore their fusions to be even more powerful than Frieza currently is.
I'm really impressed mate, the statements from the oracle fish and Whis I definitely missed out, my apologies. I hope Super holds true to them. Great comment :)
@@KaioshinCurt thanks for the compliment.
Frieza isn’t beating gogeta with MUI and UE 😂😂 y’all just say anything in here
No the answer is...all of the saiyans currently surround Broly and go super saiyan making him now even more powerful and if just keeps training with Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, woooo Jiren? Insane potential.
He said a bit of a power up pretty sure he knows he could do more
Who knows because plot armor is it’s own selective creature in a way. It runs on convenience and makes things happen that are just absurd then other times it’s gone and the same potential we saw before is no place to be found unless it’s called for.
I just hope he finally learned how to sense Ki
Lmfao fr, bros rlly gotta get that goin, his stealth game finna be wild if he learns to supress ki too
An important thing to point out is that POST TOP vegito blue has been stated to be equal to beerus. I don't know if this is referring to the broly movie, moro arc, or the granolah arc. My headcannon is that Gogeta is weaker, but has better moves and can be fused longer than Vegito. But an ultra instinct gogeta is definitly stronger than vegito blue, meaning that black frezia is as stronger or stronger than beerus for him to win against gogeta. what do you think about this?
Just a note, I am talking about POST TOP vegito blue and not black arc. I don't belive the part where shin says that Vegito blue's power is equal to beerus during the black arc.
What if Goku, Vegeta, Granolah, And Broky fuse together at the same time and go into their strongest forms?
Why they did the fusion rings they fusion and they fusion rings on Gohan beast + Goku mastered ultra instinct + ultra ego vegita??
When the villains train too lol
yeah this doesn't happen often
It's been a while since i've watched videos on here
Where did you get that suit? It looks so 🔥
Thanks Bro! I love being a supreme kai and I got it from Ebay
It seems the vegeta's prophecy it truned to reality can't say im suprised but anyway it was great video as always take care king ❤❤❤❤❤🙏🙏🙏🙏🙌🙌
Thanks, you too!
I honestly disagree. despite friezas immense potential newbie gains are still a thing and that was what allowed him to leap from namek saga levels to ssjb in 4 months. over 10 years of training, he would at one point or another start to see a point of diminishing returns once he reaches the limit of his potential. as for gogeta/vegito we also don't know his full capabilities yet or even how much potential he has so it's pretty much a wild card rn
frieza potential is insane tho, goku trained for like a decade plus, much of his training is either life or death combat like cell and buu, training with good partners in the hyperbolic time chamber, or working with good masters like king kai in the afterlife, and eventually whis. at that point he felt getting to super saiyan god level through training was impossible. he needed the ritual to brige the gap between Ssj 3 and trading blows that could destroy the universe.
Then he trains and learns to add super saiyan, multiplying that power by 50x.
frieza ressurects, as strong as he was when he got killed by trunks, so like star level maybe, and then skipped over gokus blue form like it was nothing in four months, despite only having tagoma to train with, whos neither a great teacher nor a strong opponet. despite the suboptimal circumstances he still manages to multiply his power by billions at a lowball.
Then, he keeps up with goku and vegeta, who fight more hard battles in the U6 tournament, train for zamasu and black (including using time chamber in vegetas case) and then overcome their limits again in the final parts of the zamasu arc. How did frieza keep up? he just imagined fighting goku while paralyzed in hell.
hes shown no signs of slowing down now that hes interested in getting stronger.
The thing you dont talk about is how much stronger Gogeta would be overall then he was in the broly movie. The current Gogeta now would far surpasses blue gogeta in the movie in Base.
I'd say gogeta would need to crush his limits in those 30 minutes like goku and vegeta did in the top otherwise he wouldn't win
Frieza is just too powerful idk how Goku is going to surpass Frieza who has 30 times the training buff he had in ressurction f (presumably)
black frieza vs ultra instinct gogeta? you sure ur not showing ultra ego instinct gogeta?
It's Ultra Gogeta
I disagree we saw super buu, with Gohan absorbed basically be in similar position and once fusion came he got worked fusion Is a Multiplier you can't easily Estimate because it'd combines everything not just power .
In outright strength in a head on fight I think freiza would win. However, both Vegeta and Goku have more experience fighting opponents stronger than them, and winning. So I don't believe Frieza would win, if Gogeta could strategize properly. Also writers lol
I could just imagine UI Goku punching UE Vageta hard enough to match his power level for the fusion to work (Which pisses off vageta because it both hurted like hell, and Goku was stronger than him,)
Agreed curt however...heh you forgot plot armor exists
hahah yes that's true!
did frieza really use his new black form against gas?! I thought it was just shading effect 🤷 to express his speed.
Yes I think it shows he did and others have mentioned it to me
Ay can somebody help me understand how do freeza beat Mui gogeta?? I need answers so at dis point freeza stronger than beerus that’s wat y’all saying???
Its a hypothetical battle at this point. It hasn't actually happened but its exciting to discuss 😄
You guys are forgetting Goku and Vegeta have the best transformation one dodges the other takes them head on If they were to fuse they will literally be untouchable and when they do get hit they would just grow stronger because of Vegeta ultra ego
This is just crazy
Well first of all it would be ultra Gogeta not only ultra instinct but ultra ego too and secondly I don't think he'd win but probably Gogetas first time struggling to win but if Frieza did win it then I think the long term thought and idea of a triple fusion might come into play and with Gohan finally getting his upbringing it would make sense that either he would handle it or would be enough with the triple fusion to best black frieza as the idea of brokuta and other fusion ideas have already been thrown around and some have already reached db heroes and u can't say no bc it's not Canon bc black frieza is currently only in manga not the animation
*Welp Here we go if goku and vegeta are lucky they probably will spend their next 10 years in the chamber* *Or sone Broly Action after he’s done training with Whis and Beerus*
ultra Gogeta is strong he beat frieza easily
Why is ultra gogeta on the thumbnail🗿
“Black frieza”? Frieze has a black form now?? 🤣Sorry, I haven’t been into dragon ball in a long time
yes he does, it's just come out hahah
@@KaioshinCurt lolol
What about ultra ego
ruclips.net/video/2oTNqyNFOtQ/видео.html
Seth just dropped a video talking about how strong vegetio, is you gotta rewatch that super buu fight its clear vegetio is just on whole another level.
Mark my words lol it's going to be either Ultra Gogeto or Vegito going to take down Black Frieza at the end
This video is hella flawed.. dont forget granola one shotted goku as well... but look how quickly goku overcame him...plus ultra instinct black frieza fought wasnt gokus strongest form.. tht was just ultra instinct!! Did u guys already forget goku can use ultra instinct on top of super saiyan blue!?
I agree. Black Freiza is the strongest.
Gogeta one shots with soul punisher
I get it, but I respectfully have to disagree. Most fans don’t realize ultra instinct is both a broken technique and transformation. It constantly elevates your power level until it is greater than that of your opponent. no if you would just say Vegito blue versus black reason then yeah black is gonna win if you don’t understand or realize the magnitude of the OP factor of ultra instinct omen mastered and true UI.
I agree to
Now ultra vegeto on the other hand frieza stands no chance. Lol anyway idk this should be interesting wonder how beerus will react.
Just because black freiza defeated goku and vegeta in their ultra states dosent mean that will happen to gogeta. Gogeta is talented then u guys think he is and gogeta blue would be obviously enough to defeat black freiza. Gogeta also has soul punisher that takes away evil spirits so even tough freiza gotten stronger dosent mean that will happen to gogeta. Gogeta will break freiza I half END OF DISCUSSION
Nope, Black Freeza has no chance of winning againts ultra ego gogeta/vegitto
Whis state to beat freeza(black form) goku and vegeta needed to fight team work
Theres is a hyperbolic time chamber, goku and vegeta can still surpass there currently form.
Goku and Vegeta also has whis to train them much harder and longer to achieve more powerful ability
Even goku or vegeta can still handedly black freeza if they giving up there more powerful ability training.
or the sayians just reach a new level like ssj4 lol
the writers bring it back cus why not
Honestly. I HATE they are making Frieza an major villain again. And honestly - I hope he wins. And gohan will have to get off his ass. Lol.
Or Broly Is the hero
Cap bro mui gogeta is op is in angel level you need goku mui and vegeta mui to be gogeta mui or vegito mui gogeta mui 16 nonillon >>>> beerus mui full power powerlevel 2 nonillon whis full power mui 20 nonillon
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Toriyama is a hack, he will be milking Frieza till he dies. The fact Frieza is stronger than portara fusion, Gohan's limitless potential marketability and Broly's infinite rage is proof he's a lame writer.
Frieza god glazer
We all know if he kills them gohan beast gonna clap him
Yeah our boy Gohan is gonna wreck villains in the future... I'm hoping
He didn’t get to really showcase his new power. But I’ve seen break downs on how he easily takes on Goku UI And vegeta E
Goleta is going to Hakai the hell out of Frieza to fit wipe him out of existence
Nah i believe a merger of goku and vegeta cud still beat this frieza. Might need ultra ego/ true ui tho.