Your thanking him for spreading fallacies, your thanking him for speaking on behalf of a god he cannot,as no one ever has, prove exists. If any one other than a theist tried to sell something with no evidence, like a god granting eternal life after ones death, they would be locked up under the trade descriptions act.
@@derekardito2032 If the CEOs of every American registered company were examined under the TDA, they would all be locked up, yet they continue to run some of the most crooked corporations on the planet.
OMGOSH How did I miss that he was coming here to S. Florida!!!!!? How can I get notifications so I never miss this. I’ve been waiting for you to come here forever just to find out you already came a few days ago… are you ever going to come back!? I’m so disappointed. Thank you Frank for all that you do.
The day I was conscious of my sin before the Almighty I repented. Doesn't mean you will stop battling your flesh, it means you understand what you have been doing is wrong and worthy of hell. When you understand that, then you understand that you need a savior. You will inevitably fall in your walk sometimes, then you repent, and at some point your spirit gets tired of your failures and gives you conviction to avoid sin more strongly. Some reach that point sooner other later, but it will come to all of us if we continue focused in Jesus, his love and compassion, his sacrifice, those things get to the deepest parts of your heart and makes you desire that change. It is an ongoing process, but it has to start with an honest feeling of repentance. You can't just not care about your sin and at the same time desire to be saved from it. If you don't want to repent then you will never have faith in what Jesus did, because you don't care about sin in the first place.
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”John 11:25-26
That's what the Bible claims he said. The Bible also claims he said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 He says he was sent only for the Jews.
@@autisticphaglosophy7128 Pffft please. You saying something is true doesn't make it so. The natural world can be shown to exist. The supernatural has no evidence for it, whatsoever Try again.
Christ is the best deal - I will die one day and I want to be secure in the afterlife, Jesus makes this life worth living despite the sins and evils of man - He has a plan to restore it all and I’m taking the leap of faith - I’d rather believe and not need Him than not believe and need Him in the end - I’ve got nothing to lose except sin and unrighteousness 🎉❤
@154:48 Frank is equivocating on the term "eternal life". @154:52 This is why Christ established His Church so we as Christians can have an authoritative Holy Spirit guide. I encourage Frank to return home so he doesn't have to be left with his own personal interpretation of this verse.
1:54:34 My problem with that logic is that the eternal life Jesus gives us is a gift. If you throw a gift away after you accepted it first, you don't have it anymore.
No one that understands the gift correctly throws it away. It's true that salvation is a gift but that gift has a condition for receiving it. The condition is saving repentant faith. This is the type of faith that appreciates what God has given and where there is a permanent intentional commitment to turn from the ways that are displeasing to God. As John has said, if you turn away, you were never of the Christian family to begin with. The faith that the person claimed to have was the wrong faith. This is why it is important to take the advice from Paul in 2 Cor 13:5 and examine this faith you claim to have.
@@TheGuy.. Noone SHOULD throw it away, that's for sure. But understanding the value of a gift once doesn't automatically mean you appreciate it like that forever, especially during tough times. To say that it's not even theoretically possible to turn your back on something you've understood earlier is a bit of an overstatement in my opinion. Hebrews 6,4-6 is so clear in that regard that it doesn't allow any other conclusion for me, unless if I specifically WANT it to mean something entirely different. I'm not saying that those who hold that "once saved always saved" belief are in trouble (as long as they are genuine). But I cannot sincerely tell myself that the people in my life who turned their back on Jesus were never true Christians, especially when I think about their life before they turned back.
@@chrissi_1081 I never said that understanding the value of a gift means appreciating the gift. For those that truly have the correct faith in Christ, they will never be lost. That is a promise from Christ Himself who said "of those who the Father gives me, I lose none". If you cannot trust His promises, then who's promises can you trust? Heb 6:4-6 is greatly twisted and misunderstood. This becomes clear when you take into account all of the other scripture that informs us that we are sealed to the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit of promise Himself, Christ Himself telling us that He loses none, Paul telling us that He who has started a work in us will "complete" it. Heb 6 is talking about those who never were really saved to begin with. Those who fall away there is what John talks about in 1 Jn 2:19. There, those who fell away were never saved to begin with. The writer of Heb demonstrates that it is impossible to lose your salvation and then be saved again (it is impossible to renew again...(vs 6) since they crucify AGAIN for themselves the Son of God). Also, John tells us that we are forgiven "for His name's sake". Do you remember this expression? This is very important (as it describes God's character) and it comes from 1 Sam 12:22 and especially in Num 14:1-15 where it points out that the people "fell away" yet Moses points out that the surrounding nations would brag that God could not keep His people marring His fame (or name in the Septuagint). Sometimes we fall away but we are not losing our salvation. Sometimes "falling away" implies that the person wasn't saved to begin with as described in Heb 6 and 1 Jn 2:19. This is why we need to be careful what we are reading and to also consider the nature of the one who loves us. He will not let the truly saved, His own children, be lost again. I would say that those who say you can lose your salvation are believing in a God that is incapable of keeping His own which He acquires through His promise. He is allowing His own to be confused into leaving the faith...not a good Father. But I would also say that God is not deceived by a faith that has conditions attached. Those conditions, of course, are those that would allow them to abandon God in various situations. I know it's hard to see people that seem to have the greatest faith in God and then one day you see them as what seems to be lost again. We don't truly know what goes on in their hearts. It may be the case that they are simply fallen away but not really lost (like the Esau example) and that one day they will return and then they will have to give an account for their falling away.
@@TheGuy..Didn't the prodigal son throw his inheritance away and receive it back again when he returned home? He was dead and was made ALIVE AGAIN. Also, in hebrew, didn't Essau sell his birthright for a single meal? Would these be examples of people who were sons but turned. How do we know when we have turned?
Atheist here. 1:55:35 Indeed. These conflicts between Christians have been going on ever since the beginning of the faith. And what do you reckon? That in most of these conflicts each side of the argument would insist that its version of Jesus is the historical Jesus. I think that is very hard for Christian conservatives and fundamentalists to understand because they all think, to the exclusion of every liberal, AND every other fundamentalist and conservative group, that the specific version of Jesus their own group believes in, is the historical Jesus. Trinitarians, non-Trinitarians, Calvinists, Arminians, Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and so on, will often see each other as the hell bound heretics because each group thinks that it, and only it, worships the historical Jesus. ^^ Often there is give and take here. But often there is not. That's why we non Christians don't need to take you folk too seriously (unless you try to take over governments) until you sort this stuff out, and show us that it works according to your oft made, overblown claims.
Not necessarily, many denominations are a good thing and this is how God draws many diverse people, we may disagree on the minor things like whether we should listen to Christian rap and other issues but we agree on the essentials. Yes you may find exceptions to this from time to time but no matter how corrupt a church is if you want to find God you're going to find him. I pray you find him, Jesus Christ is amazing and loves you.
In Matthew 19:4, Jesus is referring to Gen 1:27 where God made male and female "at the beginning". He doesn't say Adam by name but He was aware of the Mosaic text since He mentions the writings of Moses, and of course Moses writes of Adam at the beginning. Jesus referring to Adam is reasonably implied.
Faith is not the same as reason. Faith is sustained by reason. That's exactly the point. The opposites are Faith-Unbelief and Reason-Illogical thinking. So both atheists as well as Christians (or any other theists) have faith to trudt in what they think is reasonable. that's what Frank is trying to explain. So the title actually takes a away the negative connotation many people have when they hear "faith" because they connect ir with blind faith and being unreasonable :)
You must be born again.🕊️ Frank dude, what are you saying, “you’re not absolutely certain.” Well I’m certain about my salvation, it’s called faith, and it’s a promise from Jesus Christ not a maybe. And it’s not according to my word, but according to the (Author and Finisher) of my faith’s word. FAITH IS GIVEN TO US ITS NOT EARNED. If anyone loses faith in Jesus for eternal life, they didn’t have faith in Him to begin with according to the Bible-1 John 2:19 John 3:18. 1 John 5:12-13 👑💝 “Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.“
Faith is not the same as reason. Faith is sustained by reason. That's exactly the point. The opposites are Faith-Unbelief and Reason-Illogical thinking. So both atheists as well as Christians (or any other theists) have faith to trudt in what they think is reasonable.
Frank says that everyone knows there's a god toward the end. So he believes that atheists believe in god? He makes no sense. Also he said that none of us are "innocent." But then he talks about some "age of accountability". Another inconsistency.
nice word play ...the devils crafty , you dont LOSE salvation....you come short of it .... why else do you think its called a HOPE? or that paul says run the race if you passed the finish line? or fight the fight if you won? or WORK OUT your salvation? i can literally go ON AND ON ....this OSAS doctrine is from HELL and comforts you in a lukewarm life of sin God will SPIT OUT , you better read john 15 and listen to Jesus not youtube
Believing that there isn't a god, and there isn't a hell requires a lot more faith than believing that there is. Then again, following God's Holy commands requires a lot of courage. Good job He gives it to those who do follow Him.
Atheism is rooted in the Greek αθεϊσμός meaning contrary to theism. Theism means believing God exists. Atheism means believing God does not exist. In the last several years English speakers have been trying to say that atheism means what agnosticism (αγνωστικισμός) actually means... lacking belief or ignorance of God's existence.
Do you not believe in the tooth fairy? Bigfoot? Alien abductions? Jolly Green Giant ? Do those non-beliefs require faith in nothing? No, I didn’t think so, either.
@@TheGuy.. you are defining a subset of atheists with your definition. being an atheist means that you lack of belief in god. those who believe that there is no god is a subset of that. agnostic does NOT address belief, only knowledge. you can be an agnostic atheist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist or a gnostic theist. contrary to what many christians often incorrectly claim being agnostic is not a midway point between being atheist and theist. you either believe or you don’t
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God bless you Frank . You should come to the University of Florida!
Yes!
Thank you Dr. Turek for continuing to teach, especially for young people..😊
Thank you CE
Hosea 6:6 👑
“For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.”
Thanks for doing what you do
Your thanking him for spreading fallacies, your thanking him for speaking on behalf of a god he cannot,as no one ever has, prove exists. If any one other than a theist tried to sell something with no evidence, like a god granting eternal life after ones death, they would be locked up under the trade descriptions act.
@@derekardito2032 If the CEOs of every American registered company were examined under the TDA, they would all be locked up, yet they continue to run some of the most crooked corporations on the planet.
@@derekardito2032Evidence for your claims?
@@autisticphaglosophy7128 What? You claim nonsense with no evidence presented... at all.
Try consistency?
Wow he was right under the neck of my woods and I did not even know🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️😭
OMGOSH How did I miss that he was coming here to S. Florida!!!!!? How can I get notifications so I never miss this. I’ve been waiting for you to come here forever just to find out you already came a few days ago… are you ever going to come back!? I’m so disappointed. Thank you Frank for all that you do.
I can not believe I missed this…. 🤦♂️
138:12 What does he mean by repenting? Isn't this an ongoing action we do moved by the Holy Spirit? What is we choose not to repent?
The day I was conscious of my sin before the Almighty I repented. Doesn't mean you will stop battling your flesh, it means you understand what you have been doing is wrong and worthy of hell. When you understand that, then you understand that you need a savior.
You will inevitably fall in your walk sometimes, then you repent, and at some point your spirit gets tired of your failures and gives you conviction to avoid sin more strongly. Some reach that point sooner other later, but it will come to all of us if we continue focused in Jesus, his love and compassion, his sacrifice, those things get to the deepest parts of your heart and makes you desire that change. It is an ongoing process, but it has to start with an honest feeling of repentance. You can't just not care about your sin and at the same time desire to be saved from it.
If you don't want to repent then you will never have faith in what Jesus did, because you don't care about sin in the first place.
10:32 Interesting Fact: The Navy Seal Mike Monsoor was lead by Jocko Willink.
Please come to London! Or Nottingham university Uk
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”John 11:25-26
yes 100%
That's what the Bible claims he said. The Bible also claims he said "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24 He says he was sent only for the Jews.
Why should anyone?
@@mattslater2603Because it’s true as opposed to atheistic naturalistic materialism which is false.
@@autisticphaglosophy7128 Pffft please.
You saying something is true doesn't make it so.
The natural world can be shown to exist.
The supernatural has no evidence for it, whatsoever
Try again.
Wow I didn't know you were here sad😮😢
Christ is the best deal - I will die one day and I want to be secure in the afterlife, Jesus makes this life worth living despite the sins and evils of man - He has a plan to restore it all and I’m taking the leap of faith - I’d rather believe and not need Him than not believe and need Him in the end - I’ve got nothing to lose except sin and unrighteousness 🎉❤
Any Teachers that teach from the Bible like Frank Turek and John lennox you all could recommend to me? Id appreciate it thanks.
@154:48 Frank is equivocating on the term "eternal life". @154:52 This is why Christ established His Church so we as Christians can have an authoritative Holy Spirit guide. I encourage Frank to return home so he doesn't have to be left with his own personal interpretation of this verse.
1:54:34 My problem with that logic is that the eternal life Jesus gives us is a gift. If you throw a gift away after you accepted it first, you don't have it anymore.
No one that understands the gift correctly throws it away.
It's true that salvation is a gift but that gift has a condition for receiving it. The condition is saving repentant faith. This is the type of faith that appreciates what God has given and where there is a permanent intentional commitment to turn from the ways that are displeasing to God. As John has said, if you turn away, you were never of the Christian family to begin with. The faith that the person claimed to have was the wrong faith. This is why it is important to take the advice from Paul in 2 Cor 13:5 and examine this faith you claim to have.
@@TheGuy.. Noone SHOULD throw it away, that's for sure. But understanding the value of a gift once doesn't automatically mean you appreciate it like that forever, especially during tough times. To say that it's not even theoretically possible to turn your back on something you've understood earlier is a bit of an overstatement in my opinion.
Hebrews 6,4-6 is so clear in that regard that it doesn't allow any other conclusion for me, unless if I specifically WANT it to mean something entirely different.
I'm not saying that those who hold that "once saved always saved" belief are in trouble (as long as they are genuine). But I cannot sincerely tell myself that the people in my life who turned their back on Jesus were never true Christians, especially when I think about their life before they turned back.
@@chrissi_1081 I never said that understanding the value of a gift means appreciating the gift. For those that truly have the correct faith in Christ, they will never be lost. That is a promise from Christ Himself who said "of those who the Father gives me, I lose none". If you cannot trust His promises, then who's promises can you trust?
Heb 6:4-6 is greatly twisted and misunderstood. This becomes clear when you take into account all of the other scripture that informs us that we are sealed to the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit of promise Himself, Christ Himself telling us that He loses none, Paul telling us that He who has started a work in us will "complete" it.
Heb 6 is talking about those who never were really saved to begin with. Those who fall away there is what John talks about in 1 Jn 2:19. There, those who fell away were never saved to begin with. The writer of Heb demonstrates that it is impossible to lose your salvation and then be saved again (it is impossible to renew again...(vs 6) since they crucify AGAIN for themselves the Son of God).
Also, John tells us that we are forgiven "for His name's sake". Do you remember this expression?
This is very important (as it describes God's character) and it comes from 1 Sam 12:22 and especially in Num 14:1-15 where it points out that the people "fell away" yet Moses points out that the surrounding nations would brag that God could not keep His people marring His fame (or name in the Septuagint).
Sometimes we fall away but we are not losing our salvation. Sometimes "falling away" implies that the person wasn't saved to begin with as described in Heb 6 and 1 Jn 2:19. This is why we need to be careful what we are reading and to also consider the nature of the one who loves us. He will not let the truly saved, His own children, be lost again.
I would say that those who say you can lose your salvation are believing in a God that is incapable of keeping His own which He acquires through His promise. He is allowing His own to be confused into leaving the faith...not a good Father.
But I would also say that God is not deceived by a faith that has conditions attached. Those conditions, of course, are those that would allow them to abandon God in various situations.
I know it's hard to see people that seem to have the greatest faith in God and then one day you see them as what seems to be lost again. We don't truly know what goes on in their hearts. It may be the case that they are simply fallen away but not really lost (like the Esau example) and that one day they will return and then they will have to give an account for their falling away.
@@TheGuy..Didn't the prodigal son throw his inheritance away and receive it back again when he returned home? He was dead and was made ALIVE AGAIN. Also, in hebrew, didn't Essau sell his birthright for a single meal? Would these be examples of people who were sons but turned. How do we know when we have turned?
Agreed, @chrissi_1081
@2:11:28 How do you know which books belong in the canon? How do you know you have the correct canon?
Atheist here.
1:55:35 Indeed. These conflicts between Christians have been going on ever since the beginning of the faith. And what do you reckon? That in most of these conflicts each side of the argument would insist that its version of Jesus is the historical Jesus.
I think that is very hard for Christian conservatives and fundamentalists to understand because they all think, to the exclusion of every liberal, AND every other fundamentalist and conservative group, that the specific version of Jesus their own group believes in, is the historical Jesus. Trinitarians, non-Trinitarians, Calvinists, Arminians, Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, and so on, will often see each other as the hell bound heretics because each group thinks that it, and only it, worships the historical Jesus.
^^ Often there is give and take here. But often there is not.
That's why we non Christians don't need to take you folk too seriously (unless you try to take over governments) until you sort this stuff out, and show us that it works according to your oft made, overblown claims.
Well said.
Not necessarily, many denominations are a good thing and this is how God draws many diverse people, we may disagree on the minor things like whether we should listen to Christian rap and other issues but we agree on the essentials. Yes you may find exceptions to this from time to time but no matter how corrupt a church is if you want to find God you're going to find him. I pray you find him, Jesus Christ is amazing and loves you.
Question…. Frank answers a question and says Jesus refers to Adam. He refers to man but where does he refer directly to Adam.
In Matthew 19:4, Jesus is referring to Gen 1:27 where God made male and female "at the beginning". He doesn't say Adam by name but He was aware of the Mosaic text since He mentions the writings of Moses, and of course Moses writes of Adam at the beginning. Jesus referring to Adam is reasonably implied.
Sorry Frankie boy, not enough evidence to be a Christian
More than enough evidence to be a Christian, 1000 times more than Atheism.
Is the title of the book not degrading the term faith? He seems to be using the term faith as bad thing
It's standard Christian apologist buffoonery
Faith is not the same as reason. Faith is sustained by reason. That's exactly the point. The opposites are Faith-Unbelief and Reason-Illogical thinking. So both atheists as well as Christians (or any other theists) have faith to trudt in what they think is reasonable.
that's what Frank is trying to explain. So the title actually takes a away the negative connotation many people have when they hear "faith" because they connect ir with blind faith and being unreasonable
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@@arikasandemore6221 I don’t hold any faith based beliefs…
Does a faith based belief require evidence?
You must be born again.🕊️
Frank dude, what are you saying, “you’re not absolutely certain.” Well I’m certain about my salvation, it’s called faith, and it’s a promise from Jesus Christ not a maybe. And it’s not according to my word, but according to the (Author and Finisher) of my faith’s word. FAITH IS GIVEN TO US ITS NOT EARNED.
If anyone loses faith in Jesus for eternal life, they didn’t have faith in Him to begin with according to the Bible-1 John 2:19 John 3:18.
1 John 5:12-13 👑💝
“Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I have written these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.“
You don’t need “faith” to e an atheist. That is the point. 🐹
Faith is not the same as reason. Faith is sustained by reason. That's exactly the point. The opposites are Faith-Unbelief and Reason-Illogical thinking. So both atheists as well as Christians (or any other theists) have faith to trudt in what they think is reasonable.
Frank says that everyone knows there's a god toward the end. So he believes that atheists believe in god? He makes no sense. Also he said that none of us are "innocent." But then he talks about some "age of accountability". Another inconsistency.
nice word play ...the devils crafty , you dont LOSE salvation....you come short of it .... why else do you think its called a HOPE? or that paul says run the race if you passed the finish line? or fight the fight if you won? or WORK OUT your salvation? i can literally go ON AND ON ....this OSAS doctrine is from HELL and comforts you in a lukewarm life of sin God will SPIT OUT , you better read john 15 and listen to Jesus not youtube
Saying that you don’t have enough faith to be an atheist is very dishonest
Believing that there isn't a god, and there isn't a hell requires a lot more faith than believing that there is.
Then again, following God's Holy commands requires a lot of courage. Good job He gives it to those who do follow Him.
@@harryfaber quick question, can you correctly define what the word atheist means?
Atheism is rooted in the Greek αθεϊσμός meaning contrary to theism.
Theism means believing God exists. Atheism means believing God does not exist.
In the last several years English speakers have been trying to say that atheism means what agnosticism (αγνωστικισμός) actually means... lacking belief or ignorance of God's existence.
Do you not believe in the tooth fairy? Bigfoot? Alien abductions? Jolly Green Giant ?
Do those non-beliefs require faith in nothing?
No, I didn’t think so, either.
@@TheGuy.. you are defining a subset of atheists with your definition. being an atheist means that you lack of belief in god. those who believe that there is no god is a subset of that. agnostic does NOT address belief, only knowledge. you can be an agnostic atheist, gnostic atheist, agnostic theist or a gnostic theist. contrary to what many christians often incorrectly claim being agnostic is not a midway point between being atheist and theist. you either believe or you don’t