That's mad! You don't look a day older than 28! Great video. I was umming and ahhing for years about an all in one espresso machine and someone suggested that you are better off getting separate machines instead. I eventually paired a bambino plus with a eureka specialita. I actually 3D printed a single dose hopper and brought some bellows for the grinder so I get the same amount output.
Haha that's very kind of you, thanks! Integrated grinder machines definitely have their pros, but if anyone tells me they're wanting an espresso machine not just as means to an end, but with the intention of really getting into home espresso as a hobby, I'd always recommend separates over integrated.
@@Coffee_Kev unless google is lying to me (which in todays age is very real) there’s no way in hell you’re 47. Imma need to see some closeups around your crows feet as there’s no way thats possible. I’ve genuinely never been so Shocked to learn someone’s age. All the dad humor makes sense I suppose but what? I’m convinced you’re lying lmao
I spent 50 euros on a used Dedica (70 with a bunch of extra stuff) and 210 on a brand new Smart Grinder Pro. Now that I have dialed them in, I get really good results especially for the price. I do drink specialised but still darker roast coffee though, so my setup will probably fall short when it comes to light roasts. But I never liked light roasts anyway. I like to rinse the Dedica and preheat the portafilter as much as possible before pulling a shot. I guess I could always test it head to head against my roommate's Lelit Bianca + Mignon Libra combo but I'm afraid that's gonna hurt my pockets real bad as it will definitely make better coffee. 😁
This is absolutely spot on. I have a well loved Sage barista touch its made according to engineer stats over 4500 espressos. I replaced the burrs and it was great. I bought a rocket appartamento tca and a Faustino 3.1 and it was really good but then I decided to try the grinder with my trusty old sage and found near enough zero difference in quality of shots and did not have to faff making milk by hands as the sage just does it better than me. 😂and saves myself about £1500 quid.
Oh that poor Delonghi grinder gusher. ;) You know, I did this nearly exact thing with a Globe and Mail reporter in 2003: brewed shot with a Mazzer Mini grinder and a $175 Krups 4000 series espresso machine, and then another shot with the same coffee, using a Krups pressed burr grinder and a La Marzocco GS3 prototype machine. He had a similar reaction ;)
This concept is the exact thing I was looking for! I've been wondering for a long time. Side note: love how you're taking the piss out of the cliche RUclipsr faces in the thumbnails LOL - keep it up man, love what you're doing
Well spoken and nearly flawless video. It would have been nice to include a blind taste test to avoid bias, and to do a final comparison where you use the same "good" grinder on both machines to test if the machine had any significant impact on the shot.
would using a hand grinder allow one to save some money? like how much do you have to actually spend for entry level grinder to pull espresso that you will actually enjoy? is 50usd timemore c3esp enough? or can you get something for 100usd? or 200?
I got a Kingrinder K6 (sub$100) and I’m super happy with it. Only downside is time and effort, and especially when prepping to pull back to back shots when guests are over for example. I sometimes will use the blade grinder and pop a pressurised basket in there to save the 10 mins of grinding. A few giveaways for what makes a solid grinder: 1. Build quality - maybe look at reviews or return it unused if something feels cheap 2. Burr size - bigger burrs grind faster. For espresso-fine grinding, that’s important because smaller burrs with hand grinding need 2 mins+. This only goes up as budget increases. The K6 is I think one of the cheapest 48mm burrs - takes me around 40s to grind for espresso. 3. Burr size - bigger burrs also generally grind better, with less clumping / static / heat from prolonged grinding You need to pay a lot more to get 48mm conical burrs on an electric grinder. 4. Fine adjustments: $200+ on an electric grinder gets you stepless adjustments (SD40, DF54), but K6 has a more than competent 16 microns per click. Most cheaper ones, including the Timemore I think, are 22+. 1Z has some grinders with 8-12 micron adjustments but they cost around double the K6. 5. Burr geometry - last but not least, geometry impacts taste, due to how that particle size distribution looks. Some prefer some fines to exist, like Niche Zero, vs DF64 which produces less fines and more clarity. But this point is really difficult to identify other than speaking to owners and watching reviews that compare grinders. Our Coffee Shelter has a great comparison of budget hand grinders talking about all of these points.
I would agree with everything you say with the caveat the coffee machine must have at least a PID or a very good level of thermal stability such as a E61 after that its diminishing returns with the machine and the grinder makes all the difference. it really also depends on what coffee you intend to drink for e.g. I have used a Eureka Mingnon Specialita for the last 3 years but have realised the Burrs are best for that traditional Italian style espresso profile, and they excel with for dark to median roasts but not for for median light and light roasts. So if you want to venture in more lighter roasts as a pure espresso drinker you will need a different grinder with burrs more suited to such roast profiles.
I use a Dedica but found a big improvement when I went from the SAGE Dose Control Pro to an iZpresso J Max hand grinder. True, the hand grinder was more expensive than the Dose Control Pro but dialling in a shot is very easy given the extremely high level of control afforded, eg moving the extraction time by 2-3 seconds with a few clicks of the grind adjustment. I feel this is important as the Dedica doesn't provide many parameters you can control eg the pre infusion time is fixed etc.
Where does that leave machines like the Sage Oracle and Barista? Are they not worth looking at due to having an integrated grinder or is the one they use actually decent?
I have a Barestia Touch machine and the espresso does not taste that good. I have been thinking about upgrading to a better grinder. I’m hoping this will help. I just have to make a decision on which grinder to get. You do not look like you gave kids in their twenties! Love this video!
Absolutely makes the difference I have a touch and made over 4500 shots with it. Best upgrade I ever did was buy a decent grinder. Went for a. Rocket Faustino 3.1 as could not get a niche zero at the time.
I love this. Dumb question I just bought a barista express. I own an encore esp and a k ultra. Will the esp give me anything more than the built in grinder? I know the k ultra is a step up but will be extra effort
@Coffee_Kev would you say that buying the Bambino Plus with say the Eureka Specialita/DF64v2 would be a much better option than say Sage Dual Boiler with the Sage Grinder Pro i.e. the former would produce much better coffee than the latter?
Thanks for the video, I knew we needed a decent grinder and it was going to cost more than my machine. Had my sage Duo temp for several years and very much enjoy the workflow, with the limited number of buttons first thing in a morning being a real bonus. Well overdue to move on from buying ground coffee, mostly drink flat white with just occasional French press use, Niche zero seems to be a good fit, yes?
Bought the bambino for the purpose of working with preground. works perfectly with paper filters on the puck to get smooth coffee. Have little place and don't like a noisy grinder during the coffee experience.
Great video, Kev. Got a question for you. We have the Sage Barista Touch Impress coffee machine. Largely chosen due to your very informative videos 😊. We get our beans from a local roaster and we love our set up. My question is, which grinder would you suggest to go with our set up as we would like to have decaff beans later in the day as the wastage of beans that would happen if we kept switching from decaff to normal beans would be a lot. Many thanks 😊
I bought a Sage Bambino Plus and a Niche Zero. I dont think you get much more entry level of an espresso machine than the SBP (which is worth using anyway). The grinder was double the price that I paid for the espresso machine and I get really tasty shots out of it. £550 is a lot of money for a coffee grinder if you're new to the world of espresso but it's the best investment I've made to my home setup.
Hia Kev after a bit of advice. My wife bought me a Dedica 685. After doing some research I'll be getting a new porta filter at the end of the month and a grinder. So, bearing in mind I'll be upgrading the system what £200 ish grinder would you recommend?
Makes sense...which leaves the question...what grinder to get ? (for a reasonable cost) I've got the stock grinder, which was included as a bundle with Dual Boiler...thinking of upgrading
Thanks Kev, I have the Niche Zero + Dedica combination, which has served me quite well for about 4 years. Just had to replace the Dedica OPV after a loss of pressure and looking to upgrade to a more robust machine with more controllable temperature and pressure. Still needs to be small footprint, with a shortish heat-up time, so looking at options like modded GCP, Profitec Go or Lelit Mara X. Do you have any recommendations for mainly espresso and milk drinks?
for a budget of around $200/250 what would be a decent setup for an absolute beginner?? i was about to do that, spend on a delonghi 3630 and a $30 grinder from amazon
It's given me such a headache all this coffee malarkey. Got the bambino plus, not sure what grinder to purchase or even chich coffee is best for flat whites.
Hi Justin, it depends on your budget regarding what grinder, you will need one suitable for espresso, so start with Smart Grinder Pro, or the Baratza Encore ESP, but the more you cash can throw into your grinder the better, I have the BP paired with the Niche Zero at home. It terms of what coffee, I'd always go for an espresso blend as they are the most forgiving as you are learning your new skills. Have a look at the Chocolate Brownie Blend from cworks.co.uk: www.cworks.co.uk/products/milk-chocolate-blend?_pos=2&_fid=cf36496d4&_ss=c&variant=43273608364269 This is my personal favourite and the one I use inmost of my videos. Ta Kev
Kev, do you recomend a naked unpressurised portafilter for my delonghi dedica rather than the pressurised one that comes with the machine? If so, which portafilter and basket do you recommend? Ta, mate.
I have a conundrum. I have a good grinder (Baratza Vario W+) which I currently use for AeroPress. I want to get into espresso, but feel it will be a huge hassle going back and forth between the two. Should I get a second grinder, do everything with the espresso machine, or just deal with the back and forth? That last bit seems like a real pain.
I have a decent hand grinder I use with an AeroPress and recently bought an espresso machine. The grinder (JX-Pro) has a dial with numbers so going back and forth between the two settings that got dialed in isn’t a problem.
Top burr is easy, lift up the clip, give it a turn anti clockwise. Bottom burr you'll need a socket, and it's righty loosie, lefty tightie, because Australia is upside down. See: ruclips.net/video/oFs2NQLJBHs/видео.html - that's with the SGP but it's the same difference. Ta, Kev.
Thanks :-). Pretty capable actually. It depends on which machine, the Barista Express for example has the same burr set as the smart grinder pro, which I think is actually a really under rated burr set. The rest of the integrated grinder machines now use the Etzinger burrs, the M2 burr set used in the Baratza Encore ESP & Virtuoso +. The only issue with the Sage/Breville integrated grinder machines is when it comes to precisely dialling in. Especially with the Express with 18 grind settings. So pairing with a grinder with stepless adjustment for example, would allow you to more finely dial in. Ta, Kev.
Excellent video Kev. I'd appreciate your thoughts on upgrading a Sage Barista Express with a Niche Zero. I'm worried that I could spend a lot of money but not notice much improvement in the cup.
Thanks :-). To be fair, the grinder in the Barista Express is pretty good. The steps are a bit on the big side so it's not the best when it comes to making fine adjustments, you'll be able to dial in more precisely with the NZ.
Yeah, so there you have a capable grinder with a basic machine, upgrading to the DB in your case I think would be a good move. I'm sure you'll get some decent shots with the Dedica & 270, I'm fairly confident you'll get better shots & more consistent shots with the DB, and you'll have more ability to fine tune when it comes to brew temp and pre-infusion. Ta, Kev.
What’s your thoughts on hand grinders such as Made by Knock or Commadante I feel they are better for the money as you’re not paying in part for an expensive motor over quality burrs and they’ll last longer
Yeah generally speaking, you get better value for money from manual grinders as you're paying more for the burrs, less for a motor and so on. Made by Knock make some stonking grinders, I've got the Aergrind and that's a really solid grinder for the dosh. I keep meaning to get hold of a Feld, I will do soon, and then I'll do a video on them both. There are a number of really good manual grinders on the market these days for espresso. ruclips.net/video/B6ErqY78M4I/видео.html I'm not a huge manual grinder user myself though, mainly because I have wrist issues, if you saw me at 1:33 my joints are actually that old! ;-) Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev thanks I also have the original aergrind Solid performer I look forward to your review(s) Thanks for excellent content Have a good evening sir ☕️
Haha, I have a Niche zero grinder and mainly use a £6.00 plastic V60 for pour over, although I do have a Bambino plus I generally drink pour over coffee
@@RussandLoz I take it right round the dial anti clockwise through course and back to the espresso settings and start at about 18 then dial in from there.. I use the Tetsu Kasuya method 1:15 with a much coarser grind than normal, but don't be afraid to experiment and trust your taste buds! I don't use Aeropress so can't help you there.
I think one of the big driving factors here (apart from getting a "nice" machine seeming more fun & interesting than spending on a grinder) is that the overall price-ranges on the market for grinders -vs- machines places grinders at a lower price point. i.e. the cheaper end of "decent" beginner grinders is lower than the cheaper end of "decent" machines. So people who have budgets to match those price-points will just naturally end up with a cheaper grinder because their budget doesn't allow "cheaper machine + more expensive grinder" as an option: the only options available at their price point tend to be a choice between "bean to cup" or "cheaper grinder + more expensive machine".
I get what you’re saying and I think it’s valid, i think people have a minimum requirement from the machine which takes up a lot of budget, like dual boilers or PID, hence grinders being an afterthought or ‘what can I get for the rest of the budget’. I would be really interested to see the comparison at different budgets, e.g at 500 comparing a Bambino + and SK40 vs a Delonghi + Varia VS3. Or at 1500 comparing a Dual boiler and Niche Zero vs a singe boiler and a grinder with 80mm burrs and auger. Or the most extreme, at 4k comparing EG-1 and single boiler (something I don’t see often) vs a linea micra and a niche zero (something I see very often)
I've recently found your channel as I am looking to buy a proper grinder, love your content! I will add however, that I am not having that you have kids that are 21 and 22. You must have been drinking the same stuff as Patrick Strewart and William Shatner.
Doesn't the last test in your video suggest the opposite of what you're trying to show here, if both shots are nearly identical but for one of them you've used a £100 grinder? :)
100% agree. Although, I started out with a Gaggia Classic Pro and a Hario Skerton manual grinder attached to a cordless drill 😆, so I can't really talk.
There are other factors for the machine. Pressure gauge-pid-solenoid valve ect. Machine has to be first for me. It has to be a quality machine unlike these low level breville and delonghi appliances
@@stanleyderochea6505 you are right as I bought it at an appliances shop, it was together with other appliances from Gaggia, Rancilio, La Pavoni and Rocket Espresso. Next time, I’ll get something else. Any recommendations?
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100% right! Using a DF40P grinder and getting sublime shots from a $160 DeLonghi.
That's mad! You don't look a day older than 28! Great video. I was umming and ahhing for years about an all in one espresso machine and someone suggested that you are better off getting separate machines instead. I eventually paired a bambino plus with a eureka specialita. I actually 3D printed a single dose hopper and brought some bellows for the grinder so I get the same amount output.
Haha that's very kind of you, thanks!
Integrated grinder machines definitely have their pros, but if anyone tells me they're wanting an espresso machine not just as means to an end, but with the intention of really getting into home espresso as a hobby, I'd always recommend separates over integrated.
@@Coffee_Kev unless google is lying to me (which in todays age is very real) there’s no way in hell you’re 47. Imma need to see some closeups around your crows feet as there’s no way thats possible. I’ve genuinely never been so
Shocked to learn someone’s age.
All the dad humor makes sense I suppose but what? I’m convinced you’re lying lmao
I spent 50 euros on a used Dedica (70 with a bunch of extra stuff) and 210 on a brand new Smart Grinder Pro. Now that I have dialed them in, I get really good results especially for the price. I do drink specialised but still darker roast coffee though, so my setup will probably fall short when it comes to light roasts. But I never liked light roasts anyway. I like to rinse the Dedica and preheat the portafilter as much as possible before pulling a shot.
I guess I could always test it head to head against my roommate's Lelit Bianca + Mignon Libra combo but I'm afraid that's gonna hurt my pockets real bad as it will definitely make better coffee. 😁
This is absolutely spot on. I have a well loved Sage barista touch its made according to engineer stats over 4500 espressos. I replaced the burrs and it was great. I bought a rocket appartamento tca and a Faustino 3.1 and it was really good but then I decided to try the grinder with my trusty old sage and found near enough zero difference in quality of shots and did not have to faff making milk by hands as the sage just does it better than me. 😂and saves myself about £1500 quid.
The ending's so funny with the stone hitting hahaha.
Oh that poor Delonghi grinder gusher. ;) You know, I did this nearly exact thing with a Globe and Mail reporter in 2003: brewed shot with a Mazzer Mini grinder and a $175 Krups 4000 series espresso machine, and then another shot with the same coffee, using a Krups pressed burr grinder and a La Marzocco GS3 prototype machine. He had a similar reaction ;)
This concept is the exact thing I was looking for! I've been wondering for a long time. Side note: love how you're taking the piss out of the cliche RUclipsr faces in the thumbnails LOL - keep it up man, love what you're doing
Well spoken and nearly flawless video. It would have been nice to include a blind taste test to avoid bias, and to do a final comparison where you use the same "good" grinder on both machines to test if the machine had any significant impact on the shot.
would using a hand grinder allow one to save some money? like how much do you have to actually spend for entry level grinder to pull espresso that you will actually enjoy? is 50usd timemore c3esp enough? or can you get something for 100usd? or 200?
I got a Kingrinder K6 (sub$100) and I’m super happy with it. Only downside is time and effort, and especially when prepping to pull back to back shots when guests are over for example. I sometimes will use the blade grinder and pop a pressurised basket in there to save the 10 mins of grinding.
A few giveaways for what makes a solid grinder:
1. Build quality - maybe look at reviews or return it unused if something feels cheap
2. Burr size - bigger burrs grind faster. For espresso-fine grinding, that’s important because smaller burrs with hand grinding need 2 mins+. This only goes up as budget increases.
The K6 is I think one of the cheapest 48mm burrs - takes me around 40s to grind for espresso.
3. Burr size - bigger burrs also generally grind better, with less clumping / static / heat from prolonged grinding
You need to pay a lot more to get 48mm conical burrs on an electric grinder.
4. Fine adjustments: $200+ on an electric grinder gets you stepless adjustments (SD40, DF54), but K6 has a more than competent 16 microns per click. Most cheaper ones, including the Timemore I think, are 22+. 1Z has some grinders with 8-12 micron adjustments but they cost around double the K6.
5. Burr geometry - last but not least, geometry impacts taste, due to how that particle size distribution looks. Some prefer some fines to exist, like Niche Zero, vs DF64 which produces less fines and more clarity.
But this point is really difficult to identify other than speaking to owners and watching reviews that compare grinders.
Our Coffee Shelter has a great comparison of budget hand grinders talking about all of these points.
I would agree with everything you say with the caveat the coffee machine must have at least a PID or a very good level of thermal stability such as a E61 after that its diminishing returns with the machine and the grinder makes all the difference. it really also depends on what coffee you intend to drink for e.g. I have used a Eureka Mingnon Specialita for the last 3 years but have realised the Burrs are best for that traditional Italian style espresso profile, and they excel with for dark to median roasts but not for for median light and light roasts. So if you want to venture in more lighter roasts as a pure espresso drinker you will need a different grinder with burrs more suited to such roast profiles.
I use a Dedica but found a big improvement when I went from the SAGE Dose Control Pro to an iZpresso J Max hand grinder. True, the hand grinder was more expensive than the Dose Control Pro but dialling in a shot is very easy given the extremely high level of control afforded, eg moving the extraction time by 2-3 seconds with a few clicks of the grind adjustment. I feel this is important as the Dedica doesn't provide many parameters you can control eg the pre infusion time is fixed etc.
Where does that leave machines like the Sage Oracle and Barista? Are they not worth looking at due to having an integrated grinder or is the one they use actually decent?
I have a Barestia Touch machine and the espresso does not taste that good. I have been thinking about upgrading to a better grinder. I’m hoping this will help. I just have to make a decision on which grinder to get. You do not look like you gave kids in their twenties! Love this video!
Absolutely makes the difference I have a touch and made over 4500 shots with it. Best upgrade I ever did was buy a decent grinder. Went for a. Rocket Faustino 3.1 as could not get a niche zero at the time.
Im a little bit confused... Then what will be a better combo? Sage bambino plus + good gridnder or... Sage barista pro?
I agree I have a Breville Barista Pro and I bought a Eureka Mignon Facile grinder, what a difference in grind quality and flavor :)
I love this. Dumb question I just bought a barista express. I own an encore esp and a k ultra. Will the esp give me anything more than the built in grinder? I know the k ultra is a step up but will be extra effort
@Coffee_Kev would you say that buying the Bambino Plus with say the Eureka Specialita/DF64v2 would be a much better option than say Sage Dual Boiler with the Sage Grinder Pro i.e. the former would produce much better coffee than the latter?
Thanks for the video, I knew we needed a decent grinder and it was going to cost more than my machine. Had my sage Duo temp for several years and very much enjoy the workflow, with the limited number of buttons first thing in a morning being a real bonus. Well overdue to move on from buying ground coffee, mostly drink flat white with just occasional French press use, Niche zero seems to be a good fit, yes?
Bought the bambino for the purpose of working with preground. works perfectly with paper filters on the puck to get smooth coffee. Have little place and don't like a noisy grinder during the coffee experience.
you using paper filters under the puck or on top, or both? Ta, Kev.
on top. one is less bitter, two is softer coffee@@Coffee_Kev
Great video, Kev. Got a question for you. We have the Sage Barista Touch Impress coffee machine. Largely chosen due to your very informative videos 😊.
We get our beans from a local roaster and we love our set up.
My question is, which grinder would you suggest to go with our set up as we would like to have decaff beans later in the day as the wastage of beans that would happen if we kept switching from decaff to normal beans would be a lot.
Many thanks 😊
Go for a single dose grinder that would make it easier in one sense but you would have to weigh each dose.
@@mikehardcastle4618 thanks 😊
I bought a Sage Bambino Plus and a Niche Zero. I dont think you get much more entry level of an espresso machine than the SBP (which is worth using anyway). The grinder was double the price that I paid for the espresso machine and I get really tasty shots out of it. £550 is a lot of money for a coffee grinder if you're new to the world of espresso but it's the best investment I've made to my home setup.
Hia Kev after a bit of advice. My wife bought me a Dedica 685. After doing some research I'll be getting a new porta filter at the end of the month and a grinder. So, bearing in mind I'll be upgrading the system what £200 ish grinder would you recommend?
Makes sense...which leaves the question...what grinder to get ? (for a reasonable cost) I've got the stock grinder, which was included as a bundle with Dual Boiler...thinking of upgrading
Hi, Please see this post:
ruclips.net/video/AR27IbocttQ/видео.html
Ta
Kev
Would you consider 1zpresso J-Ultra a good and capable grinder? I bought it along side gaggia classic evo pro for my first setup ;)
Thanks Kev, I have the Niche Zero + Dedica combination, which has served me quite well for about 4 years. Just had to replace the Dedica OPV after a loss of pressure and looking to upgrade to a more robust machine with more controllable temperature and pressure. Still needs to be small footprint, with a shortish heat-up time, so looking at options like modded GCP, Profitec Go or Lelit Mara X. Do you have any recommendations for mainly espresso and milk drinks?
for a budget of around $200/250 what would be a decent setup for an absolute beginner?? i was about to do that, spend on a delonghi 3630 and a $30 grinder from amazon
It's given me such a headache all this coffee malarkey. Got the bambino plus, not sure what grinder to purchase or even chich coffee is best for flat whites.
Hi Justin, it depends on your budget regarding what grinder, you will need one suitable for espresso, so start with Smart Grinder Pro, or the Baratza Encore ESP, but the more you cash can throw into your grinder the better, I have the BP paired with the Niche Zero at home.
It terms of what coffee, I'd always go for an espresso blend as they are the most forgiving as you are learning your new skills.
Have a look at the Chocolate Brownie Blend from cworks.co.uk:
www.cworks.co.uk/products/milk-chocolate-blend?_pos=2&_fid=cf36496d4&_ss=c&variant=43273608364269
This is my personal favourite and the one I use inmost of my videos.
Ta
Kev
Kev, do you recomend a naked unpressurised portafilter for my delonghi dedica rather than the pressurised one that comes with the machine? If so, which portafilter and basket do you recommend? Ta, mate.
What is that handle on the Delonghi portafilter and where can I get one? It's super groovyy
Hi, have a look at the IKAPE range, they are amazing.
Ta
Kev
I have a conundrum. I have a good grinder (Baratza Vario W+) which I currently use for AeroPress. I want to get into espresso, but feel it will be a huge hassle going back and forth between the two. Should I get a second grinder, do everything with the espresso machine, or just deal with the back and forth? That last bit seems like a real pain.
I have a decent hand grinder I use with an AeroPress and recently bought an espresso machine. The grinder (JX-Pro) has a dial with numbers so going back and forth between the two settings that got dialed in isn’t a problem.
Sage dose control pro grinder, how do you take the burrs out for cleaning?
Top burr is easy, lift up the clip, give it a turn anti clockwise. Bottom burr you'll need a socket, and it's righty loosie, lefty tightie, because Australia is upside down. See: ruclips.net/video/oFs2NQLJBHs/видео.html - that's with the SGP but it's the same difference. Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev I’m doing it wrong , when I put a socket on the bottom burr it just rotates the burr
Turn it to the right, the opposite way that you would expect
Great video, thanks. So how capable is the built in grinder that comes with the Sage machines? Is it still worth buying a standalone grinder?
Thanks :-). Pretty capable actually.
It depends on which machine, the Barista Express for example has the same burr set as the smart grinder pro, which I think is actually a really under rated burr set.
The rest of the integrated grinder machines now use the Etzinger burrs, the M2 burr set used in the Baratza Encore ESP & Virtuoso +.
The only issue with the Sage/Breville integrated grinder machines is when it comes to precisely dialling in. Especially with the Express with 18 grind settings. So pairing with a grinder with stepless adjustment for example, would allow you to more finely dial in.
Ta, Kev.
Excellent video Kev. I'd appreciate your thoughts on upgrading a Sage Barista Express with a Niche Zero. I'm worried that I could spend a lot of money but not notice much improvement in the cup.
Thanks :-). To be fair, the grinder in the Barista Express is pretty good. The steps are a bit on the big side so it's not the best when it comes to making fine adjustments, you'll be able to dial in more precisely with the NZ.
@@Coffee_Kev And the NZ is as quiet as two teenagers trying NOT to get caught by their mum!
Great video , I’ve the Baratza 270 along with the dedica … do you think shifting to the sage dual boiler will make a difference? Thanks
Yeah, so there you have a capable grinder with a basic machine, upgrading to the DB in your case I think would be a good move. I'm sure you'll get some decent shots with the Dedica & 270, I'm fairly confident you'll get better shots & more consistent shots with the DB, and you'll have more ability to fine tune when it comes to brew temp and pre-infusion. Ta, Kev.
Thank you
What’s your thoughts on hand grinders such as Made by Knock or Commadante I feel they are better for the money as you’re not paying in part for an expensive motor over quality burrs and they’ll last longer
Yeah generally speaking, you get better value for money from manual grinders as you're paying more for the burrs, less for a motor and so on. Made by Knock make some stonking grinders, I've got the Aergrind and that's a really solid grinder for the dosh. I keep meaning to get hold of a Feld, I will do soon, and then I'll do a video on them both. There are a number of really good manual grinders on the market these days for espresso. ruclips.net/video/B6ErqY78M4I/видео.html
I'm not a huge manual grinder user myself though, mainly because I have wrist issues, if you saw me at 1:33 my joints are actually that old! ;-)
Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev thanks I also have the original aergrind Solid performer I look forward to your review(s) Thanks for excellent content Have a good evening sir ☕️
so which grinder for my bamby plus
Niche Zero is what I paired with mine and I get some very tasty shots
Haha, I have a Niche zero grinder and mainly use a £6.00 plastic V60 for pour over, although I do have a Bambino plus I generally drink pour over coffee
I’ve just got a Niche. What setting would you recommend for pour over? Or Aeropress?
@@RussandLoz I take it right round the dial anti clockwise through course and back to the espresso settings and start at about 18 then dial in from there.. I use the Tetsu Kasuya method 1:15 with a much coarser grind than normal, but don't be afraid to experiment and trust your taste buds!
I don't use Aeropress so can't help you there.
Probably not the best choice for pour over.
@@bluemystic7501 Your opinion. It works fine for me. I also use it for espresso and I am not buying two grinders
@@kevins2961 It's pretty well known that the Niche is solid for espresso and not great at pour over. No offense, but did you do any research?
guess I will be getting that 4k grinder after all
I think one of the big driving factors here (apart from getting a "nice" machine seeming more fun & interesting than spending on a grinder) is that the overall price-ranges on the market for grinders -vs- machines places grinders at a lower price point.
i.e. the cheaper end of "decent" beginner grinders is lower than the cheaper end of "decent" machines. So people who have budgets to match those price-points will just naturally end up with a cheaper grinder because their budget doesn't allow "cheaper machine + more expensive grinder" as an option: the only options available at their price point tend to be a choice between "bean to cup" or "cheaper grinder + more expensive machine".
I get what you’re saying and I think it’s valid, i think people have a minimum requirement from the machine which takes up a lot of budget, like dual boilers or PID, hence grinders being an afterthought or ‘what can I get for the rest of the budget’.
I would be really interested to see the comparison at different budgets, e.g at 500 comparing a Bambino + and SK40 vs a Delonghi + Varia VS3. Or at 1500 comparing a Dual boiler and Niche Zero vs a singe boiler and a grinder with 80mm burrs and auger. Or the most extreme, at 4k comparing EG-1 and single boiler (something I don’t see often) vs a linea micra and a niche zero (something I see very often)
I've recently found your channel as I am looking to buy a proper grinder, love your content! I will add however, that I am not having that you have kids that are 21 and 22. You must have been drinking the same stuff as Patrick Strewart and William Shatner.
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Doesn't the last test in your video suggest the opposite of what you're trying to show here, if both shots are nearly identical but for one of them you've used a £100 grinder? :)
Better a top quality grinder and an Aeropress than a cheapo grinder and a pricey machine.
100% agree. Although, I started out with a Gaggia Classic Pro and a Hario Skerton manual grinder attached to a cordless drill 😆, so I can't really talk.
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There are other factors for the machine. Pressure gauge-pid-solenoid valve ect. Machine has to be first for me. It has to be a quality machine unlike these low level breville and delonghi appliances
There are, for sure, but none of them can make amazing espresso without a capable grinder.
Breville Dual Boiler has pressure gauge, PID, solenoid valve, shot by time or volume and actually three boilers: water, steam and group
@@sjazzp I'm not a fan of breville. They are appliances and not Machines
@@stanleyderochea6505 you are right as I bought it at an appliances shop, it was together with other appliances from Gaggia, Rancilio, La Pavoni and Rocket Espresso. Next time, I’ll get something else. Any recommendations?
@sjazzp lol. It was together with them for 1 simple reason. I'm sure you know why, But I'm not sure why you care so much about my opinion on breville
WDT in 2024 ?!?
Personally, I will spend most of my money on quality beans and reasonable budget on midrange gears
I'm talking about machine budget, but yeah quality beans are a must of course.
Scoot off, you had kids when you were 5?
Hahahaha, thanks! 😎 The secret is having the camera a good ten feet away from me, if we had it closer you'd see the old fart I actually am 😄