Science Doesn’t Say Anything-Scientists Do (2023 Dallas Conference on Science and Faith)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2023
- Author Frank Turek dissects the biases and assumptions of some who claim to speak for science in our culture. President of CrossExamined.org, Dr. Turek is co-author of books such as "I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" and "Legislating Morality." He has debated prominent atheists including Christopher Hitchens and Michael Shermer, founding publisher of Skeptic Magazine. Turek has appeared on hundreds of radio programs and many top TV networks including Fox News, ABC, and CBS. A former aviator in the US Navy, Frank has a master’s degree from George Washington University and a doctorate from Southern Evangelical Seminary. This talk was delivered at the 2023 Dallas Conference on Science and Faith sponsored by Discovery Institute.
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It's always helpful hearing the ideas you've been thinking about articulated in a much clearer way than you've thought of.
*_God Bless_*
I know. It's sweet isn't it.
Love Frank Turek, greetings from Austria..
Explained simply. He knows what he's talking about.
Science (material science) and faith are fully compatible, they explain the reality together with philosophy and other sciencies such as Metaphysics, etc. Faith is completely rational as well as science and they are based on the same principles: non contradiction, causality, sufficient argument, etc.
Keep telling yourself this over and over and over...................
@@markb3786That works for some people. It certainly seems to be what academia, media and entertainment rely on to create bias. But "everyone else" is subject to that, right?
Mark, you have been watching Professor Dave again, haven't you? Next you will be wanting to leave Gilead. Tut, tut, tut.
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@@markb3786keep denying it over and over.....
Psalm 19:1-2 (ESV)
1 The heavens declare the glory of God,
and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
2 Day to day pours out speech,
and night to night reveals knowledge.
the firmament sheweth his handiwork. Big difference.Day one. GOD created the Heaven and the Earth. Day two GOD created the firmament to divide the water below from the water above.
Can’t give enough thumbs up!
Excellent points!! Taking notes on this one!
Very well organized and presented. Simple, objective thinking.
Science describes what happens but not why it happens.
Huh? Just take the birth of a human. Science certainly describes "what happens", but we have a torrent of information describing exactly *why* that human is born. It's quite fascinating that from 2 microscopic cells we get a human with 26 billon cells 9 months later. And note that 2k years ago, people did not have any idea of these "whys".
You're not actually answering the why question.
Example, how does the body know when it's time to give birth. Science can't tell you that.
Why is your life valuable?
Science can't tell you that.
Science can't tell you where water arrived from.
Where did humans come from?
Science can't tell you that.
You can believe you came from a worm who decided to turn into a fish 🐟 that eventually decided to crawl out.
Torrents of information still doesn't tell, "why?"
Sure, we know how cellular processes work based on human interpretations of those processes. But WHY do those processes work the way they work in how we humans view it and doesn't work some other way?
Of course science can explain the why…..why do earth quakes happen or hurricanes for example…we know why certainly without question. Limiting science to only description is senseless and concretely wrong. Thank goodness science has given us the ability to understand washing your hands can prevent the spread of germs…..and we understand why or how that takes place. The list is endless.
We were never asked to be born or created, yet, "somehow" we were, but only by a "magical omnipotent supervisor" wanting and claiming credit for doing what the universe already does naturally, and constantly has for infinity throughout the constant endless continuum of time and space. The universe doesn't need creating, it does it itself, it's called adaptive growth and expansion because time and space are actually the same thing, the "two sides of the same coin", so to speak, and we as evolved human beings are all a part of this same process of adaptive growth in the universe. The universe has no beginning or end, just constant cycles everywhere within and throughout the universe according to astrophysicists. Planets and star systems go supernova and new ones are formed all the time over eons of infinite time and space.
Furthermore, the universe does not have a purpose, it just has a direction. It's just expanding and evolving as is everything else within it, the planets, stars, black holes, life, us, etc. "Purpose" is a human emotion that has evolved in us over eons of time, and purpose is something different to each individual
We need to engage people on this essential matter. One must know the topic fully and be ready with facts.
It is difficult though to know each argument in depths.
@@e.n.6079 Especially when they are not true. Makes it really really difficult
@@markb3786, The notion that chemicals on the pre-biotic earth coalesced into a living organism and that all life evolved from it is 19th century mythology that can _only_ be believed by *faith* with no support in modern molecular biology.
You don't need to know every argument in depth.
The Holy Spirit reveals all truth.
In the light you are able to see through the darkness.
Ask for wisdom and discernment, let the Holy Spirit guide you. ❤️✝️
"Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong."
1 Corinthians 1
A very good presentation. I'm going to use that phrase from now on every time someone says, "Science says."
In science a hypothesis is not just simply guessing. To simply guess is a personal assumption from an individual's own perception and is not valid science. A hypothesis is, in fact, an educated guess based on limited facts and evidence that can be tested with study, observation, and experimention and absolutely falsified if it indeed really is false up to that point until further analysis reveals complete proof of that hypothesis, until then, it would still only remain a theory. And science is not based on any faith at all, just factual evidence only. Faith is based on no proof or evidence.
Science is not bias at all, people are, science is just a methology of study, it proves or disproves---period. The scientific methods are purposefully designed to eliminate bias because every study must be objectively verified and there must be a way to prove it wrong if indeed it is. Accuracy and accountability are the hallmarks of study in science, no exception. Inaccuracies are put to the test constantly until obvious evidence bears accurate findings that are factually true or false indisputably. And science is for the purpose of educating and discovery for human advancement, it's methodology of study is designed to eliminate any falisies or errors.
Mankind can make up magic, but mankind cannot make up science, only misinterpret it or try to change it to their agenda. Yet, no one can change factual knowledge that evidence proves or disproves. True evident facts and proven knowledge do not require beliefs to support it at all. Undeniable facts can withstand any and all harsh scrutiny and examination, whereas beliefs need to rearrange and reinterpret facts to support those beliefs. Beliefs are not facts, just beliefs. Any faith is not evidence to anything factual.
Magical creation by a supernatural god will always get contradicted by real facts and experienced educational knowledge. So, yes, the so-called "apologists" are grossly misinterpreting science. The moment a religion needs an academic pursuit called "apologetics" is admission that their deity is non existent or so impotent to require mortal assistance to prove it. No God should need anyone to explain or apologize anything at all on their behalf. That's because gods don't exist, and neither do fairies.
Science is a constantly advancing and evolving field of study. Science uses only factual evidence to prove a hypothesis. There is no personal guessing or assumed opinions that are outside of educational, factual knowledge. When studies are put to the test facts, observation, experiments, applications, and more studying are not just simply assuming or making up stuff. Misinformation gets naturally corrected by the very processes themselves unless not enough evidence can finalize a finding, then it stays a theoretical hypothesis, which is an EDUCATED guess, until further study accurately proves or disproves without reasonable doubt.
Just got buying your book “Stealing From God”. Thanks 🙏 and blessings ❤
Science is man’s explanation for God’s creation. Nothing more and nothing less.
Science doesn't always match your religious beliefs.
@@vladtheemailer3223 because science is discovery and your are drawing conclusions when science hasn't said anything
Yes. But unfortunately, science is used by the enemy and their agenda of death and destruction.
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@@vladtheemailer3223 Well that's scientists using their own faith with making the claim there is no God without bringing up the facts there is no God. Science doesn't go against God or the Bible, it's actually man's knowledge and interpretation of the world with their own belief of atheism behind it.
It is a science of the gaps.
"We don't know how yet... but science will discover how sometime."
It's even worse than time of the gaps
"We don't know but given enough time, it is possible"
Thanks for the presentation. Very insightful.
Excellent! Thanks for sharing!
We know God because he put the knowledge of him in us. Rom 1. We dont need to reason back. We need to stop suppressing that knowledge.
Beautiful! God bless this channel. I love it!🙏❤️🩹
By the by...love listening to work..stay awesome..❤
Is Dr. Turek joining up with you guys? Awesome...
I love how you present and explain! Much love and respect for you brother 🙏.
WELL DONE!
Excellent presentation.
I love the interactive portion of the program 🙌🏽❤️🤗
You have hit the nail on the head. You MUST make assumptions to reason. Having faith in reason itself is an assumption. Experience teaches us these assumptions are reasonable, but they are assumptions nonetheless.
Are those assumptions valid or invalid?
@@vladtheemailer3223they are reasonable
The collected information and knowledge from many centuries of study is not mistaken misinformation at all. Professors and teachers did not earn their degrees by any misconstrude means or misconceptions. It's safe to say with certainty that the schooling you received from kindergarten up to your senior graduation is true and accurate. The educational system as a whole naturally follows the strict ethics of teaching educational factual knowledge, just ask any teacher or professor of any school or university that has earned their degrees, every teacher I've ever known is just trying to honestly educate, and not fool, confuse, or lie to anyone or else they should certainly be fired from their teaching careers. Educational information that is taught has no personal bias of any kind as far as politics, personal feelings, and religion goes, just straight forward educational information. Teachers want to educate and challenge thinking, not teach lies like they have some other agenda. These are gross false notions by conspiracy theorists, religious apologists, and political activists with an agenda.
Science is a constantly advancing and evolving field of study. Science uses only factual evidence to prove a hypothesis. There is no personal guessing or assumed opinions that are outside of educational, factual knowledge. When studies are put to the test facts, observation, experiments, applications, and more studying are not just simply assuming or making up stuff. Misinformation gets naturally corrected by the very processes themselves unless not enough evidence can finalize a finding, then it stays a theoretical hypothesis, which is an EDUCATED guess, until further study accurately proves or disproves without reasonable doubt.
Very good stuff. EXCELLENT
Thanks, Dr. Turek
33:06 - “How do you know it’s a dream?”
On this one (consciousness is an illusion), I’d say that some people learn how to lucid dream (knowing they’re in a dream while dreaming). This still points to a “non-natural” world and not atheism…but I (as a Christian) understand and somewhat agree with it.
As usual another magnificent video. Thank you for sharing this video 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️🙏🏻🇮🇱
People take so much ‘popular’ information presented by those in power as facts. I love how this video breaks it down. The timeline of human history and civilization itself is ridiculous and taught everywhere as fact.
Awesome
At 27:03 it was said that the subtitles were in Spanish. Just out of curiosity, the subtitles are in Brazilian Portuguese.
Science is the study of facts.
Is science the only way to know objective true facts about reality?
And the "facts" change daily.
Science may be “a” study of facts but not “the”.
And " science" has always said many many things that ended up to be very false. It is constantly changing, and that is evidence that it is not accurate.
Science is a human activity. I think it is time humans stops drawing conclusions on observations. Either we bring politics into it or More observations or data may be needed. I need data I don't need your science
Wow thank you Frank…. You have a beautiful mind 😁👍🙏❤️✝️
HIS revelation through HIS word, the Bible!!!
"Rightly understood, both the revelations of science and the experiences of life are in harmony with the testimony of Scripture to the constant working of God in nature."
Ellen G. White, Education, p.130.
Except that the argument can be stated that man imagined and created a God from his constant workings and experience of nature. And historical evidence shows he has in many cases.
Um, that's just a wildly assumptive opinion. I can say that "the revelations of science are in perfect harmony with the universe being code created by a 15 yr old hacker in an encapsulating universe". And, actually, this conjecture is a better fit, as it explains suffering perfectly. But do you believe it? Do I believe it? Yeah......no.
@@hongotedesco8931 Athiests see all of reality and conclude “Yeah all of this created itself from non existence”. It’s as equally as absurd as someone believing in false diety
@@zenvultra4457 Nonsense
I think it's hilarious that atheists say that science explains EVERYTHING...science is just now figuring out basic information about the universe.. but atheists use it as a basis for God not existing. Science can't even explain what's in the ocean yet. It's embarrassing to listen to someone claim that science somehow disproves God when science can't even explain why interstellar objects behave.
@27:02 _Portuguese_ subtitles, actually
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The trouble with most Atheistic Scientists is that they view Science as a Dogma rather than as a growing field that (I’m gonna say it) evolves as it finds more.
Discover is a better word as if you find truth. It was already there.
Why not just call them "big dumb meanies?"
Unlike those who worship 2000 year old poorly written fan fiction? Oh please, that's the most ridiculous thing to say because you know absolutely zero atheists let alone atheist scientists.
Science is not dogma. We accept evolution
Everything in the universe has a cause. Science is the pursuit of trying to explain causation. Science is the study of decoding God's mind.
frank when are you going to come to chicago!?
I say the exact same thing about the Christian Bible. God doesn't say anything, man does!
It says plenty.
27:01 - portuguese, not Spanish subtitles.
Morality always belongs to the individual & thus varies widely from culture to culture and indeed within cultures. If there was a THE morality,it would be the same everywhere & its just not,no mayter how loudly you wish it to be so.
The Bible, prophecy in particular, but also scientific facts ancient man couldn't have known, but was stated in the Bible millennia ago, are both indisputable proof of God.
And, in fact, God tells us prophecy is for the unbeliever (As proof).
A creator is innate.
💥 From nothing is foolish.
I can't believe in these days we still talk about Darwin...its so irational..
Good job, Frank!
the same thing can be said about religion: "theology says nothing...theologians do."
Slick! He quoted an atheist at the end. 45:13
When I observe life closely I realize that there's nothing supernatural about it at all. With that, there's more clarity and understanding of myself and the natural world we live in, and much less fear of it, without the ancient and mystical biblical misinterpretations of the things we now know and understand.
I appreciate how professors and scientists can properly explain and give proof and reasoning yet no religious believer can do the same except just quote an ancient text written and quoted by man thousands of years ago.
There was at one time over 6,000 different gods in the entire world.
Simply cogent
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Those subtitles are NOT Spanish, Dr. Turek. That is portuguese. Ele não fala português, mas eu falo.
Programming is an aspect of time. 39:34
This presentation was excellent and well thought out. EVERY human being should be religious and acknowledge the creator as Lord!!!!😊😊😊😊😊
Creation of Religion and God is no different than creation of Harry Potter.
The problem with religions is that it claims ownership over us and all the resources of the earth. It makes us pay ransom to the agents of god who rule over us. Our lives and deaths depend on these lunatic agents whims and fancy. Literally, these godmen enslave us.
@@skagraw2A problem with people not believing in Harry Potter or Santa is that there aren't enough people around you from your birth to tell you every day that these characters really exist. Religions like christianity, islam or judaism was created for gaining power over a certain community by imposing a common idea which then is the highest truth you better do not doubt. I am not saying that there isn't a higher intelligence, if there is, it's the whole Universe in my opinion. One big ever present existence. And we are the expression of it.
Power, Prestige, and Estate. Social Stratification 101.
frank is hearing from God, listen to this man he knows what he’s talking about 🙏🏻
Science dis-covers what has always been there but unknown/hidden.
Nutty professor
Why do the likes of Mr Turek always speak on the verge of ranting?
Exactly since Galileo, Science says experiment always prevails against Scripture. Nothing else.
NOT SPANISH! PORTUGUESE SUBTITLES! The presentation was great btw ahaha
Exatamente o que pensei na hora que ele comentou 😊
Palestra mto boa mesmo :)
The gloves didn't shrink. They were two whole sizes smaller in manufacture. There's no way those gloves ever fit his extra extra large hands. I always suspected the cops bought those gloves themselves, because they were just large size. The cops, not being large men probably didn't realize there were two more sizes larger gloves. Only big guys knock how to come up with oversized clothes for themselves.
Science will explain that humans evolved and everyone's memories will conclude it to be the truth, so if someone were to show signs one day that you know this process without any information prior to the answer.
An acorn has a mind of its own and is conscious. Time is consciousness. Time is everything and everything is time. Therefore, everything is conscious. Read more nonfiction. Learn the difference between brains and the mind. 39:36
Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out. ( Job 36:26 )
Discovery Channel, thank you so much for hosting Dr. Frank Tucker. And please bring to your show as a guest on the Discovery Channel Dr. Francis Collins, Dr. John Lenox and Dr. Jordan Patterson to learn more about God and to praise our Lord in the secular and dying world.
May the living God bless you not only with the knowledge of your soul, but also with the wisdom of your spirit.
Radical change in world history comes from theistic God-believing scientists, but gradual change comes from atheism.Evolutionists.
History goes down, in the existence of believers in God and in the existence denying of God.
7 billion people with a different thumb print, 7 billion people with a different eye print, 7 billion people with a different D N A print,
that's a God thing
Is it? Why?
@richardgregory3684 Because it is design. And to have design...there must be a Designer. Because it is information. And to have information...there must be a mind. Quite simple really.
I hate questions like this. It arbitrarily takes a stance on how literal to take a statement or word, in this case the meaning of "say." Otherwise the statement "it is raining cats and dogs" is always a lie since cats and dogs never rain.
The cambrian explosion was caused by increased oxygen levels in the atmosphere and is the primary cause for the dinosaurs being so large.
Frank Turek will be amongst king David in the future
Hypothetical statements are irrelevant. Theories are based on FACTS!. Science, rebukes, hypothetical statements. Science rebukes trust. Trust is an aspect of belief. Science, rebukes belief. Science is humans observing nature. When humans, observe nature, humans obtain knowledge. Knowledge is where we find FACTS! for example, we are our star. FACTS! 31:47
Every scientific theory in existence has always been based on ASSUMPTIONS.
Ron Goldman was her friend. Just for the record, not her boyfriend.
Man created many gods, but evidence for their existence is lacking.
Faith is exactly like science!!....except without evidence....data......observations....tests.....experaments....hypotheses....theory......and objectivity....Never Mind.
Science in of itself doesn't even explain reality. How could you even explain reality using science? You can't.
You didn't watch the video
I agree with the majority of his points. I do disagree with his evangelical worldview. I do agree with absolute morality, but I do not agree with such a narrow vision of it. All of that is an opinion, both mine and his. What I do like about him is that he submits the scientific facts on this debate on the origins of life very, very well. The materialist dogma that one “must” subscribe to by default is a cancer and prevents real scientific discussion and progress.
Dr. Turek. Simply, God loves you so do I
And I am on the same fence side with you. Isn’t evolution based on action and reaction? I mean thd “development” is based on response to sone sort on action? Well, why do apple trees produce indigestive materials in their seeds? Where the purpose is to spread the seeds away from the tree through the stomach of the animal/birds. How did the tree get the message that its seeds are being digested in the eater’s stomach?
That is only one sample witnesses for the designer God
One more sample: WATER, why water defies ALL laws of nature?
2Кор 13:13: "Благодать Господа нашего Иисуса Христа, и любовь Бога Отца, и общение Святого Духа со всеми вами. Аминь."
Romans 1, 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Okay but the only problem with the resurrection of Jesus is you cannot prove that anyway there is no proof of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I appreciate the talk, and believe God reveals himself to us through his wonderful creation. I do believe we need to know God exists just because His Word tells us so. Jesus told his disciples and the Jews that he was God and He expected them to know it just because he told them.
55 prof,s wrote their doctoral thesis on the “ Pilt Down…” fiasco… ha ha my they were so desparate to get rid of God & his creation… it never ceases to amaze me… ha ha ❤😅
Of course, the entire scientific community revoked their PhDs and their positions in university faculties, and were careful to never again allow any false science inroads into the academy or popular scientific understanding.
Archaeopteryx, discovered at the time of the American Civil War remains the most referenced so-called transitional fossil. Evolutionists always say there are "many" other examples, but there has never been anything else discovered like the extinct Archaeopteryx
Frank looks like Gary Oldman, LOL !
How do scientists explain all of the minute details..veins heart just everything about the human,animal,plant conditions all of those details..right down to the smallest molecule...we have to been created with all the workings and details that happened to us, animals ,plants etc.we can not be "Happenstance" with all of the different types things on his earth to even exist..I can not believe how supposed learned people can not see creation as opposed to happenstance..it is so obvious..😅
Who created the creator ?
@@Bugsy0333 happenstance
It's funny that evolutionists rest their theory on "missing links" that nobody has ever found yet. Imagine making fun of people praying to an "invisible man in the sky" at the same time resting all of your beliefs on something imaginary like the "missing links"
Evolution is an ongoing process... For every new intermediate species found there will be two new missing links.
Evolution doesn't rest on the missing links but on the massive amount of evidence that IS available (but you creationists love to ignore)
The is no science, just scientists. So presumably by the same token there is no religion, just religious people. This makes sense of everything. Thank you.
“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
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It could have done without the political leanings. Neither the Bible nor science are better with a dash of politics.
Excellent logical argument!
How’s that? It was god of the gaps
Reasoning is possible regardless of ideology. Reasoning is possible, regardless of religious perspective. This guy needs to read the dictionary. Read the encyclopedia. Read more nonfiction. Study linguistics. Study phonetics. Study before rambling about things you don’t know about. Show some chronological, consistency, logic, and rationale, when speaking or writing. Study astronomy. For example, we are our star. 31:21
LOL you can't confirm scientifically weather your atoms where once from a star. By how often atoms change their molecules, you're more likely to be dinosaur piss than for you to be a star 😂😂
Supernatural does not exist. There's no such thing. Ultimately, there really is no "supernatural", it's just natural. What makes it "super" is that it cannot be explained yet because we haven't evolved up to that advanced level of knowledge to make that discovery. However, there is a viable explanation in this real reality of ours. We will get there eventually, as we have before, due to the factual knowledge of what we now know that was at one time unanswered wonders of life and the universe. Miracles do happen everyday, but it is not magic, nor mystical, by any means. We need to look, observe, and study on the quantum level of physics.
What about the James Webb telescope new discoveries? It appears that Big Bang theory is wrong, and time does not really exist and there was something before the "bing bang".
Science=Hypothesis generation and testing!
I completely, and totally believe that God exsists. I believe what the Bible speaks to us about Him, and what He has done for us. Today, more and more people are making science their god. The believe that science will save us, and that "religion" is a big fairy tale.
A preacher telling is about scuence? Oh dear. Who designed your god? Logically, if everything designed needs a designer?
God is infinite and lives outside of time. He has no beginning or creator because he is infinite.
God does not snap his fingers and then the universe or the earth is here all of a sudden, if evolution has happened, it is completely irrelevant because what it is about is that God created and set the whole process in motion to create everything in a fantastic way.
So, after all, we can only thank God for everything :)
God is awesome
1. What is science: Simple.."The systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained."
2. What does science say about god: Simple...nothing. Think about it, if you're stuck on a difficult scientific problem (eg, origin of life), do you say "god did it!"? Or do you continue your research? You have to do the latter, otherwise there's no point to doing science.
3. Why science needs god. Wrong. Science doesn't need god at all.
So many flawed arguments presented:
"Morality needs to be imported into science". Don't conflate morality with basic science. Science stands on its own. Of course, you can conduct immoral experiments, you can use the science you've discovered in an immoral way (think Oppenheimer), but that's neither here nor there. Science proceeds according to point 1, the definition.
"Science needs philosophical assumptions about how it works". That is in a sense correct, but overlooks a glaring problem when saying "because it's making assumptions, it could be right, it could be wrong....who knows". The glaring problem is that science *works*. The scientific method that we've defined has gotten us quite far in this world in terms of discovering objective truths. Nothing else comes anywhere close; certainly not any particular invented religion.
"Atheism makes reason impossible". Oh boy. CS Lewis really blew it on this one.
"Suppose there were no intelligence behind the universe. In that case nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. Thought is merely the byproduct of some atoms within my skull. But if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true?".
That is correct, nobody *purposely* designed your brain for thinking, it evolved that way, because it was *beneficial*. And this "how can I trust...", is mere word play. You can trust it because, again, it *works*. I mean, you can say things like "what if god created everything 5 seconds ago, with false memories, blah, blah...". Yeah, that could be true, but how much energy are you going to spend contemplating this scenario?
1. I agree, but before we can perform any experiment we have to pressuppose things that we take for granted, like that mathematics and logic are reliable along with our cognitive faculties and uniformity in nature. We can't accept this as brute facts, we need justification to do so. There's an assumption being made here that isn't scientific.
2. I wouldn't say science says nothing about God, that would just depend on your interpretation of the data. Take the wave function in quantum mechanics for example, what causes it to collapse? Answering this question might not mean anything to you. But if we can conclusively determine how it collapses and if it does require a conscious observer to collapse the wave function, then we would understand that you can't separate conscious observers from reality. This would mean we would need a cosmic conscious observer to collapse all matter into objects we perceive and experience.
3. I'm not so sure about that, would you say people like Copernicus who gave us the heliocentric model for our universe and Francis Bacon the one who gave rise to the scientific method would agree with you?
What about Tycho Brahe the great astronomer and imperial mathematician who created the most accurate tabel of astronomical observations, or his student Kepler who discovered that the planets rotate the sun in elliptical orbits?
How about Galileo or Robert Boyle father of modern chemistry or Issac Newton the one who discovered Newtonian mechanics? I would have to say they would disagree with you on this point
Isaac Newton when he discovered gravity, he didn't say I understand how gravity works therefore God doesn't exist. There is no God of the gaps when it comes to science because things look like gravity is a mechanism not an Agent, comparing the two is a category error.
All these brilliant minds believed in God, their faith was absolutely central to all of their life's work and discoveries, because they believed that by studying the heavens, they were discovering the mind of God. This is the very assumption and driving force that gave rise to modern science. All of their science derived from theological questions, so to say science and faith are not harmonious and that they are incompatible is intellectually dishonest.
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1. "We have to presuppose things that we take for granted". Again, it's about what I mentioned in point 3, that we do take things for granted. But it's because they work, it doesn't really matter if philosophically "you can't be sure". If I hold a glass of wine in my hand, and I let it drop, I can trust that there's going to be a mess on the floor. And so can you, and everybody else on this planet. It works.
2. The whole "wave function collapse" is a complex area of physics, with no real answer. Different scientists will give different interpretations. It's really TBD at this point.
3. Yes, many of those scientists you mention would certainly disagree (Kepler was a priest!), but they would just be wrong. I'm pretty sure that if they lived today, they would actually agree with me. It's just historical context that makes them believers.
@hongotedesco8931 wrote,
>>>1. What is science: Simple.."The systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained."> 2. What does science say about god: Simple...nothing.
P.2: wrong. Evidence is E=mc2
Evolution didn't create our brain, laws of nature and Energy did that. Matter behaves according to laws of nature thus everything what happens in matter is deterministic process determined by initial cause at Big Bang. If our mind is caused by matter then we are absoutely deterministic machines without any free will. Think about it. So evolution has been planned process at the beginning of Universe or it is driven outside of matter like our mind is able to break determinism which shows clearly that our mind is not matter.
Nothing × Something = Nothing.. simple grade school mathematics 😅
There was never nothing. 😎
Why not nothing + something or nothing - something or nothing ÷ something and commuting them. It won't lead to consistent result.
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Atheists attribute to nature, the powers of God.
Hard to argue with delusion.
I had heard once that God and science are not at odds with each other. Science is just too young to understand.
Science is human and human are science