They have upgraded the range They are saying that range will be > 200 km ( That too in real world , not under test conditions ) Hope the bike is up to the expectations Launching soon
Super soc TC max is absolutely gorgeous to ride. I'm mid mod on mine I get 100km range, ridden frugally in eco. Make sure you get the supercharger though. Also the great thing about electric bikes I hope... When solid state arrives you'll be able to swap out battery. ✌🏽❤️
Hey Umar, have you tried driving it in wet conditions (when it's rainy outside or even just damp)? And if so, how did it hold up in terms of handling and tyre friction?
@@frockz69 ridden in both conditions and two things to say: go really easy in the wet break easy in the wet. The dual breaking system doesn't help the front under steer in breaking so break early and gently. I'm upgrading tyres from factory set now and I know that helps. Taking off, because of the immediate torque to the rear, it can spin you out. Get to know it, respecting the weather and being really cautious. I've come off in the wet because of breaking late at very very slow speed. And I have recovered after sliding with too much power taking off. Mostly rider error though and the tyres I feel. The bike is very capable. Hope this helps. I love the bike. Saved a fortune and it's fantastic fun to ride. Oh and the app scans every journey you take and time and distance coverd. All in all its very very good✌🏽❤️
@@Oomzilla Thanks very much for the comprehensive response, definitely helps in my decision-making as this bike is one of few electric motorcycles available to me atm. Hope you have a great week!
Living in a US metro area, even if I just want to pop down the road to the grocery store I need 80-90 MPH or I'm going to get run down. Post Covid, people are going 20-30 MPH over the limit in the slow lane.
According to the update F77 will start delivering from 2023, they recently started test production run in their bengluru plant. In the first phase they will deliver to the domestic market and from the second phase they will start delivering to the USA and Europe.
I'm surprised they didn't mention the 96v Phantom F1 Pro , top speed between just under 100kmhr on GLA batteries, and a bit over 100kmhr on a 96v lithium.
They are getting close to being worthy of being called motorcycles but not yet ready for long distance traveling of highways seeing as most barely get to 50mph on the affordable models. One thing I haven't seen done on these electric motorcycles is a hand crank charger, a simple small alternator to hand crank to charge the battery would be handy if you run out of power in a remote area with no cell service. Could crank it for an hour off the road for say for an hour and get enough power to get to the next charging point. Then you'd never need to worry about being stranded. Another minute are the batteries and their prices, 1000charges isn't that many meaning a person that rides alot will have to buy batteries every 2 years give or take. This is common with regular motorcycles as batteries never last that long but those $100 batteries for a combustion engine don't cost near as much as a electronic motorcycle battery.
i'm all for electric motorcycles so I don't have to deal with crooked mechanics but these bikes won't make the cut for majority of riders in the US. They are not fast enough. In Los Angeles drivers/riders regularly go 90 mph on highways
In Canada these specific e-motorcycles are classified as ebikes and are therefore required by law to have functional pedals and are limited to max speed of 32km/hr. This allows riders of these to avoid registration, licensing and vehicle insurance. The real wattage of these bikes are much higher than 500Watt but must be advertised within legal requirements. They are between 2000 and 3000watts and can be unlocked or wires disconnected to travel at maximum real speeds.
Exactly! I have a Emmo DX (same bike, different stickers) and with two 30ah 72v batteries and the limiter disconnected it has a top speed of 75kmh and 120km range. Happily the cops in northern Ontario don't seemed bothered by an E-bike doing 65kmh on tertiary highways. The suspension is lacking however, no adjustability and not very sensitive. Easy to upgrade on Ali Express.
The sondors is OK, but they misses a trick with it. It has a huge hole that could have provided a place to carry the charger, with few tweaks put panels on each side and a holder for the charger. Shame non of their engineers thought of that.
Daymak EM4 In countries where you are allowed 500 watts this bike would be OK, but in countries such as the UK where this would have to register as a motorcycle or moped then no, which is a shame because I could see this as a commuter bike easily. But this bike for the UK Market would need a massive power boost to make it worthwhile, which is sad.
@@yorsan2240 Coal, Gas Fired, Oil Fired, Renewables and Nuclear. Where do the played-out batteries go? Do you know children are forced to mine the minerals to make the battery? Are you dumb?
@@truthxposed8975 What you are saying are myths propagated by traditional car makers and oil companies to slow down the switch away from fossil fuels. Serious studies have shown that electric mobility is several times more carbon efficient than ICE based mobility, from raw ore to the scrapyard. There's countless advantages of electric vehicles over ICE powered ones - regenerative braking, much simpler construction, much higher energy efficiency, much longer service life of parts, to name a few. The only downsides are that the technology is new and not as widespread, which makes it more expensive, and that battery energy density is low compared to fossil fuels. In five years from now, however, the battery energy density will double, at least, and the prices will come down as more and more companies start building and selling electric vehicles. At that time, an EV instead of an ICE powered one will be a no-brainer, both from the point of view of convenience and cost and from an environmental point of view. We're already there, environmentally, we still have to work on cost and autonomy.
I'm pretty sure the em4 is 500 watt and limited to 30km/h so that it is path legal across Canada. This lets you get away with riding wherever you want. I've seen one of these em4s pace my car at 50, talked to the guy later he said he just unlocked it in an app. edit: these other bikes are looking nicer and nicer every time I look up electric motorcycles.
@@techqboy6366 Yes pedal's and a 500w motor which is governed at 32kph. The pedal's are decoration litteraly impossible to use. The 500w can reach roughly 75kph max peak depends on battery configuration weight of rider and what gear you are using
I have a Daymak EM4 and there is no friggin way you get 90km out of a 72v20ah LI battery unless you have the rear on a jack. I have a 72v30ah LI and get just over 50km.
Hi Firoj39, thanks for the suggestion, had a quick look and it looks interesting, I will check it out in more detail and it could be in a future video, thanks for watching, have a great day.
Thanks for this excellent review of what's available in 2022 at a reasonable price. I'm looking for an electric commuter that can at least meet the minimum top speed and at least half the highway distance that I have now on my tiny 250CC gas powered bike, which is 140 km/hr and 150km range. Of the bikes listed here, the Ultraviolette F77 is there now if it can live up to it's specs on a highway. Unfortunately it's not available yet. Oh well, I look forward to your 2023 review. Daymak, I live in Toronto. Are you listening?
Hi J W, thanks for your comment, glad you found the video helpful, the Daymak is a lacking in the performance department, maybe they will update it soon, then that could be your answer. Maybe a while until the F77 is available in Canada if at all, good luck with your search,, have a great day.
Maybe not even one will be available in USA due to DOT restrictions that’s why is only few other brands available in USA because they meet DOT requirements
Tbh we can make a very good e bike under 5kusd, but its still unaffordable for majority of indians!it must seem like a "too good to be true" product to Americans right?
Kick scooters have more power top speed and portability. Sondors looks ok but ya needs helmet lock up. Top speed is a bummer so far... Look are good to go. No bike looks comfortable for 2 up riding.
Non-clickbait title: 5 best affordable electric scooters. Yes, "city commuting only" bikesmare effectively the same thing as 50cc scooters. And nope. 200 mile range matters diddle all if its "valid only within city limits".
As far as scamsperpetuated by this video the ultraviolette bike is the perfect example. It advertises 150km range, and a decnet top speed. What is not mentioned that the range is a fraction of that if you intend to use the thing at jighway speeds.
Dear Márton, sorry you feel some how duped by the the thumbnail. Here is some clarification, the electric motorbike in the thumbnail (Ultraviolette F77) is featured in the video, as one of the 5 electric motorbikes. There are no scooters in the video, therefore the title you suggest would be misleading to those looking for a video about scooters. Range that you can get from any motorbike, electric or internal combustion will vary upon how you ride it, I am sure that anyone who rides or drives is aware of this. Suggesting that providing a maximum range figure for a vehicle is a scam because at highway speeds it couldn't achieve that maximum range, is absurd. I provide the figures that are available for the motorbikes at the time of making the video, as mentioned in the video, the F77 is undergoing final prototype testing at the time of producing the video, if there are no highway range figures mentioned, you can conclude that they weren't available to me at the time. Granted the motorbikes here are not very powerful motorbikes, but they are under $6000, hence making them more affordable than more expensive, more powerful electric motorbikes with higher ranges. Just like with internal combustion engined motorbikes. I do have videos featuring electric bikes with more power and range, but the price is also too high to be featured in this video. With the exception of the Damon, the lack of power of which is referred to in the video, the other motorbikes here have equivalent power to at least a 125cc internal combustion engine or greater, not the 50cc you refer to. I found the best range of 5 electric motorbikes I could at the time, that were affordable (under $6000) and were available in different parts of the world, I would be happy to receive suggestions of other bikes that meet that criteria. As I asked at the end of the video, if you have any suggestions of electric motorbikes, that could feature here, with a price tag below $6000, that also provide more performance be it, power or range, feel free to drop it in a comment as others have been kind enough to do. Therefore the thumbnail represent the content of the video, which is why it is featured as such. It is not the intention to mislead anyone with thumbnails or any thing else in my videos, but to share an interest in motorbikes with others. Have a great day.
@@MotoChatter "Suggesting that providing a maximum range figure for a vehicle is a scam because at highway speeds it couldn't achieve that maximum range, is absurd." ...if its so absurd, why do internal combusion engine motorcycle base their range figures on that? Not to mention, how in the hell is it possible that energica's new electric touring bike actually features range figures that are not with the usual "*only within city limits"? What i meant by "its effectively 50cc" is that if you use it with performance hugher than a 50cc scooter, you won't get ay of the advertised specs.
Horwin - Available right now across Europe and Brazil. Daymak - Available right now in Canada Sondors - Available right now in the USA SuperSoco - Available right now across their 73 country dealer network. (As mentioned in the video) Ultraviolette F77 - As mentioned in the video, is undergoing final prototype testing in India and will be available there soon with the rest of the world to be announced. You may not like them, but all you need to buy them is the money and an internet connection, luck is not needed.
If it goes faster and farther because it's got a transmitten then it's a good thing. If it doesn't then it isn't. I don't care if it's twist n'go or shift.
It's the F77 that stands out the most! I must commend our Indian engineers and designers! Excellent work!
Sounds fishy though. Espescially that low price point for what you get
Ultraviolet is a pretty decent bike. Good charge time reasonable speed and OK range could be better.
They have upgraded the range
They are saying that range will be > 200 km
( That too in real world , not under test conditions )
Hope the bike is up to the expectations
Launching soon
@@aps_indian I really want to buy one at launch I just really hope its for sale ourside India!
these electric bikes are getting more interesting especially for commuting in towns and cities ,great video, thanks motochatter
F77 Noice 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯
I also like the CR6 pro nice bike, actually looks like a proper motorcycle.
F77 increased their range from 150 to 290kms
I just want a Honda-made electric Super Cub. Seriously, I’m more than happy with a 125 that I won’t look like an idiot riding in a sports coat.
I think Yatri P1 should be on the list too..
Yeah I was thinking same thing about sundar Metacycle, they should have made a lock box for helmet, ultra violette F77 is favorite
Super soc TC max is absolutely gorgeous to ride. I'm mid mod on mine I get 100km range, ridden frugally in eco. Make sure you get the supercharger though. Also the great thing about electric bikes I hope... When solid state arrives you'll be able to swap out battery. ✌🏽❤️
Hi Umar, thanks for sharing your experience and the useful info. Have a great day.
Hey Umar, have you tried driving it in wet conditions (when it's rainy outside or even just damp)? And if so, how did it hold up in terms of handling and tyre friction?
@@frockz69 ridden in both conditions and two things to say: go really easy in the wet break easy in the wet. The dual breaking system doesn't help the front under steer in breaking so break early and gently. I'm upgrading tyres from factory set now and I know that helps. Taking off, because of the immediate torque to the rear, it can spin you out. Get to know it, respecting the weather and being really cautious. I've come off in the wet because of breaking late at very very slow speed. And I have recovered after sliding with too much power taking off. Mostly rider error though and the tyres I feel. The bike is very capable. Hope this helps. I love the bike. Saved a fortune and it's fantastic fun to ride. Oh and the app scans every journey you take and time and distance coverd. All in all its very very good✌🏽❤️
@@Oomzilla Thanks very much for the comprehensive response, definitely helps in my decision-making as this bike is one of few electric motorcycles available to me atm. Hope you have a great week!
Living in a US metro area, even if I just want to pop down the road to the grocery store I need 80-90 MPH or I'm going to get run down. Post Covid, people are going 20-30 MPH over the limit in the slow lane.
According to the update F77 will start delivering from 2023, they recently started test production run in their bengluru plant. In the first phase they will deliver to the domestic market and from the second phase they will start delivering to the USA and Europe.
Hello and happy Friday everyone.
Thanks MotoChatter for another informative and thought-provoking video.
Appreciate your work.
Ultraviolet is promising bike.
1:00 100k of this bike?
I'm surprised they didn't mention the 96v Phantom F1 Pro , top speed between just under 100kmhr on GLA batteries, and a bit over 100kmhr on a 96v lithium.
I have a Voge ER10 is in the range of this motos and a very good option 😁
Hi João, thanks for the info I will check it out, have a great day.
Here in Canada you can use an automatic electric bike with less 70km/h speed like the super socco with a car driver or moped license
They are getting close to being worthy of being called motorcycles but not yet ready for long distance traveling of highways seeing as most barely get to 50mph on the affordable models.
One thing I haven't seen done on these electric motorcycles is a hand crank charger, a simple small alternator to hand crank to charge the battery would be handy if you run out of power in a remote area with no cell service. Could crank it for an hour off the road for say for an hour and get enough power to get to the next charging point. Then you'd never need to worry about being stranded.
Another minute are the batteries and their prices, 1000charges isn't that many meaning a person that rides alot will have to buy batteries every 2 years give or take. This is common with regular motorcycles as batteries never last that long but those $100 batteries for a combustion engine don't cost near as much as a electronic motorcycle battery.
i'm all for electric motorcycles so I don't have to deal with crooked mechanics but these bikes won't make the cut for majority of riders in the US. They are not fast enough. In Los Angeles drivers/riders regularly go 90 mph on highways
The MetaCycle does not have a removable battery. Sondors quietly removed the feature after receiving pre-orders.
Good production.
Ola s1 pro speed 115 km per hour,3.9kw, battery, 31 ltrs boot space, it's just a moped,it's a redesigned etergo app scooter
Great review
Horwin for me
It's the Meta cycle for me but I wish it had room for two.
In Canada these specific e-motorcycles are classified as ebikes and are therefore required by law to have functional pedals and are limited to max speed of 32km/hr. This allows riders of these to avoid registration, licensing and vehicle insurance. The real wattage of these bikes are much higher than 500Watt but must be advertised within legal requirements. They are between 2000 and 3000watts and can be unlocked or wires disconnected to travel at maximum real speeds.
Exactly! I have a Emmo DX (same bike, different stickers) and with two 30ah 72v batteries and the limiter disconnected it has a top speed of 75kmh and 120km range. Happily the cops in northern Ontario don't seemed bothered by an E-bike doing 65kmh on tertiary highways.
The suspension is lacking however, no adjustability and not very sensitive. Easy to upgrade on Ali Express.
You can get them as a LSM and register as moped if under 80km/h or get a bike license and run them full speed as a motorcycle
The sondors is OK, but they misses a trick with it.
It has a huge hole that could have provided a place to carry the charger, with few tweaks put panels on each side and a holder for the charger.
Shame non of their engineers thought of that.
Sondors is havin
Sondors customers are canceling ordes due bikes taking long time for shipping
How much are the replacement batteries?
Daymak EM4
In countries where you are allowed 500 watts this bike would be OK, but in countries such as the UK where this would have to register as a motorcycle or moped then no, which is a shame because I could see this as a commuter bike easily.
But this bike for the UK Market would need a massive power boost to make it worthwhile, which is sad.
Electric, hydrogen, renewable... let's hope we call all enjoy our passion for riding in more sustainable ways.
Thanks MotoChatter.
@@truthxposed8975 where did you get your info from ? Being dependent on oil companies is the worst choice of all
@@yorsan2240 Coal, Gas Fired, Oil Fired, Renewables and Nuclear. Where do the played-out batteries go? Do you know children are forced to mine the minerals to make the battery? Are you dumb?
@@truthxposed8975 What you are saying are myths propagated by traditional car makers and oil companies to slow down the switch away from fossil fuels. Serious studies have shown that electric mobility is several times more carbon efficient than ICE based mobility, from raw ore to the scrapyard. There's countless advantages of electric vehicles over ICE powered ones - regenerative braking, much simpler construction, much higher energy efficiency, much longer service life of parts, to name a few. The only downsides are that the technology is new and not as widespread, which makes it more expensive, and that battery energy density is low compared to fossil fuels. In five years from now, however, the battery energy density will double, at least, and the prices will come down as more and more companies start building and selling electric vehicles. At that time, an EV instead of an ICE powered one will be a no-brainer, both from the point of view of convenience and cost and from an environmental point of view. We're already there, environmentally, we still have to work on cost and autonomy.
You're lying.
@@truthxposed8975 You, in turn, bring strongly reasoned arguments into the discussion, thoroughly supported by facts ...
I'm pretty sure the em4 is 500 watt and limited to 30km/h so that it is path legal across Canada. This lets you get away with riding wherever you want. I've seen one of these em4s pace my car at 50, talked to the guy later he said he just unlocked it in an app. edit: these other bikes are looking nicer and nicer every time I look up electric motorcycles.
I think you need pedals to make it legal though
@@techqboy6366 Yes pedal's and a 500w motor which is governed at 32kph. The pedal's are decoration litteraly impossible to use. The 500w can reach roughly 75kph max peak depends on battery configuration weight of rider and what gear you are using
ultraviolet F77 has easy to remove 3 battery packs so u can keep one at home charging
Ultraviolet F77 wyglada najcfajniej z wszystkich, ale niestety nie mozna jezdzic nim na prawo jazdy kat.b (samochód) 😔
The ts street hunter is a 45 kph bike
Shame about the distance, I would definately buy one if the distance was better.
I feel like for 3k dollars a used local motorcycle would be a better option
What are the best electric unicycles to buy?
I have a Daymak EM4 and there is no friggin way you get 90km out of a 72v20ah LI battery unless you have the rear on a jack. I have a 72v30ah LI and get just over 50km.
Why dont you review on yatri p0 bike gives 250 km per charge and support supercharge charging 80% in just 40 mins
Hi Firoj39, thanks for the suggestion, had a quick look and it looks interesting, I will check it out in more detail and it could be in a future video, thanks for watching, have a great day.
I do imagine just eh amount of money you save on maintenance (discount battery) already pay for the extra price.
They just launched the f77 expect to pay atleast 6500 usd
These all seem pretty compelling for the city but I wouldn't want to take anything so low powered on the highway.
Thanks for this excellent review of what's available in 2022 at a reasonable price. I'm looking for an electric commuter that can at least meet the minimum top speed and at least half the highway distance that I have now on my tiny 250CC gas powered bike, which is 140 km/hr and 150km range. Of the bikes listed here, the Ultraviolette F77 is there now if it can live up to it's specs on a highway. Unfortunately it's not available yet. Oh well, I look forward to your 2023 review. Daymak, I live in Toronto. Are you listening?
Hi J W, thanks for your comment, glad you found the video helpful, the Daymak is a lacking in the performance department, maybe they will update it soon, then that could be your answer. Maybe a while until the F77 is available in Canada if at all, good luck with your search,, have a great day.
Maybe not even one will be available in USA due to DOT restrictions that’s why is only few other brands available in USA because they meet DOT requirements
India if you see this make this bike cheap in the us so we can make it a Big Bang bros help us so you can grow the company
Tbh we can make a very good e bike under 5kusd, but its still unaffordable for majority of indians!it must seem like a "too good to be true" product to Americans right?
TROMOX UKKO S?
I think the F77 cost 41k UDS
No, it cost 3.8 lakh in indian rupee. Which is approximately $-4750 usd.
Kick scooters have more power top speed and portability. Sondors looks ok but ya needs helmet lock up. Top speed is a bummer so far... Look are good to go. No bike looks comfortable for 2 up riding.
There is zero chance of the Ultraviolette F77 being $4000.
Right!?
Sondors metacycle battle is not easily removable. There is no removable lock to slide the battery out. This video is incorrect
will it cost $2000 to replace the battery every 2 years?
Which one?
Which one?
la super soco ts street hunter non ha 200km di autonomia.
Yes and its not 75 kph
I thought you said affordable
come to india pls
Available but not available
So much care for the enviroment, but If you can't hear the engine sound, then it's no worth the bike....
No one of this bikes is available in USA so why you not check internet and reviewing what people can buy now and not waiting months or even years
Ultraviolet f77 is $3,000,000
that's in Indian rupees, it's around usd 4000
20mph isn't quick enough to get you out of trouble, 40 at least will gibe you low down grunt
Ryvid Anthem
why does a motorcycle need an app?
I asked myself the same question when i bought my marshall tufton portable speaker
I live in Montreal Quebec the laws and regulation for these are lame 😣
An electric bike with a chain! No!
Bike is to expensive.
Non-clickbait title: 5 best affordable electric scooters.
Yes, "city commuting only" bikesmare effectively the same thing as 50cc scooters.
And nope.
200 mile range matters diddle all if its "valid only within city limits".
As far as scamsperpetuated by this video the ultraviolette bike is the perfect example.
It advertises 150km range, and a decnet top speed.
What is not mentioned that the range is a fraction of that if you intend to use the thing at jighway speeds.
Dear Márton, sorry you feel some how duped by the the thumbnail.
Here is some clarification, the electric motorbike in the thumbnail (Ultraviolette F77) is featured in the video, as one of the 5 electric motorbikes.
There are no scooters in the video, therefore the title you suggest would be misleading to those looking for a video about scooters.
Range that you can get from any motorbike, electric or internal combustion will vary upon how you ride it, I am sure that anyone who rides or drives is aware of this.
Suggesting that providing a maximum range figure for a vehicle is a scam because at highway speeds it couldn't achieve that maximum range, is absurd.
I provide the figures that are available for the motorbikes at the time of making the video, as mentioned in the video, the F77 is undergoing final prototype testing at the time of producing the video, if there are no highway range figures mentioned, you can conclude that they weren't available to me at the time.
Granted the motorbikes here are not very powerful motorbikes, but they are under $6000, hence making them more affordable than more expensive, more powerful electric motorbikes with higher ranges. Just like with internal combustion engined motorbikes.
I do have videos featuring electric bikes with more power and range, but the price is also too high to be featured in this video.
With the exception of the Damon, the lack of power of which is referred to in the video, the other motorbikes here have equivalent power to at least a 125cc internal combustion engine or greater, not the 50cc you refer to.
I found the best range of 5 electric motorbikes I could at the time, that were affordable (under $6000) and were available in different parts of the world, I would be happy to receive suggestions of other bikes that meet that criteria.
As I asked at the end of the video, if you have any suggestions of electric motorbikes, that could feature here, with a price tag below $6000, that also provide more performance be it, power or range, feel free to drop it in a comment as others have been kind enough to do.
Therefore the thumbnail represent the content of the video, which is why it is featured as such.
It is not the intention to mislead anyone with thumbnails or any thing else in my videos, but to share an interest in motorbikes with others.
Have a great day.
@@MotoChatter
"Suggesting that providing a maximum range figure for a vehicle is a scam because at highway speeds it couldn't achieve that maximum range, is absurd."
...if its so absurd, why do internal combusion engine motorcycle base their range figures on that?
Not to mention, how in the hell is it possible that energica's new electric touring bike actually features range figures that are not with the usual "*only within city limits"?
What i meant by "its effectively 50cc" is that if you use it with performance hugher than a 50cc scooter, you won't get ay of the advertised specs.
Good luck finding any of this shit to actually can be bought
Horwin - Available right now across Europe and Brazil.
Daymak - Available right now in Canada
Sondors - Available right now in the USA
SuperSoco - Available right now across their 73 country dealer network. (As mentioned in the video)
Ultraviolette F77 - As mentioned in the video, is undergoing final prototype testing in India and will be available there soon with the rest of the world to be announced.
You may not like them, but all you need to buy them is the money and an internet connection, luck is not needed.
@@MotoChatter nopeeeeeee. Sanders isn't available... none of these r in America
@@MotoChatter... u r full of shit... I have money and internet
Pre order doesnt count as getting them in my opinion...
True cant find anywhere
Alll to slow , way to slow ..
Who wants an electric motorcycle with manual gears? 😞
If it goes faster and farther because it's got a transmitten then it's a good thing. If it doesn't then it isn't. I don't care if it's twist n'go or shift.