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  • I can't believe they ruined this...
    Please bring back the old D-Pad touch controls...
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    By far the worst update ever for a mobile player.
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  • @HilmanZ24
    @HilmanZ24 3 месяца назад +266

    Worst controller update in Minecraft history

    • @huskyhacker2515
      @huskyhacker2515 3 месяца назад +7

      Its like the 1.9 of mobile

    • @xItzSpruce
      @xItzSpruce 3 месяца назад

      ​@@huskyhacker2515yea

    • @amanparashar4388
      @amanparashar4388 3 месяца назад +4

      Because of this new worst controls I lost my full diamond armor by falling in lava

    • @anticmaster9474
      @anticmaster9474 3 месяца назад +3

      True

    • @user-pd3fq8ix5d
      @user-pd3fq8ix5d 3 месяца назад +2

      True, worst update ever for Minecraft bedrock.

  • @Encrivity
    @Encrivity 3 месяца назад +153

    To who tf made that change should fucking be fired

    • @dimondboy9158
      @dimondboy9158 3 месяца назад +3

      ME

    • @DEZXD1
      @DEZXD1 Месяц назад +2

      DEFINITELY they should get rid of these fùçking controls. I am used to the old controls because I play alot of Minecraft, this update is BULLSHÍT.

  • @peckz.
    @peckz. 4 месяца назад +141

    These are HORRIBLE😭😭 then what makes it even worse that you can’t move the controls to the edges like the old one? WHAT?

    • @Flyingpig1370
      @Flyingpig1370 3 месяца назад +2

      Bro its so bad

    • @taylorgalindo5373
      @taylorgalindo5373 3 месяца назад +2

      I can’t even control my avatar with the new controls

    • @raihannaufal38
      @raihannaufal38 3 месяца назад +2

      Yes, its true. I can't become more productive at Building in Minecraft. This is worst because this new D-PAD Decrease my building skill to control!

    • @rhythmvaishnav7402
      @rhythmvaishnav7402 3 месяца назад

      Exatlyyy

    • @Coolboi2009
      @Coolboi2009 3 месяца назад +3

      i thought this was a good update for the bugrock players but after watching this video the only thing i can think of to fix this is to just simply increase the size or extend the hitbox of the buttons.
      pretty sure its just a couple of code changes.. right?

  • @trapmonstah6749
    @trapmonstah6749 4 месяца назад +125

    These controls are dogshit

  • @ThatOneKid008
    @ThatOneKid008 4 месяца назад +51

    L mojang for this one😭

  • @heryund
    @heryund 3 месяца назад +44

    These controls are horrible! I used to be so good at pvp with the old controls because of how smooth the controls were but now they are ruined and i can't pvp, move properly, or parkour. Mojang needs to fix this and bring the old controls back.

    • @ZathanYT
      @ZathanYT  3 месяца назад +3

      You mean the old controls back

    • @heryund
      @heryund 3 месяца назад +1

      Yea, sorry about that.

    • @liamcrax58
      @liamcrax58 4 дня назад

      ​@@heryundon mickgamer12 channel you can find a tecture pack to bring them back, tell me if this works

  • @greengreen1127
    @greengreen1127 3 месяца назад +39

    The worst thing is you cant change the gui or check the gui😭

  • @Creeps2099
    @Creeps2099 4 месяца назад +21

    So real, all my skill gone

  • @MR_Tilok
    @MR_Tilok 4 месяца назад +24

    Tbh Zathan, I usually feel the same shame after updating to 1.20.72 on my iPhone... Mojang seriously wtf have you done... 😭
    I was a D-Pad user once, too. Now I'm a Windows and Java user, besides playing on my phone. 😐

  • @LXG987
    @LXG987 4 месяца назад +39

    I tried build battle on the hive and these new controls are just absolutely terrible, fuck mojangs designer they should be fired

  • @08AdrianVlogs
    @08AdrianVlogs 3 месяца назад +15

    I was so upset because of this. Not only is it harder for me to play, but i cant even change it back either. This completely ruins how im used to playing the game. Ive been playing with the old controls since 2014 and now that they changed it, i cant even play Minecraft anymore. I tried to practice using it but its way harder than using the old ones.
    BRING BACK THE OLD CONTROLS!

  • @noobyplayz2840
    @noobyplayz2840 3 месяца назад +27

    you forgot to mention that you unfly by touble tapping fly down instead of double tapping jump while in creative, which ends up placing blocks.. and the new swimming controls... THE FRICKIN SWIMMING CONTROLS ARE *SO BAD*

    • @ZathanYT
      @ZathanYT  3 месяца назад +4

      Oh that's true. I should have talked about that.

    • @HeadS_ROBLOX
      @HeadS_ROBLOX 3 месяца назад

      ​@@ZathanYTbro please is there any mod or smth to bring old one back these are fkin bad bruh

    • @ZathanYT
      @ZathanYT  3 месяца назад

      @@HeadS_ROBLOX I wish

    • @HeadS_ROBLOX
      @HeadS_ROBLOX 3 месяца назад

      @@ZathanYT :(

    • @Flair258
      @Flair258 3 месяца назад +1

      I fucking drowned in a river because I was eating a snack and didn't realize I couldn't just hold down the up button anymore. Oh and I have to continuously hold the up button when trying to even just move in the water now. Everythings just broken. Its so uncomfortable. I used to think switching to a laptop would be too hard for me because I'd have to relearn everything, but now it seems like it would be so much easier than continuing to live like this. At least the controls would fucking work and stay consistent 😭

  • @FlamesUp1602
    @FlamesUp1602 3 месяца назад +16

    This killed the game for me, I literally cannot function I keep looking up keep moving weird my fingers go through the buttons, Bring it back

    • @Flair258
      @Flair258 3 месяца назад +2

      ikr! I literally almost cried yesterday because I needed to place an entire deserts worth of sand for a SCHOOL PROJECT and fucking couldn't because the controls are so bad now. The controls used to be so easy for me. Ive made mine as close to what it was like before as possible but since the button size for the arrows wont go up past 100, I just cant. Its infuriating.

    • @XDBXPQ
      @XDBXPQ 3 месяца назад +1

      Same I can't play anymore because I have really bad sholder pain so I only play with one arm but I can't anymore :( minecraft was my favorite game but I can't play it anymore

  • @rufleelectra4110
    @rufleelectra4110 3 месяца назад +31

    I am not going to play minecraft until they fix it

  • @Mason_Gamer1002
    @Mason_Gamer1002 3 месяца назад +9

    You never know how used you are to something until its gone…

  • @sharansajeev7775
    @sharansajeev7775 4 месяца назад +34

    Bro I need old button

  • @Carlie-Minecraft
    @Carlie-Minecraft 4 месяца назад +13

    Bro I'm with you and now I have to use new controls WICH I SUCK AT AND ATLEAST I FOUND SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS HOW STUPID THESE CONTROLS ARE! I pray Minecraft brings them back! And also I want a mod to get old controls back BUT THERE IS PROBABLY NO WAY U CAN DO THAT

  • @seansilverspirit3944
    @seansilverspirit3944 3 месяца назад +40

    Mojang is tryna force us to use the new controls 💀

    • @huskyhacker2515
      @huskyhacker2515 3 месяца назад +4

      What is mojang gaining by doing this?

    • @gokuluffyTMUI
      @gokuluffyTMUI 3 месяца назад +6

      ​@@huskyhacker2515hates 😂

    • @johnjohns2338
      @johnjohns2338 3 месяца назад +3

      I'll give them one month after that I'll stop checking to even see if I'll bother redownloading the game so they're going to want to think that move over

    • @Dreamerbheem
      @Dreamerbheem 3 месяца назад

      Exactly broooo

  • @darthyoda4934
    @darthyoda4934 4 месяца назад +17

    I have never agreed so much

  • @Oxman6889
    @Oxman6889 4 месяца назад +80

    THIS UPDATE IS THE FUCKING WORST AS DOG SHIT I CAN'T EVEN PVP ANYMORE

    • @AymenGamer64XExtra
      @AymenGamer64XExtra 4 месяца назад +4

      SO TRUE FR FR

    • @user-ci8qy8cj5p
      @user-ci8qy8cj5p 3 месяца назад +4

      Well i guess they did it so people would switch to new controls

    • @Oxman6889
      @Oxman6889 3 месяца назад +1

      @@user-ci8qy8cj5p But the other controls are also bad. We cant just change controls when we are used to the old one. It sucks.

    • @user-ci8qy8cj5p
      @user-ci8qy8cj5p 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Oxman6889 tbh the new crosshair control are miles ahead of the old dpad

    • @Oxman6889
      @Oxman6889 3 месяца назад +6

      @@user-ci8qy8cj5p well for us old players we grew up on dpad controls so we much prefer dpad ones. And since the new controls don't fit the mobile experience, the new controls just feels like its for computer even though its *MADE* for mobile

  • @OneDisaster
    @OneDisaster 3 месяца назад +9

    Fr. Like what was the point of changing the dpad for? 😭

  • @leliambriz
    @leliambriz 3 месяца назад +9

    i’m genuinely so disappointed because today I bought minecraft not knowing about any updates or anything, i just kept begging my mom to send me money to buy it, and when i did i saw the controls and just immediately regret took over my body, i hope they bring back the old controls cuz WTF IS THIS.😭😞

  • @EthanAdey
    @EthanAdey 4 месяца назад +11

    I can’t play it anymore after this lol, d pad is way to high up after

  • @Oxman6889
    @Oxman6889 4 месяца назад +16

    im also so mad about this update

  • @ravennn25
    @ravennn25 4 месяца назад +14

    I have never agreed with a video this much in my life. I despise the new controls. It makes the game unplayable. Literally makes me want to vomit

  • @Jeykit0
    @Jeykit0 4 месяца назад +12

    I started tweaking as soon as I saw the new controls

  • @Rocketguy2079
    @Rocketguy2079 3 месяца назад +5

    Originally I didn’t care, I thought they just changed the textures, I played for a bit and noticed I keep stopping and having to press the d-pad again. The old texture, layout and shape had a special place for the nostalgia that it always brought back. But what can we do, just gotta hope for the best

  • @Sadat1178
    @Sadat1178 3 месяца назад +6

    Bro... This game is doomed as a great game now... 😢

  • @gokuluffyTMUI
    @gokuluffyTMUI 3 месяца назад +7

    THE OLD CONTROLS ARE BETTER. I LOST ALL MY PVP SKILLS BECAUSE OF THIS NEW CONTROLS 😭😭

  • @SonicTheBlueBlur15
    @SonicTheBlueBlur15 Месяц назад +3

    How can i un update it

  • @TrollMasterr
    @TrollMasterr 3 месяца назад +5

    My guy speaks facts in the first 30 seconds why the fuck would they do that They ruined my skills

  • @lysxnvd
    @lysxnvd 3 месяца назад +5

    I used to play Murder Mystery and any other pvp game on mobile, I literally can’t play with these buttons. They have too much space. They need to change it back 😭💀

  • @user-vm7ku6on7j
    @user-vm7ku6on7j 4 месяца назад +20

    SAMME BRO!!!!, it's so nice to see someone who truly understands the difficulties that come wih being a mobile player. I mean my pvp skills have just been ruined by the new spacings, randomly looking at the floor/sky. But I don't know if I'm more annoyed about the fact that I forever cannot get them back into the original positionings CaUSE ThE HoTBaRs iN tHe WAy or some bull.
    Edit: THE HOTBAR SLIDER DOESN'T EVEN WORK

  • @theredrighteye4380
    @theredrighteye4380 22 дня назад +2

    10 years of Muscle memory are gone

  • @Galaxyrblox
    @Galaxyrblox 3 месяца назад +5

    I literally came to minecraft and saw these controls i was like what the actual fuck i couldnt even play properly bro minecraft is doomed

  • @magicfairyunicorn
    @magicfairyunicorn 3 месяца назад +5

    OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE

  • @phantomflamez
    @phantomflamez 3 месяца назад +6

    Don't worry bro some pack enthusiast gonna make a pack to fix it

  • @wellyes4134
    @wellyes4134 3 месяца назад +6

    I ACTUALLY HATE THE NEW CONTROLS OMG
    They are SO UNCOMFY OMG

    • @user-yc6vm5uj9y
      @user-yc6vm5uj9y 2 месяца назад

      It just feels so wrong to play with these new controls they suck 🤮

  • @katkacz6653
    @katkacz6653 3 месяца назад +4

    Fr why they delete the old ones why couldn't they make it so that the old control will still be here and give the new ones just the players could change it😭

  • @bensommer4529
    @bensommer4529 3 месяца назад +2

    After nearly a decade of playing Minecraft PE, I can no longer play the game and it is unbelievably frustrating.

  • @snartboy5000
    @snartboy5000 3 месяца назад +3

    i can’t get the old design back and its fucked me up so bad 😭 my brain has to relearn what to press when before it was intuitive AND even with customization i can’t bear to even play the game for more than a couple minutes right now :(
    i hate how every game is becoming more “modern” with its graphics and controls, it just sucks to see my favorite games change such important design aspects

  • @loekiepower152
    @loekiepower152 4 месяца назад +14

    I feel the same 😭

  • @Flyingpig1370
    @Flyingpig1370 3 месяца назад +8

    I have filed a bug report to mojang and did invite you to please vote for it

    • @ZathanYT
      @ZathanYT  3 месяца назад +7

      Okay where do I vote for it?

  • @Kyutix39
    @Kyutix39 2 месяца назад +4

    This is terrible! Besides being inconvenient, I have to adjust these buttons every time I close minecraft or something goes wrong and everything, these buttons reset to default settings

  • @muhmdahsadbaichoo
    @muhmdahsadbaichoo 3 месяца назад +2

    Rare L mojang, bring back the old Comtrols dawg 😭🙏🙏

  • @exso3487
    @exso3487 2 месяца назад +2

    Swimming doesn't even work anymore when you get to the surface swim button disappears so you drown back

  • @user-pd3fq8ix5d
    @user-pd3fq8ix5d 3 месяца назад +3

    I hate the new touch controls as well, it made my PvP skills so bad. I hope they update the game to bring back the old controls.😢

  • @ProtQz
    @ProtQz 3 месяца назад +6

    Mojangs way to force everyone to change to new controls

    • @Kuenot
      @Kuenot Месяц назад

      Yeah but i use it becuz you can have custom controls and that pretty much fall in love with it

    • @ProtQz
      @ProtQz Месяц назад

      @@Kuenot W then

    • @Kuenot
      @Kuenot Месяц назад

      @@ProtQz yeah and you have to just hold down and you're pretty much god at bridgeing

  • @theultimateg.1109
    @theultimateg.1109 3 месяца назад +1

    When I went to change the size of the buttons I got a black box where I couldn’t even see the scale, I even turned off cookies and still couldn’t see where I needed to click to change the button size.

  • @DarkAnims
    @DarkAnims 3 месяца назад +2

    Ive seen many bad updates from various games, but this one is the first one that actually makes me want to go to the Mojang headquarters and force them to change it back. I cant play using these controls. And just yesterday, i was so excited to play minecraft with my friend after around 6 months. Now i cant even play. I hate mojang.

  • @DylangamerTV
    @DylangamerTV 4 месяца назад +8

    You can resize the controls in the settings but its still not the same 😢, i have a texture pack fro the og controls

    • @ZathanYT
      @ZathanYT  4 месяца назад +7

      You may be able to but the big spacing between the buttons will stay there

    • @loekiepower152
      @loekiepower152 4 месяца назад +6

      Where can i find the texture pack??

    • @DylangamerTV
      @DylangamerTV 4 месяца назад +3

      @@ZathanYT I keep fumbling on build battle with that new change

  • @lovemonster4052
    @lovemonster4052 Месяц назад +1

    They added joystick controller's last year, but kept D-pad original, a year later D-pad changed!

  • @RayDarkShadows
    @RayDarkShadows 2 месяца назад +1

    They had the audacity to change a 10+ yrs old control that is rooted into the players' muscle memory

  • @Uj5529
    @Uj5529 3 месяца назад +6

    I started hating minecraft. I was one of the best dpad co trols player in nethergames . AND Now a level 33 player comboed me badly in nethergames. ☹ I will never play this shit to make my respect down.

  • @GeraldEatsSoup
    @GeraldEatsSoup 3 месяца назад +2

    I mean it when I say the new controls make Minecraft borderline unplayable for me. The jump button is too small (and you can only make it smaller for some reason) and the D pad is way go close to the centre of the screen. It used to be next to the hotbar and now it doesn't even let you put it there.
    This new update serves no purpose and only makes the game worse, and I doubt anyone at Mojang gives a shit. Still it baffle me why they'd do it in the first place

  • @MatTheElf
    @MatTheElf 2 месяца назад +2

    Never Let Mojang Update Minecraft 🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🗣🗣🔥🗣they were able to fuck up swimming and pvp all at once

  • @epicgamer6026
    @epicgamer6026 3 месяца назад +2

    Any1 know a texture pack for old controlls or something like that i can barely break trees with these new controlls

  • @MillennialB1
    @MillennialB1 3 месяца назад +2

    i had been working on a mountain ecit with the old contro;s but when the new one came i cant even built my landscape anymore by i keep dropping when i press down and now im quitting bc if mojangs shit controls i cant even use the darn thing on anything im playing roblox right now until minecraft fixes this suit

  • @thelambking
    @thelambking 3 месяца назад +4

    I used a glitch one time where i would press the forward button and move my finger upwards a little off the button and it still counted as moving.. but the new dpad changed it. FVCK THIS UPDATE

    • @thelambking
      @thelambking 3 месяца назад +2

      Wait until you go underwater, it’s worse there too

  • @LilChiefsGaming
    @LilChiefsGaming 19 дней назад +2

    They should have the old dpad as a option in settings

  • @Refixl
    @Refixl 3 месяца назад +1

    The one with cross hair is my problem its been pushed down on my screen it's probably because of the potion GUI 😭

  • @PokeHusky
    @PokeHusky 3 месяца назад +1

    I came back to minecraft and the controls are messed up/ I build in creative sometimes and flying is more difficult. I cant even play a world with a water elevator because the jump button is so spaced out and the 2 seperate controls makes it worse.

  • @28qwestnmrk
    @28qwestnmrk 3 месяца назад +1

    I CANT EVEN SELECT MY STUFF IN THE HOTBAR

  • @Mon-GTDxEl
    @Mon-GTDxEl 3 месяца назад +1

    Can we change the console back to the old console in the game settings

  • @zuhergamer5663
    @zuhergamer5663 Месяц назад +1

    Bro i thought i was the only one suffering from this😅, this made my pvp so much worst man

  • @iiNxtDilliStudios
    @iiNxtDilliStudios 3 месяца назад +1

    That's why I don't play anymore. I can't get used to them. The depad is too far to the right. The spaces between everything and the way the changed the fly and jump button

  • @senpai_550
    @senpai_550 3 месяца назад +2

    Why would they even change the d-pad control it was perfect

  • @badtimeswithalphys3444
    @badtimeswithalphys3444 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm not playing till the old ones are back

  • @alexcowie3913
    @alexcowie3913 3 месяца назад +1

    How can we get old controls back

  • @Gwendalyn777
    @Gwendalyn777 2 месяца назад

    Is there any way to fix it??? I’m stuck I took a break from Minecraft and now I hate playing it now that I came back and saw the update. I assumed that it would be changeable in settings but it’s not possible

  • @theultimateg.1109
    @theultimateg.1109 3 месяца назад +1

    If they’re trying to force people to switch controller types, why would they do that, how does it matter or how would that benefit them?

  • @Zaniel-ro2hv
    @Zaniel-ro2hv Месяц назад +1

    MINECRAFT NEEDS TO HEAR THIS

  • @XbadpiggeiXChannel
    @XbadpiggeiXChannel 2 месяца назад +2

    this is the shittiest update ever,this is why i liked old controls,when i was playing mcpe 1.14,my friend invited me to play mc but he was on 1.20 so i adjusted and downloaded,when i saw the new controls with the joystick,i was like "ooooo new controls nice" but i liked d pad so i switched to it,when i joined,I SAW IT,THE SHITTIEST THING EVER

  • @Pentagon005875
    @Pentagon005875 3 месяца назад +1

    EXACTLY MINECRFAFT DONE IT TWICE WORST DPAD UPDATES

  • @TrickyGoblin
    @TrickyGoblin 4 месяца назад +4

    that's why I quite Minecraft.

  • @sdkddffffff4359
    @sdkddffffff4359 3 месяца назад +1

    I hadn't played minecraft in a year and when I opened the app I was so angry. Worst update ever.

  • @Rob_Ali
    @Rob_Ali 3 месяца назад +1

    I know righttttt! it’s like removing Christmas 😭😭 I cant play

  • @gdlorenzodm5664
    @gdlorenzodm5664 2 месяца назад

    MY MUSCLE MEMORY IS STILL IN THE OLD CONTROLS I CAN'T ANYMORE

  • @GCH35
    @GCH35 3 месяца назад +1

    Worst update I can’t build I can’t fly properly because I have been so used to the old layout This has actually stopped me from playing

  • @justanother_gremlin
    @justanother_gremlin 4 месяца назад +4

    I feel the exact same. Something I realized is that there's a setting to 'customize' your controls for experimental worlds, but if you fly in creative at all in the game, even if you saved the controls, they'll be reset to be super tiny. Because of this 'customizing' of the controls, they outright removed the option to swap which side certain controls were on(I believe it was the switch titled 'Left Handed'?)

  • @tekogaming9194
    @tekogaming9194 3 месяца назад +2

    We also have the same problem😢 :((

  • @guesty6128
    @guesty6128 3 месяца назад +1

    I want the fricking old one back

  • @retrodon15
    @retrodon15 28 дней назад

    I've always had ideas for Bedrock controls. I think theh should be fully customizable enabling you to customize each button induvidually. I also think they should add the option of having mine and place buttons instead of holding and tapping

  • @Olive4577
    @Olive4577 3 месяца назад +2

    You can’t even turn the controls textures because they just disappear

  • @BBri-bn8ck
    @BBri-bn8ck Месяц назад

    Ong bro everytime I tr to hit some1 the thing thinks I stopped sprinting and the circle goes through the dpad its so bad I took a 3year break and this is what I've come back to ??

  • @VidiVestialgamerz
    @VidiVestialgamerz 3 месяца назад +1

    I pray that they bring back the old touch controls

  • @himitsu09
    @himitsu09 3 месяца назад +1

    I feel you Brother 😢

  • @marcusrusso2988
    @marcusrusso2988 3 месяца назад +2

    Same dude. These new fucking settings made me quit the game that I have played for years

  • @keaton_jb_meme_central
    @keaton_jb_meme_central 2 месяца назад

    I’m having the same exact problem. I used to be cracked at PvP, especially at cubecraft, and now this update has screwed me all up. BRING BACK THE OLD CONTROLS MOJANG

  • @Dqrknss
    @Dqrknss 2 месяца назад +1

    They have to add a setting for old ones

  • @user-se6ly3wx4t
    @user-se6ly3wx4t Месяц назад +2

    Like who tf in the studio thought that new d pad is a great idea

    • @Masmalshen
      @Masmalshen Месяц назад

      You can change it back with texture pack

    • @user-se6ly3wx4t
      @user-se6ly3wx4t Месяц назад +1

      @@Masmalshen but what about the gaps between the buttons

  • @Daniturtle_771
    @Daniturtle_771 3 дня назад

    Damn Mojang, it was only changing the texture, not all the complete controls 😭

  • @MonkeKong69
    @MonkeKong69 2 месяца назад

    Cant you still use the old ones and toggle between new and old?

  • @user-xd8kw4rc3o
    @user-xd8kw4rc3o 3 месяца назад +2

    I am a Joystick user, BUT THIS STILL ANNOYS ME

  • @snowmaske
    @snowmaske 2 месяца назад

    They could have made the old system available for those who were used to it! Backwards compatibility!
    _also what resource pack are you using? I like that animated neon gui..._

  • @Luis12514
    @Luis12514 2 месяца назад +1

    i found this video searching for how to use a texture to have my old dpad

  • @sh3sthunderst0rms
    @sh3sthunderst0rms 2 месяца назад

    my muscle memory is not coping with this.

  • @theotimeyt
    @theotimeyt 3 месяца назад +2

    Who else got here whilst trying to find a tutorial on how to fix it?

  • @HENRYPIKACHU4
    @HENRYPIKACHU4 3 месяца назад +1

    Anyone have a pack to bring it back?

  • @qtv9806
    @qtv9806 22 дня назад

    I thought you could still use the old one but I hated it because it wouldn't let you use the + with it