@@bradhaines3142 Shit, if not in the next few months. They are pricing a "blacked out" version of the cooler itself with (I think they ship iCUE fans) ML120 RGB fans that performs like dog shit in comparison to their price point. 3 Months later, Corsair will release a "New and improved" version, A520 and A540. Both of these models will have an RGB top plate, RGB fan-mounting case/holder/slider-thing, and the only 140mm option will be the A540 RGB model. They will charge anywhere from 20-35 dollars more for it. By pricing dog shit at a high price tag for the fans and branding, they can price flashier dogshit with more RGB for even higher. *"Why buy 1 chocolate bar for 2 dollars on sale, when I can buy 3 chocolate bars for 4 dollars any time?"* that's what they're doing, it lets the flashier option that is 100+ seem like it's a good deal.
Weird, I said meh, that's all I need to see and scrolled down and started reading this as he started saying it. I always see people saying that in comments and say bs... you, sir, just made me less cynical.
Considering how often he flashes that thing at us, let's offer him a clothes modeling tip: Shave off the 'treasure trail' or wear one of your T-shirts.
To be cool, or not to be cool, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous opinions, or to take arms against a sea of bad reviews - and by opposing, promote them.
I mean air cooling is fine. It's low maintenance and performance and acoustics are often better than AIOs. I say this as someone who spent $2k on a custom loop.
@@GregoryVeizades I have yet to see an air cooler quieter under load than my water loop. Especially for the GPU. If only I could water cool my power supply my machine would be virtually silent.
If the competitors were under the same conditions running high 80's-90 then 92 doesn't seem a meaningful issue...esp considering measurement error, 3-sigma, installation variables, etc.
@@exgenica It's hard to keep a "Multicore Enhacement" 9900k under 90C. The Mobos tend to give it way too much voltage to ensure stability at the cost of heat.
@@sneakycactus8815 I am considering buying Scythe Fuma 2 for my Ryzen 5 2600x Processor. Would you recommend it? I've never heard of this brand before, would the cooling power be enough?
@@phyrezz7772 i bought the fuma 2 for my 2600x i had a while back. really good temps at the time, tho i don't have the numbers on hand. totally silent as well. had PBO turned on and it was a huge difference against the stock cooler it came with. now i'm using it with my 3700x and still really good cooling.
I ran the FX8320 in my main PC for work/school/light gaming for almost 8 years and it's now retired to being my garage PC. I ran that thing for hours around 100 degrees when ARK first released in early access and it never gave me a BSOD, they don't die but if you monitor temps you'll be standing by with a fire extinguisher lol
@@slowspeed6500 The FX architecture cannot go much further than 60 before it fries itself. the fact that you said you had it running at 100 for hours is really concerning
@@DYWTE I definitely agree it was concerning and that limit was 62 if i remember right. But that machine was loaned to a friend from like September to December for him to see if he'd like PC gaming compared to his xbox, and he bought Modern Warfare when it released. I didn't think it'd run it, but it played daily for him at 90 degrees for 2 months before he said yeah I like this, I'm building my own. The only part of the game it couldn't handle and would lock up on was spec ops and the temps went above 100 because that's the max Afterburner was set to read to, and I only say above because of how steep the graph was leading up to the 100 line, there's no way it just plateaued there. I in no way understand how, but it refuses to die when it 100% should have. It's never even had a wraith cooler...
@ 1. Prime 95 is not representative of ANY gaming workload. 2. They're using a 9900K, one of the least efficient chips ever in the consumer market (superseded, of course, only by the 10900K). The NH-D15 is one of the best options for anyone who wants a quiet computer.
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@@budthecyborg4575 Yes go with Noctua or an AIO.
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@@budthecyborg4575 Yes i agree Noctua's are just as good as any AIO, but when you say prime95 is not representative of ANY gaming workload, you are not considering the gamers that have had there CPU's running hot at 90c while playing games. What about those gamers? Just google - CPU at 90c while playing games.
Every time I see a Noctua cooler in these comparisons I'm always amazed. The level of engineering they have done for their products must be amazing. Coolest and quietest at the same time.
@@liviuganea4108 having a dark rock psu now and the noctuas as well in my build. Both are pretty comparable tbh. Noctuas are better for pushing air through a rad.
Dinosaur tech, who buys this garbage anymore even after gaming laptops make a thousand times more sense. They need to start making kickass air coolers for laptops instead of this cinderblock stupidity.
damn, i was in a coma for 3weeks. and this is my first day to open my youtube after resting for a couple of days. my recommendations showed me linus' live and i was in shock seeing his title. i quickly clicked his profile to look if there's a new video and i saw this. its a relief. you're one of the reasons why i loved my life loving computers. thank you linus!
Who cares about those tips, if they are not relevant for 99.9999999% of viewers. Just tell me, how many of us are going to build 24 ssd storage server? I will never watch that video, because its value is about zero for average person, nobody cares. The same for 2TB RAM build! Who cares?!
Scythe Ninja5 is new king now, it's basically this Corsair cooler but with more heatsink, and it's 120mm fans are 800rpm so it's completely silent, if you want you can get 1200/1500rpm normal or even RGB fans, it will be as quiet as Noctua NH-D15 with 1500rpm ones and it will still end up costing less, and on Ryzen stuff for some reason it outperforms everything, even H150, x62 and stuff like that that traditionally cool a bit better than D15 but are much louder, Scythe even got some new static pressure fans that outperform Noctua NF-F12 fans on same rpm with same acoustics , but they are Japan-only atm(Aya-Kaze is name of those fans, I might pay someone from Japan to ship me some as 12v RGB ones are 1/3 the cost of Noctua NF-F12's, this is coming from someone with only Noctua fans in his case)
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 yes and no. LGM is on par (practicaly the same number, quiter in DB, worse harmonic) but it's a one Fan cooler for the same price as the D15, a two fan cooler. That's probably why many people including me choose the D15 over the LGM.
11 months ago: Why you shouldn't water cool your PC 6 months ago: Why is Water Cooling Better? This video: Even Corsair Knows Air Cooling is Better Can you even blame anyone at this point for being confused about which one is better when your own channel has flip-flopped on this subject 3 times in the past year alone?
That's the point. One is not necessarily better than the other, they have pros and cons and which is better depends on the person and the application/situation.
@@TvTuTorital On my i7 9700K it stays at about 36C at 4.6 GHz (haven't overclocked it yet, and that's on quiet mode for the AIO). I'm thinking of OCing it to 4.9 GHz or 5.0 GHz. What AIO do you have?
@@louiefriesen In idle the system cools to 29 degrees Celsius and less. yes I have tested many different ones in the price range from stock to 130$ my current water aio cost 75$ or 60$ on offer
Watercooling doesn't "suck" it just isn't worth the cost. AIOs are still marginally better than air cooling and custom loops are a fair bit better (plus they do look better/a lot better), but there's an extreme price disparity and need to perform maintenance.
A big heavy air cooler that can be accidentally moved, no thanks. NY H115 does the job good, plus it looks cleaner in the case and I can get to my RAM easy. Theres no way I'd move over to air cooling.
My $25 (got it on sale, it’s usually about $35) cooler master hyper 212 evo seems like a better purchase every time I watch one of LTTs cooler videos. For reference, I’ve never heard it get loud at all and I’ve never seen my 7700K get hotter than 72 degrees. I mainly play destiny 2 on 1080p 144hz highest settings and it usually stays between 45 and 55 degrees centigrade.
@@pr0ge one is temperature, other is heat, the paste doesent impact heat as much as it does temperature, temperature is higher because heat can't go away fast enough, but it's >200W at 88°C and 92°C(assuming it's not throttling)
Or you can just put Noctua fans on an AIO and get the best of both worlds. Super quiet even at full bore, and no giant tower hanging off your CPU and making everything hard to work on.
@@JMurph2015 Cooling *systems* not cooling fans. Noctua makes some incredibly good cooling *systems*, the ones with 6 heat pipes, a very dense fin stack, y'know the kind. The good cooling systems. AIO Radiators vary in quality a large amount, this is why a NH-D15 is comparable to some 240mm rads, and is better than most 120mm. AIOs have their place in small form factors though, where you can't fit a big proper air cooler.
@@ashleyjohansson230 nah I actually have a D14 as well. It's horrific for my lifestyle. You have to pull it out every time you move the computer, you have to pull it out to change RAM, you have to pull it out to get at my GPU, it's just such a pita. Also, since socket AM4 has the tendency to not hold onto the CPU very well, when you do pull it off, you run the risk of bad things happening to your CPU. It's a good cooler while you aren't doing any of the above, but I do some of the above way too often. Edit: also my SSD slot is under my GPU, so you have to pull both the cooler and the GPU for that one 😅.
Just as an FYI, the SATIMO chamber is for measuring over-the-air antenna performance. Both total radiated power and isotropic sensitivity. They use several probes in a circle to quickly measure power. Other chambers use an antenna on a mast which rotates around the central turn table, which also rotates 360 degrees. Then you get full coverage around the entire phone. The cones in those chambers primary work from about 450 MHz up to 12 GHz. While sound will be attenuated relative to a normal room, it is nothing compared to a room with cones designed for the audible spectrum. Those rooms are downright uncomfortable to be in and can actually make some people physically ill!
Got an A500 a few months ago for $50 plus a $20 MIR so for $30, I love it as a cooler that keeps up with my daily tasks and the occasional stress loads where I am going to walk away from my pc anyways so the acoustics work great for my needs
Thats what i see from Jay's video as well. It looks big, but doesnt offer much performance up compared to normal 120mm cooler, the interesting stuffs are the new ease of use improvements.
I tried water cooling once, (Corsair All in one water cooling unit) and I didn't see much benefit temps were same since I have a 70 degree F room in winter and summer. I noticed the invention of heat pipes rather then just a solid block with fins worked just as well. I bought the basic heat pipe from Cooler master 212 evo. No issues with heat or instability even with over clocking. So I never looked at water cooling again.
A cpu will always be the hottest and one will be the coldest. Question is, is the coldest one better than the hottest one? Is it even a different brand? More like rip your brain, it obviously doesn't work well.
Here's my biggest question, though. How durable are the fan mounting notches? I mean, it's certainly a neat gimmick for fan mounting, but the fans have to be removed for cleaning. And, it's a product that's not worth investing in it they start to fail after...say, 2-3 years.
I have an AIO , and I'm happy to say I will not be going back to bulky air coolers. Most people don't overclock or run the top of the line CPU to aid in their heating of a room. I always liked how big air coolers just bend a MB .... such a pretty sight ...
Just remember to ensure the Magnetic Levitation system gets full steady-state 12VDC....and is NOT *powered* by a PWM or Variable Voltage output connector/pin. It can still be *controlled* by PWM, but it must have access to full 12VDC for the bearings to work properly. If the MagLev bearing system doesn't get constant 12VDC it will not operate properly and will cause additional noise and decrease the life of the fans. Some "splitters" or controllers may wire things in ways to save manufacturing costs or in ways would work for "normal" bearing fans...but were not necessarily designed with MagLev bearings in mind.
Make it like a split AC system with the fan ducts on the outside, use transcritical C02 which means mass flow is small, and you can get a compact size, cooling performance that can keep the chip at zero or below, and the extra strength required for the CO2 compression does not matter at this scale as tube and pipes at smaller diameters are much stronger. The gas cooler which takes place of condenser, can be extra large and heavy duty mounted on the outside, and that means we need less air flow and can be much, much quieter.
i'm just going to say, when i got water cooling, it was drastically better and quieter than my stock fans. the performance difference between air and water may be contested ground, but i also like having actual space inside my pc that isn't taken up but a huge block of metal.
Honestly, on paper when you look at decibels, CFMs, power draw, and cost, air cooling has come a long way and I'll probably do a full air cooled build when I do a complete upgrade in the future.
@@Eonymia Mostly, I was looking for maglev bearing fans at the time, even if the heatsink assembly itself turned out to be something I decided to never use. When I was looking, the cheapest magnetic levitation fans I could find were about $25 each. Figured I'd come out at least even money-wise at the time if all I ever ended up using were the fans. I'd even come out ahead of the game if I then sold the heatsink for a discounted price because I'd removed the fans.
Air cooling spread warm air into the pc case then warm the gpu, while watercooling extract the air from pc case. For compare cpu AIO vs cpu aircooling you must show the temp of gpu too !
Basically if you are in an arid enviornment go for it! You need more humidity anyways, and if the air is already dry a swamp cooler will cool much better, if you aren't in an arid place forget it, it will hardly do anything besides make the humid air more humid... Yuck! In short it depends entirely upon WHERE you live. Reguardless where you live though, get a box fan or two, and at night put them in the windows until roughly 7am. The outdoor temperature is lowest around 6am, but the indoor temperature doesn't INSTANTLY drop to that temperature, (it will take roughly an extra hour to reach equalibrium with the outdoor temperature), after 7am SHUT THE WINDOWS!!! The outdoor temperature will rise much faster than the indoor temperature! Insulation is designed to prevent heat transfer!!! Even on our top floor apartment with ok insulation the non air conditioned portion of our house gets no hotter than 75 degrees on a 95+ degree day!!! That's a 20 degree differiance without ac!!!
In my opinion u need both air and water for a very chilled system. Just an air cooler doesnt really cut it for me and a aio or custom water loops need great air flow to preform, plus he did his comparison without the coolers being in a case with more restrictive air flow
"Even Corsair knows water cooling sucks" Recommended videos: "We water cooled a network switch", "We water cooled an SSD", "This Chinese water cooler is way better than I thought", "We water cooled a RED camera"
A feature was briefly shown but not discussed during the video. It looks like the A500 was designed with corsair memory in mind since it physically clears corsair designed DIMMs. Not all coolers do this, for example the fan on my NH-U14S conflict badly with one of the second DIMM slots when operating in a blow through configuration. on such a cooler, in order to use all memory one would have to change it to operate in a suck through configuration (fan on other side) which also rules out the option of a dual fan (blow and suck through) installation. The noise test does not sound like it was entirely fair. Like Gamer's Nexus does, one has to do either a noise normalized comparison and check the temperatures or a thermal normalized comparison and check the noise to know how well it performs. This is because different fan designs have different maximum air flow rates at maximum speed, and even have entirely different maximum speeds. Although it will likely still lose to the competition, it probably would not sound like a jet engine while doing so.
Linus: "Is that magnetic?"
Linus (thinking): Good god I hope that was magnetic.
I don't think it is lol
@@garavonhoiwkenzoiber it isnt
@@cuy50 its not and it wasnt magnetic.
@@tarkitarker0815 he was being sarcastic
Linus:"I really like to see another attempt at a top-tier high performance air cooler from Corsair"
Corsair:"Ohhh you want more RGB. Got it!"
@@bradhaines3142 Shit, if not in the next few months.
They are pricing a "blacked out" version of the cooler itself with (I think they ship iCUE fans) ML120 RGB fans that performs like dog shit in comparison to their price point.
3 Months later, Corsair will release a "New and improved" version, A520 and A540. Both of these models will have an RGB top plate, RGB fan-mounting case/holder/slider-thing, and the only 140mm option will be the A540 RGB model.
They will charge anywhere from 20-35 dollars more for it.
By pricing dog shit at a high price tag for the fans and branding, they can price flashier dogshit with more RGB for even higher. *"Why buy 1 chocolate bar for 2 dollars on sale, when I can buy 3 chocolate bars for 4 dollars any time?"* that's what they're doing, it lets the flashier option that is 100+ seem like it's a good deal.
Noctua reverse engineerd with RGB? check jk they have some extra stuff you'll never need
Challenge accepted! ® Corsair
Weird, I said meh, that's all I need to see and scrolled down and started reading this as he started saying it. I always see people saying that in comments and say bs... you, sir, just made me less cynical.
Linus the next day: *ok the fuck did you do corsair* _slight silence_ GODDAMMIT ITS COMPLETELY RGB AGAIN!
The image of Linus in underwear is cursed.
I love it
Le bulge
I'm scarred for life
Considering how often he flashes that thing at us, let's offer him a clothes modeling tip:
Shave off the 'treasure trail' or wear one of your T-shirts.
lol
Where?
this is the only channel u cant get mad about advertising , they sneak it in so gently
What do you mean "mad"? I honestly love the way he advertises products... I sometimes even laughed on how ridiculous it is
For the most part I actually like the products he pushes, lol
@@ShaunDelier thats what i am saying , normaly you get annoyed , but he does such a good job :D
Same 🤣🤣
Honestly. Yeah.
I looked at Ruggable because of Linus.
"Water cooling sucks"
~The guy who Watercooled a 100,000$ camera and a Graphing Calculator.
*~The guy who watercooled a $50 calculator
@@diddy_dante added
Air cooling a camera is kinda impractical. Well, overkill air cooling is.
Because air cooling it would just be blowing air on it and not very exiting
aio
"what are they trying to achieve?" - To be cool.
Plain and simple.
an extremely loud
Jesus respects you
To be cool, or not to be cool, that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous opinions, or to take arms against a sea of bad reviews - and by opposing, promote them.
@@soupwizard and if we are to be cool, must we be loud? For are not most of the coolest cats the ones who say the least?
Linus : watercools everything
Also linus: air cooling is fine
I mean air cooling is fine. It's low maintenance and performance and acoustics are often better than AIOs.
I say this as someone who spent $2k on a custom loop.
You can get Linus to say literally anything if you have enough money.
@@GregoryVeizades I have yet to see an air cooler quieter under load than my water loop. Especially for the GPU. If only I could water cool my power supply my machine would be virtually silent.
@@deejnutz2068 this guy over here really believe water-cooling doesn't still have fans involved, and forgets pump noise is a thing.
@@MapleLeafAce Imagine custom loop with air in the pump.
7:06 the coolers on bottom right corner goes
"ahhhh!!....."
lol
"watch out watch out watch out watch ouuuuuuut!4!!!! "
Core temperature: 92 C
Linus: "Yeah, this is looking pretty OK!"
If the competitors were under the same conditions running high 80's-90 then 92 doesn't seem a meaningful issue...esp considering measurement error, 3-sigma, installation variables, etc.
@@exgenica It's hard to keep a "Multicore Enhacement" 9900k under 90C. The Mobos tend to give it way too much voltage to ensure stability at the cost of heat.
You like silent aircooling. Where is Scythe? Scythe Ninja 5 for example
o shit whaddup i didnt expect to see taureor in a linus tech tips vid LOL
@@sneakycactus8815 so is the Noctua one noisier than Ninja 5?
@@sneakycactus8815 claims with no evidence, gotta love the internet lul
@@sneakycactus8815 I am considering buying Scythe Fuma 2 for my Ryzen 5 2600x Processor. Would you recommend it? I've never heard of this brand before, would the cooling power be enough?
@@phyrezz7772 i bought the fuma 2 for my 2600x i had a while back. really good temps at the time, tho i don't have the numbers on hand. totally silent as well. had PBO turned on and it was a huge difference against the stock cooler it came with. now i'm using it with my 3700x and still really good cooling.
Ever since Linus threatened to retire and do w/e he wants, the amount of jokes in the videos have skyrocketed and I love it.
"Hottest running consumer chips, the 9900k"
ooh, gone are the days of "AMD IS HOT" Even though they were, especially the FX 9590
I ran the FX8320 in my main PC for work/school/light gaming for almost 8 years and it's now retired to being my garage PC. I ran that thing for hours around 100 degrees when ARK first released in early access and it never gave me a BSOD, they don't die but if you monitor temps you'll be standing by with a fire extinguisher lol
@@slowspeed6500 The FX architecture cannot go much further than 60 before it fries itself. the fact that you said you had it running at 100 for hours is really concerning
@@DYWTE I definitely agree it was concerning and that limit was 62 if i remember right. But that machine was loaned to a friend from like September to December for him to see if he'd like PC gaming compared to his xbox, and he bought Modern Warfare when it released. I didn't think it'd run it, but it played daily for him at 90 degrees for 2 months before he said yeah I like this, I'm building my own. The only part of the game it couldn't handle and would lock up on was spec ops and the temps went above 100 because that's the max Afterburner was set to read to, and I only say above because of how steep the graph was leading up to the 100 line, there's no way it just plateaued there. I in no way understand how, but it refuses to die when it 100% should have. It's never even had a wraith cooler...
What would a Canadian buy to survive the winter:
[ ] FX 9590
[ ] i9-9900K(S)
/s
And before that, Intel's "Preshot" (Prescott) Pentium 4s.
"Watercooling sucks"
- The guy who watercooled an SSD, 2020
and a phone... and a camera... and a network switch...
And an entire f****** room 2 years ago 😂
@@SapporoPOA lmao I almost forgot about that!
@@tezix5172 mmmm when well "HE" water cool a monitor ???
And a RED camera!
5:15 Sooo, Noctua NH-D15 it is then.
@ A500 Temps are the worst of the bunch, but on top of that it's REALLY REALLY LOUD.
NH-D15 is still a top performer to this day.
@ 1. Prime 95 is not representative of ANY gaming workload.
2. They're using a 9900K, one of the least efficient chips ever in the consumer market (superseded, of course, only by the 10900K).
The NH-D15 is one of the best options for anyone who wants a quiet computer.
@@budthecyborg4575 Yes go with Noctua or an AIO.
@@budthecyborg4575 Yes i agree Noctua's are just as good as any AIO, but when you say prime95 is not representative of ANY gaming workload, you are not considering the gamers that have had there CPU's running hot at 90c while playing games. What about those gamers? Just google - CPU at 90c while playing games.
@ Anyone running a CPU at 90C needs to get an NH-D15 and temps will drop by about 20C.
Every time I see a Noctua cooler in these comparisons I'm always amazed. The level of engineering they have done for their products must be amazing. Coolest and quietest at the same time.
Ain't fucking quieter than my Dark Rock 4
@@liviuganea4108 having a dark rock psu now and the noctuas as well in my build. Both are pretty comparable tbh. Noctuas are better for pushing air through a rad.
@@techbuildspcs Don't know about radiators, not a big fan of water cooling.
@@nicekeyboardalan6972 So you ate Noctua shit. Good to know.
linus: who's our sponser for our video?
me: aw shit here we go again
LTTstore.com if no one else.
L
@B1-OOM-224 Battle Droid Did you even know what I meant? lmao. Hitting the L key skips ahead 10 seconds.
@B1-OOM-224 Battle Droid lol, OK. I approve of that kind of silliness.
Video title in recommended feed: “Even Corsair knows Water cooling suck”
Video Title on the Video: “Even Corsair knows Air cooling is better”
A Jettison hem Tit wait, is the algorithm changing up the video titles or was the title updated within that short time... hmmm...
This is common.
Post video with title A, then change to title B after publishing.
Notifications will read title A, web will read title B.
Linus, you sly dog
Dinosaur tech, who buys this garbage anymore even after gaming laptops make a thousand times more sense. They need to start making kickass air coolers for laptops instead of this cinderblock stupidity.
And both clickbaity as no product is mentioned (something Linus said he would stop doing), so automatic down-vote.
Linus: music pause after a sentence
Me: sponsor here we go
Linus: music pause after a sentence
Me: video has ended, bye!
But the music doesn't exist!
@@Saakk129 It's our brain's alarm system doing a fine job.
damn, i was in a coma for 3weeks. and this is my first day to open my youtube after resting for a couple of days. my recommendations showed me linus' live and i was in shock seeing his title. i quickly clicked his profile to look if there's a new video and i saw this. its a relief. you're one of the reasons why i loved my life loving computers. thank you linus!
Gotta give you props on that intro man! Just strolling along and then BOOM! Not even gonna lie, I played it (first 10-12 seconds) about 4 times. 😂😂
When will Linus ever run out of tech tips? Hopefully never!
LTTstore.com
as long as the world is providing new tech. Linus will give you tips.
unless he finally retires and leave us to go be with his real children
Who cares about those tips, if they are not relevant for 99.9999999% of viewers. Just tell me, how many of us are going to build 24 ssd storage server? I will never watch that video, because its value is about zero for average person, nobody cares. The same for 2TB RAM build! Who cares?!
@@yaroslavpanych2067 i do and so do many other people
Yaroslav Panych ok boomer
As the YEARS pass, the NH-D15 continues to reign supreme, making me happy to have returned my h110i that was loud and janky for one!
happy with my h150 pro and its helping the gpu as well
@@YordanHristooov whatever makes you happy!
Scythe Ninja5 is new king now, it's basically this Corsair cooler but with more heatsink, and it's 120mm fans are 800rpm so it's completely silent, if you want you can get 1200/1500rpm normal or even RGB fans, it will be as quiet as Noctua NH-D15 with 1500rpm ones and it will still end up costing less, and on Ryzen stuff for some reason it outperforms everything, even H150, x62 and stuff like that that traditionally cool a bit better than D15 but are much louder, Scythe even got some new static pressure fans that outperform Noctua NF-F12 fans on same rpm with same acoustics , but they are Japan-only atm(Aya-Kaze is name of those fans, I might pay someone from Japan to ship me some as 12v RGB ones are 1/3 the cost of Noctua NF-F12's, this is coming from someone with only Noctua fans in his case)
Eh, Thermalright Le Grande Macho RT was pretty much Noctua's main competitor that D15 still can't beat. So no, it doesn't reign supreme.
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 yes and no. LGM is on par (practicaly the same number, quiter in DB, worse harmonic) but it's a one Fan cooler for the same price as the D15, a two fan cooler. That's probably why many people including me choose the D15 over the LGM.
Air cooler law:
+1 ugliness = +10 performance
*yes, noctua and corsair, i'm talking with you both*
It backwards 10+ ugliness = + 1 performance
who would pick performance over ugliness? everyone knows that if it looks the best you're basically the best kid on the block these days
Dark Rock Pro 4 would like a word.
Thats why Noctuas went with the brown and beige, going for +10 ugly = +100 performance.
@@jaywastaken is 15+ugly = 2+ performance in nactuas case
The performance is good but is not far off form cheaper models
My dad: We didn't have smartphones back in the day
Me: You also didn't have lttstore.com
But before that lets thank our sponser-
11 months ago: Why you shouldn't water cool your PC
6 months ago: Why is Water Cooling Better?
This video: Even Corsair Knows Air Cooling is Better
Can you even blame anyone at this point for being confused about which one is better when your own channel has flip-flopped on this subject 3 times in the past year alone?
technology advancing as fast as it does is why it flip flops all the time.
That's the point. One is not necessarily better than the other, they have pros and cons and which is better depends on the person and the application/situation.
@@ForgotowToUserName AIOs have been largely the same for the past 3 years in terms of performance and the d15 has been out forever lol
@Kurtis Farrell I’ve never heard of anyone having a problem with an aio leaking, a custom loop is a different story though
0:24 why is my thumb tapping the right side of the screen twice?
I haven't seen/heard an LTT ad is a very long time. I make a game out of double tapping past the first ad, and closing the video before the ending ad.
Allways my bruh
Of course they have an air cooler, i mean it´s CorsAIR
I´ll go now
No wonder it is loud: it is coarse-air!
Bye👋
My mouse has many fans in it
Corswater
"If you can't compete on price and you can't compete on performance, you gotta at least try and be small."
-Linus Sebastian, 2020
*Price
Or something**
Who else was here when the title was still "Even Corsair Knows Water Cooling Sucks."?
And I watched this with a H100i Platinum RGB!
My water cooling cools my ryzen 5 2600x at 4ghz all core to 61 degrees Celsius while playing, better than any air cooling
@@matthiaswarlop2316 More like $1100. Look on Corsair's and EKWB's websites.
@@TvTuTorital On my i7 9700K it stays at about 36C at 4.6 GHz (haven't overclocked it yet, and that's on quiet mode for the AIO). I'm thinking of OCing it to 4.9 GHz or 5.0 GHz. What AIO do you have?
@@louiefriesen In idle the system cools to 29 degrees Celsius and less.
yes I have tested many different ones in the price range from stock to 130$ my current water aio cost 75$ or 60$ on offer
Takes the Deepcool Towercooler: NH-D 15
Takes the Noctua Towercooler: Asassin III
Next time on LTT: "Today we watercool Corsair's air-cooled CPU cooler."
I'm actually curious to see that lol
2:52 Blood sacrifice is the best way to make sure the build gods are pleased though.
Use blood as thermal paste
You would sully the beautiful machine with something so disgustingly organic?! Praise the Omnissiah doesn’t find out about this.
When he says "it looks pretty okay." To me that sounds like it's just average at best
Well.. Yupp
Because,It Is Lol.
Surely that's a personal preference...or do you need Linus to tell you it looks good?
Personally I think it looks amazing, but that’s just my opinion
its basically overpriced
"Oh, is that magnetic?"
No, you just broke it.
Just kidding. But that would have been a linus moment.
For anyone wanting an update on this cooler, it is now around $60 and amazing for the price
Rn it's 120 on amazon :(
@@Nebnub I no longer even have this cooler, sold it on for a neat sum though! Very good, just make sure your case can handle it's 169mm height!
Dude, even corsair "Knows Water Cooling Sucks"
yet Linus still insists in water cooling EVERYTHING
It makes for a more interesting video and spectacle to water cool something.
It's not that watercooling sucks. It still looks better and may give you better temps with high TDP components.
@@theEskalaator its also more stable in temps, keeping them from fluctuating
Watercooling doesn't "suck" it just isn't worth the cost. AIOs are still marginally better than air cooling and custom loops are a fair bit better (plus they do look better/a lot better), but there's an extreme price disparity and need to perform maintenance.
A big heavy air cooler that can be accidentally moved, no thanks. NY H115 does the job good, plus it looks cleaner in the case and I can get to my RAM easy. Theres no way I'd move over to air cooling.
3:33 When you lie in your resume about visual FX experience in video editing.
0:02 Richardo Milos has entered the chat.
underrated
Get up on the floor - some hardware drop related context :)
D-D-D-DO-TAAA
tanki
1:45
“This cooler looks awesome aesthetically, but performance and price are ultimately the dealbreakers” is what I’m getting from this video.
My $25 (got it on sale, it’s usually about $35) cooler master hyper 212 evo seems like a better purchase every time I watch one of LTTs cooler videos. For reference, I’ve never heard it get loud at all and I’ve never seen my 7700K get hotter than 72 degrees. I mainly play destiny 2 on 1080p 144hz highest settings and it usually stays between 45 and 55 degrees centigrade.
"A500" will always be the Amiga 500 in my book...
Thanks for a real review of this product, good and bad.
"One of the hottest running consumer chips on the market: the i9 9900k"
[AyyMD liked that]
Well AMD FX time...?
@@pr0ge I think the 9900K actually has more heat about than even the FX-9590.
Times have changed...
Hmm, probably thermal compound under i9's IHS is making it even worse
@@pr0ge one is temperature, other is heat, the paste doesent impact heat as much as it does temperature, temperature is higher because heat can't go away fast enough, but it's >200W at 88°C and 92°C(assuming it's not throttling)
linus not more than 2 minutes into the video:
"iT's fReE reAL e$tATe!"
MADISON said it better in "My most painful PC Build... - ROG Rig Reboot 2019"
@6:18 Price adjustment wish granted. This cooler is now (12/21/20) on sale at Newegg for the ridiculously low price of $30, after $20 mail in rebate.
This guy is great. Ended up watching the whole video without even noticing. Never quit dude!
0:23 "Who is our sponsor for this video?!"
Top question science still can't answer
Not gonna lie, this was one of the best segues yet.
I stopped using liquid cooling when I discovered Noctua cooling systems.
Or you can just put Noctua fans on an AIO and get the best of both worlds. Super quiet even at full bore, and no giant tower hanging off your CPU and making everything hard to work on.
@@JMurph2015 still better to get an actual noctua for practicality and reliability.
@@JMurph2015 Cooling *systems* not cooling fans.
Noctua makes some incredibly good cooling *systems*, the ones with 6 heat pipes, a very dense fin stack, y'know the kind. The good cooling systems.
AIO Radiators vary in quality a large amount, this is why a NH-D15 is comparable to some 240mm rads, and is better than most 120mm.
AIOs have their place in small form factors though, where you can't fit a big proper air cooler.
@@JMurph2015 Noctua heatsinks won't leak on your components... also better performance than most aios anyway.
@@ashleyjohansson230 nah I actually have a D14 as well. It's horrific for my lifestyle. You have to pull it out every time you move the computer, you have to pull it out to change RAM, you have to pull it out to get at my GPU, it's just such a pita. Also, since socket AM4 has the tendency to not hold onto the CPU very well, when you do pull it off, you run the risk of bad things happening to your CPU. It's a good cooler while you aren't doing any of the above, but I do some of the above way too often.
Edit: also my SSD slot is under my GPU, so you have to pull both the cooler and the GPU for that one 😅.
Just as an FYI, the SATIMO chamber is for measuring over-the-air antenna performance. Both total radiated power and isotropic sensitivity. They use several probes in a circle to quickly measure power. Other chambers use an antenna on a mast which rotates around the central turn table, which also rotates 360 degrees. Then you get full coverage around the entire phone.
The cones in those chambers primary work from about 450 MHz up to 12 GHz. While sound will be attenuated relative to a normal room, it is nothing compared to a room with cones designed for the audible spectrum. Those rooms are downright uncomfortable to be in and can actually make some people physically ill!
0:22 give the award of best businessman of decade
noctua nh-d15 with brown fans all my life!
Its funny how long it took for a computer company that makes AIOs, that has air in the name, to make a new air cooler.
Corsair is not a compound word. It's another name for a pirate ship. It has nothing to do with air.
@@twizz420 Thank you for this.
Jesus Christ you guys, while you have your dictionaries out, why don't you look up the definition of the word "joke"?
@@twizz420 Close, but not 100% right.
I mean corsairs are pirates, it has nothing to do with air.
I don't understand why Corsair.
"Who is our sponsor for this video?"
*TAP TAP*
Got an A500 a few months ago for $50 plus a $20 MIR so for $30, I love it as a cooler that keeps up with my daily tasks and the occasional stress loads where I am going to walk away from my pc anyways so the acoustics work great for my needs
Thats what i see from Jay's video as well. It looks big, but doesnt offer much performance up compared to normal 120mm cooler, the interesting stuffs are the new ease of use improvements.
The way he said,
"Who is our sponsor for this video"
😂
That intro had me laughing.
#Same
2019 Baby Yoda
2020 Baby Nut
2021 Baby Linus
I tried water cooling once, (Corsair All in one water cooling unit) and I didn't see much benefit temps were same since I have a 70 degree F room in winter and summer. I noticed the invention of heat pipes rather then just a solid block with fins worked just as well. I bought the basic heat pipe from Cooler master 212 evo. No issues with heat or instability even with over clocking. So I never looked at water cooling again.
Just picked one up for £36 on Amazon.
"One of the hottest running consumer chips on the market; the i9 9900K"..rip intel xD
A cpu will always be the hottest and one will be the coldest. Question is, is the coldest one better than the hottest one? Is it even a different brand? More like rip your brain, it obviously doesn't work well.
Finally an actual review for this. Hope GN got 1. Can’t wait to see him rip them.
DerB8uer reviewed it too and came to a similar conclusion, it's not really worth it
If he didn't, Steve just gonna buy it anyway if he wanna review it.
2:46 I seriously mangled my hands trying to install my cooler in my little tower
Here's my biggest question, though. How durable are the fan mounting notches? I mean, it's certainly a neat gimmick for fan mounting, but the fans have to be removed for cleaning. And, it's a product that's not worth investing in it they start to fail after...say, 2-3 years.
I have an AIO , and I'm happy to say I will not be going back to bulky air coolers. Most people don't overclock or run the top of the line CPU to aid in their heating of a room. I always liked how big air coolers just bend a MB .... such a pretty sight ...
5:58 "This product is great" - Linus
That's all Corsair needs 😁😁😁
I am all in on AIO at this point, but it is good to know how bad this performs overall. Noctua is still the way to go for air cooling.
This ^ been running a nhd15 on my 8700k since 2017 hasn't broken a sweat at 5ghz ill be moving it to my next build for sure 👍
6:45 speaking of waiting for 10 years, my father who went to buy cigarettes
Wow this was recommended to me once they showed their new office and they have planned to create a noise and sound room for acoustics on products 😂
Thank you SFU for the use of your facilities, I and the community appreciate it.
0:13 OMG, he sounds so much like Dr. Strurgis from Young Sheldon
I got a Linus pulse way ad on a Linus tech tip video lol
Linus: Water cooling is noice
also linus: screw water cooling
Linus was more 'screw AIO coolers'. Custom Loops are awesome.
@@Steamrick yeah
@B1-OOM-224 Battle Droid :(
Next episode: We water-cooled Corsair's air cooler
@@sniperoth lmao LOL
Just remember to ensure the Magnetic Levitation system gets full steady-state 12VDC....and is NOT *powered* by a PWM or Variable Voltage output connector/pin. It can still be *controlled* by PWM, but it must have access to full 12VDC for the bearings to work properly.
If the MagLev bearing system doesn't get constant 12VDC it will not operate properly and will cause additional noise and decrease the life of the fans. Some "splitters" or controllers may wire things in ways to save manufacturing costs or in ways would work for "normal" bearing fans...but were not necessarily designed with MagLev bearings in mind.
Make it like a split AC system with the fan ducts on the outside, use transcritical C02 which means mass flow is small, and you can get a compact size, cooling performance that can keep the chip at zero or below, and the extra strength required for the CO2 compression does not matter at this scale as tube and pipes at smaller diameters are much stronger. The gas cooler which takes place of condenser, can be extra large and heavy duty mounted on the outside, and that means we need less air flow and can be much, much quieter.
I just want a T-shirt that is from LTT store and just says "seq-way"
Why? Are you a fan of motorized scooters?🤔
Of course, LTT is not stupid enough to misspell "Seque". 🙄
@@potdragon8091 lol
Yeah yeah, everyone knows the best by a giant difference it's just plugging the block to the sink
I like my watercooling... It's so quiet compared to my previous mugen.
Going back to older videos make me so happy Linus got a beard 💀
i'm just going to say, when i got water cooling, it was drastically better and quieter than my stock fans. the performance difference between air and water may be contested ground, but i also like having actual space inside my pc that isn't taken up but a huge block of metal.
Honestly, on paper when you look at decibels, CFMs, power draw, and cost, air cooling has come a long way and I'll probably do a full air cooled build when I do a complete upgrade in the future.
Corsair is known for their “odd promotion”
This thing now sells at
Got mine for US$50 NIB.
Because it's not very good, and certainly not silent: ruclips.net/video/OvwnuHHIeY0/видео.html
@@Eonymia Mostly, I was looking for maglev bearing fans at the time, even if the heatsink assembly itself turned out to be something I decided to never use.
When I was looking, the cheapest magnetic levitation fans I could find were about $25 each. Figured I'd come out at least even money-wise at the time if all I ever ended up using were the fans. I'd even come out ahead of the game if I then sold the heatsink for a discounted price because I'd removed the fans.
Their production quality is super high for a RUclips channel. Love watching the videos. They're so informative!
Air cooling spread warm air into the pc case then warm the gpu, while watercooling extract the air from pc case.
For compare cpu AIO vs cpu aircooling you must show the temp of gpu too !
Basically if you are in an arid enviornment go for it! You need more humidity anyways, and if the air is already dry a swamp cooler will cool much better, if you aren't in an arid place forget it, it will hardly do anything besides make the humid air more humid... Yuck! In short it depends entirely upon WHERE you live. Reguardless where you live though, get a box fan or two, and at night put them in the windows until roughly 7am. The outdoor temperature is lowest around 6am, but the indoor temperature doesn't INSTANTLY drop to that temperature, (it will take roughly an extra hour to reach equalibrium with the outdoor temperature), after 7am SHUT THE WINDOWS!!! The outdoor temperature will rise much faster than the indoor temperature! Insulation is designed to prevent heat transfer!!! Even on our top floor apartment with ok insulation the non air conditioned portion of our house gets no hotter than 75 degrees on a 95+ degree day!!! That's a 20 degree differiance without ac!!!
*Even Corsair Knows Water Cooling Sucks
* - Yeah well, teeeeeechnically it has to suck in order for the water cooling to flow and work correctly. 🤔😅
1:46 i walked right in to that he got me good
0:03 Perfection
Right when he said “here, at the studio.” Saw all the kitchen appliances you could find
In my opinion u need both air and water for a very chilled system. Just an air cooler doesnt really cut it for me and a aio or custom water loops need great air flow to preform, plus he did his comparison without the coolers being in a case with more restrictive air flow
So which one was big Linus and which one was baby Linus??
a few years ago amd was the toaster. now intel is back to being the benchmark for cpu coolers lol
7:04 - The other coolers became alive and got startled with Linus...
Right now on Newegg, if you use the rebate thing and the huge sale then you can get it for only 30$ right now, so for the price right now it's great
*looks over at my D15*
"Well I'm glad I went with that"
2:45
“I LoVe iT”
This was the best hook for a sponsor ever lol
"Even Corsair knows water cooling sucks"
Recommended videos: "We water cooled a network switch", "We water cooled an SSD", "This Chinese water cooler is way better than I thought", "We water cooled a RED camera"
You can't win em all
still rocking my old Thermaltake Frio OCK here. Still better than maximum nowadays Cpu air cooler
A feature was briefly shown but not discussed during the video. It looks like the A500 was designed with corsair memory in mind since it physically clears corsair designed DIMMs. Not all coolers do this, for example the fan on my NH-U14S conflict badly with one of the second DIMM slots when operating in a blow through configuration. on such a cooler, in order to use all memory one would have to change it to operate in a suck through configuration (fan on other side) which also rules out the option of a dual fan (blow and suck through) installation.
The noise test does not sound like it was entirely fair. Like Gamer's Nexus does, one has to do either a noise normalized comparison and check the temperatures or a thermal normalized comparison and check the noise to know how well it performs. This is because different fan designs have different maximum air flow rates at maximum speed, and even have entirely different maximum speeds. Although it will likely still lose to the competition, it probably would not sound like a jet engine while doing so.