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As a Clone trooper, I can confirm The Force prefers men with mustaches. I don't have to wear a ton of layers of armor, all the time to live a long life anymore.
Mon Mothma understood that as long as she had a credible force with which to oppose the Empire, the Empire could never claim victory. That's why the Rebel Alliance only fought the Empire in open battle when they had a reasonable chance of inflicting severe casualties on Imperial forces while mitigating their own casualties. This is called going on the "strategic defensive". It was also used by Washington during the American Revolution, Lee during the American Civil War and Allied forces in the Pacific in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.
Exactly her temperament and pacifist background and actually benefited the rebellion greatly. Whereas the partisans were eventual hunted down and destroyed
Absolutely right. You want Intelligence in Pilots, plus aggressiveness in Fighter pilots and ridiculous calm in Bomber pilots. TIE-Pilots are truely among the best, but because they are so "easily" disposed off in the Movies, they get laughed off as TIN-Pilots but if you take for example the Japanese Kamikaze, those were among the best, too. It takes exceptional skill to openly go against superior forces - And make it home. Kamikaze was not the original mission of most of these pilots, it was the last resort if they knew they wouldn´t make it back.
and contrary to what many believe... they weren't volunteers. A few were, sure... but the majority were heavily pressured to join... and were dishonored if they didn't.
@@Tank50us please don’t mix origins with the end. For example: When Germany started Volkssturm, it was a veritable Defense strategy and training was taken seriously. At the end, every man, child and woman who could wield something with any deadly effect was sent out with little to no training. When Kamikaze was invented, they originally looked for people crazy enough to fly dive bombers against all odds and those who did it were specifically trained to do so. In the end everyone who could be made to suicide bomb, dive, or run into a final attack was made to. The final order of Hitler was to defend the remainder of Germany to the last drop of blood. The order of the Japanese Military was to gladly give your life for Tenno and Homeland. Tenno heika Banzai, may the Emperor live for 10.000 years. Both were totalitarian regimes like the empire and Operation Burning Cinder was the same train of thought. What started as specialised and very rare forms of attacks turned into mass murder/ suicide.
I think, the challenge of the rebelliion was quite similar to WW 2 RAF during battle of Britain. Thankfully, Spitfire and even more so, Hurricane were easy to fly. Add in the veteran pilots in case of rebels, defectors from Empire, in the RAF Polish veterans of 2 campaigns , Poland and France, and you get some serious fighting potential.
Yep. WW2 RAF had volunteers from all over the world. Poland, Croatia, France, United States, and many more. They had no trouble finding pilots willing to fly for them. The trouble was the high casualties, but they were determined to win, so they did.
Don't forget that along with Wedge Antilles, another TIE fighter cadet who defected was Derek "Hobbie" Klivian. Hobbie would be the rebel pilot who located Han Solo and Luke Skywalker after the pair had disappeared for a time on the barren Hoth snowscape. He was also a major contributor for protecting the rebel evacuation of Hoth, flying alongside Skywalker and Antilles.
@@Wand422 I suppose it may depend on the source, but from the film, "The Empire Strikes Back" it was Hobbie in the position of "Rogue-2," and it is he, (even though the pilot is not identified by actual name during the sequence, the actor who played Hobbie is in the cockpit of the search & rescue speeder, and therefore it should translate that it is Hobbie,) who says, "Echo Base, this is Rogue- 2. I found them. Repeat, I found them," the designation he had during the evacuation. However, I also know that during the evacuation sequence, a couple of designations get switched-up during the actual battle/film sequence, i.e., at one point, in particular when the Rebels trip up a walker via tow-cable, it's somewhat unclear if Luke is calling Wedge Antilles "Rogue-2" or if Luke is addressing Hobbie because Luke seems to refer to both of them as "Rogue-2." This confusion happens again just before/during Luke's getting shot down. So, in consideration of so many other "re-writes" or overlooks by the storytellers/(re)-productions it is possible that the narrative changed. So, I definitely won't say that "Zev Senesca" is incorrect.
@@skyden24195 Richard Oldfield plays Derek Klivian in both films and Zev Senesca is played by Christopher Malcom. The line "I've found them" was portrayed and voiced by Christopher Malcom as Zev Senesca. Callsigns might have been messed up in post credits and writing but I think it's pretty safe to say that the person portrayed on screen was never intended to be Derek Klivian.
It's kind of similar to the issue at the start of WW2. Japanese pilots were more experienced than their American counterparts and had the Zero as a plane which was fast agile but at the cost of little armoring and a somewhat weak engine. Once the loss of pilots took its toll and the American's newer Plane designs were on the landing strips the equation changed.
Not to mention attrition in general. Losses of both men and materiel in combination with shrinking territories meant that the IJN and Army lost most of its logistical support.
I should add that the lack of armor and engine issues were a comrpomise that the designer had to make. A stronger engine and more armor were possible, and the IJAAF versions of the A6M did feature them. However, the reason was because that speed, firepower and range, all had to land on a carrier, and Japanese metallurgy at the time the Zero was designed wasn't up to making the stronger frames necessary to withstand repeated landings on a carrier. Funny enough, the US had similar issues which is why the Wildcat lacked the automatic folding wings and landing gear in the early days... the engine was already at its peak, and adding those features would just make it too heavy for carrier operations. This changed in the F-6F, which is the fighter the USN always wanted.... fast, powerful, durable, easy to fly, and actually capable of operating from its decks. The size and weight made it ill-suited for the lighter 'jeep carriers', but the big fleet carriers could handle them with no di... well... with little difficulty (let's face it, landing on a carrier is a tricky concept even under the best conditions).
@@Tank50us I also might add that at the time, Japanese engineers, because of the subpar metallurgy you mentioned, couldn't make an engine that was both powerful enough and light enough to add more armor while still being able to take off and land on a carrier. The Zero fighter was an excellent fighter for the limitations the engineers faced, and although it was easily outclassed by other fighters later in the Pacific War, at the outset of the conflict it was pretty terrifying until the Allied pilots learned how to counter their diving attack patterns.
You made a great point in this video that I honestly hadn't considered before: The Rebellion won by means of it's continued existence; it didn't have to win against the Empire directly, it just had to not lose. Sure, they suffered setbacks like Hoth, but the Rebellion still continued on and never lost to the extent that the Rebellion was wholly ended. They simply had to keep fighting until the Empire collapsed under the weight of its own failing political and socioeconomic systems.
That throw away line about why imperial fighters not having star drives to prevent defections actually makes good sense - the majority of pilots are always dependent on a high ranking carrier commander within comms distance.
@@ForestRaptor Absolutely! Although, X-Wing Alliance takes place after The Battle of Hoth. The first X-Wing takes place before A New Hope and I feel like it's one of the best representations of how vulnerable the early Alliance really was.
Starfighters were a lot like pre/early WW2 propeller planes in that civilian planes were similar enough for transitioning easily to military Starfighters, and even for private organisations to get access to them. You can't do that with a modern jet fighter. The skill set is far more unique and complex, and they _can't_ be learnt outside a national military. And as for getting your hands on a jet fighter....
@@openfly4u actually that was just a myth. In reality there was a deal between Pepsi and the USSR for the latter to sell the former some decomissioned merchant ships so Pepsi could scrap them but it didn't pan out cuz the USSR collapsed
Mon Mothma really held the Rebel Alliance together and did everything in her power to provide what it needed. The shrewdness she regularly displayed coupled with her understanding about war and the politics of war made her a leader the Rebel Alliance needed. Such a key pillar, I hate that she's underrated but appreciate how we see more of her in Andor.
16:25 ROGUE SQUADRON. I gotta reread those books, its been decades at this point and I need me a Coran Horn an Wedge Antilles fix along with Isard and a SSD.
"Just make sure that when you steal that fighter it has a hyperdrive because...so THAT's why Tie Fighters don't have hyper drives!" I find the prospect the empire was so paranoid about defections they handicapped their own starfighter core absolutely insane XD
7:59 I fully believe that Saw *ABSOLUTELY* saw the larger strategic situation. He just didn’t care. He wasn’t out to win a war. He just wanted to kill stormtroopers.
The moment you said "take that vessel but make sure it has a hyperdrive- - - " I did that "wait...but only shuttles have hyperdrives... OH THAT'S WHY!!!! " almost at the same time XD
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Rebels may have delivered the knock-out punches on the battlefield, but the Empire mostly defeated itself. It's increasingly paranoid, brutal, and heavyhanded tactics gradually turned more and more of the Galaxy against it. Blowing up a planet for example, convinced many who otherwise may have sat on the fence, that something HAD to be done. Combine this with incompetent, overconfident leadership who were usually in a leadership position based more on family connections, nepotism, and unwavering loyalty to the Emperor rather than merit, and an officer corps more focused on backstabbing and sabotaging one another instead of cooperation, and what do you get? A doomed Empire, that's what. But that's just the fatal flaw of a government influenced (albeit unknowingly) by Sith ideology.
Awesome vid Allen as always. You mentioned that people didn't know why Alderaan disappeared. Who in the galaxy even knew that the Death Star or both Death Stars even existed? The Empire barely got their feet wet with the first one, and the second one never left Endor. Just sayin'.
The Empire actually pinned Alderaan's destruction on the Rebels. It was done to save face on the loss of the Death Star. The Death Star was meant to go public after Yavin when they could claim it ended the Rebellion.
The Rebels clip makes me wonder if the Empire doesn't have the concept of "illegal orders". It's a complex topic, but it boils down to the idea that if a superior officer orders his or her troops to do something that conflicts with their oaths of enlistment or commission, those subordinates are obligated to refuse on the grounds that the order should never have been given. If those troops _do_ carry out those illegal orders, then "I was only following orders" won't save them from being court-martialed and/or charged with war crimes. Imperial military law is _probably_ different from the modern US military's Uniform Code of Military Justice, so it might have been a bigger dilemma for the cadets in the Rebels clip than it would be for fighter pilot candidates IRL, but under the UCMJ, the cadets' correct response to an order to destroy a civilian ship that had clearly surrendered would be to inform their CO that that is an illegal order, and they would not comply with it. But I suppose Rebels is a kids' show, and for that you kind of need either a bloodless war where the enemy pilots always eject successfully, or enemies so obviously monstrous that you don't care much about mowing them down like wheat before the scythe. So, the Empire pretty much have to be moustache-twirling villains, not nuanced or complex. Still, it would've been great to see someone like Thrawn arrive to dress down that Academy commandant on the grounds that he's supposed to be moulding _Imperial officers,_ soldiers who show initiative and support the stability and order the Empire is trying to bring to the galaxy, not cranking out battle-droids limited to robotically carrying out orders.
No they wouldn't. Remember that the Empire is ruled by Sith and as far as Sith are concerned there is no such thing as 'illegal orders'. Sith consider themselves 'perfect' beings and the rightful rules of all sapience. Much like a Monarchy, there is no such thing as an illegal order if the King wills it. The King's Word is Absolute and if the King wants those civilian freighters shot up, "It will be done My Lord." Even someone like Thrawn and especially the Chiss himself would understand that the best they can do is protest against the system. Better to go with the flow at least from a public perspective. To do otherwise is to challenge the King and when you're against a Sith Lord, you'd better kill on the first shot. You won't get a second. The thing is, the Empire is modelled after Nazi Germany. You do have your competents holding the empire together, it wouldn't function as long as it did otherwise. However they are a minority. But something interesting I found out is that the Germany army fought better when the field officers weren't being micromanaged from central command. When the lines of communication finally caught up to the blitzkrieg (because they hit the ocean and couldn't go any further), that's when things started to go downhill. Imperial Officers aren't supposed to show initiative and creativity. Much like their german counterparts, they are supposed to defer to their superiors who know better because well... they're superior. Yes this was part of the downfall of the Third Reich and the Allies learned to let their field officers do their thing in the field which is part of the modern US Army doctrine today. It worked and continued to work in the real world. And it's part of the reason why the Rebels also won.
Good video again Prof Allen, just wanted to give a heads up there is some feedback on the audio. Something like an amp or an aux cord from a speaker that was on? Just made a constant buzz/hum in my headphones and I double checked it was just this video.
@@Justanotherconsumer if I remember correctly, Poe said she was the best pilot in TROS. And yeah I completely agree, Anakin knowing how to fly a ship and destroying a space station at 8yo was really weird and kinda ridiculous. Edit: I just remembered Rey for some reason knew how to fly the Falcon and knew how to fix it in TFA, it was quite a weird and random thing....guess her and Anakin were just born knowing stuff
I love this channel! It dives seriously deep into the more niche mechanics of Star Wars and makes it feel so practical! Thank you so much for your contributions!
Alan, sometimes the best defense is to go on the offensive. If one knows that an attack is coming, why waiting for an attack to come and not strike first?
While that makes sense, a pyrrhic victory would've been extremely detrimental to the Rebellion. The Empire had a vast reserve of ships and personnel to draw on after a battle, but if the Rebellion lost a large portion of their very meager forces in a singular battle? They wouldn't be able to continue further sabotage ops for at least a good long while, prolly wouldn't be able to help people who needed their help, and morale would become an issue potentially to the point of the dissolution of the Rebellion.
Ah yes our dozen or so mc80s can fight it out with a few thousand star destroyers lets send out y wings and x wings to fight hundreds of thousands of tie fighters
Imperial Officers were highly technical proficient and disciplined, the downside was that imperial doctrine and organizational culture discouraged initiative and innovation, which negated those advantages. Put a Imperial Officer that defected to the rebellion in environment that encourages initiative and innovation, they can be very formidable adversaries, which explains why the rebellion was able to beat empire. The senior leadership were former commanders of the empire who knew how the enemy fought but were aware of the others sides flaws do to once being amongst the enemy ranks. Also like that from a creative standpoint storywise, it shows how horrible the empire had become to such an extent that the Emperor's own' commanders who once swore an oath to serve him became so disgusted with his rule that they turned against him. In the military, adhering to one's oath is the most honorable thing you can do, and honor is of utmost importance, to break ones oath for evan a righteous reason is no small thing and is a major burden mental if one values ones honor, the situation was so bad that they saw doing so as morally worth it.
Actually i think defections would be common in academies remember how Luke wanted to join the academy but had no love for the empire and asked 3PO about the rebellion
Hypothesis on why most tie fighters not having hyperdrives!!! I just thought it was very expensive to have and maintain.... I never thought about making hard for Imperial Pilots to defect. Way to go!!!
Well, it seems Rey was able to fly ships, use the force, and fight with a light Saber with nooooo problems. She is way better then Luke ever was. 😅😂😅😅😂😅
I long thought that a the (sith) empire started showing its true colors the more that imperial troops deserted, or outright defected, pilots, naval officers, soldiers, even stormtroopers would walk away from the empire and into the rebellion.
Thrawn was exiled. That's basically the Death Sentence in Chiss society. Any attempt to return or contact the Ascendancy would be treated as a hostile action. As long he continues to ignore them, they will ignore him.
This reminds me of the chinese civl war. The kuomintang would constantly give immense reasons for people to join the Communists with flooding whole towns, taking rations from them, and a lot other stuff that would convince someone to defect, while the communists were also really playing defensive until they had a big enough army.
Do one on the Towanifamily from the Ewokmovies. Why did they crash on the Endormoon? Were they on the run from the Empire after Hoth or is it a timeline where Luke fails to destroy the Death Star? Mace Towani is clearly wearing a rebel flightsuite. If it is before Return of the Jedi then why did Wicket forget the basic Cindel teach him and if it is after then where are the Empire ruins and why didn't he know what a starcruiser is....?
Even though the Ewoks movies are part of the Legends canon, Pablo Hidalgo said that Disney didn't decanonize the films and that authors are free to reference them in the current Canon.
@@hungtheheroluu Yes, true... But I allways been wondering about the witch in Battle for Endor. She clearly is an offworlder and must have come by starship but I never thought of her as a fallen Jedi since her power come from her ring but she might be a runaway Nightsister....
@@theblackgoatofthewoods the witch you speak of, Charal, who was an ally of those marauders that attacked the Ewoks' village, is indeed a Nightsister, perhaps the first live-action debut and overall debut of the Nightsisters before Ventress, Talzin, Merrin, and Morgan Elsbeth.
Why were Organa's still in Senate after it was realized they were harboring a Jedi. And why didn't lea mention what Obi Wan did for her more lately. And when vader told him when you last Left me i eas not but a learner but now he seems desperate fir victory having lost to Obi twice already
TLDR: The Rebellion mostly took up the same strategy as the North Vietnamese, which makes sense considering Lucas intended the Original Trilogy to partially be about Nixon and Vietnam. All the tactics and strategy here have direct parallels to the doctrine of those real life forces.
They will be. Give the writers time to "back-and-fill" the stories. And for the "fans" who endlessly complain about that: There's two choices - either never have (or recognize) a retro story about events before the movies, or suck it up and accept that things are gonna change from "canon" Or you could just give up and stop watching/reading.
Man, it would be cool if Disney got their head out their ass and made a 70’s esque Rogue Squadron series with mustaches and that retro New Hope feel, Rogue One came close
Just thought they got on SW version of intergalactic Amazon an ordered the holovid collections of "how to build your own Intergalactic Army/Navy" or "Force jitsu" manuals an the like while Studying old Surplus Kaminoan GAR Training Manuals that clone supply depots used to stock extra of an then went from there.. Disclaimer: fighters other ships and they pilots/crews are only so good. Depends on WHICH ones, the individual missions in question and also which ground units. Inferno when it defected an Twilight Company an other commandos are WAY better an critical then even whole fleets as they showed more then few times. In Truth you need both. Sure fleet got good, but a fleet can't do it all. An without good to elite ground troops for plenty of missions having a great Navy that can only hit an run goes only so far an forget about holding ground. Which makes a navy op, especially risky ones worth it
Lol i just rewatched the family guy parody of new hope And was wondering exactly how/why they just let Luke fly one of their Xwings and partake on a mission where the very fate of the galaxy was at stake. They literally just met the guy.
Well, he (Luke) had just helped rescue Princess Leia. And evidently, knew how to fly a ship, and was willing to fight. (If we knew who Bigg's was he would also probably vouch for Skywalker). As a kid, heck even as an adult I didn't question why they had an extra X-wing. Hmm... maybe they keep a spare in case one's down for repairs or they just got a new shipment in?
I love the U wing but its no fighter, its a troop dropship and maybe a forward base of operations for a small team, a 5 person team can live out of this thing for weeks or maybe months is they know their bushcraft.
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Where did you get that rebel alliance motorcycle helmet?
@@TaurusInvicta Thanks.
Spivving finance? BAD karma!
Will the code be good if I want to buy two sabers? Or is it just off the total?
Allan giving the most honest disclaimer on financial responsibility during the sponsor spot.
That’s why we love him, he’s a real one
Integrity. It's outstanding.
I noted this as well. Great ethics
This is why I like him. He’s full of wisdom.
Big fan of that one.
As a person with a mustache, I can confirm we make excellent farmers and x wing pilot
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imagine asquadron full of Ted Lassos :D
Can confirm, I shaved my mustache and my garden died.
My moustache is my key to success. I finally grew one, and my ship finally made me leading petty officer of electrical division.
As a Clone trooper, I can confirm The Force prefers men with mustaches. I don't have to wear a ton of layers of armor, all the time to live a long life anymore.
Mon Mothma understood that as long as she had a credible force with which to oppose the Empire, the Empire could never claim victory. That's why the Rebel Alliance only fought the Empire in open battle when they had a reasonable chance of inflicting severe casualties on Imperial forces while mitigating their own casualties. This is called going on the "strategic defensive". It was also used by Washington during the American Revolution, Lee during the American Civil War and Allied forces in the Pacific in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.
Exactly her temperament and pacifist background and actually benefited the rebellion greatly. Whereas the partisans were eventual hunted down and destroyed
Absolutely right. You want Intelligence in Pilots, plus aggressiveness in Fighter pilots and ridiculous calm in Bomber pilots.
TIE-Pilots are truely among the best, but because they are so "easily" disposed off in the Movies, they get laughed off as TIN-Pilots but if you take for example the Japanese Kamikaze, those were among the best, too. It takes exceptional skill to openly go against superior forces - And make it home. Kamikaze was not the original mission of most of these pilots, it was the last resort if they knew they wouldn´t make it back.
and contrary to what many believe... they weren't volunteers. A few were, sure... but the majority were heavily pressured to join... and were dishonored if they didn't.
@@Tank50us please don’t mix origins with the end. For example: When Germany started Volkssturm, it was a veritable Defense strategy and training was taken seriously. At the end, every man, child and woman who could wield something with any deadly effect was sent out with little to no training.
When Kamikaze was invented, they originally looked for people crazy enough to fly dive bombers against all odds and those who did it were specifically trained to do so.
In the end everyone who could be made to suicide bomb, dive, or run into a final attack was made to.
The final order of Hitler was to defend the remainder of Germany to the last drop of blood. The order of the Japanese Military was to gladly give your life for Tenno and Homeland. Tenno heika Banzai, may the Emperor live for 10.000 years.
Both were totalitarian regimes like the empire and Operation Burning Cinder was the same train of thought. What started as specialised and very rare forms of attacks turned into mass murder/ suicide.
I think, the challenge of the rebelliion was quite similar to WW 2 RAF during battle of Britain. Thankfully, Spitfire and even more so, Hurricane were easy to fly. Add in the veteran pilots in case of rebels, defectors from Empire, in the RAF Polish veterans of 2 campaigns , Poland and France, and you get some serious fighting potential.
Yep. WW2 RAF had volunteers from all over the world. Poland, Croatia, France, United States, and many more. They had no trouble finding pilots willing to fly for them. The trouble was the high casualties, but they were determined to win, so they did.
genuinely the early allied fighter volunteers were absolutely a big influence on Lucas in conceptualizing the rebellion
Don't forget that along with Wedge Antilles, another TIE fighter cadet who defected was Derek "Hobbie" Klivian. Hobbie would be the rebel pilot who located Han Solo and Luke Skywalker after the pair had disappeared for a time on the barren Hoth snowscape. He was also a major contributor for protecting the rebel evacuation of Hoth, flying alongside Skywalker and Antilles.
Didn't he go down during the Battle of Hoth?
@@Tank50us yes, according to Legends, (at least,) he crashed his speeder into the AT-AT that was being commanded by General Veers no less.
Zev Senesca found Luke and Han unless they got lost twice.
@@Wand422 I suppose it may depend on the source, but from the film, "The Empire Strikes Back" it was Hobbie in the position of "Rogue-2," and it is he, (even though the pilot is not identified by actual name during the sequence, the actor who played Hobbie is in the cockpit of the search & rescue speeder, and therefore it should translate that it is Hobbie,) who says, "Echo Base, this is Rogue- 2. I found them. Repeat, I found them," the designation he had during the evacuation. However, I also know that during the evacuation sequence, a couple of designations get switched-up during the actual battle/film sequence, i.e., at one point, in particular when the Rebels trip up a walker via tow-cable, it's somewhat unclear if Luke is calling Wedge Antilles "Rogue-2" or if Luke is addressing Hobbie because Luke seems to refer to both of them as "Rogue-2." This confusion happens again just before/during Luke's getting shot down. So, in consideration of so many other "re-writes" or overlooks by the storytellers/(re)-productions it is possible that the narrative changed. So, I definitely won't say that "Zev Senesca" is incorrect.
@@skyden24195 Richard Oldfield plays Derek Klivian in both films and Zev Senesca is played by Christopher Malcom. The line "I've found them" was portrayed and voiced by Christopher Malcom as Zev Senesca. Callsigns might have been messed up in post credits and writing but I think it's pretty safe to say that the person portrayed on screen was never intended to be Derek Klivian.
It's kind of similar to the issue at the start of WW2. Japanese pilots were more experienced than their American counterparts and had the Zero as a plane which was fast agile but at the cost of little armoring and a somewhat weak engine. Once the loss of pilots took its toll and the American's newer Plane designs were on the landing strips the equation changed.
Not to mention attrition in general. Losses of both men and materiel in combination with shrinking territories meant that the IJN and Army lost most of its logistical support.
I should add that the lack of armor and engine issues were a comrpomise that the designer had to make. A stronger engine and more armor were possible, and the IJAAF versions of the A6M did feature them. However, the reason was because that speed, firepower and range, all had to land on a carrier, and Japanese metallurgy at the time the Zero was designed wasn't up to making the stronger frames necessary to withstand repeated landings on a carrier. Funny enough, the US had similar issues which is why the Wildcat lacked the automatic folding wings and landing gear in the early days... the engine was already at its peak, and adding those features would just make it too heavy for carrier operations. This changed in the F-6F, which is the fighter the USN always wanted.... fast, powerful, durable, easy to fly, and actually capable of operating from its decks. The size and weight made it ill-suited for the lighter 'jeep carriers', but the big fleet carriers could handle them with no di... well... with little difficulty (let's face it, landing on a carrier is a tricky concept even under the best conditions).
@@Tank50us I also might add that at the time, Japanese engineers, because of the subpar metallurgy you mentioned, couldn't make an engine that was both powerful enough and light enough to add more armor while still being able to take off and land on a carrier. The Zero fighter was an excellent fighter for the limitations the engineers faced, and although it was easily outclassed by other fighters later in the Pacific War, at the outset of the conflict it was pretty terrifying until the Allied pilots learned how to counter their diving attack patterns.
@@Tank50us and then the corsairs showed up…
You made a great point in this video that I honestly hadn't considered before: The Rebellion won by means of it's continued existence; it didn't have to win against the Empire directly, it just had to not lose. Sure, they suffered setbacks like Hoth, but the Rebellion still continued on and never lost to the extent that the Rebellion was wholly ended. They simply had to keep fighting until the Empire collapsed under the weight of its own failing political and socioeconomic systems.
That throw away line about why imperial fighters not having star drives to prevent defections actually makes good sense - the majority of pilots are always dependent on a high ranking carrier commander within comms distance.
If you really wanna know what it was like to be a Rebel pilot in the very early Rebellion, then I highly recommend playing Star Wars X-Wing from 1993.
And Star Wars XWing Alliance :3
@@ForestRaptor Absolutely! Although, X-Wing Alliance takes place after The Battle of Hoth. The first X-Wing takes place before A New Hope and I feel like it's one of the best representations of how vulnerable the early Alliance really was.
"THAT'S why TIE Fighters don't have hyperdrives!" In 40+ years that's the best reason I've heard.
Starfighters were a lot like pre/early WW2 propeller planes in that civilian planes were similar enough for transitioning easily to military Starfighters, and even for private organisations to get access to them.
You can't do that with a modern jet fighter. The skill set is far more unique and complex, and they _can't_ be learnt outside a national military.
And as for getting your hands on a jet fighter....
theres a dude on youtube documenting him fixing and flying a jet (so far not so much luck but ay HE OWNS A JET)
@@Otacon2099 grounded jet? :)
Didn`t pepsi own a destroyer ship for a while, or something like that?
@@openfly4u actually that was just a myth. In reality there was a deal between Pepsi and the USSR for the latter to sell the former some decomissioned merchant ships so Pepsi could scrap them but it didn't pan out cuz the USSR collapsed
@@openfly4u they owned the sixth largest Navy. Technically. They never actually owned it, it was just scrap metal from the USSR.
The secret to become the best Rebel pilot: Grow a Mustache!
It didn't help Biggs Darklighter though. RIP.
@Arcturion Blade his mustache wasn't big enough 😔
It's not just pilots who benefited from mustaches. In fact, the Rebel Alliance would've likely won much sooner if Mon Mothma had grown a mustache.
May the mustache be with you!
Mon Mothma really held the Rebel Alliance together and did everything in her power to provide what it needed. The shrewdness she regularly displayed coupled with her understanding about war and the politics of war made her a leader the Rebel Alliance needed. Such a key pillar, I hate that she's underrated but appreciate how we see more of her in Andor.
3:11 gotta love how bro talks about how you can't just be a pilot without training while showing the mary sue that became a pilot without training
Forgot to mention that the Planetary Defence Forces and the Security Forces flew Z95 headhunters which also had similar controls to the X-Wing
Also T 16s, which was found everywhere, had similar controls.
It's like Russian doctrine, if you can drive a Traktor you can drive Tank.
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The more I binge of Alens newer videos, the more he’s becoming one of my favorite RUclipsrs.
16:25 ROGUE SQUADRON. I gotta reread those books, its been decades at this point and I need me a Coran Horn an Wedge Antilles fix along with Isard and a SSD.
Yub, yub, Commander!!! ☠
Thanks
"Just make sure that when you steal that fighter it has a hyperdrive because...so THAT's why Tie Fighters don't have hyper drives!"
I find the prospect the empire was so paranoid about defections they handicapped their own starfighter core absolutely insane XD
The book Battlefront gave a good insight on the Rebel Army and their recruiting methods.
7:59 I fully believe that Saw *ABSOLUTELY* saw the larger strategic situation. He just didn’t care. He wasn’t out to win a war. He just wanted to kill stormtroopers.
The moment you said "take that vessel but make sure it has a hyperdrive- - - " I did that "wait...but only shuttles have hyperdrives... OH THAT'S WHY!!!! " almost at the same time XD
I'm glad Rebel pilots adopted the Ted Lasso look :)
well, the motto of Rebels is the same of Richmond: "Believe" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The mustache thing is a reference to the classic bulletproof mustache a fighter pilot tradition that is practiced to this day.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Rebels may have delivered the knock-out punches on the battlefield, but the Empire mostly defeated itself.
It's increasingly paranoid, brutal, and heavyhanded tactics gradually turned more and more of the Galaxy against it. Blowing up a planet for example, convinced many who otherwise may have sat on the fence, that something HAD to be done. Combine this with incompetent, overconfident leadership who were usually in a leadership position based more on family connections, nepotism, and unwavering loyalty to the Emperor rather than merit, and an officer corps more focused on backstabbing and sabotaging one another instead of cooperation, and what do you get? A doomed Empire, that's what.
But that's just the fatal flaw of a government influenced (albeit unknowingly) by Sith ideology.
15:55 When you finally realize the methods behind to The Empire's madness.
Awesome vid Allen as always. You mentioned that people didn't know why Alderaan disappeared. Who in the galaxy even knew that the Death Star or both Death Stars even existed? The Empire barely got their feet wet with the first one, and the second one never left Endor. Just sayin'.
The Empire actually pinned Alderaan's destruction on the Rebels. It was done to save face on the loss of the Death Star. The Death Star was meant to go public after Yavin when they could claim it ended the Rebellion.
Don't forget the Bantha Tape, every insurgency needs bantha tape.
*thumbnail*
TFS Vegeta: 🎶"MUSTACHE! MUSTACHE! MUSTACHE! MUS-MUS-MUSTACHE!"🎶
The Rebels clip makes me wonder if the Empire doesn't have the concept of "illegal orders".
It's a complex topic, but it boils down to the idea that if a superior officer orders his or her troops to do something that conflicts with their oaths of enlistment or commission, those subordinates are obligated to refuse on the grounds that the order should never have been given. If those troops _do_ carry out those illegal orders, then "I was only following orders" won't save them from being court-martialed and/or charged with war crimes.
Imperial military law is _probably_ different from the modern US military's Uniform Code of Military Justice, so it might have been a bigger dilemma for the cadets in the Rebels clip than it would be for fighter pilot candidates IRL, but under the UCMJ, the cadets' correct response to an order to destroy a civilian ship that had clearly surrendered would be to inform their CO that that is an illegal order, and they would not comply with it.
But I suppose Rebels is a kids' show, and for that you kind of need either a bloodless war where the enemy pilots always eject successfully, or enemies so obviously monstrous that you don't care much about mowing them down like wheat before the scythe. So, the Empire pretty much have to be moustache-twirling villains, not nuanced or complex.
Still, it would've been great to see someone like Thrawn arrive to dress down that Academy commandant on the grounds that he's supposed to be moulding _Imperial officers,_ soldiers who show initiative and support the stability and order the Empire is trying to bring to the galaxy, not cranking out battle-droids limited to robotically carrying out orders.
No they wouldn't. Remember that the Empire is ruled by Sith and as far as Sith are concerned there is no such thing as 'illegal orders'. Sith consider themselves 'perfect' beings and the rightful rules of all sapience. Much like a Monarchy, there is no such thing as an illegal order if the King wills it. The King's Word is Absolute and if the King wants those civilian freighters shot up, "It will be done My Lord."
Even someone like Thrawn and especially the Chiss himself would understand that the best they can do is protest against the system. Better to go with the flow at least from a public perspective. To do otherwise is to challenge the King and when you're against a Sith Lord, you'd better kill on the first shot. You won't get a second.
The thing is, the Empire is modelled after Nazi Germany. You do have your competents holding the empire together, it wouldn't function as long as it did otherwise. However they are a minority. But something interesting I found out is that the Germany army fought better when the field officers weren't being micromanaged from central command. When the lines of communication finally caught up to the blitzkrieg (because they hit the ocean and couldn't go any further), that's when things started to go downhill.
Imperial Officers aren't supposed to show initiative and creativity. Much like their german counterparts, they are supposed to defer to their superiors who know better because well... they're superior.
Yes this was part of the downfall of the Third Reich and the Allies learned to let their field officers do their thing in the field which is part of the modern US Army doctrine today. It worked and continued to work in the real world. And it's part of the reason why the Rebels also won.
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Good video again Prof Allen, just wanted to give a heads up there is some feedback on the audio. Something like an amp or an aux cord from a speaker that was on? Just made a constant buzz/hum in my headphones and I double checked it was just this video.
With the ripe and endless resentment brought about through decades of injustice and oppression
"you can't just learn how to be a pilot without training"
* Shows Rey, who, without any training, was said to be the BEST PILOT OF THE RESISTANCE
She was? No, that was Poe.
(That said, the best “no training” example would be Anakin at age… what was he, 8?)
@@Justanotherconsumer if I remember correctly, Poe said she was the best pilot in TROS. And yeah I completely agree, Anakin knowing how to fly a ship and destroying a space station at 8yo was really weird and kinda ridiculous.
Edit: I just remembered Rey for some reason knew how to fly the Falcon and knew how to fix it in TFA, it was quite a weird and random thing....guess her and Anakin were just born knowing stuff
You and I came to the same conclusion about the hyper drive at the same minute that was a SOB moment
I love this channel! It dives seriously deep into the more niche mechanics of Star Wars and makes it feel so practical! Thank you so much for your contributions!
Regarding your last part of you post, "be the best part of yourself".
Something our government officials on all levels are lacking severely.
Thank you for this video. Always enjoyable.
Did you mention Warrior Poet?
Alan, sometimes the best defense is to go on the offensive. If one knows that an attack is coming, why waiting for an attack to come and not strike first?
While that makes sense, a pyrrhic victory would've been extremely detrimental to the Rebellion. The Empire had a vast reserve of ships and personnel to draw on after a battle, but if the Rebellion lost a large portion of their very meager forces in a singular battle? They wouldn't be able to continue further sabotage ops for at least a good long while, prolly wouldn't be able to help people who needed their help, and morale would become an issue potentially to the point of the dissolution of the Rebellion.
Ah yes
our dozen or so mc80s can fight it out with a few thousand star destroyers
lets send out y wings and x wings to fight hundreds of thousands of tie fighters
I have learned so much about my favorite clones
But the main question is... do they have permission to land like a dainty butterfly?
Imperial Officers were highly technical proficient and disciplined, the downside was that imperial doctrine and organizational culture discouraged initiative and innovation, which negated those advantages. Put a Imperial Officer that defected to the rebellion in environment that encourages initiative and innovation, they can be very formidable adversaries, which explains why the rebellion was able to beat empire. The senior leadership were former commanders of the empire who knew how the enemy fought but were aware of the others sides flaws do to once being amongst the enemy ranks. Also like that from a creative standpoint storywise, it shows how horrible the empire had become to such an extent that the Emperor's own' commanders who once swore an oath to serve him became so disgusted with his rule that they turned against him. In the military, adhering to one's oath is the most honorable thing you can do, and honor is of utmost importance, to break ones oath for evan a righteous reason is no small thing and is a major burden mental if one values ones honor, the situation was so bad that they saw doing so as morally worth it.
Actually i think defections would be common in academies remember how Luke wanted to join the academy but had no love for the empire and asked 3PO about the rebellion
Hypothesis on why most tie fighters not having hyperdrives!!! I just thought it was very expensive to have and maintain.... I never thought about making hard for Imperial Pilots to defect. Way to go!!!
I've flown a crop duster through a canyon so I know all about flying a military space craft, complete with heavy weaponry.
Lol, Love the videos Alan, but this was the first time RUclips interrupted your sponsor to show me a different ad. Kinda funny.
So, the title implies this could be the most powerful training hack in human history. 😂😂
Well, it seems Rey was able to fly ships, use the force, and fight with a light Saber with nooooo problems.
She is way better then Luke ever was.
😅😂😅😅😂😅
“Ah! That’s why TIE fighters do not have hyperdrives.”
Stay on target!
New Rebel pilots were required to watch The Pilot and the Rebellion, an introductory document and video during recruitment sessions.
The Rebels remember Colonel Olds and his stache.
Demo...cra..cyyy! You're the best, Alan.
I long thought that a the (sith) empire started showing its true colors the more that imperial troops deserted, or outright defected, pilots, naval officers, soldiers, even stormtroopers would walk away from the empire and into the rebellion.
Wonder if right now in a galaxy farfar away the evokes have their own history channel series about meet c3PO
Scarif was a HUGE material and personnel loss for the Alliance
Rebel pilots are made up of ex-Imperials, farmboys and chads with 70s mustaches.
Please do the tactics
You did one.. you said you would do more
Can you predict what thrawn relationship with the ascendancy will be, and was he gaining power with them while in the unknown regions
Thrawn was exiled. That's basically the Death Sentence in Chiss society. Any attempt to return or contact the Ascendancy would be treated as a hostile action. As long he continues to ignore them, they will ignore him.
Sorry the static sound made this unwatchable. Love ya man catch you in the next one.
This reminds me of the chinese civl war. The kuomintang would constantly give immense reasons for people to join the Communists with flooding whole towns, taking rations from them, and a lot other stuff that would convince someone to defect, while the communists were also really playing defensive until they had a big enough army.
Do one on the Towanifamily from the Ewokmovies.
Why did they crash on the Endormoon?
Were they on the run from the Empire after Hoth or is it a timeline where Luke fails to destroy the Death Star?
Mace Towani is clearly wearing a rebel flightsuite.
If it is before Return of the Jedi then why did Wicket forget the basic Cindel teach him and if it is after then where are the Empire ruins and why didn't he know what a starcruiser is....?
Maybe it was before Scarif.
@@TheAzureNightmare It might be. That's why they should make a video of them....
To bad Mace dies later.....
The rebellion could have needed him
Even though the Ewoks movies are part of the Legends canon, Pablo Hidalgo said that Disney didn't decanonize the films and that authors are free to reference them in the current Canon.
@@hungtheheroluu Yes, true... But I allways been wondering about the witch in Battle for Endor.
She clearly is an offworlder and must have come by starship but I never thought of her as a fallen Jedi since her power come from her ring but she might be a runaway Nightsister....
@@theblackgoatofthewoods the witch you speak of, Charal, who was an ally of those marauders that attacked the Ewoks' village, is indeed a Nightsister, perhaps the first live-action debut and overall debut of the Nightsisters before Ventress, Talzin, Merrin, and Morgan Elsbeth.
I mean , even I could be a great fighter pilot if I could grow a mustache like that lol
Not going to lie, the democracy at the end killed me.
Why were Organa's still in Senate after it was realized they were harboring a Jedi.
And why didn't lea mention what Obi Wan did for her more lately. And when vader told him when you last Left me i eas not but a learner but now he seems desperate fir victory having lost to Obi twice already
TLDR: The Rebellion mostly took up the same strategy as the North Vietnamese, which makes sense considering Lucas intended the Original Trilogy to partially be about Nixon and Vietnam. All the tactics and strategy here have direct parallels to the doctrine of those real life forces.
In EU, characters such as Tycho Celchu defected because of Alderaan, especially Celchu, who was Alderaanian.
I’ve been rereading the ol x-wing series and seeing this video and all them Darklighter boys brought a smile to my face
I mustache you, where do you get your content ideas
The power of mustaches.
The best rebel pilots had those 70's porn star mustaches. That's why they were know as the best "bush "pilots.
Mon Mothma practised insider trading?
Oh that's why she looks like a younger Nancy Polosi
Even the best senators do it. Go figure.
What did he do to the Captain Rex helmet in the back
I look forward to your closing line in every vid. "My allegiance is the the Republic. To Democrasaaaiiii"
I've decided to rewatch andor for the 4th time.
Why hasn’t the Rex helmet been finished yet? It’s been in that condition for a week.
Why did you call him wedge? 12:29
Twilight Company mentioned 😎
1:00 why does that shot of Biggs remind me of Pedro Pascal...
I have been hearing a buzz through the audio on this video, was that intentional or did it slip in.
I wish we got more in-depth on how the infantry and elite units are trained
The timeline between Star Wars rebels, and Jedi fallen order Jedi survivor. Are they connected?
They will be.
Give the writers time to "back-and-fill" the stories.
And for the "fans" who endlessly complain about that:
There's two choices - either never have (or recognize) a retro story about events before the movies, or suck it up and accept that things are gonna change from "canon"
Or you could just give up and stop watching/reading.
I love your videos
I mean another reason why they made at the very least farmers into good killers is that farmhands make good stock for soldiers
Goose and Rooster has mustaches so they are good pilots.
The Rebellion didn't need to win they just need to not lose.
Great thumbnail
If there's a lesson all empires can learn from history it's don't mess with farmers
The answer is simple: VIDEO GAMES! 😆
As a man i discovered that the longer your hair and beard gets the more powerful you become. Kinda like mitichlorians 😆😆
Man, it would be cool if Disney got their head out their ass and made a 70’s esque Rogue Squadron series with mustaches and that retro New Hope feel, Rogue One came close
Could stick close to the context or the games. Maybe throw in some Rebel Strike and Rogue Leader.
Just thought they got on SW version of intergalactic Amazon an ordered the holovid collections of "how to build your own Intergalactic Army/Navy" or "Force jitsu" manuals an the like while Studying old Surplus Kaminoan GAR Training Manuals that clone supply depots used to stock extra of an then went from there..
Disclaimer: fighters other ships and they pilots/crews are only so good. Depends on WHICH ones, the individual missions in question and also which ground units. Inferno when it defected an Twilight Company an other commandos are WAY better an critical then even whole fleets as they showed more then few times. In Truth you need both. Sure fleet got good, but a fleet can't do it all. An without good to elite ground troops for plenty of missions having a great Navy that can only hit an run goes only so far an forget about holding ground. Which makes a navy op, especially risky ones worth it
Lol i just rewatched the family guy parody of new hope
And was wondering exactly how/why they just let Luke fly one of their Xwings and partake on a mission where the very fate of the galaxy was at stake. They literally just met the guy.
Well, he (Luke) had just helped rescue Princess Leia.
And evidently, knew how to fly a ship, and was willing to fight. (If we knew who Bigg's was he would also probably vouch for Skywalker). As a kid, heck even as an adult I didn't question why they had an extra X-wing.
Hmm... maybe they keep a spare in case one's down for repairs or they just got a new shipment in?
Nemic took the credit
The thumbnail answers the question. It’s obviously the mustaches.
Could any pilots stranded around Yavin lad in te moon and not find the rebals
I love the U wing but its no fighter, its a troop dropship and maybe a forward base of operations for a small team, a 5 person team can live out of this thing for weeks or maybe months is they know their bushcraft.