20 Swiss Franc Helvetia: How to tell restrike vs original
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Reviewing the 20 Swiss Franc Helvetia
Explaining how to tell whether it is a restrike or an original
If the coin has "L" to the left of the date and "B" to the right of the date, it is a restrike.
If the date only has a "B" it is an original
Hey man, great stuff. I learned I have an original today 1927. Thanks for posting.
Thank you 👍
Nice video with important and helpful information ❗
Since the devaluation decision of 1936, based on emergency law, did not provide for a fixed gold parity, in contrast to the Coinage Act of 1931, these coins were given the year "1935" to indicate that they had the fineness required by the Coinage Act. It was also hoped that this would avoid speculation about the origin of the gold. In order to be able to distinguish these pieces from those minted in 1935 and to underline the character of the merchandise, the letter "L" (lingot = bullion) was placed in front of the year "1935". Until the beginning of 1947, only gold bars that had been in the possession of the Swiss National Bank before 1939 were used for minting. In the spring of 1947 the pre-war stocks were exhausted. The Swiss National Bank therefore allowed post-war gold, e.g. from Russian stocks. A total of 20,008,813 20-Franc Coins were minted with the year "L 1935", of which 3.5 million in 1945, 7,108,813 in 1946 and 9.4 million in early 1947. Greetings from Switzerland and thanks for the Video :)
Thanks for the extra info!
That's some nice burlap you have there. Where did it come from?
Cool. That made the decision for me, thank! A local antique dealer has both 1935 LB and 1947 B at nice prices (spot + a few %) and they both appear to look great. Think the 1947 is the one to get then - not that any has or will gain numismatic value in the nearer future but still...
Good info thank you!! 👍
Great content. Are you still stacking 20 franc gold? Thanks
definitely, been picking up helvetia's, with a focus on those originals. Its a nice coin, very little over spot usually
Hi good evening great video ,I have this coin to 20 fr Gold 1933.i can't no find anything about this coin in internet..any idea about ?thanks for any help
Is it a "B" or "L B" ? im not familiar with any 20 franc Helvetia originals ever being minted in 1933. If it has L B, then maybe they restruck it, but it usually restrikes have the 1935 date. You probably need to get it checked out as a potential fake...
I gather restrike is not valuable above the price of gold ... what would the premium be for a non restrike 1935 or 1947. Thanks for your opinion
I have a 1949 20 FR that is original, and exhibits Tripling on obverse and reverse.
Is this common for these coins to show tripling?
Neat! I think that’s a rare thing , haven’t seen any myself like that.
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Thank you for your response, i will be contacting NGC to see if i can get it attributed.
Thank you for your video my friend, if your interested in pictures i will send them to you via Gmail.
@@scottholliday9308 Sorry for the delay. doctordragonkick@gmail.com ttys
I have a 1980. We’re they made in 1980?
sorry nope, not these ones. 1898-1914
@@drdragonkick5251 false alarm. bad eye sight. It is a 1930 😁. Thank you for responding so quick! I will sub and like
amazing gold coins
These coins are 'Goldvreneli', not 'Helvetia', even though Helvetia is written on them. There are in fact 'Helvetia' coins too, they were minted from 1883 to 1896 and have a different design. and one more additional information to what you already mentioned about the coins from 1935 with the L-mintmark: they were minted in 1945, 1946 and 1947
Thanks for the comment. I can see the case you make, although pcgs includes the 1883-96 as Helvetia too. The word ‘Helvetica’ like the font is written on those 83-96 coins. For these post 1896 the word Vreneli is the affectionate diminutive form of the common female name verena.. she’s like the consecrated virgin of Switzerland-like our US lady liberty. Anyhow, tomato tomat0
Mine doesn't have F. Landry on the front. What does that mean?
Fritz Ulisse Landry, the man who came up with the design.
I have an original does it have a price?
Very cool, for that you'd probably want to look on ebay for recent sold/completed listings. Of course condition needs to be considered too when doing comparisons. kr
Very helpful. Thanks
I just got an original 1918 from Apmex in great condition and it seems to have a little bit of silvery tone to it. i wonder if it's kind of rarer maybe.
Oh that's cool! Maybe it has some byproducts like silver or palladium or some platinum in there...not really sure, hopefully its not silver with a gold coat, but that is a pretty reputable dealer.
The original strikes, for most if not all years, were 'pickled' in acid briefly. This pickling would dissolve the copper alloyed with the gold (the coin was struck on 90% gold blanks) which would eave the surface of the coin with ammore pure god color versus the reddish color of 90% gold/10% copper.
@@Rbhjr1 interesting, thanks for the info!
wow super nice coin❤❤❤
Found my first one about a month ago!
You checked the 49 to see if its original. you can only get a 1949 original. When would the 49 restrike take place if they stopped in 49? :p i enjoyed this vid. I didnt know abt the L
Valid observation as that makes sense for that year lol. From what I've researched, they made many restrikes in 1949, but I interpret this as they would likely have marked an earlier date on it like the 1935 with the LB, but i'm not 100% positive they didnt/wont mint more after 49..
I bought a 1927 “B” Helvetia but in a pendant Im going to have it appraised
That’s cool, Wonder if they made it into jewelry to avoid the confiscation in the 30s?
@@drdragonkick5251 Switzerland never had a gold ban.
Just got my 1935 but it is a re strike. Beautiful coin still...
Congrats!
Its not a restrike .. how can it be a restrike when its before 1949 (original). Restrikskes are always after the whole production. In this case it would bei in the 1950's or seomthing like that.. the l 1935B were produced after WW2. They used gold bars from WW2 that L says it. After the gold bars were alle used they continued with production without L
Not sure exactly which you are referring to, but per the video the only restrike was the 1935 L B shown. Restrikes are struck from original dies at a later year. The whole production of the 1935 coin had passed before that coin was made and yes could have been in the 50s and struck with a retroactive date.
I think I met you in call of duty mw2 it's the same name as your RUclips
i just got one from apmex but cant tell the difference between that and copper to save my life
Yeah sometimes they are rosey, esp restrike. You Might have to Weigh it ..
@@drdragonkick5251 oh so no need to panic thanks friend i was worried
Mine is a 1947 and it's original
Same with mine. Also mine is graded PCGS MS64.
it is not a restriction, both are originals.
Only the 1935 has the L.