23:30 Caleb let's play hide and seek. I will hide and you will seek professional help. Seriously, what were you even thinking with this clip? Your sheer callousness and obvious envy is jarring. I'm glad I unsubbed a long time ago.
I was a born in . I never had a Christmas as a child. When I left at 18 and subsequently had children of my own, I made sure we had a tree, presents and everything else every year. The consumerism aspect was lost on me, as I loved giving (and 🛍 shopping!) . The watchtower will never again wrap their tentacles around my ability to enjoy my life
I think the best thing about being an exjw is making your own traditions and doing what feels comfortable to you. I feel very indifferent to christmas, I don’t feel the need to celebrate just because I’m not a witness anymore. It doesn’t mean I hate it. I’ve got kids and they are getting curious so it will likely evolve as the get older, and that’s fine with me too. We are the only ones in our family that have left so it feels quite lonely. I don’t resent my other friends that have big family Christmas meals, I’m happy that’s their situation. I think that it can be milestone in our lives that we can reflect on our year and our personal journeys so your comment about trauma dumping is a bit harsh. Altogether it’s not so black and white as you make out for exjws. In my experience plenty of never JW’s don’t even like Christmas and don’t celebrate like you describe
You had me until you decided to snip out Wally's clip at 24 minutes about his path to sobriety. That is LOW. I normally make the "golly jee willikers" jokes on your channel but no Dani, that was shameful. Do better and swallow your pride, you continue to make yourself look bad.
Yeah, I don't get what the point here was. Wally doesn't have a problem with Christmas, unlike Evens. Is there any beef between them? Of all the ex jw community, I find Wally the least confrontational.
@unclefranklin4575 Dani has had personal beef with Wally for quite a while and spoke out on multiple platforms including Twitter/X. Wally has attempted to deescalate in some of his videos by discreetly saying things like "we can disagree". Some of his videos clearly contain messages intended for Dani because he knows that Dani is obsessed with him. The entire thing shows that Dani has a LOT of growing up to do. He enjoys attacking other youtubers that have different views than him and behaves like a child. My wife once defended Wally, and Dani responded with a comment that basically called her a pdf file. Again, he behaves like a child.
@@Shawn-zw5eoRUclips often censors comments before they make it to the channel even with the uploaders sets things to be manually approved. Maybe he did but please consider that RUclips might have also deleted your comment.
LOL you've trauma dumped plenty of times on this channel, especially relating to your family and previous gfs. You do know that videos like this won't exactly cause a rise in viewership right? Especially because Xmas happened nearly a month ago already. So instead you're relying on malicious obloquy.
I don't like this guy, Wally and altworldy are the more analytic and balanced kind of content creators, open about their own issues too. But hey that's the beauty of not having to agree with everyone, like we had to do with GB.
They are being very careful about what changes they make. Allowing beards was easy because no one is really physically harmed by being not allowed to grow a beard. So no one can come after them legally for ever restricting beards. Its those policies that have actually caused physical and mental harm(shunning, CSA coverup, blood policy) that they will never change because with those people could absolutely come after them legally for harm done.
@ExJWCaleb with peace and love my friend ✌🏼, forced unity on beliefs in the ex JW community and dragging others content are kinda separate in my view. You can make a point without talking yourself up and talking others down. Like I said, great insightful video though.
I don't think my criticism towards larger content creators is "dragging", especially when it comes to me commenting about what I consider to be toxic views that they're spreading towards my audience, and I would have no issues with someone doing the same to me. As you can see from our conversation, I like to engage with people who think differently than me.
@ExJWCaleb yes matey, I get your view. But to be fair, what you consider a toxic view is just your perspective and not necessarily true. The other creators have lived experiences that they are working through and talking about too, which is also just their perspective. They shouldn’t be villainized for it. You could make your point without calling two specific people out, after all you all share an audience. Anyway, it’s all inconsequential at the end of the day, moving on friend ✌🏼
My ex-mother-in-law, who was a JW since the early 80s, used to say on days like Christmas and Mother's day that she would not accept any gifts on those days because she did not celebrate those pagan holidays. She would say that she could recieve the gifts the following day. So weird.
Do people not realize they can celebrate Christmas without having to buy gifts or spend a bunch of money, if they are so afraid of the consumerism aspect of it?
As one of your viewers who was never JW I find your explanation for winter holidays to be very interesting, as an outsider this is one of the things I know JWs do and I thought this is something that made them a bit more consistent than other groups at the very least if they were going to be fundamentalist about the Bible (until I later found out about some of the other practices through channels like yours). So in the act of rejecting the holiday they end making their own in the process (a sort of religious Festivus since that one is also supposed to be critical of Christmas in some way), at least that’s what I’m getting from this video. I grew up Catholic and was pretty devout about it for several years and even back then I already knew about the origins of Christmas and it didn’t really bother me since we didn’t believe in just the Bible after all, JW missionaries may have called us idolaters and Pagans but this was never really brought up in these debates.
I was studying with a witness and i was sent a link saying that jehovah punishes people who celebrate xmas and she told me in a snide way to "help you know how to feel about the holiday's" knowing how much i love spending the time with my family etc. Honestly if they don't want to celebrate Christmas by their own logic then their employers should get them to work over that time and they shouldn't be able to buy anything in the sales because in these ways these things are still "worldly" and to do with Christmas I have no hate. Just my opinion.
BTW, Christmas was not "birthday of Jesus" as the JW's seem to believe, it was a celebration of God's epiphany, that is manifestation of God on Earth, it was one feast with Epiphany (January 6th), that's why nobody cared what the exact date was. This is another clue of how remote the Watchtower is from Christianity.
The choice of Jesus' birthday on December 25 had absolutely nothing to do with the Saturnalia. RUclips video by bible scholar on Religion for Breakfast: ruclips.net/video/5lsctaPJSvo/видео.html
Hey did you guys (commenters) know that once you leave the cult, no one is *forcing* you to make nice with and like everyone? It’s called actual free will. Hope this helps ❤
January is named after roman god Janus. May is named after Roman goddess Maia. June is named after Roman goddess Juno. July is named after Julius Caesar. August is named after Augustus Caesar. Apparently the JW's are worshipping Satan by using such a pagan calendar.
In theory they could celebrate all holidays.. just change them, they dont have to do same with everyone lol.. like birthdays could be call anniversaries and Thanksgiving could be in fact glory to God.. the amount of poeple they could have if they change their stance in everything and became normal.. those poeple are too lame to ever think that way..
Jesus celebrated the human-instituted feast of the dedication (John 10:22-23) commemorating the Maccabees' rebellion, rooted in pagan tradition of celebrating military victories. Looks like the JW's know better than Jesus what's pagan or not 😂
Awesome breakdown. I never understood why they decorate the Kingdom Hall with bouquets of flowers on the memorial when their website clearly states that flower bouquets connected with death and burials are pagan🤷♂️
I can understand the Lloyd Evans hate since he’s actually a genuine POS, and especially because he was in a public place attempting to do what looked like stand up comedy. But why you choose to shit on Wally? He’s a stand up guy and one of the better exJW creators. You aren’t allowed to police when exJW choose to share their trauma or opinions about certain topics, ESPECIALLY when he’s doing it on HIS platform on HIS CHANNEL. Sorry man, your content is usually top tier, but I think you missed the mark on this one and should apologize.
23:30 Caleb let's play hide and seek. I will hide and you will seek professional help. Seriously, what were you even thinking with this clip? Your sheer callousness and obvious envy is jarring. I'm glad I unsubbed a long time ago.
Unsubbed but still watching and complaining. Brilliant.
@@adamantiumbullet9215thanks I am quite brilliant
@@adamantiumbullet9215 so you can't watch videos from ppl you have un-subbed from? 😂 Who made you RUclips police?
@@serghurt56
Did I say you couldn't watch un-subbed videos? No, fragile boy.
@@serghurt56 Really? trying to cover this random person who is just complaining! and guilting for shit?
Christmas is expensive, and Watchtower wants that money.
21:29 is when this video should've have ended my friend.
He's had this really odd obsession with Wally for a while now 😂
I was a born in . I never had a Christmas as a child. When I left at 18 and subsequently had children of my own, I made sure we had a tree, presents and everything else every year. The consumerism aspect was lost on me, as I loved giving (and 🛍 shopping!) . The watchtower will never again wrap their tentacles around my ability to enjoy my life
I think the best thing about being an exjw is making your own traditions and doing what feels comfortable to you.
I feel very indifferent to christmas, I don’t feel the need to celebrate just because I’m not a witness anymore. It doesn’t mean I hate it.
I’ve got kids and they are getting curious so it will likely evolve as the get older, and that’s fine with me too.
We are the only ones in our family that have left so it feels quite lonely. I don’t resent my other friends that have big family Christmas meals, I’m happy that’s their situation.
I think that it can be milestone in our lives that we can reflect on our year and our personal journeys so your comment about trauma dumping is a bit harsh.
Altogether it’s not so black and white as you make out for exjws. In my experience plenty of never JW’s don’t even like Christmas and don’t celebrate like you describe
You get an incomplete on the assignment because you turned in this project like three weeks too late
So unnecessary to bring other EXJW content creators into this.
Ya he needs help, so unnecessarily nasty for 0 reason
Is this an ongoing drama? I just started watching some of these channels and the last few minutes of this vid feel so out of nowhere.
You had me until you decided to snip out Wally's clip at 24 minutes about his path to sobriety. That is LOW. I normally make the "golly jee willikers" jokes on your channel but no Dani, that was shameful. Do better and swallow your pride, you continue to make yourself look bad.
Yeah, I don't get what the point here was. Wally doesn't have a problem with Christmas, unlike Evens. Is there any beef between them? Of all the ex jw community, I find Wally the least confrontational.
@unclefranklin4575 Dani has had personal beef with Wally for quite a while and spoke out on multiple platforms including Twitter/X. Wally has attempted to deescalate in some of his videos by discreetly saying things like "we can disagree". Some of his videos clearly contain messages intended for Dani because he knows that Dani is obsessed with him.
The entire thing shows that Dani has a LOT of growing up to do. He enjoys attacking other youtubers that have different views than him and behaves like a child.
My wife once defended Wally, and Dani responded with a comment that basically called her a pdf file. Again, he behaves like a child.
@unclefranklin4575 lol. Yeah he is such a child that he even deleted my comment responding to you. Keep it up Dani. Real brave of u bro 👏
yeah moment made me feel gross just to watch
@@Shawn-zw5eoRUclips often censors comments before they make it to the channel even with the uploaders sets things to be manually approved. Maybe he did but please consider that RUclips might have also deleted your comment.
LOL you've trauma dumped plenty of times on this channel, especially relating to your family and previous gfs. You do know that videos like this won't exactly cause a rise in viewership right? Especially because Xmas happened nearly a month ago already. So instead you're relying on malicious obloquy.
how is it malicious?
I don't like this guy, Wally and altworldy are the more analytic and balanced kind of content creators, open about their own issues too. But hey that's the beauty of not having to agree with everyone, like we had to do with GB.
Well said
They are being very careful about what changes they make. Allowing beards was easy because no one is really physically harmed by being not allowed to grow a beard. So no one can come after them legally for ever restricting beards. Its those policies that have actually caused physical and mental harm(shunning, CSA coverup, blood policy) that they will never change because with those people could absolutely come after them legally for harm done.
to quote the great Troy Barnes of community: Beacuse I am Jehovah’s most secret witness so I might have to dedicate my life to Christmas”
Great video, but don’t dump on to other ex JW channels. Each to their own.
I don't enforce unity since I left the cult. I now know nobody is beyond criticism.
@ExJWCaleb with peace and love my friend ✌🏼, forced unity on beliefs in the ex JW community and dragging others content are kinda separate in my view. You can make a point without talking yourself up and talking others down. Like I said, great insightful video though.
I don't think my criticism towards larger content creators is "dragging", especially when it comes to me commenting about what I consider to be toxic views that they're spreading towards my audience, and I would have no issues with someone doing the same to me. As you can see from our conversation, I like to engage with people who think differently than me.
@ExJWCaleb yes matey, I get your view. But to be fair, what you consider a toxic view is just your perspective and not necessarily true. The other creators have lived experiences that they are working through and talking about too, which is also just their perspective. They shouldn’t be villainized for it. You could make your point without calling two specific people out, after all you all share an audience. Anyway, it’s all inconsequential at the end of the day, moving on friend ✌🏼
Man made celebration,nah thank you Quit touching the unclean thing
My ex-mother-in-law, who was a JW since the early 80s, used to say on days like Christmas and Mother's day that she would not accept any gifts on those days because she did not celebrate those pagan holidays. She would say that she could recieve the gifts the following day. So weird.
Do people not realize they can celebrate Christmas without having to buy gifts or spend a bunch of money, if they are so afraid of the consumerism aspect of it?
I bet when they celebrated Christmas they never said 'happy holidays' 🤮
I bet they will soon make a winter holiday called "jehovah's day" as a loop hole with jehovah themed gifts
When you said 'chronology' I misheard 'phrenology,' another thing they used to believe in, but don't anymore.
Yep, the one true religion.
Simply put: Watch Tower is anti-fun.
As one of your viewers who was never JW I find your explanation for winter holidays to be very interesting, as an outsider this is one of the things I know JWs do and I thought this is something that made them a bit more consistent than other groups at the very least if they were going to be fundamentalist about the Bible (until I later found out about some of the other practices through channels like yours). So in the act of rejecting the holiday they end making their own in the process (a sort of religious Festivus since that one is also supposed to be critical of Christmas in some way), at least that’s what I’m getting from this video.
I grew up Catholic and was pretty devout about it for several years and even back then I already knew about the origins of Christmas and it didn’t really bother me since we didn’t believe in just the Bible after all, JW missionaries may have called us idolaters and Pagans but this was never really brought up in these debates.
I was studying with a witness and i was sent a link saying that jehovah punishes people who celebrate xmas and she told me in a snide way to "help you know how to feel about the holiday's" knowing how much i love spending the time with my family etc. Honestly if they don't want to celebrate Christmas by their own logic then their employers should get them to work over that time and they shouldn't be able to buy anything in the sales because in these ways these things are still "worldly" and to do with Christmas
I have no hate. Just my opinion.
BTW, Christmas was not "birthday of Jesus" as the JW's seem to believe, it was a celebration of God's epiphany, that is manifestation of God on Earth, it was one feast with Epiphany (January 6th), that's why nobody cared what the exact date was. This is another clue of how remote the Watchtower is from Christianity.
The choice of Jesus' birthday on December 25 had absolutely nothing to do with the Saturnalia. RUclips video by bible scholar on Religion for Breakfast: ruclips.net/video/5lsctaPJSvo/видео.html
Hey did you guys (commenters) know that once you leave the cult, no one is *forcing* you to make nice with and like everyone? It’s called actual free will. Hope this helps ❤
Lloyd Evans is a joke himself.
January is named after roman god Janus. May is named after Roman goddess Maia. June is named after Roman goddess Juno. July is named after Julius Caesar. August is named after Augustus Caesar. Apparently the JW's are worshipping Satan by using such a pagan calendar.
The days of the week in English are for Norse gods and goddesses . In the Romance languages it’s the Roman gods and goddesses
@@dancingnature Yes, and they're their counterparts: Monday-lunedì after moon goddess Luna, Tuesday-martedì after war god Mars and so on.
In theory they could celebrate all holidays.. just change them, they dont have to do same with everyone lol.. like birthdays could be call anniversaries and Thanksgiving could be in fact glory to God.. the amount of poeple they could have if they change their stance in everything and became normal.. those poeple are too lame to ever think that way..
Jesus celebrated Hannuka John 10:22. Same time as Christmas
Jesus celebrated the human-instituted feast of the dedication (John 10:22-23) commemorating the Maccabees' rebellion, rooted in pagan tradition of celebrating military victories. Looks like the JW's know better than Jesus what's pagan or not 😂
That was low man. Not cool. We have all been low before, no need to highlight another person's low.
Awesome breakdown. I never understood why they decorate the Kingdom Hall with bouquets of flowers on the memorial when their website clearly states that flower bouquets connected with death and burials are pagan🤷♂️
I can understand the Lloyd Evans hate since he’s actually a genuine POS, and especially because he was in a public place attempting to do what looked like stand up comedy. But why you choose to shit on Wally?
He’s a stand up guy and one of the better exJW creators. You aren’t allowed to police when exJW choose to share their trauma or opinions about certain topics, ESPECIALLY when he’s doing it on HIS platform on HIS CHANNEL.
Sorry man, your content is usually top tier, but I think you missed the mark on this one and should apologize.
Hey Caleb
Really good video !!!