I’ll add to the subject if someone is considering moving to Bozeman. I’ve lived and worked there on and off for years. Just like about anywhere in America it’s not the same as it was. Rent is ridiculously high. The college has expanded enrollment which doesn’t help the already overcrowded roads. There’s a huge influx of west coasters a big part of the reason the cost of buying a house has skyrocketed. Also crime has increased. In one month last year it was reported there were 30 broken car window robberies at hiking trail parking areas. Homeless population is growing you will find their vehicles parked on some roads. If you’re looking to escape places like L.A welcome to the new L.A. Oh and also talk to Montana Sheriffs and ask them about active drug cartels in Montana. Maybe best to move a bit out of the city and use Bozeman as your hub if you are considering a Montana move. Still a cool town…just not the same as it was.
The problem with any city is that democratic liberals move there or are already there with their crappy way of viewing the law and wanting big government. These people flee the government from one area because they are too draconian and then take the same mindset with them elsewhere. Beyond comprehension. Now, anyone reading This will automatically assume that I'm a Republican. However, I am a-political and a political atheist believing that All of politics is corrupt which it is. That said, I would much rather live next to a republican than a democrat. While both are brainwashed politically, at least every republican isn't so high up in the clouds with placing emotions over facts. Lastly, The definition of a woman is a person who can give birth end of story.
A lot of those cars and campers are the working poor who can't afford or were pushed out of the rental they were in due to the huge rate hike. Don't assume they are jobless. My rent went up over $500 in a year. I'll be homeless if they hit me again.
@@Abasinphq I think your right. I worked some new construction last month off of Baxter it seemed different than homeless camps. The cars and campers a place to sleep and than off to work.
This is a great video. I have lived here for 17 years and the growth is extremely dissapointing. I miss how the town used to be small and quiet. This should be spread over the internet like wildfire.
Cali has gotten so bad it's even got its own reputation, you don't even have to live there or visit to know it ain't friendly anymore. It's like every other bad spot now, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, etc. So sad. Never been to Bozeman but I hate to see an awesome place in Montana going down that way. Cheers from San Diego, Ca.
Bozeman is nice, but has been wrecked by some of the people that moved here. It was a sleepy, cool town before, and now it has a lot of nice people, but some drive recklessly. There is a litter problem around the area, and instead of people buying up homes to make money off others, they should have those freed up for others to buy. Barking dogs, noise, cram and jam housing is some of the negatives. Not all videos on youtube will talk about these things, or crime or the crazy amount of wildfire smoke you can breathe here at times. It's super expensive. There is a lot of nice beauty around the area, but you have to have time, make time or have money to see it. Pretty much if you don't have money, or housing from before, I wouldn't recommend coming to live here. There are no rental guidelines (like price caps) that I know of. I hope others will realize the impact on a community by raising or trying to raise home or rental prices. For me Bozeman looked like a place I loved when I came back after being gone a long time, and now it's a place I'm leaving. I hope everyone thinks about what it's like for everyone who has left a place they wanted to be. My prayers go out to Montana, and I hope it is a light for the country, and that greed would not be a problem.
Cost of living is up everywhere. Here in Houston, prices have jumped 40% in 3 years. Sorry folks, the bank bailouts of 2008 and 15 years of free money- and Wall Street hedge funds snatching up millions of homes, COVID construction crunch, have more to do with high prices and housing cost than anything else. Montana winter?? Try Houston summer- you’ll beg for cold…Houston had suffocating 100+ degrees and 95% humidity for almost 2 months. It was literally Hell outside- and a severe drought!! Water restrictions, eye popping power bills for 24/7 running A/C, up 100-200% over last year… brown, dead trees, grass and plants everywhere from blistering heat and no rain…Literally couldnt go outside without suffocating… and wildfires!! Hazy hot gray smoke and smell in 105 degree temps. Haven’t even mentioned the swarms of bugs that attack you- and infest your house to escape the heat. Bozeman may have its issues, but it could be worse. Manage your growth, encourage blue collar workers and trades with affordable housing, transportation, and low taxes- sorry but taxing high income out of staters is a good idea to keep the community thriving, stabilize housing prices, and maintain public services. It’s a complex formula but if greed prevails, you’ll ruin what you have left.
I grew up in Bozeman, it was great then. Last time I went back, it was one big suburb and that was like 20 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now, but I can't afford to find out 😂
I already live here and this video randomly popped up on my feed, but I found it to be a very honest and accurate description. I expand Spring to include warmer winter so for me, Spring is the best and lasts for four months! But yes, Fall is often blink and you’ll miss it, and no one ever mentions that, and the smoke in late summer is real and easy to forget about when it’s still months away from fire season - we have four air filters in our house!
Solid honest take, wife and I were very fortunate to land a place at the end of 2020 before the train left the station. I would suggest that anyone that wants to move here be VERY certain that they have a high paying job and or a very solid amount of money packed away. I wouldn't trade living here for most places but I am well aware that the housing situation here is insane.
Graduated from MSU in 2015, many of the talking points discussed in this video were true in 2015 and are more amplified today. The TERRIBLE (no insulation in the ceiling or walls, single pane glass, gap underneath the front door, tiny water heater, door had been kicked in previously and put back together with finishing nails and painted over) 3 bedroom apartment that I rented in 2015 cost 800 dollars. That same apartment now goes for 2000, and I guarantee it hasn't been remodelled. My point is this, the idyllic city nestled in the Galatin valley is not for those without a high paying job. It sucks, it's not fair, but it's the reality of the situation. As existing residents are being squeezed by rent the homeless population can only increase. I disagree with the political assessment, I would say Bozeman is purple and shouldn't be categorized as red or blue. Lastly, what is not mentioned is how terrible and non existent the formal clothing shopping experience is in Bozeman. Want to buy a suit? Forget about it, you'll have to go to Billings. You'll struggle to find stores that carry dress shirts or slacks. While not a deal breaker, it should be noted because if you want any sort of formal clothing you're going to have to either order online or go to Billings/Missoula. I would say that to a lesser extent this is even true for casual clothing.
I’m a Bozeman resident with two kids, and this is a pretty honest take on current Bozeman. I’d like to point out that the community is feeling more and more like a retirement community for well-to-do baby boomers. To this end, the city has made some horrible decisions regarding “high density” housing downtown that only caters to the very wealthy who need their largely unoccupied ski pads in Montana, rather than encouraging younger professional families to live downtown. What’s worse is that teachers, nurses, builders, plumbers, HVAC technicians, auto mechanics, city maintenance workers, and other blue collar folk, who actually keep the place functioning, are all getting priced out. This is leaving what has started to feel like a shell of community with unreliable services. Lastly, Fall in Montana, while pretty (and indeed short), is nothing in comparison to the colors of the Northeast. Spring is likewise haphazard and short. The summers are glorious, except in the smoky years, which are not uncommon.
I agree that home affordability is a major issue here. Houses right downtown are never affordable so that's not what those projects were meant to be. The city doesn't set the price point for those projects they just approve them. You can't build affordable housing on premium lots. We need more density on the outskirts of Bozeman and Belgrade that won't demand the higher price of downtown. It's are to achieve affordability when demand is so high. We need a lot more units to meet demand
This is a long comment... 1) What are you talking about? Good paying jobs are hard to come by anywhere in Montana. 2) Another thing to consider is the wild life, we actually have large predators, such as black bears, grizzly bears, mountain lions, wolves, coyotes, bob cats, and lynx. The good news is bob cats and lynx won't eat you, but they can mess you up. 3) Back when I was a kid, a nice house went for five digits. By nice, I'm talking about a four bed 2.5 bath with an acre. Now that same place would fetch seven digits easy. I call that stupid expensive dew to popular inflation. That is to say, when a place becomes popular, prices inflate. Montana doesn't want to be popular. The more the prices inflate the harder it is to survive here. If the people at the bottom can't survive, then we are looking at economic collapse. The increase of homelessness is evidence that economic collapse is just around the corner. Like I said before, It is hard to find a good paying job anywhere in Montana, not just Bozeman. 4) My most controversial statement yet, politics. It has been said that "all politics is local" and it works that same way here. Two things I want you to know A) human rights are enough for any one, advocating for demographic rights over all the other demographics is supremacy. You don't have to be "white" to be a supremacist, you just have to think you deserve more rights than others. And B) A Montanan with their gun belong together like air in the lungs. Did I mention the wild beasts that will try to eat you and your kids?
Animals have never scared me the people moving to Montana do and Californians are some how not as bad as people from Washington Montana is screwed hard best bet is circle
yeah that's really sad for people like you who dont fit a specific demographic. you get socially pushed out, and that's unamerican when you think of the melting pot
Cloudy with very very few clear sunny days windy dangerously cold sub standard hospitals I know what I am talking about because I lived in Fargo for five years Frankly I do not think that anyone should live up there Animals maybe Wyoming is another dreary place
Bozeman and Missoula are Democrat cities, don't expect to find a living economy in these cities. And snow and cold will have you crying for mercy. Unless you are economically stable and not effected by winter weather, DON'T move to Montana!
I'd rather have winter than 47 straight days or whatever it's been of OVER 100 DEGREES in Louisiana OVER 100 degrees that Bozeman winter looks really inviting right now
I haven't had troubles with bagging a buck in the last few years, you just gotta know where to get em. That being said, if you find a wolf on your property, you know what they say; shoot, shovel, shut up
@@HarrisGroupMT I’m in NW Indiana. Even though our winters have gotten milder they can get a little rough especially with lake effect snow but nothing like yours. Eventually the plan is to move close to the Smokies so we can have the mountains and milder winters.
@@markcampanelli Yeah I wasnt suggesting being killed by a wild animal was highly likely, im saying those animals exist there where they dont in the bulk of the US. Much more likely to die from suicide than anything probably.
As a Bozeman native aged 60 plus, this comment is a perfect example of the attitude we natives (and freedom-loving transplants) are referring to when we bemoan the transformation of this cattle / AG town into the next Vail with a dose of LA mentality sprinkled in.
![Moving to Bozeman Montana PROS and CONS [THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW - UPDATE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/x39MB2TkWB0/mqdefault.jpg)
I’ll add to the subject if someone is considering moving to Bozeman. I’ve lived and worked there on and off for years. Just like about anywhere in America it’s not the same as it was. Rent is ridiculously high. The college has expanded enrollment which doesn’t help the already overcrowded roads. There’s a huge influx of west coasters a big part of the reason the cost of buying a house has skyrocketed. Also crime has increased. In one month last year it was reported there were 30 broken car window robberies at hiking trail parking areas. Homeless population is growing you will find their vehicles parked on some roads. If you’re looking to escape places like L.A welcome to the new L.A. Oh and also talk to Montana Sheriffs and ask them about active drug cartels in Montana. Maybe best to move a bit out of the city and use Bozeman as your hub if you are considering a Montana move. Still a cool town…just not the same as it was.
The problem with any city is that democratic liberals move there or are already there with their crappy way of viewing the law and wanting big government. These people flee the government from one area because they are too draconian and then take the same mindset with them elsewhere. Beyond comprehension.
Now, anyone reading This will automatically assume that I'm a Republican. However, I am a-political and a political atheist believing that All of politics is corrupt which it is. That said, I would much rather live next to a republican than a democrat. While both are brainwashed politically, at least every republican isn't so high up in the clouds with placing emotions over facts. Lastly, The definition of a woman is a person who can give birth end of story.
A lot of those cars and campers are the working poor who can't afford or were pushed out of the rental they were in due to the huge rate hike. Don't assume they are jobless. My rent went up over $500 in a year. I'll be homeless if they hit me again.
@@Abasinphq I think your right. I worked some new construction last month off of Baxter it seemed different than homeless camps. The cars and campers a place to sleep and than off to work.
I have seen it as a mix, and it depends on which camp it is. Different areas of town tend to have a different demographics street camping.
Wow….that happens when libtards invade.
This is a great video. I have lived here for 17 years and the growth is extremely dissapointing. I miss how the town used to be small and quiet. This should be spread over the internet like wildfire.
Honestly I'm surprised Bozeman stayed as small as it did for as long as it did. This is such an incredible area. Growth was inevitable.
Thank you now I am determined not to ever go back to Montana!
I was born and raised in Bozeman...They have completely ruined it. I had to move away. It's like a mini Cali. No thanks.
Lmao good riddance
Cali has gotten so bad it's even got its own reputation, you don't even have to live there or visit to know it ain't friendly anymore. It's like every other bad spot now, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, etc. So sad. Never been to Bozeman but I hate to see an awesome place in Montana going down that way.
Cheers from San Diego, Ca.
@@7resist7tyranny7 It's been quite a few years ago when I visited San Diego. It was beautiful...loved it. Take care.
I am with you bozeman was never that great anyway
It fake pretentious and filled with baby boomers
I hope most took the vaxx and all the boosters
Bozeman is nice, but has been wrecked by some of the people that moved here. It was a sleepy, cool town before, and now it has a lot of nice people, but some drive recklessly. There is a litter problem around the area, and instead of people buying up homes to make money off others, they should have those freed up for others to buy. Barking dogs, noise, cram and jam housing is some of the negatives. Not all videos on youtube will talk about these things, or crime or the crazy amount of wildfire smoke you can breathe here at times. It's super expensive. There is a lot of nice beauty around the area, but you have to have time, make time or have money to see it. Pretty much if you don't have money, or housing from before, I wouldn't recommend coming to live here. There are no rental guidelines (like price caps) that I know of. I hope others will realize the impact on a community by raising or trying to raise home or rental prices. For me Bozeman looked like a place I loved when I came back after being gone a long time, and now it's a place I'm leaving. I hope everyone thinks about what it's like for everyone who has left a place they wanted to be. My prayers go out to Montana, and I hope it is a light for the country, and that greed would not be a problem.
I was born and raised in Bozeman. I had to move. Looks and acts like a mini Cali. No thanks.
Agreed. The worst is probably high rent prices. If you are making around 100k or over living in Bozeman should be comfortable.
Cost of living is up everywhere. Here in Houston, prices have jumped 40% in 3 years. Sorry folks, the bank bailouts of 2008 and 15 years of free money- and Wall Street hedge funds snatching up millions of homes, COVID construction crunch, have more to do with high prices and housing cost than anything else. Montana winter?? Try Houston summer- you’ll beg for cold…Houston had suffocating 100+ degrees and 95% humidity for almost 2 months. It was literally Hell outside- and a severe drought!! Water restrictions, eye popping power bills for 24/7 running A/C, up 100-200% over last year… brown, dead trees, grass and plants everywhere from blistering heat and no rain…Literally couldnt go outside without suffocating… and wildfires!! Hazy hot gray smoke and smell in 105 degree temps. Haven’t even mentioned the swarms of bugs that attack you- and infest your house to escape the heat. Bozeman may have its issues, but it could be worse. Manage your growth, encourage blue collar workers and trades with affordable housing, transportation, and low taxes- sorry but taxing high income out of staters is a good idea to keep the community thriving, stabilize housing prices, and maintain public services. It’s a complex formula but if greed prevails, you’ll ruin what you have left.
A lot of good points here. I will take cold over heat all day long .
I grew up in Bozeman, it was great then. Last time I went back, it was one big suburb and that was like 20 years ago. I can't imagine how bad it is now, but I can't afford to find out 😂
I already live here and this video randomly popped up on my feed, but I found it to be a very honest and accurate description. I expand Spring to include warmer winter so for me, Spring is the best and lasts for four months! But yes, Fall is often blink and you’ll miss it, and no one ever mentions that, and the smoke in late summer is real and easy to forget about when it’s still months away from fire season - we have four air filters in our house!
Of course I know I would never make enough to live there anyway. It's sad that our most beautiful places or so out of reach for all of us
Solid honest take, wife and I were very fortunate to land a place at the end of 2020 before the train left the station. I would suggest that anyone that wants to move here be VERY certain that they have a high paying job and or a very solid amount of money packed away. I wouldn't trade living here for most places but I am well aware that the housing situation here is insane.
Good timing
@@HarrisGroupMT no joke
Graduated from MSU in 2015, many of the talking points discussed in this video were true in 2015 and are more amplified today. The TERRIBLE (no insulation in the ceiling or walls, single pane glass, gap underneath the front door, tiny water heater, door had been kicked in previously and put back together with finishing nails and painted over) 3 bedroom apartment that I rented in 2015 cost 800 dollars. That same apartment now goes for 2000, and I guarantee it hasn't been remodelled. My point is this, the idyllic city nestled in the Galatin valley is not for those without a high paying job. It sucks, it's not fair, but it's the reality of the situation. As existing residents are being squeezed by rent the homeless population can only increase.
I disagree with the political assessment, I would say Bozeman is purple and shouldn't be categorized as red or blue.
Lastly, what is not mentioned is how terrible and non existent the formal clothing shopping experience is in Bozeman. Want to buy a suit? Forget about it, you'll have to go to Billings. You'll struggle to find stores that carry dress shirts or slacks. While not a deal breaker, it should be noted because if you want any sort of formal clothing you're going to have to either order online or go to Billings/Missoula. I would say that to a lesser extent this is even true for casual clothing.
Living in Bozeman is still better than living in any regular suburban area. Well, as long as you get a reasonably priced housing.
I’m a Bozeman resident with two kids, and this is a pretty honest take on current Bozeman.
I’d like to point out that the community is feeling more and more like a retirement community for well-to-do baby boomers. To this end, the city has made some horrible decisions regarding “high density” housing downtown that only caters to the very wealthy who need their largely unoccupied ski pads in Montana, rather than encouraging younger professional families to live downtown. What’s worse is that teachers, nurses, builders, plumbers, HVAC technicians, auto mechanics, city maintenance workers, and other blue collar folk, who actually keep the place functioning, are all getting priced out. This is leaving what has started to feel like a shell of community with unreliable services.
Lastly, Fall in Montana, while pretty (and indeed short), is nothing in comparison to the colors of the Northeast. Spring is likewise haphazard and short. The summers are glorious, except in the smoky years, which are not uncommon.
I agree that home affordability is a major issue here. Houses right downtown are never affordable so that's not what those projects were meant to be. The city doesn't set the price point for those projects they just approve them. You can't build affordable housing on premium lots. We need more density on the outskirts of Bozeman and Belgrade that won't demand the higher price of downtown. It's are to achieve affordability when demand is so high. We need a lot more units to meet demand
Good review, thanks.
bro we live in terry montana and we regularly run around and hunt so mind your own and let us hunt
This is a long comment...
1) What are you talking about? Good paying jobs are hard to come by anywhere in Montana.
2) Another thing to consider is the wild life, we actually have large predators, such as black bears, grizzly bears, mountain lions, wolves, coyotes, bob cats, and lynx. The good news is bob cats and lynx won't eat you, but they can mess you up.
3) Back when I was a kid, a nice house went for five digits. By nice, I'm talking about a four bed 2.5 bath with an acre. Now that same place would fetch seven digits easy. I call that stupid expensive dew to popular inflation. That is to say, when a place becomes popular, prices inflate. Montana doesn't want to be popular. The more the prices inflate the harder it is to survive here. If the people at the bottom can't survive, then we are looking at economic collapse. The increase of homelessness is evidence that economic collapse is just around the corner. Like I said before, It is hard to find a good paying job anywhere in Montana, not just Bozeman.
4) My most controversial statement yet, politics. It has been said that "all politics is local" and it works that same way here. Two things I want you to know A) human rights are enough for any one, advocating for demographic rights over all the other demographics is supremacy. You don't have to be "white" to be a supremacist, you just have to think you deserve more rights than others. And B) A Montanan with their gun belong together like air in the lungs. Did I mention the wild beasts that will try to eat you and your kids?
Animals have never scared me the people moving to Montana do and Californians are some how not as bad as people from Washington
Montana is screwed hard best bet is circle
I just got offered a job there and there aren't any rentals. Unless I want to give all I earn away. No wonder they're hiring out of staters.
Rent is really tricky. Have you looked at Belgrade? It's a little cheaper and an easy commute.
What sort of job?
(I live in Bozeman, BTW.)
And I want you to know that I'm feel totally unwelcome in Montana!
Why is that?
yeah that's really sad for people like you who dont fit a specific demographic. you get socially pushed out, and that's unamerican when you think of the melting pot
good please leave
I lived in Bozeangelos for 5 years. I moved back home and let the California folks have it. It costs a fortune!
Don't move to Montana period.......
Im in southern ct. the winters are not so bad im too old for long cold winters...it sounds brutal on an older person. yikes
Several periods by the looks of it
@@HarrisGroupMT well played 🤣
There’s 49 other states to choose from.
can u or anyone tell me the best city for having a house on a private wooded lot, a walmart, nightlife and atv trails? ty!!!
Paved paradise, put up a parking lot.
Now I have that song stuck in my head.
INDEED.
Cloudy with very very few clear sunny days windy dangerously cold sub standard hospitals
I know what I am talking about because I lived in Fargo for five years
Frankly I do not think that anyone should live up there Animals maybe
Wyoming is another dreary place
🤣
Bozeman has been hyped up to an incredible degree and in reality pretty much sucks. Don't move to Bozeman!
Where do you choose to live?
@@HarrisGroupMTMontana
i'd love to move to Bozeman if got a job there(Bobcat alum).
Well then get a job here. What are you looking to do for work?
@Harris Group Montana GIS but as said limited opportunity I've applied with Gallatin county before
Bozeman and Missoula are Democrat cities, don't expect to find a living economy in these cities. And snow and cold will have you crying for mercy. Unless you are economically stable and not effected by winter weather, DON'T move to Montana!
I'd rather have winter than 47 straight days or whatever it's been of OVER 100 DEGREES in Louisiana OVER 100 degrees that Bozeman winter looks really inviting right now
Bozeman was all red before 2020~ it just recently turned blue~ and Belgrade is far right. so there ya go!
I lived in Bozeman 17 years. Hunting is big I love Hunting. But there is no deer or elk the wolves ate them all, thanks tree huggers.
I haven't had troubles with bagging a buck in the last few years, you just gotta know where to get em. That being said, if you find a wolf on your property, you know what they say; shoot, shovel, shut up
Bozeman is so thick with people yku can hardly breathe, smat city material
Its too late
Montana is my favorite state due to the vast wildlife to see, beautiful terrain and awesome hiking but no way could I tolerate those winters, lol.
MT winters definitely aren't for everyone
@@HarrisGroupMT I’m in NW Indiana. Even though our winters have gotten milder they can get a little rough especially with lake effect snow but nothing like yours. Eventually the plan is to move close to the Smokies so we can have the mountains and milder winters.
Maybe I missed it but wild animals like bear, mountain lions and others are probably a good reason someone wouldn't want to live in Montana.
Wild animals are definitely a reality of living in Montana. Bears, mountain lions, etc.
Probably much more likely to die in a vehicle accident than from a wild animal.
@@markcampanelli Yeah I wasnt suggesting being killed by a wild animal was highly likely, im saying those animals exist there where they dont in the bulk of the US.
Much more likely to die from suicide than anything probably.
@@CelestianGC Lol
But we got great Refs here though
Lol. Exactly
Image having to warn people about thier rights
Men are gone women run the show now
I see what your doing here, your trying to chase people away to have more area for yourself 😂 (jk)...thx for the content .
You caught me
@@HarrisGroupMT I would do the same haha but you don't have to, because Montana isn't for everyone.
I'll make sure that I don't waste my time on your videos anymore!
Thanks for stoppin' by
As a Bozeman native aged 60 plus, this comment is a perfect example of the attitude we natives (and freedom-loving transplants) are referring to when we bemoan the transformation of this cattle / AG town into the next Vail with a dose of LA mentality sprinkled in.
Bozeman😍