Bro, please at least change your thumbnail to at least just NIJI not EN.. (it wont take too much time I'm sure) Share Michi clip all you want but respect the ID branch bro..
Dude, this video is getting traction, please fix that thumbnail she was never EN, she was from ID, though I don’t know if it was as bad as EN, it was still different management to my understanding
@@sportballotaku2139A little bit, the Vtubers they have from other past agencies, most if not all, left in good terms with said agency. The ones that were from Kurosanji were who needed to heal. And a Sanji graduates a whole lot more than anyone else, so if anything, its that Sanji floods the market with it, so VShoujo just have to take it
This is unacceptably similar to those videos you see of pet owners showing of their wonderful dogs that start with "They were rescued from an abusive home..."
Actually, a better example is a Zoo animal trying to return to nature... The amount of trauma that Zoo animals go through is about par for the course for Nijisanji
Or an abused dog being shown love. A friend of mine has one of those. The dog shoves a bunch of food into his mouth before eating it in a corner, because he was constantly fighting other dogs for food.
Matara said similar when she started, but more on the fact of how shocking it was that with Vshojo, when she says to the managers that she wants to do something, they're all instantly on-board, asking if she needs art, music, etc, and it just took her by complete surprise compared to what she was used to. It says a hell of a lot about Niji that managers actually supporting their talents feels bizarre to her.
I think Nijisanji and VShojo are the two opposite sides of the spectrum. Nijisanji is like the old music label boss. A VShojo manager is more like an agent in entertainment or a lawyer or accountant, who you pay to do things for you.
Again, its good to see that they have really taken the manager role seriously after their slip ups in the past. Seeing any kind of company or organization ACTUALLY LEARN FROM MISTAKES is a rarity these days.
@@autohmae I'd take it a step further and classify VShojo as a band. The members basically own the company, and they employ the management wing. It's a little more centralized than various talents employing the same agent.
"We can make up some rules, just to ease you in." It shines a grim light on her previous environment when her manager could decipher that the correct play here was, in fact, de-facto *exposure therapy*.
Its like dating a girl and shes saying "No, this is wrong, you are being too nice, what do you want?" Turns out, when you date someone who previous partners abused and cheated, they wont know how to take kindness. It took me 3 years to de-program her. Then she dumped and started dating another abuser... FML
@@Pherim_What's even the mental process behind that?? I can't imagine a good reason for dumping someone who's not just a passionate aide in life as well as a voluntary, FOC rehab center
Less so exposure therapy more like weaning them out of a bad environment, just like you can't give someone who's starving themselves a massive meal. Gotta wind them up to normal meals. Same shit with Michis rules
I remember when Niji was "where the cool kids are" and Vshojo was this "who? idk maybe they'll stay around for a year or something". Oh how things change.
well compared with what they can say vs holo they do, but holo treats their employees a little better. Phase Connect Idol or Vshojo are better though in terms of almost everything. Vshojo has clique like Niji and you won't enter if not already hugely succesful and friend with people inside. Phase and Idol are less famous so getting known is harder, the initial fanbase and growth will be less. All of those three have less experience and contacts in terms of 3d concerts and such but if you are not a singing artist getting into holo, does not seem worth cause you will be very restrained in eveything else you can do and in niji, nowadays, it does not make sense to try to enter unless extremely desperate.
@@webaazul2500VShojo membes have always been bigger than NijiEN and only the Luxiem boys could be compared in size to the likes of Mouse, Vei, Silver, Zen, Nyanners and Melody.
I actually like the creativity of the staff to implement rules without consequences just to maintain a sense of structure. Not every transition gotta be a shock therapy session.
Just have to pray that the staff learned their lesson after what happened with both the Nux Taku drama and the insane amount of abuse Silvervale went through, they had basically no protection for their members.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 Frankly if Vshojo had real rules then the Nux Taku drama would have never blown out of proportion. Responding to Nux publicly and without waiting for a proper debrief was a huge part of the problem.
@@afelias It was just a shitshow that toxic people still bring up to this day. All parties were operating with fragments of info and a ton of incorrect assumptions, leading to escalations between parties that were really all on the same side.
@@uselessprotaganist7444 It was a drama that no one won. EVERYONE lost something from that drama, and it's why there isn't a public apology video, as such a video would imply that someone "Won" the drama. Even if everyone posted it at the same time, most would only see one of those videos and formulate their entire opinion on that video alone. It's why they settled everything behind closed doors and don't talk about it as there's nothing to gain from making it public, it would only just paint targets on everyone.
Michi like "hello i don't have any rules to break how can i rebel?" And Gunrun just is like "okay umm... Breathing is not allowed, now you're permanently rebelling have a good day"
Its more like: "Well, our policy is not break TOS of the platform you stream on... and don't you ever, not in a millisecond, not even in a slightest thought that ran through your mind, don't you ever trust Zen."
Niji seems to have an idea of what vtubers are, and try to force them to fit into that mold. Vshojo recognizes that vtubers are creative people and want them to run with that.
@@TheCreepyLanternLets be Honest, Sakana is just looking at Vtubers and saying "You know what, i've never seen someone like you, you are wierd. Hired"
Today's Niji is similar to early days' Holo. The difference is that Holo saw that they were being shackled by that mindset, and are getting better every year
@@Pherim_So fking true He didn't choose them because they're sad, he chose them because they somehow barely passed the "mental rehab test" in his nearest asylum Some are more mentally reformed than others, but you'll always have moments of "Just why?" with most of them
@@Pherim_on the contrary, while it had vulnerabilities they were on the right track with that mindset. After the copyright scare they overcorrected and resulted in some very dumb moments like no outside collabs, no charities, banning Coco for 3 weeks, etc. They've slowly gotten much better overtime in both restriction and managerial support, but small stupid shit like no gloveless hands and no casual product namedrops continue to linger.
Michi: Can I do this? Vshojo:Yes. Michi:And this? Vshojo:yup Michi:but what about- Vshojo:We don't care. Michi:But what if i- Vshojo: WE DON'T FREAKING CARE.
I don't really believe that they're that nonchalant, but more like they have the experience capability and resources to seamlessly and effortlessly deal with the aftermath of anything that the talents throw at them.
@@plumber1337 part of that is the talents are more willing to hold themselves accountable because they know their carreer isnt over, and that Vshojo is capable of damage control without slandering them or bullying them into complacency.
And in doing so, _VShojo_ makes very good money. Shocker! 😯 Seriously, the financial sector has become so brain-dead with the hyperfocus on maximum short-term gains that good business practices, with an emphasis on thinking well beyond the next 4 months, now seem like a novelty.
@@spk1121Some people like to step on other people’s heads on their way to upward social mobility. It’s not surprising that some companies are doing little to improve their corporate culture just because they’re obsessed over numbers.
It's gotta be weird going from a company that's so restrictive about what you're "allowed to do" online while also being infinitely supportive of your projects and creativity, it's gotta be like going from prison to living as a millionaire
More akin to going from a slave plantation to being free, you went from earning money for people that hate you to earning money for yourself on your own time.
They still make a lot of money at Nijisanji rather often. I mean Doki made over 200k! She simply spent all of it on her projects. Of course that doesn't excuse anything. Especially the lack of support and sabotage are brutal.
@@ThePandafriendNijisanji is literally the most incompetent company ever created. Literally they are just trying to mistreat anyone who joins it. But guess what? Vshojo has a huge advantage and a lot more pros than cons compared to nijisanji. Hence why we have doki/Selen there and more ex nijisanji livers here as well. We welcome them with open arms. Nijisanji does not. Edit: I was meaning to correct myself here with doki. She is indie and she’s not apart of Vshojo. My fault guys.
@@darklord1366 No, they are not the most incompetent company. They are mistreating their employees, no doubt about that, and they show quite some incompetence, but at the end of the day they are still a highly profitable company. You don't get into such a position by being incompetent.
@@ThePandafriend Yeah except Doki made that 200k, NOT Nijisanji, if anything she earned money in spite of Nijisanji. We already know the talents have to do everything themselves including paying for new models, their gear, their intros, their outros, events they have planned, appearances at conventions, concerts, blah blah blah. The only thing Niji did is give them a brand name to work under and the base 2d character model/design.
legit sounds like when you adopt a abused dog, and you have to do things you wouldn't do ever just to make it feel more confortable. kurosanji really is a goddamn hellhole.
This is what I was thinking. It's been awhile since we've really gone all out and rescued multiple dogs in a year, but are most recent is another one, and she came from not a great place. Everything over having her has been trying to ease her into things, getting surprised at some normal things that terrify her, and basically just enjoying petting her and covering her up in a blanket because she rolls around like a pig and mud and it's quite obvious that being inside where it's warm, and having actual comfort, are new things to her. And of course, we will provide. Hearing about the shock going from one company to another, that's exactly what it reminded me of.
@@JuanitaGalimba No, it's similar just not as bad and badly managed as EN. The most popular goldenchilds are treated well, the other dozens are practically given similar EN treatment/neglect.
@@Earliersphere As an example Rosemi is now taking time off to sort out her mental. She also didn't stream for the two weeks after Selen's termination, she claimed it was because she was sick, but Petra also didn't stream either. I am pretty sure her stress levels are through the roof. Hopefully Matara is talking to her behind the scenes
If I got a nickel each time I heard the same speech coming from a new Vshoujo members' early stream, I would have three nickels. Which is not a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice. And there is one thing they all had in common.
tbh yeah, I dont really watch Vshojo's content that much, but I am happy for the talents there and especially the managers literally cares about their talent
I watch henya a lot. I just wanna make a point real quick. Henya is such a bright gentle soul. I actually love her a lot to the point to where I’d collab with her a lot. Just because of how nice she is.
I still feel like Hololive is slightly better in term of balancing strictness/freedom and providing support and opportunity for growth. Yes, definitely holo is stricter than vshoujo, but there's rhyme and reason behind the rules. Ugh... I still feel icky simping for a company, but that's what I genuinely feel. Also, people tends to mistake the craziness among niji livers as freedom while it was actually neglect and vague rules.
Niji: Pouring more fuel in their own burning house VShojo: Whelp, new wave of refugees inbound, see which artists we can tap, get the branding team on notice, spin up the hype machines. We should probably look at having a therapist on staff too at this point.
Suddenly this has become the religious study of chain of narration in order to ascertain the truthfulness of statements made by different people formerly working in the same agency. We could make a religion out of this.
@@FiredAndIced not sure about the religious bit, but the EN chain goes something like this : -Zaion is terminated for various reasons, several of which boil down to "resisting Niji tyranny". Sayu leaks just about everything people are now accepting as the truth, but back then most considered outright slander. Those who listened become more skeptical, but the overall public impression remains mostly the same. -Nina graduates. First NijiEN liver to even HAVE a graduation stream. -Mysta graduates. He was scheduled to graduate months earlier, even ahead of Nina, but personally chose to release his first original song beforehand. Redebuts as Kuro. Makes several comments regarding Niji work environment, on top of his previous thinly veiled complaints as Mysta. Those in the know feel vindicated, public opinion begins to sour. -Matara joins VShojo. Her astonishment at the difference in work environment is plain to see. Public opinion is rapidly approaching point of no return. -Mika graduates and goes quiet. She claims not to know what she'll do after retirement, but most people already speculate she'll move to VShojo, since they've basically earned their "Niji rehab facility" and "VTuber retirement home" labels after Kuro and Matara. -Sometime around Mika's graduation, the Selen megayab happens. Selen is forced into silence. Speculations abound due to NijiEN's tumultuous history regarding stealth suspensions. A few months later, she is officially and unceremoniously terminated. Everyone is outraged. Doki follows in Sayu's footsteps and releases her side of the story. Thanks to her excellent standing in the broader community and overall longer experience in NijiEN (debuted merely a month after Lazulight), as well as Niji's already low reputation by that point, the truth is now accepted as such. Sayu's story is recontextualized and far more readily accepted, now considered a warning that went unheeded. Niji continues to blunder, even remarking that the entire situation's consequences would be "negligible". Everyone with half a brain disengages from Niji entirely. Shares plummet. -Michi joins VShojo. [YOU ARE HERE] Omitted but just as relevant are Yugo (now Unnämed) and Pomu (now Mint)'s graduations; while important, the talents mostly chose not to comment on their previous situation much. Omitted and irrelevant is Kyo's graduation.
@@ToonLinkHoxquin took major potshots at niji in his vtuber debut, waking up from a coma saying that he had a dream that he was "like he was trapped in a prison for a year"
So doki,Michi,And matara has said how they were shocked with their new managers?? Alongside Quinn with his spicy ramen vid where he said that working in corpo means asking managers for permission for everything and not talking highly of it (which probs means its from personal experiences) yeah..... there's definitely something going on with the managers.
The fallout is very surreal. I really want to see actual change from the asshole agency of the day, because of how so morally corrupt it felt to be in there, as expressed by the graduated talents that have now become their own talents independent of an overarching corporate culture. I can only hope. People have subscribed to the rrat theories in 4chan so much that it’s basically a Palestine situation between the English speaking fans and them.
Compared to [unnamed other company] that seems to drag their feet, and use the due date as a guideline on when to start working on it, they must seem far
Imagine being in an abusive relationship, personal or professional, and are genuinely surprised when the next relationship isn't abusive. You expect the worst and yet only get kindness. This all made me smile.
I'm similar in a way of "can I do this or that" and it took me a long time just to still *somewhat* be stuck in that mindset so I see where she's coming from, especially from a place like that. Glad to see she's doing better now.
"Dude that human just fed me full course meal, pretty sure am gonna get chopped tonight." "Nah we go park later, it is daily routine, you gonna get use to it." "Daily wat?!"
I think her idea of having a teaser with irl people to throw every one off only really works in theory. That’s because VShojo only really drops trailers like that when new members are joining. So that’s just a dead giveaway there is a new member coming but I can 100% appreciate her out of the box idea tho. It was really cool to see.
i love how vshojo is the supportive, welcoming home for the livers who had hard times in their old companies Thank you Gunrun, managers and all these people who helped these livers!
This is why I always love the idea of Vshojo, that was form by already establish Vtubers, I hope it doesn't grow so big it becomes like another Corpo, but as we see with those that have left there is little drama compare to others and can keep their channel, so even when it doesn't work they end up with the better deal
Just keep in mind though that VShojo ultimately relies heavily on their talent's brand, which is kind of a blessing and a curse: see how much drama VShojo got caught in their early days, and only when certain members left did VShojo start their rehabilitation to becoming what it is now.
@@StrikeNoir105E Don't forget their leaving coincided with Henya debuting. That and Zen taking it upon herself to set up lots of collabs (apparently she organizes most of the company collabs) This allows the others to do their own stuff and then do a company collab. Zen's biggest problem is scheduling but that's mostly her ADHD getting in her way.
It's kind of a smart business move. They make Nijisanji go through all the trouble and cost of doing the auditions, training the talents, and showing the bad apples. They then pick up the cream of the crop who are discontent, give them a sweet deal and make them happy to join. They are able to avoid the costliest part of building a brand-new talent from the ground up. And if you can survive the Nijisanji black grind (for a while atleast), then you are tough enough to be a veteran vtuber who can bring your fans with you.
Its kind of like business consulting in the corporate world. It is a nightmarish career , but many ambitious people take a few years of it because if you can handle THAT you can handle anything.
VShojo employees seem like they have so much fun with their work. Whether they're talents, management or the heckin CEO. They clearly really enjoy what they do!
Former nijisanji vtubers truly experiencing the difference between a japanese company vs an american company. The culture shock is crazy. Its like you're in a whole different world. It is night and day.
Anyone who's in the workforce, let alone corpo vtuber scene, knows that working in a really toxic work environment alters your brain in such a messed up way that doing "normal stuff", where you don't have to be micromanaged by someone or calculate every single word that comes out of your mouth to not upset anyone, feels incredibly abnormal and "wrong".
@@shifusensei6442 that is why I respect Vshojo. They actually know how to manage and share their knowledge to people who don’t work for them. To me that signals a fantastic manager when they are willing to teach and help others who aren’t on their “team”
tbh a few of us figured the Code Blue stuff must be a new member teaser anyways lol. The only other options I can think of would be like, a concert announcement maybe?
Ah yes, the culture shock of leaving Kurosanji and suddenly being thrust into an environment where the people around you *do their fucking jobs* . Not the first time we're seeing it, hopefully not the last.
I still could tell it was a tease for a new member, but Code Blue was hellafun. Also, what a surprise, another former Niji shocked to find out that other companies treat their talents with some basic human decency. Almost like that company is REALLY bad, no matter what the people Stan'ing for it say...
The more I hear about their experiences in Vshojo, the more I believe Vshojo to be a mythical company that allows its members to do fuck all and succeed.
"These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them. That's institutionalized." The Shawshank Redemption
Yep. A real and genuine psychological effect. Spend long enough in any situation and your brain rewires it as "normal", and typically normal is seen as positive, I suspect due to familiarity being wired as "safe". "The devil that you know is better than the one you don't", as the saying goes. So past a point, even people in horrible situations will feel SOME degree of safety within the comforting blankets of being ruthlessly abused. And so when they leave it, some might want it back to varying degrees. But once a genuinely healthy environment becomes your new normal, you'll feel a level of comfort and safety that utterly eclipses the coping mechanism you relied on before. None of this is to say that this is what's necessarily happening to Michi. I have too little information to go on, and this seems to be different. But it can definitely happen to people in her position, even if it doesn't always.
I imagine it's like getting out of a dystopian society and stepping into the wild. There's so much out there but there's no guides and the very idea of not having anything like a map is incredibly terrifying. What if I make a mistake? What if something bad happens? And so on...
I'll never get tired of hearing former talents from Niji getting cultured shock by the amount of freedom and support they get after they leave. They really are like a bird that got put in a cage and was set free.
There’s only one rule I want enforced on Michi: Don’t let her cook. She used a freaking hair straightener to make candy out of a malt drink powder, I so wished my brain cell didn’t eject that day.
I think that literally started with the Founding members. For example Melody has Epilepsy, so can't play games with flashing lights, Mouse has so many medical problems but they all come down to one thing. Haruka is autistic and Zen has severe ADHD. By the time Kson joined Gunrun had to know that the needs of his streamers came first ad foremost.
i just saw her ads on Twitter, and that was surprising to me 😂 they didnt give any f with the Niji ID branch, it must be frustrating for the ID talents there..
Well hopefully they learned their lesson from the drama with Nux and the Hogwarts Legacy disaster with Silvervale. They had basically no protection for their members at that point, and it really is sad because Silver is one of the original members, even before Vshojo was created, since her, Melody and Ironmouse had their own little group at one point until Vshojo was made.
@@OrbObserver First of all do not misjudge a person on their intentions when they are stating facts. And there is no 100% proof, and there never will be, a company can never fully protect their members/workers, there will always be issues, all that can be done is to reduce the flames as much as possible.
@@shadmanbashar6067 My point is; do not just go all happy go lucky thinking "yay things should be better all is well they learned and it'll never happen again" and this is something even outside company stuff, nobody is ever 100% safe from life troubles, if you have had problems, whether it be from work, or personal, or if it is not even your own and if it is something you have learned from elsewhere, instead of just leaving it all behind, keep a tiny part of it as a lesson in life, and do your best that it doesn't happen again, or if it has not happened to you personally, then take it as a lesson from others, so that you do not suffer the samefate, or that the results are not as terible.
The teasers they made were brilliant and so funny. I didn’t think there was going to be a new member. Just though Vshojo we’re trying something new and I was there for it 😭
"Are there any rules?" "Did you want there to be rules?" That's what happens when you are treated like an adult and they assume you have some vague idea of what your vision is.
It’s great to see an agency that understands supporting their people is how you make everyone successful. I can understand her shock after coming from one that didn’t care about their people.
You know that philosophy about building a new ship from an old ship, but the question is, which is the original ship? I finally got an answer. It's the one that makes the crew happy
You are talking about the Ship of Thesseus problem and that is not what you described. The Ship of Thesseus is that as the ship gets older boards rot and need to be replaced, eventually the entire ship will have been remade with new pieces, at that point is it still the ship of Thesseus? If you build a ship from pieces of another ship the original is the ship you took pieces from to build the new ship. That being said your point about the ship making the crew happy is a good point.
I commented it before in another video. It feels like Niji managers are there to vet everything to protect their own company image; VSJ managers feel like actual talent agents that *assist* the talents. Very different things.
Kurosanji: treats talents like slaves Vshojo: just don't make us look bad and don't break some basic NDA and TOS rules and have fun and enjoy your time here as talent Michi: uhh how does that work? You mean I'm free to do things without asking permission s? No rules? No restrictions? Vshojo: nope, just don't get banned on twitch in general
Honestly I look at this and the only thing i feel is Sadness because Mint, Mata, Kson, Sayu, Doki and now Michi have all said the same thing and they really do all seem like they have almost lost a sense of self worth, the scariest one is mint, Michi doesn't seem too bad but she could just be hiding it better than everyone else. Really just goes to show what kind of enviroment that they were working in and Nijisanji should be ashamed of themselves for having such horrible management. I was a manager in security for 7 years before i physically couldn't do it anymore and if I said half the sh*t that Nijisanji management does id have gotten fired because everything would be a mess. A manager should be the ones making things run smoothly, not the ones that make everything a colossal goatf**k of a mess coated in sh*t and public statements. Also i just wanna say every time Michi said "Tomorrow" the only thing i could hear is the "TOMORROW!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" meme.
Yea. But now look at it now: they’re all still here and with us. Striving and trying to move forward. It makes me smile to see us all connected together as one. 🥹🥹❤️❤️
I said it before, but the only thing that comes to mind is Free Bird by Lynyrd Skynyrd... I love that she's allowed to do what she wants now, rather than being shackled with endless rules and horrible management...
I'm over here wanting more of the VShojo office things. Code Blue was top tier. Still reeling from the loss of Timmy. But more seriously, glad she has found a more proper company that wants her to be herself and have fun while also making money.
That michi Teaser was honestly a suprise by me. I had only a hint of it being a new member but it really did not showcase ANY sort of relevance with it being a new member. A very well suprise :) enjoyed the whole videos too.
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just a heads up. your thumbnail is slightly misleading. her PL was never part of nijiEN she was part of nijiID then just niji
Bro, please at least change your thumbnail to at least just NIJI not EN.. (it wont take too much time I'm sure)
Share Michi clip all you want but respect the ID branch bro..
Dude, this video is getting traction, please fix that thumbnail she was never EN, she was from ID, though I don’t know if it was as bad as EN, it was still different management to my understanding
Vshojo getting comfortable in their role as a Kurosanji rehabilitation center lol
Maybe even a Vtuber rehabilitation center in general.
@@sportballotaku2139 it seems to just come naturally to them, but that said I don't know because I've never seen for myself what that world is like
And then there was a sad girl rehabilitation agency
@@seaweedisvegetable8465there's also a coffee production agency, unless we're talking about the same thing
@@sportballotaku2139A little bit, the Vtubers they have from other past agencies, most if not all, left in good terms with said agency.
The ones that were from Kurosanji were who needed to heal.
And a Sanji graduates a whole lot more than anyone else, so if anything, its that Sanji floods the market with it, so VShoujo just have to take it
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Rule # 1: Don't break TOS
Rule # 2: Always Blame Zen
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ZEEEEEEEEEN! 😆
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Bro Michi is like a domesticated animal trying to return to nature
This is unacceptably similar to those videos you see of pet owners showing of their wonderful dogs that start with "They were rescued from an abusive home..."
Actually, a better example is a Zoo animal trying to return to nature... The amount of trauma that Zoo animals go through is about par for the course for Nijisanji
Or an abused dog being shown love. A friend of mine has one of those. The dog shoves a bunch of food into his mouth before eating it in a corner, because he was constantly fighting other dogs for food.
Bro, this exactly!! It's like when you release a bird outside. Vshojo's all like "be free! Do whatever!" And she's just sitting there like "wat" 🤣🤣
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"We can make up some rules you can break, ease you in" its like theropy lol
therapy*
Matara said similar when she started, but more on the fact of how shocking it was that with Vshojo, when she says to the managers that she wants to do something, they're all instantly on-board, asking if she needs art, music, etc, and it just took her by complete surprise compared to what she was used to.
It says a hell of a lot about Niji that managers actually supporting their talents feels bizarre to her.
I think Nijisanji and VShojo are the two opposite sides of the spectrum. Nijisanji is like the old music label boss.
A VShojo manager is more like an agent in entertainment or a lawyer or accountant, who you pay to do things for you.
Again, its good to see that they have really taken the manager role seriously after their slip ups in the past.
Seeing any kind of company or organization ACTUALLY LEARN FROM MISTAKES is a rarity these days.
Kuro said the same thing too
@@autohmae I'd take it a step further and classify VShojo as a band. The members basically own the company, and they employ the management wing. It's a little more centralized than various talents employing the same agent.
@@eMorphized I often think this, but then remember GunRun is their CEO as well.
The Team: Do what you want
Michi: R-really? No catch?
The Team: Don't break TOS
Michi: Anything else?
The Team: Fun.
Michi: Fun.
Michi: I... Wait really no rules? At all?
The Team: Do you want rules? We can do that if you want!
Michi:... I... Help...
Tell me more about this "fun" thing you speak of... 🤔?
The Team: We have another rule though.
Michi: Which is?
The Team: If someone gives you a hard time, you have to blame Zen before anything else.
This is what I was thinking except the Team follows up with : Or the law.
Mel after finger blasting herself on chaturbate: No seriously. Do what you want and have fun.
Vshojo is striping niji for parts like the sunk ship they are
hopefully they dont take all the parts. some might be damaged or rotten
is it still Niji if they strip it to the core and rebuild using the same parts?
@@yuugael4010 Ship of Nijisanseus
VShoujo is turning into Foster's Home For Neglected VTubers.
more like a sunk Yacht
"We can make up some rules, just to ease you in."
It shines a grim light on her previous environment when her manager could decipher that the correct play here was, in fact, de-facto *exposure therapy*.
Its like dating a girl and shes saying "No, this is wrong, you are being too nice, what do you want?"
Turns out, when you date someone who previous partners abused and cheated, they wont know how to take kindness.
It took me 3 years to de-program her. Then she dumped and started dating another abuser...
FML
@@Pherim_f
all i can say to that is "f"
@@Pherim_What's even the mental process behind that??
I can't imagine a good reason for dumping someone who's not just a passionate aide in life as well as a voluntary, FOC rehab center
@@Pherim_HE THOUGHT HE COULD FIX HER 😂😂😂😂
Less so exposure therapy more like weaning them out of a bad environment, just like you can't give someone who's starving themselves a massive meal. Gotta wind them up to normal meals.
Same shit with Michis rules
Man... remember when people thought Nijisanji slashed talent earnings because they gave the most amount of freedom?
I remember when Niji was "where the cool kids are" and Vshojo was this "who? idk maybe they'll stay around for a year or something".
Oh how things change.
well compared with what they can say vs holo they do, but holo treats their employees a little better. Phase Connect Idol or Vshojo are better though in terms of almost everything.
Vshojo has clique like Niji and you won't enter if not already hugely succesful and friend with people inside.
Phase and Idol are less famous so getting known is harder, the initial fanbase and growth will be less.
All of those three have less experience and contacts in terms of 3d concerts and such but if you are not a singing artist getting into holo, does not seem worth cause you will be very restrained in eveything else you can do and in niji, nowadays, it does not make sense to try to enter unless extremely desperate.
@@webaazul2500VShojo membes have always been bigger than NijiEN and only the Luxiem boys could be compared in size to the likes of Mouse, Vei, Silver, Zen, Nyanners and Melody.
Remember when people meme'd on "talent freedom" as the tagline for VSJ
@@guilguis4820 seeing Vox Akuma new outfit reveal with only 6k ppl says that no one now in Nijisanji has the same level in Vshojo.
I actually like the creativity of the staff to implement rules without consequences just to maintain a sense of structure. Not every transition gotta be a shock therapy session.
Just have to pray that the staff learned their lesson after what happened with both the Nux Taku drama and the insane amount of abuse Silvervale went through, they had basically no protection for their members.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 Frankly if Vshojo had real rules then the Nux Taku drama would have never blown out of proportion. Responding to Nux publicly and without waiting for a proper debrief was a huge part of the problem.
@@afelias It was just a shitshow that toxic people still bring up to this day. All parties were operating with fragments of info and a ton of incorrect assumptions, leading to escalations between parties that were really all on the same side.
@@uselessprotaganist7444 It was a drama that no one won. EVERYONE lost something from that drama, and it's why there isn't a public apology video, as such a video would imply that someone "Won" the drama. Even if everyone posted it at the same time, most would only see one of those videos and formulate their entire opinion on that video alone. It's why they settled everything behind closed doors and don't talk about it as there's nothing to gain from making it public, it would only just paint targets on everyone.
@@daddysempaichanyea exactly. Neither sides really gain anything from doing that either.
Michi like "hello i don't have any rules to break how can i rebel?" And Gunrun just is like "okay umm... Breathing is not allowed, now you're permanently rebelling have a good day"
Michi: do you have any rules about streaming ?
Vshojo: rules?
Michi: yes
Vshojo: We dont really do that here lol
"Have you seen our founding talents? Chaos is the only constant around here!"
Its more like:
"Well, our policy is not break TOS of the platform you stream on... and don't you ever, not in a millisecond, not even in a slightest thought that ran through your mind, don't you ever trust Zen."
@@inspector_beyondfirst VShojo Lethal Company Collab
Michi: (trusts Zen, immediately dies) ZEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Niji seems to have an idea of what vtubers are, and try to force them to fit into that mold. Vshojo recognizes that vtubers are creative people and want them to run with that.
And phase connect recruits entirely from the basements of asylums
@@TheCreepyLanternLets be Honest, Sakana is just looking at Vtubers and saying "You know what, i've never seen someone like you, you are wierd. Hired"
Today's Niji is similar to early days' Holo.
The difference is that Holo saw that they were being shackled by that mindset, and are getting better every year
@@Pherim_So fking true
He didn't choose them because they're sad, he chose them because they somehow barely passed the "mental rehab test" in his nearest asylum
Some are more mentally reformed than others, but you'll always have moments of "Just why?" with most of them
@@Pherim_on the contrary, while it had vulnerabilities they were on the right track with that mindset. After the copyright scare they overcorrected and resulted in some very dumb moments like no outside collabs, no charities, banning Coco for 3 weeks, etc.
They've slowly gotten much better overtime in both restriction and managerial support, but small stupid shit like no gloveless hands and no casual product namedrops continue to linger.
Michi: Can I do this?
Vshojo:Yes.
Michi:And this?
Vshojo:yup
Michi:but what about-
Vshojo:We don't care.
Michi:But what if i-
Vshojo: WE DON'T FREAKING CARE.
Vshojo: We have a camgirl vtuber! You do WHATEVER you want!
Vshojo: look if we can handle ironmouse, silvervale, nyanners, froot, melody, veibae , zen, heck even kson we can handle anything you throw at us.
I don't really believe that they're that nonchalant, but more like they have the experience capability and resources to seamlessly and effortlessly deal with the aftermath of anything that the talents throw at them.
"But what if i-"
"WOMAN"
@@plumber1337 part of that is the talents are more willing to hold themselves accountable because they know their carreer isnt over, and that Vshojo is capable of damage control without slandering them or bullying them into complacency.
V-shoujo rules
Rule 1: don't break NDA
Rule 2 : Don't commit cyber crimes (optional)
(+) Always blame ZEN
So, what we've learned in the last year or so is that at niji, you work for the company. At vshojo, the company works for you
And in doing so, _VShojo_ makes very good money. Shocker! 😯 Seriously, the financial sector has become so brain-dead with the hyperfocus on maximum short-term gains that good business practices, with an emphasis on thinking well beyond the next 4 months, now seem like a novelty.
@@spk1121Some people like to step on other people’s heads on their way to upward social mobility. It’s not surprising that some companies are doing little to improve their corporate culture just because they’re obsessed over numbers.
The power of Vshojo is never to be forgotten.
Vshojo works? I thought it was upheld by a variety of precarious bs, interlocking insanity, and the “???” Step before profit
It's gotta be weird going from a company that's so restrictive about what you're "allowed to do" online while also being infinitely supportive of your projects and creativity, it's gotta be like going from prison to living as a millionaire
More akin to going from a slave plantation to being free, you went from earning money for people that hate you to earning money for yourself on your own time.
They still make a lot of money at Nijisanji rather often.
I mean Doki made over 200k!
She simply spent all of it on her projects.
Of course that doesn't excuse anything.
Especially the lack of support and sabotage are brutal.
@@ThePandafriendNijisanji is literally the most incompetent company ever created. Literally they are just trying to mistreat anyone who joins it. But guess what? Vshojo has a huge advantage and a lot more pros than cons compared to nijisanji. Hence why we have doki/Selen there and more ex nijisanji livers here as well. We welcome them with open arms. Nijisanji does not. Edit: I was meaning to correct myself here with doki. She is indie and she’s not apart of Vshojo. My fault guys.
@@darklord1366
No, they are not the most incompetent company.
They are mistreating their employees, no doubt about that, and they show quite some incompetence, but at the end of the day they are still a highly profitable company. You don't get into such a position by being incompetent.
@@ThePandafriend Yeah except Doki made that 200k, NOT Nijisanji, if anything she earned money in spite of Nijisanji.
We already know the talents have to do everything themselves including paying for new models, their gear, their intros, their outros, events they have planned, appearances at conventions, concerts, blah blah blah.
The only thing Niji did is give them a brand name to work under and the base 2d character model/design.
legit sounds like when you adopt a abused dog, and you have to do things you wouldn't do ever just to make it feel more confortable.
kurosanji really is a goddamn hellhole.
This is what I was thinking. It's been awhile since we've really gone all out and rescued multiple dogs in a year, but are most recent is another one, and she came from not a great place.
Everything over having her has been trying to ease her into things, getting surprised at some normal things that terrify her, and basically just enjoying petting her and covering her up in a blanket because she rolls around like a pig and mud and it's quite obvious that being inside where it's warm, and having actual comfort, are new things to her. And of course, we will provide.
Hearing about the shock going from one company to another, that's exactly what it reminded me of.
It's incredible how vile of a company nijisanji has been revealed to be
When being treated properly makes you feel weird.
F Niji.
Niji is sinking the yacht
While hololive is growing stronger
And V Shojo and phase connect + other vtuber companies growing and improving
Just niji en man not jp.
@@JuanitaGalimba JP fired one of their members for causing outrage with a harmless uneducated baseball comment.
@@JuanitaGalimba No, it's similar just not as bad and badly managed as EN. The most popular goldenchilds are treated well, the other dozens are practically given similar EN treatment/neglect.
Pretty much exactly what DokiBird said.
And Mata, and Mint, and Kuro...... a pattern? No no surely not.
@@ectothermici dont believe in patterns, only trends.
Wait--
@@ectothermicdefinitely not
@@ectothermicIf it's a pattern it's a negligible one. 😋
@@TailsTheFoxy Yea, 100% is defiantly “negligible”😂
Holy fuck my girl has ptsd
man I think most of those still in have PTSD of some level, and the last few month ain't helping them.
If nijiEn fucked, imagine how horrible situation on NijiID
@@lenfentman...
@@lenfent Actually, apparently NijiID management was actually good. Things went south when the branch got merged.
@@Earliersphere As an example Rosemi is now taking time off to sort out her mental. She also didn't stream for the two weeks after Selen's termination, she claimed it was because she was sick, but Petra also didn't stream either. I am pretty sure her stress levels are through the roof. Hopefully Matara is talking to her behind the scenes
Vshojo has slowly become a sort of rehabilitation center for vtubers
If I got a nickel each time I heard the same speech coming from a new Vshoujo members' early stream, I would have three nickels.
Which is not a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice. And there is one thing they all had in common.
Ok, so there's Michi, Matara, and who was the third one again? I can't remember if Pikamee was part of Niji or not.
@@swigmcale7555Pikamee was part of VOMS, they're referring to kuro
@@thewitchhh_ Ah, ok
@@swigmcale7555 K9Kuro was Mysta Rhias. Pikamee wasn't in Niji.
Almost all ex-nijis had said "wait, I can play [game name] on stream now!" at some point. Indie or corpo.
It's great to have her back, surrounded by supportive people.
Welcome back michi
What are you talking about? This was totally her first debut stream ever
@@Mari-Schimmer she was in Nijisanji EN
@@alva8096 It was a joke, I know
I was quoting what she said in the debut over and over again
Dude her eyes are so mesmerising, thats like the main place im looking whenever shes talking, thats crazy
Which set of eyes? She has more than a few >.>
@@TransientWitch😂 Tsk tsk tsk, naughty you.
Her forehead too
Those pupils, they do so much growing and shrinking
Heavenly.
You may not like Vshojo's content, but you can't deny the way they treat vtubers is the best in the business.
tbh yeah, I dont really watch Vshojo's content that much, but I am happy for the talents there and especially the managers literally cares about their talent
I watch henya a lot. I just wanna make a point real quick. Henya is such a bright gentle soul. I actually love her a lot to the point to where I’d collab with her a lot. Just because of how nice she is.
I still feel like Hololive is slightly better in term of balancing strictness/freedom and providing support and opportunity for growth. Yes, definitely holo is stricter than vshoujo, but there's rhyme and reason behind the rules.
Ugh... I still feel icky simping for a company, but that's what I genuinely feel. Also, people tends to mistake the craziness among niji livers as freedom while it was actually neglect and vague rules.
Niji: *screwing up even MORE*
Vshojo: Okay team, we've got some more talent to bring on. Just keep doing what you're doing.
Vshojo a.k.a Vtuber Rehabilitation Centre
Niji: Pouring more fuel in their own burning house
VShojo: Whelp, new wave of refugees inbound, see which artists we can tap, get the branding team on notice, spin up the hype machines. We should probably look at having a therapist on staff too at this point.
Maybe if this keeps up, then all the en talents will have a chance to redeem themselves if they leave niji and joined vshojo.
@@IdaliBaez-em8eii hope not ALL of nijien ends up joining cause as Doki said there is internal problems within the talents themself not even the staff
@@IdaliBaez-em8eiShip of Nijiseus
Michi: "Is there any rule?"
Manager: "you tell me" lmao
Wait until she discoverers why Mel is late to streams 😂
wouldn't be the first new vshojo member to find out after joining that mel's literally a virtual camgirl 😂
"Melody is working out at the personal private gym."
@@Mewseeker"but when she's finished, she's finished!"
"It's kind of like yoga, kind of, yeah..." 😏
I keep forgetting you meant Mel and in Melody not Mel as in Yozora Mel
GunRuns business model: Let the entertainers entertain.
Mind blowing
The man understands his business as he was one before. Unlike most bosses and CEOs nowadays who only care for stock prices.
And with that is 4 marks of the same testimony by diferent sources so by investigation standards the evidence can be now classified as irrefutable.
Think you forgot Sayu. That's 5 with Doki, Kuro, Matara and now Michi.
Suddenly this has become the religious study of chain of narration in order to ascertain the truthfulness of statements made by different people formerly working in the same agency.
We could make a religion out of this.
@@FiredAndIced not sure about the religious bit, but the EN chain goes something like this :
-Zaion is terminated for various reasons, several of which boil down to "resisting Niji tyranny". Sayu leaks just about everything people are now accepting as the truth, but back then most considered outright slander. Those who listened become more skeptical, but the overall public impression remains mostly the same.
-Nina graduates. First NijiEN liver to even HAVE a graduation stream.
-Mysta graduates. He was scheduled to graduate months earlier, even ahead of Nina, but personally chose to release his first original song beforehand. Redebuts as Kuro. Makes several comments regarding Niji work environment, on top of his previous thinly veiled complaints as Mysta. Those in the know feel vindicated, public opinion begins to sour.
-Matara joins VShojo. Her astonishment at the difference in work environment is plain to see. Public opinion is rapidly approaching point of no return.
-Mika graduates and goes quiet. She claims not to know what she'll do after retirement, but most people already speculate she'll move to VShojo, since they've basically earned their "Niji rehab facility" and "VTuber retirement home" labels after Kuro and Matara.
-Sometime around Mika's graduation, the Selen megayab happens. Selen is forced into silence. Speculations abound due to NijiEN's tumultuous history regarding stealth suspensions. A few months later, she is officially and unceremoniously terminated. Everyone is outraged. Doki follows in Sayu's footsteps and releases her side of the story. Thanks to her excellent standing in the broader community and overall longer experience in NijiEN (debuted merely a month after Lazulight), as well as Niji's already low reputation by that point, the truth is now accepted as such. Sayu's story is recontextualized and far more readily accepted, now considered a warning that went unheeded. Niji continues to blunder, even remarking that the entire situation's consequences would be "negligible". Everyone with half a brain disengages from Niji entirely. Shares plummet.
-Michi joins VShojo. [YOU ARE HERE]
Omitted but just as relevant are Yugo (now Unnämed) and Pomu (now Mint)'s graduations; while important, the talents mostly chose not to comment on their previous situation much. Omitted and irrelevant is Kyo's graduation.
@@ToonLinkHoxquin took major potshots at niji in his vtuber debut, waking up from a coma saying that he had a dream that he was "like he was trapped in a prison for a year"
Im so elated that she's happy now
So doki,Michi,And matara has said how they were shocked with their new managers?? Alongside Quinn with his spicy ramen vid where he said that working in corpo means asking managers for permission for everything and not talking highly of it (which probs means its from personal experiences) yeah..... there's definitely something going on with the managers.
The fallout is very surreal. I really want to see actual change from the asshole agency of the day, because of how so morally corrupt it felt to be in there, as expressed by the graduated talents that have now become their own talents independent of an overarching corporate culture.
I can only hope.
People have subscribed to the rrat theories in 4chan so much that it’s basically a Palestine situation between the English speaking fans and them.
"They're so fast."
Compared to [unnamed other company] that seems to drag their feet, and use the due date as a guideline on when to start working on it, they must seem far
First Day jitters: er, what can I do?
Manager: _tell us what we can do for you to accomplish what you want to do_ 😆
Michi: NANI????
damn, vshojo staff are actual faqing GOATs
I can hear Parrot4chan reading your comment 😂
@@teslameccano9046 "GUNRUN YOU GOAT, I KNEEEEEEEEEL"
BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
Hell yea they are
Holy shit, her eyes and eye tracking are phenomenal.
Imagine being in an abusive relationship, personal or professional, and are genuinely surprised when the next relationship isn't abusive. You expect the worst and yet only get kindness. This all made me smile.
I'm similar in a way of "can I do this or that" and it took me a long time just to still *somewhat* be stuck in that mindset so I see where she's coming from, especially from a place like that.
Glad to see she's doing better now.
Man I knew I would never be able to get enough of Michi when I learnt the story behind her eyesight
"Would you LIKE to have a fight?"
"Oh God yes please!!"
"Look, this isn't an argument!" "Yes it is." "No it isn't, it's just contradiction!" "No it isn't." "Yes it is." "It is not!"
@@ZGryphon” guys please “
“No really”
“Please tell me what to do”
“Do what it is you desire”
“Guys”
“Ya?”
“ILY”
this is gonna be template for every ex niji who will join vshojo later on lmao
This gives the same emotions as saving a dog from an abusive home, and seeing them run, jump around, and loving their new home~ 🥹
"Dude that human just fed me full course meal, pretty sure am gonna get chopped tonight."
"Nah we go park later, it is daily routine, you gonna get use to it."
"Daily wat?!"
I think her idea of having a teaser with irl people to throw every one off only really works in theory. That’s because VShojo only really drops trailers like that when new members are joining. So that’s just a dead giveaway there is a new member coming but I can 100% appreciate her out of the box idea tho. It was really cool to see.
i love how vshojo is the supportive, welcoming home for the livers who had hard times in their old companies
Thank you Gunrun, managers and all these people who helped these livers!
Vshojo is our home. I don’t wanna leave it.
This is why I always love the idea of Vshojo, that was form by already establish Vtubers, I hope it doesn't grow so big it becomes like another Corpo, but as we see with those that have left there is little drama compare to others and can keep their channel, so even when it doesn't work they end up with the better deal
Just keep in mind though that VShojo ultimately relies heavily on their talent's brand, which is kind of a blessing and a curse: see how much drama VShojo got caught in their early days, and only when certain members left did VShojo start their rehabilitation to becoming what it is now.
@@StrikeNoir105E Don't forget their leaving coincided with Henya debuting. That and Zen taking it upon herself to set up lots of collabs (apparently she organizes most of the company collabs) This allows the others to do their own stuff and then do a company collab. Zen's biggest problem is scheduling but that's mostly her ADHD getting in her way.
It's kind of a smart business move. They make Nijisanji go through all the trouble and cost of doing the auditions, training the talents, and showing the bad apples.
They then pick up the cream of the crop who are discontent, give them a sweet deal and make them happy to join.
They are able to avoid the costliest part of building a brand-new talent from the ground up.
And if you can survive the Nijisanji black grind (for a while atleast), then you are tough enough to be a veteran vtuber who can bring your fans with you.
Its kind of like business consulting in the corporate world. It is a nightmarish career , but many ambitious people take a few years of it because if you can handle THAT you can handle anything.
VShojo employees seem like they have so much fun with their work. Whether they're talents, management or the heckin CEO. They clearly really enjoy what they do!
Former nijisanji vtubers truly experiencing the difference between a japanese company vs an american company.
The culture shock is crazy. Its like you're in a whole different world. It is night and day.
Anyone who's in the workforce, let alone corpo vtuber scene, knows that working in a really toxic work environment alters your brain in such a messed up way that doing "normal stuff", where you don't have to be micromanaged by someone or calculate every single word that comes out of your mouth to not upset anyone, feels incredibly abnormal and "wrong".
brainwashing at its finest
Nowadays I cannot bring myself to watch another Niji talent without thinking: "THE YACHT IS SINKING! GET THE F*CK OUTTA THERE!"
When your former employment was so restrictive your new employment feels like a culture shock
Niji use and abuse Vtubers, Vshojo supports and cares for Vtubers.
Not just the vtubers that work for them, they seem to want to help and support former corporate vtubers that want to be independent.
@shifusensei6442 Yup! Mint for example
vshojo becoming the nijisanji rehab
@@shifusensei6442 that is why I respect Vshojo. They actually know how to manage and share their knowledge to people who don’t work for them. To me that signals a fantastic manager when they are willing to teach and help others who aren’t on their “team”
It's almost like they learned something from their scammer incident.
vshojo is so genuinely supportive it mind breaks new talent, honestly adorable.
They only need to remind her about the twitch ToS
Those office security guard teasers were awesome. I'd love to see more Vshojo office shenanigans.
Gunrun, we salute you for saving our oshis. o7
tbh a few of us figured the Code Blue stuff must be a new member teaser anyways lol. The only other options I can think of would be like, a concert announcement maybe?
Ah yes, the culture shock of leaving Kurosanji and suddenly being thrust into an environment where the people around you *do their fucking jobs* . Not the first time we're seeing it, hopefully not the last.
We can only continue to catch more W’s than nijisanji. Right?
I still could tell it was a tease for a new member, but Code Blue was hellafun. Also, what a surprise, another former Niji shocked to find out that other companies treat their talents with some basic human decency. Almost like that company is REALLY bad, no matter what the people Stan'ing for it say...
Im so happy she's happy where she is now 🥹 thank you Vshojo 💜
Vshojo is really the place for us all.
Making up rules so that she can break them and feel michivious about it, feels just like her 😂
That sort of work Trauma is something I can relate to in my core.
The more I hear about their experiences in Vshojo, the more I believe Vshojo to be a mythical company that allows its members to do fuck all and succeed.
4:35
I mean. There was literally that one Haruka alert for gift subs. Lmao.
"These walls are funny. First you hate 'em, then you get used to 'em. Enough time passes, you get so you depend on them. That's institutionalized."
The Shawshank Redemption
Yep. A real and genuine psychological effect. Spend long enough in any situation and your brain rewires it as "normal", and typically normal is seen as positive, I suspect due to familiarity being wired as "safe". "The devil that you know is better than the one you don't", as the saying goes. So past a point, even people in horrible situations will feel SOME degree of safety within the comforting blankets of being ruthlessly abused. And so when they leave it, some might want it back to varying degrees. But once a genuinely healthy environment becomes your new normal, you'll feel a level of comfort and safety that utterly eclipses the coping mechanism you relied on before.
None of this is to say that this is what's necessarily happening to Michi. I have too little information to go on, and this seems to be different. But it can definitely happen to people in her position, even if it doesn't always.
I'm so happy for her!!! I really love her design. Can't wait to see more of her contents with how much freedom she has now❤
I imagine it's like getting out of a dystopian society and stepping into the wild. There's so much out there but there's no guides and the very idea of not having anything like a map is incredibly terrifying. What if I make a mistake? What if something bad happens? And so on...
I'll never get tired of hearing former talents from Niji getting cultured shock by the amount of freedom and support they get after they leave. They really are like a bird that got put in a cage and was set free.
There’s only one rule I want enforced on Michi:
Don’t let her cook. She used a freaking hair straightener to make candy out of a malt drink powder, I so wished my brain cell didn’t eject that day.
We'll let Kuro help her cook, aparently he has improved, that might solve things
@@EndoftheBeginning17 Oh dear god no, that's a recipe for blowing up a microw- oh
she w h a t
It's clearly different because Gunrun and his team understands the needs of the streamer.
or Gunrun and his team actually gives a damn about the talents, but at this point you can practically point out anything and be right
I think that literally started with the Founding members. For example Melody has Epilepsy, so can't play games with flashing lights, Mouse has so many medical problems but they all come down to one thing. Haruka is autistic and Zen has severe ADHD.
By the time Kson joined Gunrun had to know that the needs of his streamers came first ad foremost.
@@legionrip7484 Gunrun is one of the founders of Twitch, he is definitely one of those people who really knows streamers.
@@LordAshura Im not saying he doesnt know, I'm just saying compared to the other company its also probably he actually cares about the people he hires
i just saw her ads on Twitter, and that was surprising to me 😂 they didnt give any f with the Niji ID branch, it must be frustrating for the ID talents there..
Oh, believe me, the fans were furious because their oshis are reduced to tears. Niji earned the vendetta of the whole anime fandom in Indonesia.
Vshojo is once again proven its vtuber rehab for abuse victims
Well hopefully they learned their lesson from the drama with Nux and the Hogwarts Legacy disaster with Silvervale. They had basically no protection for their members at that point, and it really is sad because Silver is one of the original members, even before Vshojo was created, since her, Melody and Ironmouse had their own little group at one point until Vshojo was made.
@@xanthiusdrake2775Let it go. They've obviously been doing the right things since then, it was years ago. Move on.
@@OrbObserver First of all do not misjudge a person on their intentions when they are stating facts. And there is no 100% proof, and there never will be, a company can never fully protect their members/workers, there will always be issues, all that can be done is to reduce the flames as much as possible.
@@xanthiusdrake2775 move the fk on man. Why are still on that nonsense drama.
@@shadmanbashar6067 My point is; do not just go all happy go lucky thinking "yay things should be better all is well they learned and it'll never happen again" and this is something even outside company stuff, nobody is ever 100% safe from life troubles, if you have had problems, whether it be from work, or personal, or if it is not even your own and if it is something you have learned from elsewhere, instead of just leaving it all behind, keep a tiny part of it as a lesson in life, and do your best that it doesn't happen again, or if it has not happened to you personally, then take it as a lesson from others, so that you do not suffer the samefate, or that the results are not as terible.
Michi: i can bend reality??
Always makes me happy to see how happy people are in vshojo
Together we feel connected as one. Right?
I'm so happy for her she looks way more happy
I love hearing her laugh again. I’m glad she’s doing so much better now.
The legend comes back to life.
Vtubers death are only temporary.
But in reality, they live for eternal!!!
The teasers they made were brilliant and so funny. I didn’t think there was going to be a new member. Just though Vshojo we’re trying something new and I was there for it 😭
Cmon man....
The joke pretty just writes itself at this point
This is a similar reaction that a lot of people have after leaving an incredibly toxic relationship (go figure…)
The niji ptsd is very real bruh.
Yea it is. Nijisanji really can leave you with scars. But at least with Vshojo you don’t have to worry about that. Because Vshojo is a safe place.
Poor woman is 100% describing PTSD from an abusive relationship. Hope she can heal.
she was from Nijisanji ID tho
At this point Vshoujo is like a rehabilitation center
"Are there any rules?"
"Did you want there to be rules?"
That's what happens when you are treated like an adult and they assume you have some vague idea of what your vision is.
It’s great to see an agency that understands supporting their people is how you make everyone successful. I can understand her shock after coming from one that didn’t care about their people.
You know that philosophy about building a new ship from an old ship, but the question is, which is the original ship?
I finally got an answer. It's the one that makes the crew happy
You are talking about the Ship of Thesseus problem and that is not what you described. The Ship of Thesseus is that as the ship gets older boards rot and need to be replaced, eventually the entire ship will have been remade with new pieces, at that point is it still the ship of Thesseus?
If you build a ship from pieces of another ship the original is the ship you took pieces from to build the new ship.
That being said your point about the ship making the crew happy is a good point.
I commented it before in another video. It feels like Niji managers are there to vet everything to protect their own company image; VSJ managers feel like actual talent agents that *assist* the talents. Very different things.
Kurosanji: treats talents like slaves
Vshojo: just don't make us look bad and don't break some basic NDA and TOS rules and have fun and enjoy your time here as talent
Michi: uhh how does that work? You mean I'm free to do things without asking permission s? No rules? No restrictions?
Vshojo: nope, just don't get banned on twitch in general
One can also play. "Try and only get banned for 3 days". I dare you!
7:00 people that work out of passion and get compensated accordingly is super efficient.
Honestly I look at this and the only thing i feel is Sadness because Mint, Mata, Kson, Sayu, Doki and now Michi have all said the same thing and they really do all seem like they have almost lost a sense of self worth, the scariest one is mint, Michi doesn't seem too bad but she could just be hiding it better than everyone else.
Really just goes to show what kind of enviroment that they were working in and Nijisanji should be ashamed of themselves for having such horrible management. I was a manager in security for 7 years before i physically couldn't do it anymore and if I said half the sh*t that Nijisanji management does id have gotten fired because everything would be a mess. A manager should be the ones making things run smoothly, not the ones that make everything a colossal goatf**k of a mess coated in sh*t and public statements.
Also i just wanna say every time Michi said "Tomorrow" the only thing i could hear is the "TOMORROW!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?" meme.
Yea. But now look at it now: they’re all still here and with us. Striving and trying to move forward. It makes me smile to see us all connected together as one. 🥹🥹❤️❤️
Kson wasn't a nijisanji. She was a hololive.
HOLY WTF THIS IS AWESOME! I MISSED HER SO MUCH!!!!
After watching her trusting zen i think the message is clear:
Dont trust the cyber dragon
"Any rules?"
"Them's the rules"
"But you haven't-"
"Now go. Debut"
I said it before, but the only thing that comes to mind is Free Bird by Lynyrd Skynyrd...
I love that she's allowed to do what she wants now, rather than being shackled with endless rules and horrible management...
I'm over here wanting more of the VShojo office things. Code Blue was top tier. Still reeling from the loss of Timmy.
But more seriously, glad she has found a more proper company that wants her to be herself and have fun while also making money.
Another ex-Kurosanji being embraced by VShojo with open arms
That michi Teaser was honestly a suprise by me. I had only a hint of it being a new member but it really did not showcase ANY sort of relevance with it being a new member.
A very well suprise :) enjoyed the whole videos too.