Greetings from Switzerland! Here the Helvetia 20 Franc is affectionately called the "Vreneli", something like "Little Verena" as Verena was the first name of the lady who modeled for the image. Except for some rare years that carry a hefty collector's premium, random years are relatively cheap compared to modern fractional coins that tend to carry high premiums. Needless to say, Vreneli's and equally plentiful French 20 Franc "Roosters" are the staple of my modest gold stack.
I have 1oz maple coins and other modern gold coins as well as bullion However, I'm going gold Swiss Francs, Italian Lira, and Austrian Ducats or plain old bullion for the cheapest gold content ...gold is gold....God's gold! We just put the stamp on it Done with buffalos, Maples, Phil's.....I stay away from AGE because they are ridiculously priced.
@@SilverDragons47 Calling this coin "Helvetia" is simply incorrect. It's a "Vreneli," even if that's hard to pronounce in English. There is a Helvetia gold coin, but that was the predecessor of the "Vreneli."
I just bought a Swiss Helvetia twenty frank gold coin on ebay, I should get in in about a week. I'm super excited! The Swiss miss gold coin wow and so affordable. I didn't have to wait months to save up for it, I happened to have the money now so I went ahead and bought it. Hopefully it will be the first of many in a collection.
We as Silver Stackers are a very diverse group!! I think that is one of the best parts!!!! Just as in life itself. Diversity is key!! How boring would it be if every single person was the same!! Same color, weight, height, and thought process! A horrible existence!! So we are a very Diverse group!!
I almost picked up a few of these until i found out that no LCS will actually buy these back. Lots of stories regarding these being very hard to sell back if the time arises
Fascinating! On a separate note, my Vreneli coin has a somewhat light “copper” tint to it as compared to yours, which looks more yellow. Perhaps due to the mint and year of production. Love the design anyway! :)
Lately under and over spot changes a greatly, on a near daily bases. I was looking at buying some platinum on the day the metals fell so much, but I found out it is harder to find at the big retailers and they were charging WAY OVER spot. Some of the cheaper items on eBay were a little sketchy to me. Ended up not getting any.
Wonderful coin piece, one of my favorite. My all time favorite ones are the 1 ducat and 20 crown of Austria, gorgeous coins with the double headed eagle. The ducats from 1915 are all re-strikes, before that date they are circulated. Love your video man, greetings from Albania.
I love your videos and input on this wonderful hobby and retirement plan supplement. But dude, what's up with the silver stacking gang signs that you do with your hands. Lol. Are they supposed to replicate the Dragon logo? Keep up the good work my friend. I'll keep watching even with the hand spasms. Hahahahaha
Greets from Germany. That is NOT a "Helvetia"! It is called a "Vreneli"! Vreneli's replaced the "Helvetia" in 1897!! "Helvetia's" were minted from 1883 thru 1896. "Vreneli's" 20 Franc gold have been minted from 1897 up until Today with Dates missing in between. From 1911 thru 1922 the 10 franc "Vreneli" was introduced. 5000 examples of the 100 franc Vreneli were minted in 1925. First of All, "Helvetia" is the Latin Name for Switzerland. The Old Swiss Confederacy of the early modern period was often called Helvetia or Republica Helvetiorum ("Republic of the Helvetians") in learned humanist Latin The Latin name is ultimately derived from the name of the Helvetii, the Gaulish tribe living on the Swiss plateau in the Roman era. The allegory Helvetia makes her appearance in 1672. The official Latin name Confoederatio Helvetica was introduced gradually after the formation of the federal state in 1848. It appears on coins of the Swiss franc from 1879, and was inscribed on the Federal Palace in 1902. It was used in the official seal from 1948. The abbreviation CH was first introduced in 1909, as international vehicle registration code. So now you see that the first 20 Franc Gold Coin from "Helvetia" - Switzerland was called the Helvetia, minted from 1883 thru 1896! In 1897 the "Vreneli" replaced the "Helvetia". 1897 was a Transition Year for the Swiss 20 Franc Gold Coin. In 1911 thru 1922 the 10 Franc "Vreneli" was introduced. In 1925 a 100 Franc Gold "Vreneli" was minted in a total of 5000 pieces, so finding one might mean needing to sell your Family! 😁 I hope this has cleared up the Fact that "Vreneli's" are NOT "Helvetia's"! 🤨
Those particular coins aren't legal tender anymore. And they were used as currency. The only real key date is either 1926 or 1927. I can't recall which.
Hi Silver dragons i have 2 x 1935 Vrenelis as well as a load of silver swiss 5 franc coins which i am considering selling as i wish to place the money into my other hobby which is watches.. any suggestions on best place to advertise ?
Try 10 or 20 Corona Austro-Hungarian coin. Along with French and Swiss franks, they are most usual historical gold coins here. Common years are always sold at gold spot prices and Austrian Mint is still making other A-H coins as bullions. You probably know this, just saying, because I consider Philharmonikers ugly as hell, including gold version.
Just think: Exactly two years ago, Gold was at 1,635.00 an Ounce. Fast forward to today (4-12-22) and the cost of a Gold Helvetia to buy is almost at the 400.00 mark. Help!
Too bad e-bay did away with their e-bucks program nearly 2 years ago. Are you saying that you got the coin under spot because of your e-bucks discount? If not then you really need to tell me how?
I can see why you might be adding some Gold to your stack, with the G/S ratio being almost 95 to 1. WOW! This has got to be some kind of screw-up. Might have something to do with the “Markets” turmoil, and investors moving into Gold from stocks. I’m not sure if I’m pulling for Silver Spot to drop to $12 per ounce, or blast off to $45 an ounce?? Only interested in buying if spot stays below $18.
BTW... Saying "bullion coins" is a redundant term and a term which is a conflict in terms. Some definitions of bullion state it to be UNCOINED metals (like an ingot). So one can't have an uncoined coin. Second, calling it a bullion coin is redundant. The essence of bullion is metal valued by 1) weight 2) purity of the metal. Coins may also have these attributes if made of silver, gold, pt, or copper,but coins also have the official fiat declared value (please exclude numismatic value). Here's the issue... when one describes a gold or silver coin.....we already know weight and purity of the gold/silver coin speaks to the value of the coin. We don't need to reconfirm these obvious value points. Bullion differs from gold/silver coins via the fiat stamp (past or current) declaration
O/T, but what kind or kinds of silver would you recommend a new stacker with $150-$200 buy? I have some silver as gifts, but I've never bought any before. Thank you.
@@SilverDragons47 Thank you! To get the best price online, most places want you to pay with a bank wire or a check, which is a little intimidating when you have never bought something online like that. Could you make a video about paying for silver and what that process all entails?
i really like them, but am detered because neither the weight, nor purity is marked. so, even with a scale, the potential buyer would have to already know they're 90%, or take your word for it.
Greetings from Switzerland! Here the Helvetia 20 Franc is affectionately called the "Vreneli", something like "Little Verena" as Verena was the first name of the lady who modeled for the image. Except for some rare years that carry a hefty collector's premium, random years are relatively cheap compared to modern fractional coins that tend to carry high premiums. Needless to say, Vreneli's and equally plentiful French 20 Franc "Roosters" are the staple of my modest gold stack.
Rob Endert very cool and thanks for the info my friend! 🔥🐉
I have 1oz maple coins and other modern gold coins as well as bullion
However, I'm going gold Swiss Francs, Italian Lira, and Austrian Ducats or plain old bullion for the cheapest gold content ...gold is gold....God's gold! We just put the stamp on it
Done with buffalos, Maples, Phil's.....I stay away from AGE because they are ridiculously priced.
@@SilverDragons47 Calling this coin "Helvetia" is simply incorrect. It's a "Vreneli," even if that's hard to pronounce in English. There is a Helvetia gold coin, but that was the predecessor of the "Vreneli."
That is a great coin and good for stacking. Many Swiss grandmothers have a small handful of those coins in their underwear drawer for emergencies.
I just bought a Swiss Helvetia twenty frank gold coin on ebay, I should get in in about a week. I'm super excited! The Swiss miss gold coin wow and so affordable. I didn't have to wait months to save up for it, I happened to have the money now so I went ahead and bought it. Hopefully it will be the first of many in a collection.
Ahhh, the unboxing👏😍even though I usually know what's coming...it still kinda feels like opening a birthday present😄
Aimee Osmulski lol it is super fun I know 😁🔥🐉
We as Silver Stackers are a very diverse group!! I think that is one of the best parts!!!! Just as in life itself. Diversity is key!! How boring would it be if every single person was the same!! Same color, weight, height, and thought process! A horrible existence!!
So we are a very Diverse group!!
Jason Reeves we are diverse for sure! 🔥🐉
I almost picked up a few of these until i found out that no LCS will actually buy these back. Lots of stories regarding these being very hard to sell back if the time arises
awesome! such a cool coin. alot of the franc coins are awesome
pot of jam yes these are awesome for sure! 🔥🐉
WOW over 100 years old !!! Both gold coins are SUPER COOL . Sounds like a awesome investment & Thanks for all the info .
Silver Cajun Metals oh yeah these are so much fun!!! 🔥🐉
Fascinating! On a separate note, my Vreneli coin has a somewhat light “copper” tint to it as compared to yours, which looks more yellow. Perhaps due to the mint and year of production. Love the design anyway! :)
Definitely like the 20 Francs have several! Congrats
PART TIME PREPPERS oh yeah they are so cool for sure!!! 🔥🐉
Lately under and over spot changes a greatly, on a near daily bases. I was looking at buying some platinum on the day the metals fell so much, but I found out it is harder to find at the big retailers and they were charging WAY OVER spot. Some of the cheaper items on eBay were a little sketchy to me. Ended up not getting any.
Steve Woods this was a big dealer but off ebay 🤷🏽♂️ you gotta wait for a good deal for sure... when I saw this one I jumped on it 🔥🐉
A couple of gorgeous coins there.
Silver Gopher oh you know it!!! 🔥🐉
Great second pickup 👍👍
Floyd Baldwin thanks so much my friend! 🔥🐉
Wonderful coin piece, one of my favorite. My all time favorite ones are the 1 ducat and 20 crown of Austria, gorgeous coins with the double headed eagle. The ducats from 1915 are all re-strikes, before that date they are circulated. Love your video man, greetings from Albania.
Arber Cami yeah that bicephalous eagle is cool! the germania mint has it on their silver 🔥🐉
Wow! Anytime you get gold under spot is a very good day and score. Nicely done. Thumbs up.
Silver Steeler you know it and thanks!!! 🔥🐉
Nice coins! I love all the 20 francs, lire, drachmas, swiss francs, etc.
Atomic Wealth all great for sure!! 🔥🐉
Very nice addition!!! One of my favorites personally 👍💪🇨🇭
Nice! Next on my list is the 20 franc angel.
SilverChickadee can you get 2 and send me one? thanks 😂🔥🐉
Nice history and nice score, neighbor! - Joey From Seattle
Joe Costello thanks a bunch and yes I love these!!! 🔥🐉
Love the Vreneli... Check out the 4 ducat Franz Joseph. You will love this huge but extremly thin coin.
And check out the 1000 Schilling Babenberger.
Love the "Liberty Coin - Special Price - EBux" under spot deals
point999 Zombie oh yeah under spot is a dream come true 😂🔥🐉
Did you say the capsule is 21 MM? I thought the vreneli is 21.5 mm.
Those are beautiful coins!
Melissa Curtis yes they really are for sure!!! 🔥🐉
I love your videos and input on this wonderful hobby and retirement plan supplement. But dude, what's up with the silver stacking gang signs that you do with your hands. Lol. Are they supposed to replicate the Dragon logo? Keep up the good work my friend. I'll keep watching even with the hand spasms. Hahahahaha
Morris gray lol been doing it for years 🤷🏽♂️🔥🐉
Greets from Germany. That is NOT a "Helvetia"! It is called a "Vreneli"! Vreneli's replaced the "Helvetia" in 1897!! "Helvetia's" were minted from 1883 thru 1896. "Vreneli's" 20 Franc gold have been minted from 1897 up until Today with Dates missing in between. From 1911 thru 1922 the 10 franc "Vreneli" was introduced. 5000 examples of the 100 franc Vreneli were minted in 1925. First of All, "Helvetia" is the Latin Name for Switzerland. The Old Swiss Confederacy of the early modern period was often called Helvetia or Republica Helvetiorum ("Republic of the Helvetians") in learned humanist Latin The Latin name is ultimately derived from the name of the Helvetii, the Gaulish tribe living on the Swiss plateau in the Roman era. The allegory Helvetia makes her appearance in 1672.
The official Latin name Confoederatio Helvetica was introduced gradually after the formation of the federal state in 1848. It appears on coins of the Swiss franc from 1879, and was inscribed on the Federal Palace in 1902. It was used in the official seal from 1948. The abbreviation CH was first introduced in 1909, as international vehicle registration code.
So now you see that the first 20 Franc Gold Coin from "Helvetia" - Switzerland was called the Helvetia, minted from 1883 thru 1896!
In 1897 the "Vreneli" replaced the "Helvetia". 1897 was a Transition Year for the Swiss 20 Franc Gold Coin.
In 1911 thru 1922 the 10 Franc "Vreneli" was introduced. In 1925 a 100 Franc Gold "Vreneli" was minted in a total of 5000 pieces, so finding one might mean needing to sell your Family! 😁
I hope this has cleared up the Fact that "Vreneli's" are NOT "Helvetia's"! 🤨
Those particular coins aren't legal tender anymore. And they were used as currency. The only real key date is either 1926 or 1927. I can't recall which.
1926 is the key year, with a mintage of 50,000 coins
Paul dd nice! 🔥🐉
Hi Silver dragons i have 2 x 1935 Vrenelis as well as a load of silver swiss 5 franc coins which i am considering selling as i wish to place the money into my other hobby which is watches.. any suggestions on best place to advertise ?
Nice pickup Dragons! One of my favorite gold pieces to buy 🤘
Guido Stackin thanks Guido and yes she is beautiful!!! 🔥🐉
The French 20 Franc coin has the exact same amount of gold in it as the Swiss one?
Yes
Try 10 or 20 Corona Austro-Hungarian coin. Along with French and Swiss franks, they are most usual historical gold coins here. Common years are always sold at gold spot prices and Austrian Mint is still making other A-H coins as bullions. You probably know this, just saying, because I consider Philharmonikers ugly as hell, including gold version.
FalconRS lol I don’t mind the phils 😏 good tip though! 🔥🐉
Hi great video 👍👍,I have one of them of 1933 ,I really can not find nothing in internet about that....
Nice! I have like three of those!🔥🔥🔥 I absolutely love them.
Fiat Destroyer they are super stunning for sure!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🐉
I just started buying these.
Are all years the same gold ratio?
congrats on getting more gold!!!
Steve Woods thanks Steve!!! 🔥🐉
The coin is called Goldvreneli 😊
Just think: Exactly two years ago, Gold was at 1,635.00 an Ounce. Fast forward to today (4-12-22) and the cost of a Gold Helvetia to buy is almost at the 400.00 mark. Help!
Nice coin😍😍
DNV coins thanks so much my friend! 🔥🐉
I am happy to inform you that this one is NOT a restrike!🔥🔥🔥
Fiat Destroyer WOOHOO!!!! OG!!!! 😁🔥🐉
wow real cool very sweet
Kevin Hubbard thanks so much my friend! 🔥🐉
Too bad e-bay did away with their e-bucks program nearly 2 years ago. Are you saying that you got the coin under spot because of your e-bucks discount? If not then you really need to tell me how?
I can see why you might be adding some Gold to your stack, with the G/S ratio being almost 95 to 1. WOW! This has got to be some kind of screw-up. Might have something to do with the “Markets” turmoil, and investors moving into Gold from stocks. I’m not sure if I’m pulling for Silver Spot to drop to $12 per ounce, or blast off to $45 an ounce?? Only interested in buying if spot stays below $18.
Victor Frankenstein yeah I picked up a lot more gold recently as well 😂🔥🐉
BTW...
Saying "bullion coins" is a redundant term and a term which is a conflict in terms.
Some definitions of bullion state it to be UNCOINED metals (like an ingot). So one can't have an uncoined coin.
Second, calling it a bullion coin is redundant. The essence of bullion is metal valued by 1) weight 2) purity of the metal. Coins may also have these attributes if made of silver, gold, pt, or copper,but coins also have the official fiat declared value (please exclude numismatic value).
Here's the issue... when one describes a gold or silver coin.....we already know weight and purity of the gold/silver coin speaks to the value of the coin. We don't need to reconfirm these obvious value points.
Bullion differs from gold/silver coins via the fiat stamp (past or current) declaration
What a Nice coin, its not easy to get a coin at that condition for that price.
JACOB1556 I know I got a smokin deal!!! 🔥🐉
Dude. I saw corona virus on the coin. You better send it to me.
Soon you will have to disinfect all your modern coins.
Normal_ Norm 😂😂😂 nice try 🔥🐉
I’ve got a rooster on order. 👌
Milled Steel I want one so bad! 😂 you wanna trade for it?
Nice pick up! I love the 20 francs all over Europe. I have some from Spain (20 peseta), Italy (20 lire), Turkey, Austria, Netherlands.. Great coin!
also, I've never seen a fake before!
Michael Silverman yes these can be great for collecting for sure!!! 🔥🐉
I like that size capsule. What size is it?
Eli 21mm 👍🏽🔥🐉
Vreneli ❤
O/T, but what kind or kinds of silver would you recommend a new stacker with $150-$200
buy? I have some silver as gifts, but I've never bought any before. Thank you.
Definitely get a spot deal from one of the big online bullion companies, you get 10oz of silver at spot, so today around $173, can’t go wrong
OS I always recommend 1 ounce generic silver rounds, ASE, or junk! 🔥🐉
@@SilverDragons47 Thank you!
To get the best price online, most places
want you to pay with a bank wire or a check, which is a little intimidating when you have never bought something online like that. Could you make a video about
paying for silver and what that process all entails?
OS good idea! 🔥🐉
I have 2 of them 1927 and 1935
Nice coin ... with that beautiful 4K we could steal your fingerprints for nefarious purposes! I kid I kid!
Jay Kiser lol yes just look at peoples hands and boom you got their finger prints 😂🔥🐉
You got a capsule but handle it anyway. Makes sense 🤔.
Stacking Stormtrooper I said that is makes the coin easier to handle and harder to lose... these are 90% bro lol 🔥🐉
Silver Dragons I know what they are. And I know what YOU are....a barehander masquerading as a glove encapsulater.... can’t fool me.
C’mon guys! Everyone knows cardboard flips are the way to go! Cheap, compact, and easy access to admire coins on occasion!
Another 3/16 of a oz for the pile. 👍
Dont ask oh yeah!! keeps on growing!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🐉
How much
i really like them, but am detered because neither the weight, nor purity is marked. so, even with a scale, the potential buyer would have to already know they're 90%, or take your word for it.
CaninesBestFriend right not great in SHTF but good for stacking 🔥🐉
lovely ;)
Johnny Björkdahl thanks so much my friend! 🔥🐉
I have that one.. i want to sell it helvetia 1930.
Thus coin i have
First!
Moon Dogg you know it! 🔥🐉
Moon dog spot or rex?