Lamar had his #1 RB JK Dobnins out first game of the season. He lost his #1 weapon Mark Andrews 5 weeks ago. Lost his second RB Mitchell. Our best CB Marlo was out most of the season but Lamar still carried the team to the #1 seed in the AFC and he played in the toughest division in the NFL. Miss me with the injury excuses. They lost the Bills, Broncos game cuz of him: he had 3TO in both games.
give me a break, Denver scored a total of 3 points off those turnovers. Special teams lost that game. How you have 12 people on the field, Denver's kicker literally missed the game winning FG and because of the 12 men got moved closer and a second shot.
I think it's the fox owner who wants that narrative out tbh. It's like they knew not to mistakenly add Lamar to that conversation. If you go back and listen to joy take on Lamar at the end it's like she doesn't agree with the narrative already to not have Lamar in the conversation. It's anger from her mainstream media is just misleading at times. I completely agree for a none football fan to listen to this debate they would assume Lamar 2x MVP(unanimous 1x) is just a guy tbh. 20-1 vs NFC never missed a postseason when he lead the ravens, two number 1 seeds,75%+ winning record and lead the NFL in pocket passing touchdowns 2019
@@nickisue044 So 3 possession that should’ve been a scoring for Buffalo got waisted by Josh and defense still bailed him out but we blaming special team? Lol
@@Los150 saying an injury excuse for Josh allen is halarious, ravens for 3 years in a row we’re most injured team yet he still wins games playing in a far and away harder division
Shady you weren’t giving Deshaun Watson or Justin Herbert the injury pass but Josh Allen gets that pass 🤣, Browns makin playoffs with way more injuries
...and the Browns are in the playoffs with more injuries to key players than any other NFL team. According to the panel's criteria, is Joe Flacco elite???? this segment is whack.
“How imma win when my whole team hurt” 😂😂 Lamar had his team #1 in the AFC going into week 12 with 20+ people on IR before his injury and y’all still keep disrespecting him
I was minding my own business not paying attention then Joi said if Lamar Jackson wins the Super Bowl and two MVPs she will move him ahead of Josh?!?! So Lamar has to win a Super Bowl and 2 MVPs to be ahead of a guy that hasn’t been to the superbowl or won an MVP??? 🤦🏾♂️
Lamar necessarily doesn’t deserve the mvp this year with his stats but will likely win it anyway. But regardless Allen has been better than Lamar every year since Lamar’s MVP season. Doesn’t mean Lamar isn’t great. It’s just Allen has been better. The media just loves to tear Allen apart and Lamar fans love to tear other players apart to put Lamar above them.
@@larry2281he doesn’t deserve MVP. You’re right. He EARNED MVP. The Most Valuable Player award. It’s not the, “best stats award”. Lamar hasn’t even been healthy for a full season since he won his unanimous MVP so I’ll give you that. But, this whole video was them putting Josh up on a pedestal and saying he’s great. There’s literally no one that tears Josh Allen down. He’s always in the convo with Pat as the top 2 QBs. You gotta just be real with yourself and admit that you don’t like Lamar
@@AllWavier Mvp is a statistical based award. It always has been. His stats aren’t mvp stats. When did I ever say I didn’t like Lamar? Lamar is great. He just isn’t the mvp this year. And the media definitely tears Allen apart. All they like to do is bring up his turnovers. Yes he’s been praised as the best QB in the league along with Mahomes because rightfully so he has been. Doesn’t take away from the fact the media loves to talk more about his downsides than upsides. That’s all they have done this season but won’t ever mention he leads the league in touchdowns. He’s set two nfl records this year and the media still tears him apart. Nick Wright for example absolutely hates the man.
Burrow and Allen have 2 of the best WRs period! Pat had the best ever for years… Lamar had who??? Now he has a great WR core but took 6 years to get and now look! He is the best
@@billsfanatic7288Lamar has 10 seconds because he creates it. Our OLine been banged up and rotated In and Out all season. That why people being saying he’s the mvp. You have to watch the ravens play. These media outlets spread lies and misinformation and people take them at face value with their own research. That’s why ravens fans be pushing so hard in the comments. We see the real and the media comes on air and create narratives. Context matters with all teams to gain a better perspective on the player, game, team, or season
I am putting Lamar in front of Josh because of production. I don't care how talented Josh looks, what does that equate to on the field. How does the media constantly say that Lamar is asked to do more than any other QB, watch him do it, then be like this other QB is better because, what, he can run people over? Is he a running back or a QB? It sounds to me like Josh gets a positive look by the media over the exact same thing Lamar is always criticized over. Keep that same energy with Lamar. Y'all buggin.
Josh Allen has never in his career been better than Lamar Jackson. The year Lamar gets comparable weapons, to where he’s not having to carry every single thing, he instantly became the most dominant QB in football.
Mad disrespectful to James! I thought I was the only one seeing it. James is always calm about it though but I guess that’s cause 9/10 his takes are better than Shady but he needs to be checked
Again!!!!! Lamar is graded on a different scale. He has to be better winning 2 MVP’s. In my opinion will be in the Super Bowl and will silence the haters. Josh never had a perfect passer rating but he leads in touchdowns and interceptions. How is that elite?
Crazy, right! And Josh doesn’t even lead in TDs just INTs. Dak lead the NFL in TDs. I think Jordan was second. Josh has lead the NFL in turnovers two years in a row and overall since he’s been a starter in this league.Not a peep about it. Dak had a “one-off” season last year w INTs and the media won’t let it go, nor will they give even half that criticism energy to praising him for having the best TD/INT ratio in the game this season.
42 touchdowns. 40+ for four seasons straight. Four playoff wins to ONE. Including beating Lamar head to head. That was cute you conveniently left all that out though 😂
@Los150 nothing he did in previous seasons matter to what the topic is, this season. And I said nothing about Lamar Jackson. If I'm not mistaken he is also leading the league in turnovers. His team might not make the playoffs.
Shady in this clip saying burrow getting to the Super Bowl means nothing when comparing him to Josh. Now that same Super Bowl appearance means something for hurts over dak. It’s constantly mesntioned on this show and with most cowboys haters.😅
@SPEAK: Allen has no excuses. Here's Why: Jackson has played his team in position to make the playoffs every year sense he was the opening season starter. Name his top 10 receivers he has had at his disposal? Allen/Jackson have both done amazing things with their arms and legs. Constantly Allen has had the better teams since entering the league and definitely the better offensives. Elite is the ability to overcome the weaknesses and achieve regardless. This is the first real year where he has to perform regardless. Now as far as Allen is concerned he has been as consistent and water some games he's solid, liquid, or just gas like Purdy in the loss to the Ravens. Allen is great when he's hot . In reality he has been a candle burning in different size rooms. When the room is small he's a blazing fire in a big room he is Mr. Irrelevant. Now tell me how I'm wrong
Wasn't going to comment, but it just became clear these guys are trying to play a narrative that avoids including Lamar. Guess he's not quarterbacky enough.
You do know that you can win MVP and not be the best that year it happens all the time his first one no doubt he was THE best player but this year they could have gave it to a different players like at least 2-3 of them
@malachilindo5561 Yes, but josh allen hasn't done anything to prove he's better than lamar as is. Unless you count playoff success as the sole responsibility of the QB. Side note If age wasn't a factor, I'm taking stafford over Allen as well
@@thatgwana yea ofc if age didn’t matter but it does so that don’t count. Also either way those things matter when it comes in to play with someone being called elite drew brees should have at least 2 MVPS but since arod was arod he got it playoffs matter the way you play matter. Brett Favre has how many MVPS and he was a turnover machine also so idk I think they’re equal bc they both have done things the other hasn’t
@malachilindo5561 what I'm saying is that Allen hasn't been significantly better than Lamar and other top tier qbs outside of that one playoff run to be universally considered top 3. He's still really good but he gets way more credit than he has earned imo
Y’all know 95% of the media including Acho will try to scapegoat either the coach or stefon diggs if the Bills don’t make the playoffs. The NFL and media just love Josh Allen. They won’t stop dreaming of him being the face of the leage over Mahommes. We all know why.
@@dactylicpoet791Yet who gets the most excuses all the time and when it comes to contract negotiations who gets it with no question and who gets “but he is injury prone” “but he is a runner”? 🤔
Lamar is elite and Josh shouldn't be in the conversation just based on talent. 2x mvp, top 3 winningest QB, best dual threat ever. BTW, if Lamar wins the MVP again and then a Superbowl MVP, he can start working on a rough draft to his HOF speech, right along side Patrick..
Bro Allen literally has better stats in every category than Lamar. The only reason he is gonna win mvp is because he's on an amazing team. Put allen on the ravens I bet allens stats are even better than they are now it's literally because of the team
I don't even want to watch this show anymore because they keep forgetting Lamar. Bro about to be a 2-time MVP and we still not mentioning him over Burrow and Allen
@@tylerprince5532 Lamar is the most winning QB under the Age of 25 of all time with 41 wins, at the same time we can acknowledge he has the worst supporting cast outta all the QB’s he’s competing with
all these arguments could be made about Lamar, its wild no one brings him up. “If 4 top of your top players are out, what do you want ur QB to do?” Idk, win an MVP and lock the #1 seed in the AFC when Andrews (#1 target), Dobbins (#1 RB), Mitchell (#2 RB) and Humphrey (#1 CB) are injured. Talking about how more is expected of Josh Allen bc his division is trash - meanwhile AFC North is the most competitive in the NFL. “Josh Allen has a crutch in Diggs” and Mahomes has Kelce, Tua has Tyreek, Burrow has Chase, Lamar has? old OBJ and a bunch of rookies. “Who can run and throw like Allen?” i dont even need to address this…
He has taken them to the playoffs, goofy. Four playoff wins to one of fact. Lamar hasn’t even sniffed an AFC title game. Slow down on regular season awards lol
Lamar Jackson > Allen anyday, everyday. Lamar has done more with a lot less. None of these other QBs are winning unanimous MVP, let alone 14 wins with that 2019 squad
The hate for Lamar is unreal smh bruh the way yall be praising Josh and Burrow smh man. Lamar has to be undeniable And he will make sure it happen this year.😤😤
Shady point is so cringe. Lamar went in to a season with over 10 starters on IR & had his team first place in the AFC before getting hurt himself. Like what are you talking about? Stop giving these so called “elite” guys passes when you don’t do that for no other Quarterbacks
Bro Allen literally has better stats in every category than Lamar. The only reason he is gonna win mvp is because he's on an amazing team. Put allen on the ravens I bet allens stats are even better than they are now it's literally because of the team
@@Animals_areLife42735 he’s on a amazing team because Lamar makes them amazing. Josh Allen ain’t on a amazing team because he’s incapable of making the team amazing. 😂
Bro the sports media really don’t like Lamar Jackson They keep putting Patrick, Joe and Allen above him 😂 it’s ridiculous that they don’t talk about what Lamar has done and what type of player he is
Call me recently biased call me a hater call me whatever you want. WHY can Joe Burrow have 2 season ending injuries in LESS time in the league than Lamar Jackson but when Joe Burrow is hurt he gets a pass and is always considered elite and when Lamar is hurt and holds out for a contract he is labeled “injury prone”
You guys either really hate Lamar or just pure jealous 1:51 This about to be a 2X MVP Lamar has never had a 6-6 record at any point in his career. Joe and Josh both have no mvps and 1 all pro Stop with this bias it’s sad . Shady not credible no more he said forget the accolades whattttt Ya put Lamar down to build Josh up Imagine if Lamar was on the brink to now miss the playoffs you guys would be saying the most . This like saying Joe Flacco was better the Arron Rodger’s because he had more playoff success Josh has no award and 2 pro bowls stop comparing these dudes to a 2x mvp Joy said if Lamar goes on a playoff run 🤦♂️ ight she’s lost credibility now too
He's so wrong it's insane. No, zero chance burrow or mahomes takes this bills team to the playoffs or wins more games. For one burrow is being proven to not be as good as they think. He is a system player, Jake browning has had good success with that team and he isn't elite. Even mahomes right now only has 10 wins with a team ID consider more complete than the bills and with Andy Reid at the helm. It's a special qb that leads these bills teams to all these wins. Considering their only true talent on offense has been Diggs for years, it takes a qb that can hurdle defenders, one that can drag 3 guys 5 yards into the endzone, one that can truck linebackers. Mahomes or burrow can't do that. Pure arm talent mahomes has Josh beat. Doesn't have Josh's power, but he's more accurate and intuitive. But it's Josh's athleticism and physicality that puts him up there. He's up there in the top 5 for passing tds and yards every year. This year he's closer to top 10 with yards, but still is top 5 for passing tuds. But he also has 15 rushing tuds and almost 1000 yards on the ground. That's what makes Josh elite, his arm is top 5 in the league and his physicality and rushing is top 3. And this season he has brought this team to the cusp of the 2nd seed with their one true talent not producing and with 4 of our top 5 guys on defense being gone. No one else in the league does what he's done with this team.
These convos are maddening “No one with accolades…” Really? Lamar Jackson is about to have 2 MVPs. Him and Mahomes are the best two Quarterbacks period. Literally the only reason everyone puts Burrow and Allen in the “number two” conversation is because one beat Mahomes and the other almost did. It’s literally the most disingenuous debate over the past 3-4 years and I’m sick of hearing people talk about players like they are that dude when they haven’t done squat. Heck, I’ll even put Hurts ahead of them based on their discussions because Hurts got to a Super Bowl and had a close game with Mahomes where people believe if they got the ball back they would’ve won… the same things they use to justify Burrow and Allen. And don’t even start with the “eye” test. If the eye test really matters why isn’t Herbert in the convo? Because at the end of the day you are elite based on what you’ve ACHIEVED, and right now it seems like the entire world thinks any white QB who plays Mahomes tough or beats him in the playoffs is automatically in the elite conversation and that is absolutely absurd
There are tons of hall of fame quarterbacks who've never been to a Super Bowl. D*** marino only been There once and he's considered one of the best quarterbacks of all time .
Josh has dealt with a fraction of what Lamar has dealt with yet he never got a pass. He got knocked for not having receivers. He’s better than Mahomes to me. Mahomes can’t make anything work. Ijs It’s different. Lamar is a better athlete and qb because he plays different at a higher level. He doesn’t get excuses
I can't believe you guys put broke down Joe burrow and Josh Allen over LAMAR JACKSON well you matter well put Trevor Lawrence as a elite quarterback please make it makes sense
Really don’t understand why y’all think josh better than Lamar. Talent isn’t everything but what you do with it. This is why we look at Herbert differently. This love for josh allen is becoming more of a fetish for talent. Also browns are making the playoffs w no qb but josh can’t make it cause his defense got hurt?
Funny how a man closing in on 2 MVPs and both could be unanimous and not in your top 3!!! Not only that Ravens had the most stars injured and Lamar at the helm still made us a contender til he got hurt and we missed the playoffs. Check the power rankings that year. We had lost all 3 RBs Marquis Brown missed like 4 games Ronnie Stanley out for the year Defense was also injured. MP was out for the year, Earl Thomas got cut, Marlo got injured. But we was still winning games with Lamar. It shows that people don't really watch Ravens games... They just see the highlights.
Allen is an elite talent but that doesn't mean he is necessarily an elite player. No one would say brees was an elite talent but he is a top 10 all time. There are lots of player that had talent that weren't elite.
If you lead the league in touchdowns in a season, better yet leads the lead in touchdowns since 2019, and have the 2nd best record in the league as well since then. You are definitely an elite player.
@larry2281 you also lead the league in turnovers since you entered the league and can find 4 games in a season that you lost for your team it's hard to call you elite. Kirk cousins has great stats.
Joe Burrow has missed the playoffs twice now. Idk about injury. Bengals were on pace to miss playoffs even when Burrow was playing. Allen is the most underrated qb all of the sudden
Arguing team accolades is so dumb. Look at Mahomes this year with his pedestrian offense. Just like what Lamar and Allen have to deal with. Outside Allen/Diggs and Lamar/Andrews they have no real weapons. Burrow and Mahomes have had multiple weapons every year until this year when Mahomes has nobody but Kelce. Look at him now.
Yeh Lamar's game is beautiful. He's a superb decision maker and executor. He's the best QB in the league. My boy Josh gotta snipe the Fins and make a deep playoff run to overshadow this choppy season's performance.
Josh allen wins 66% of the time, Lamar wins 75% of the time. Lamar's "1-3 in the playoffs" he was a ROOKIE the first time, got injured in the one against the Bills, and while he didnt play great againat Tennessee, neither did the wrs who dropped several balls that game (mahomes been getting excuses all year despite 60 qbrs). If Lamar wins a Superbowl he'll almost certainly be a Hall of Famer. If it were to end today, neither burrow nor allen would make the Hall of Fame. This is tired, just admit, yall not gonna respect Lamar until he wins 2 or 3 games in January/February 😂
Bro Allen literally has better stats in every category than Lamar. The only reason he is gonna win mvp is because he's on an amazing team. Put allen on the ravens I bet allens stats are even better than they are now it's literally because of the team
Yahll meaning Speak are really trying to sit here and say Lamar Jackson isn’t a top 3 QB in the AFC. He’s 2nd in my eyes behind Pat. But I’m so confused how all 4 of them really have Josh Allen and Joe Burrow ahead of Lamar. They must be looking at analytics and realize talking bad about Lamar gets them more views and clicks cause this is crazy. Man about to be 2 time unanimous MVP but you sitting here saying Josh is better than
Another bum take by Shady. Buffalo was 5-5 when they were thinking we can win with elite Josh Allen but they fired the OC because of that thinking. Buffalo CHANGED their thinking and are 5-1 in the last 6 games because of the run game not JOSH ALLEN.
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Lmao the Lamar disrespect continues to be flagrant. Not a single one of them said Lamar. Wild.
Joy did
Joy said Lamar
Lamar had his #1 RB JK Dobnins out first game of the season. He lost his #1 weapon Mark Andrews 5 weeks ago. Lost his second RB Mitchell. Our best CB Marlo was out most of the season but Lamar still carried the team to the #1 seed in the AFC and he played in the toughest division in the NFL. Miss me with the injury excuses. They lost the Bills, Broncos game cuz of him: he had 3TO in both games.
Man tell them
give me a break, Denver scored a total of 3 points off those turnovers. Special teams lost that game. How you have 12 people on the field, Denver's kicker literally missed the game winning FG and because of the 12 men got moved closer and a second shot.
@@nickisue044So Josh Allen did have two of those four turnovers himself?
I think it's the fox owner who wants that narrative out tbh.
It's like they knew not to mistakenly add Lamar to that conversation.
If you go back and listen to joy take on Lamar at the end it's like she doesn't agree with the narrative already to not have Lamar in the conversation. It's anger from her mainstream media is just misleading at times.
I completely agree for a none football fan to listen to this debate they would assume Lamar 2x MVP(unanimous 1x) is just a guy tbh. 20-1 vs NFC never missed a postseason when he lead the ravens, two number 1 seeds,75%+ winning record and lead the NFL in pocket passing touchdowns 2019
@@nickisue044 So 3 possession that should’ve been a scoring for Buffalo got waisted by Josh and defense still bailed him out but we blaming special team? Lol
I just can’t get over the fact the media still leaving Lamar Jackson out of the conversation with Joe Josh and mahomes
Not only leaving him out, they give the others more benefit of the doubt than Lamar too.
He’s about to win his 2nd MVP. What are you talking about? Lol
@@Los150the conversation they had duh?
@@Los150 saying an injury excuse for
Josh allen is halarious, ravens for 3 years in a row we’re most injured team yet he still wins games playing in a far and away harder division
Mahomes, Joe and Josh have all at least made it to the AFC Championship game. Lamar hasn’t even been past the divisional round.
Shady you weren’t giving Deshaun Watson or Justin Herbert the injury pass but Josh Allen gets that pass 🤣, Browns makin playoffs with way more injuries
Hey they got mad at Deshaun for winning games for the team
Facts lol 😂
The panel favs get excuses
Every team has injuries
...and the Browns are in the playoffs with more injuries to key players than any other NFL team. According to the panel's criteria, is Joe Flacco elite???? this segment is whack.
“How imma win when my whole team hurt” 😂😂 Lamar had his team #1 in the AFC going into week 12 with 20+ people on IR before his injury and y’all still keep disrespecting him
I was minding my own business not paying attention then Joi said if Lamar Jackson wins the Super Bowl and two MVPs she will move him ahead of Josh?!?! So Lamar has to win a Super Bowl and 2 MVPs to be ahead of a guy that hasn’t been to the superbowl or won an MVP??? 🤦🏾♂️
Remember Joy is not up there because she knows football 😂😂😂
Lamar necessarily doesn’t deserve the mvp this year with his stats but will likely win it anyway. But regardless Allen has been better than Lamar every year since Lamar’s MVP season. Doesn’t mean Lamar isn’t great. It’s just Allen has been better. The media just loves to tear Allen apart and Lamar fans love to tear other players apart to put Lamar above them.
@@larry2281he doesn’t deserve MVP. You’re right. He EARNED MVP. The Most Valuable Player award. It’s not the, “best stats award”. Lamar hasn’t even been healthy for a full season since he won his unanimous MVP so I’ll give you that. But, this whole video was them putting Josh up on a pedestal and saying he’s great. There’s literally no one that tears Josh Allen down. He’s always in the convo with Pat as the top 2 QBs. You gotta just be real with yourself and admit that you don’t like Lamar
@@AllWavier Mvp is a statistical based award. It always has been. His stats aren’t mvp stats. When did I ever say I didn’t like Lamar? Lamar is great. He just isn’t the mvp this year. And the media definitely tears Allen apart. All they like to do is bring up his turnovers. Yes he’s been praised as the best QB in the league along with Mahomes because rightfully so he has been. Doesn’t take away from the fact the media loves to talk more about his downsides than upsides. That’s all they have done this season but won’t ever mention he leads the league in touchdowns. He’s set two nfl records this year and the media still tears him apart. Nick Wright for example absolutely hates the man.
@@larry2281Lamar leads his team in touchdowns, passing yards and rushing yards and they’re the #1 seed. He’s by far played way better then Josh Allen
Burrow and Allen have 2 of the best WRs period! Pat had the best ever for years… Lamar had who??? Now he has a great WR core but took 6 years to get and now look! He is the best
Lamar has ten seconds in the pocket every play and the best defense ever as far as comparable to rest of league that said season
@@billsfanatic7288Lamar has 10 seconds because he creates it. Our OLine been banged up and rotated In and Out all season. That why people being saying he’s the mvp. You have to watch the ravens play. These media outlets spread lies and misinformation and people take them at face value with their own research. That’s why ravens fans be pushing so hard in the comments. We see the real and the media comes on air and create narratives. Context matters with all teams to gain a better perspective on the player, game, team, or season
@@billsfanatic7288aint josh allen had the number 1 scoring defense ? And aint make a sb
@@E-Money1130G. These ppl don't watch raven games. They just copy what another person says who didn't watch either..
Why has he been bottom 15 in passing yards and tds all season then??
Leaving Lamar out is crazy
He's the 4th best AFC QB
Show me his standout playoff performance
@@brandonk33852 mvps, hall of fame
@@valenciafantv doesn't change the fact that he's abysmal when it matters.
@@brandonk3385 abysmal.. look at the stats
This whole segment wild man. Shady just said you won’t see another quarterback that can run and throw like Josh.
He’s right
Lamar has an arm and can run. They forgot about Cam too I guess lol
@@billsfanatic7288do you watch football ?
@@justinbellamy1399nope… he barely even watches the bills for that matter..
Ya this was easily the worst segment I’ve ever seen them have. Shameful even.
I think McCoy has a crush on Josh Allen! I don’t have Josh Allen in my top ten of quarterbacks
I am putting Lamar in front of Josh because of production. I don't care how talented Josh looks, what does that equate to on the field. How does the media constantly say that Lamar is asked to do more than any other QB, watch him do it, then be like this other QB is better because, what, he can run people over? Is he a running back or a QB? It sounds to me like Josh gets a positive look by the media over the exact same thing Lamar is always criticized over. Keep that same energy with Lamar. Y'all buggin.
Josh's production is elite. 15 rushing TDs ain't no joke. Ya'll love it when Cam did it and ya'll love it when Jalen does it.
Josh Allen has never in his career been better than Lamar Jackson. The year Lamar gets comparable weapons, to where he’s not having to carry every single thing, he instantly became the most dominant QB in football.
Josh Allen has been better than Lamar every year since 2020. Don’t be stupid.
What happened in the playoffs
Josh has three seasons better than Lamar’s MVP season😂😂 what are you on
@@billsfanatic7288 😂 You just typing just to type I see. Josh Allen’s 2020 season was his best and doesn’t even compare to Lamar’s 2019 season.
@@larry2281What does Josh Allen have that Lamar doesn’t?
You said you never see guys run and throw like Allen as if Lamar doesn’t exist
Any given Sunday in putting Lamar over Josh.... In all categories
Now Shady don't care about a QB going to the SB it don't matter but always uses the argument to defend Jalen
Cowboys fans stop watching if you hate it so much
Facts u not lying.
Shady is very disrespectful to James jones .. shady brings nothing to the conversation.. he’s easily side tracked I’m glad Acho called him out..
Yeah James gotta check him n Shady act like he da bomb cuz he got 2 rings on da bench
That's why Dave is gone I believe. But Dave's show is pretty good.
@captainchaosxx3866 Real Spill
Mad disrespectful to James! I thought I was the only one seeing it. James is always calm about it though but I guess that’s cause 9/10 his takes are better than Shady but he needs to be checked
@@captainchaosxx3866which Dave?
Shady asking Acho about his opinion on Lamar like Acho ain’t the biggest hater
Again!!!!! Lamar is graded on a different scale. He has to be better winning 2 MVP’s. In my opinion will be in the Super Bowl and will silence the haters. Josh never had a perfect passer rating but he leads in touchdowns and interceptions. How is that elite?
Allen has more playoff success, Lamar gotta equal that first.
Crazy, right! And Josh doesn’t even lead in TDs just INTs. Dak lead the NFL in TDs. I think Jordan was second. Josh has lead the NFL in turnovers two years in a row and overall since he’s been a starter in this league.Not a peep about it. Dak had a “one-off” season last year w INTs and the media won’t let it go, nor will they give even half that criticism energy to praising him for having the best TD/INT ratio in the game this season.
These excuses man. Ravens deal w injuries every year n they still go to playoffs
Pretending Allen is better than Lamar is laughable. Allen is the most unaccomplished "eLiTe" qb I've ever seen.
It’s blasphemous to keep putting Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson as a top 3 QB talent with Mahomes and Burrow 🤦🏾♂️
Like Lamar said we want to be underdog. The media gonna hate on Lamar even when we win this year. The media gonna make excuses for the white QB.
Big facts and they gone keep doing it til he win a Superbowl and it so sad and embarrassing for the Media
Josh Allen has 27tds and 16ints passing.
15tds rushing
5 lost fumbles. 20 turnovers is pretty bad but he is the real deal. 😒
42 touchdowns. 40+ for four seasons straight. Four playoff wins to ONE. Including beating Lamar head to head. That was cute you conveniently left all that out though 😂
@Los150 nothing he did in previous seasons matter to what the topic is, this season. And I said nothing about Lamar Jackson. If I'm not mistaken he is also leading the league in turnovers. His team might not make the playoffs.
His TD to turnover ratio is not even that bad compared to most QBs
@@tquatMassEffect 20 turnovers by a single player is a lot no matter how you slice it.
@@Los150HE'S NOT BETTER THAN LAMAR. THAT MF IS A TURNOVER MACHINE
But when Winston throws for 5,000 yds all the media talked about was his interceptions…..
That what I’m saying.
He threw 30 of them, come on now. Stop acting like thats not a big deal.
@@blackanimelover18 Josh leads the league in Turnovers for the 2nd Straight season….. cmon now stop acting like it’s not about prejudice
Josh Allen can say he has the most interceptions thrown
EXACTLY! AS HE'S MOSTLY ALWAYS HAS
How about all those elite ints allen is throwing. Jackson belongs in this category hands down.
Shady in this clip saying burrow getting to the Super Bowl means nothing when comparing him to Josh. Now that same Super Bowl appearance means something for hurts over dak. It’s constantly mesntioned on this show and with most cowboys haters.😅
Exactly 😂 if we were talking about Jalen Hurts, he would’ve said “hurts got to a super-bowl though”
Man I thought I was tripping, all they do is mention Hurts went To a Super Bowl lol
@@gclay3176 he only uses it when it’s convenient for him
If y’all COWBOYS fans hate SHADY so much stop watching - go watch Skip
@@o4tw382 be quiet
Josh Allen gets more excuses than any qb I seen in a long time
Him n Herbert
Definitely
@@TownBizz-r1dI call them the great big whites. If Drake Maye puts up a couple highlights he’ll be right there too
nfl poster boys@@TownBizz-r1d
@@TownBizz-r1dHerbert has had poor coaching in his defense, but Allen has NO excuse
James is cool calm and collected, Shady is all animated and what not 😂
@SPEAK: Allen has no excuses. Here's Why: Jackson has played his team in position to make the playoffs every year sense he was the opening season starter. Name his top 10 receivers he has had at his disposal? Allen/Jackson have both done amazing things with their arms and legs. Constantly Allen has had the better teams since entering the league and definitely the better offensives. Elite is the ability to overcome the weaknesses and achieve regardless. This is the first real year where he has to perform regardless. Now as far as Allen is concerned he has been as consistent and water some games he's solid, liquid, or just gas like Purdy in the loss to the Ravens. Allen is great when he's hot . In reality he has been a candle burning in different size rooms. When the room is small he's a blazing fire in a big room he is Mr. Irrelevant. Now tell me how I'm wrong
Wasn't going to comment, but it just became clear these guys are trying to play a narrative that avoids including Lamar. Guess he's not quarterbacky enough.
Riiiiight
Give me 1 legit reason why josh is ahead of lamar if lamar becomes the youngest 2 time mvp
There won’t be any reason
You do know that you can win MVP and not be the best that year it happens all the time his first one no doubt he was THE best player but this year they could have gave it to a different players like at least 2-3 of them
@malachilindo5561 Yes, but josh allen hasn't done anything to prove he's better than lamar as is. Unless you count playoff success as the sole responsibility of the QB. Side note If age wasn't a factor, I'm taking stafford over Allen as well
@@thatgwana yea ofc if age didn’t matter but it does so that don’t count. Also either way those things matter when it comes in to play with someone being called elite drew brees should have at least 2 MVPS but since arod was arod he got it playoffs matter the way you play matter. Brett Favre has how many MVPS and he was a turnover machine also so idk I think they’re equal bc they both have done things the other hasn’t
@malachilindo5561 what I'm saying is that Allen hasn't been significantly better than Lamar and other top tier qbs outside of that one playoff run to be universally considered top 3. He's still really good but he gets way more credit than he has earned imo
Y’all know 95% of the media including Acho will try to scapegoat either the coach or stefon diggs if the Bills don’t make the playoffs. The NFL and media just love Josh Allen. They won’t stop dreaming of him being the face of the leage over Mahommes. We all know why.
You act like the NFL ain't like 90% black with most of the good QBs being black too.
@@dactylicpoet791Yet who gets the most excuses all the time and when it comes to contract negotiations who gets it with no question and who gets “but he is injury prone” “but he is a runner”? 🤔
Lmao man cut it out. This dude scored 42 touchdowns and didn’t make the pro bowl. You listen to Nick Wright too much
@@Los150 How many TO? 🤔
@@Messigoat1033
Two Ints and 15 TDs more than Mahommes
Lamar is elite and Josh shouldn't be in the conversation just based on talent. 2x mvp, top 3 winningest QB, best dual threat ever. BTW, if Lamar wins the MVP again and then a Superbowl MVP, he can start working on a rough draft to his HOF speech, right along side Patrick..
Bro Allen literally has better stats in every category than Lamar. The only reason he is gonna win mvp is because he's on an amazing team. Put allen on the ravens I bet allens stats are even better than they are now it's literally because of the team
Mahomes has less career TD’s than Joe Flacco, they won’t get into the hall of fame if they retired today.
Facts !!!!
I don't even want to watch this show anymore because they keep forgetting Lamar. Bro about to be a 2-time MVP and we still not mentioning him over Burrow and Allen
It drives me crazy!!
Where the playoff stats?
Joy brought up the best point. He has the Jets in the Patriots in his division and struggled this season
Gets under my skin how they say Joe Burrow and Josh Allen over Lamar lmao
DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!
I think Burrow is better than Lamar but Lamar is better than Allen
Look at the career stats and playoff success. Com’n guys.
@@tylerprince5532 Lamar is the most winning QB under the Age of 25 of all time with 41 wins, at the same time we can acknowledge he has the worst supporting cast outta all the QB’s he’s competing with
That playoff talk is gonna end soon, then people won’t have no choice but to Put Lamar under Patty with Both the Regular Szn stats/awards and post szn
Two best qbs are
Jackson and Mahomes.
Stop it with the Allen and Burrow bs.
all these arguments could be made about Lamar, its wild no one brings him up.
“If 4 top of your top players are out, what do you want ur QB to do?” Idk, win an MVP and lock the #1 seed in the AFC when Andrews (#1 target), Dobbins (#1 RB), Mitchell (#2 RB) and Humphrey (#1 CB) are injured.
Talking about how more is expected of Josh Allen bc his division is trash - meanwhile AFC North is the most competitive in the NFL.
“Josh Allen has a crutch in Diggs” and Mahomes has Kelce, Tua has Tyreek, Burrow has Chase, Lamar has? old OBJ and a bunch of rookies.
“Who can run and throw like Allen?” i dont even need to address this…
Josh hasn’t won an mvp yet he over Lamar and Lamar could early take that bills team to the playoffs
He has taken them to the playoffs, goofy. Four playoff wins to one of fact. Lamar hasn’t even sniffed an AFC title game. Slow down on regular season awards lol
@@Los150Anyone with a brain knows that Lamar doesn’t even deserve the mvp this year as well with those stats but he will most likely win it.
The elite accolades goes to Lamar and pat and AR
Shady is tweaking the F out this episode. He's legit HIGHHHHHHH!
how long until we stop giving josh a pass like people was doing justin herbert at first?? seriously?
Thank u
But Herbert is actually bad, Allen is actually good
Allen actually has playoff success.
@@blackanimelover18 bruh has progressively gotten worse in the playoffs 😂
@@NeverSober8008 based on what
Can’t find you three QBs better than Josh Allen is Wild
Nah only one I'd honestly take over Allen is Mahomes.
Lamar Jackson > Allen anyday, everyday. Lamar has done more with a lot less. None of these other QBs are winning unanimous MVP, let alone 14 wins with that 2019 squad
He has? Then why has Allen won 4 playoff games with a far better passer rating and Lamar has one? Including a head to head loss.
@@Los150 This is Lamars first year with a legit offense. We've all seen how Josh Allen looked like before Diggs got there.
@@x96tilinfinityHe led his team to the playoffs without Diggs and HORRIBLE pieces around him lol
@@x96tilinfinitywhat are you talking about? The 2019 Ravens had the top scoring offense in the NFL.
@@LuckyFin85 I wonder why...
The hate for Lamar is unreal smh bruh the way yall be praising Josh and Burrow smh man.
Lamar has to be undeniable
And he will make sure it happen this year.😤😤
Shady saying I only respect the winners is dumb af. How many greats haven't won a chip, so you don't respect them either? Smh
Shady literally said THIS WEEK that it’s really tough to get to a superbowl. He has no consistency
Shady point is so cringe. Lamar went in to a season with over 10 starters on IR & had his team first place in the AFC before getting hurt himself. Like what are you talking about? Stop giving these so called “elite” guys passes when you don’t do that for no other Quarterbacks
Bro Allen literally has better stats in every category than Lamar. The only reason he is gonna win mvp is because he's on an amazing team. Put allen on the ravens I bet allens stats are even better than they are now it's literally because of the team
@@Animals_areLife42735 he’s on a amazing team because Lamar makes them amazing. Josh Allen ain’t on a amazing team because he’s incapable of making the team amazing. 😂
Shady n JJ b crackin me up!! Shady better tread lightly cuz my patna from da Bay cuzzin!! W ❤
Bro the sports media really don’t like Lamar Jackson
They keep putting Patrick, Joe and Allen above him 😂 it’s ridiculous that they don’t talk about what Lamar has done and what type of player he is
The only QB that should be over Lamar is Patrick Mahomes
Pats the best in the league.
Lamar Jackson is black dam I hate so bad on him
Imma Bills fan and I would definitely put Lamar over Josh!!! He’s(Shady) crazy
Thank You Sir
All shady do is make excuses. Patty and Lamar. Everybody else falls behind that.
I hope Lamar finally wins a title this year that why he can shut up all these haters 😤
Shadys argument is weak! Sure Buffalos D suffered a bunch of injuries. But the offense core players have mostly been healthy all year.
Call me recently biased call me a hater call me whatever you want.
WHY can Joe Burrow have 2 season ending injuries in LESS time in the league than Lamar Jackson but when Joe Burrow is hurt he gets a pass and is always considered elite and when Lamar is hurt and holds out for a contract he is labeled “injury prone”
Josh Allen elite.....????!!!!!! How or why.....?????!!!!!!
Shady always in denial with teams he’s played for. This dude is so scared of losing face and saying anything bad about his former teams.
You guys either really hate Lamar or just pure jealous 1:51
This about to be a 2X MVP
Lamar has never had a 6-6 record at any point in his career.
Joe and Josh both have no mvps and 1 all pro
Stop with this bias it’s sad .
Shady not credible no more he said forget the accolades whattttt
Ya put Lamar down to build Josh up
Imagine if Lamar was on the brink to now miss the playoffs you guys would be saying the most .
This like saying Joe Flacco was better the Arron Rodger’s because he had more playoff success
Josh has no award and 2 pro bowls stop comparing these dudes to a 2x mvp
Joy said if Lamar goes on a playoff run 🤦♂️ ight she’s lost credibility now too
He's so wrong it's insane. No, zero chance burrow or mahomes takes this bills team to the playoffs or wins more games. For one burrow is being proven to not be as good as they think. He is a system player, Jake browning has had good success with that team and he isn't elite. Even mahomes right now only has 10 wins with a team ID consider more complete than the bills and with Andy Reid at the helm. It's a special qb that leads these bills teams to all these wins. Considering their only true talent on offense has been Diggs for years, it takes a qb that can hurdle defenders, one that can drag 3 guys 5 yards into the endzone, one that can truck linebackers. Mahomes or burrow can't do that. Pure arm talent mahomes has Josh beat. Doesn't have Josh's power, but he's more accurate and intuitive. But it's Josh's athleticism and physicality that puts him up there. He's up there in the top 5 for passing tds and yards every year. This year he's closer to top 10 with yards, but still is top 5 for passing tuds. But he also has 15 rushing tuds and almost 1000 yards on the ground. That's what makes Josh elite, his arm is top 5 in the league and his physicality and rushing is top 3. And this season he has brought this team to the cusp of the 2nd seed with their one true talent not producing and with 4 of our top 5 guys on defense being gone. No one else in the league does what he's done with this team.
Dallas is making the playoffs for the 3rd straight year with injuries! But Dak never gets a pass. Shady needs a new profession
Dak has 2 playoff wins after all the times he’s been in the league
If y’all Cowboys fans hate Shady so much stop watching and go watch Skip
If y’all Cowboys fans hate Shady so much stop watching and go watch Skip
These convos are maddening “No one with accolades…” Really? Lamar Jackson is about to have 2 MVPs. Him and Mahomes are the best two Quarterbacks period. Literally the only reason everyone puts Burrow and Allen in the “number two” conversation is because one beat Mahomes and the other almost did. It’s literally the most disingenuous debate over the past 3-4 years and I’m sick of hearing people talk about players like they are that dude when they haven’t done squat. Heck, I’ll even put Hurts ahead of them based on their discussions because Hurts got to a Super Bowl and had a close game with Mahomes where people believe if they got the ball back they would’ve won… the same things they use to justify Burrow and Allen. And don’t even start with the “eye” test. If the eye test really matters why isn’t Herbert in the convo? Because at the end of the day you are elite based on what you’ve ACHIEVED, and right now it seems like the entire world thinks any white QB who plays Mahomes tough or beats him in the playoffs is automatically in the elite conversation and that is absolutely absurd
Lamar?? jeez y’all trippin
There are tons of hall of fame quarterbacks who've never been to a Super Bowl. D*** marino only been There once and he's considered one of the best quarterbacks of all time .
Hurts went to a Superbowl too but isnt talked about like Burrow and Allen
Cause hurts had one good season out of the 4 years he’s been in the league
Hurts is literally just Justin Fields but on a good team
Josh has dealt with a fraction of what Lamar has dealt with yet he never got a pass. He got knocked for not having receivers. He’s better than Mahomes to me. Mahomes can’t make anything work. Ijs It’s different. Lamar is a better athlete and qb because he plays different at a higher level. He doesn’t get excuses
I’m a bills fan but Lamar was my choice always. Sorry Josh but he has real heart. That’s what I saw and that’s what you need. Go play golf Josh
Josh is given so much grace and he plays just like Lamar. He just bigger.
I can't believe you guys put broke down Joe burrow and Josh Allen over LAMAR JACKSON well you matter well put Trevor Lawrence as a elite quarterback please make it makes sense
No ones talkin about lamars playoff choke record.
Really don’t understand why y’all think josh better than Lamar. Talent isn’t everything but what you do with it. This is why we look at Herbert differently. This love for josh allen is becoming more of a fetish for talent. Also browns are making the playoffs w no qb but josh can’t make it cause his defense got hurt?
Funny how a man closing in on 2 MVPs and both could be unanimous and not in your top 3!!! Not only that Ravens had the most stars injured and Lamar at the helm still made us a contender til he got hurt and we missed the playoffs. Check the power rankings that year. We had lost all 3 RBs Marquis Brown missed like 4 games Ronnie Stanley out for the year Defense was also injured. MP was out for the year, Earl Thomas got cut, Marlo got injured. But we was still winning games with Lamar. It shows that people don't really watch Ravens games... They just see the highlights.
Simple. Is Dan Marino Elite? How many playoffs he missed? And every other Elite QB
Lamar is 9-1 against the bengals hes 2-0 against brady is this a real discussion or are we just trolling
IM glad that they decided to look at definitions. That is how you are supposed to START any conversation.
Allen is an elite talent but that doesn't mean he is necessarily an elite player. No one would say brees was an elite talent but he is a top 10 all time. There are lots of player that had talent that weren't elite.
Huh that makes zero sense
If you lead the league in touchdowns in a season, better yet leads the lead in touchdowns since 2019, and have the 2nd best record in the league as well since then. You are definitely an elite player.
@larry2281 you also lead the league in turnovers since you entered the league and can find 4 games in a season that you lost for your team it's hard to call you elite. Kirk cousins has great stats.
Huh?? Drew Brees has ALWAYS been considered elite while he was in the league.
@@larry2281and you lead the league in turnovers four out of the five years you wonder why your team can’t get to the promise land
This week is gonna be 🔥🔥🔥
I’m taking Lamar BEFORE Josh Allen!!! Shady trippin😂😂😂
If they don’t better keep that same energy they have for Herbert for Josh Allen
Joe Burrow has missed the playoffs twice now. Idk about injury. Bengals were on pace to miss playoffs even when Burrow was playing. Allen is the most underrated qb all of the sudden
Arguing team accolades is so dumb. Look at Mahomes this year with his pedestrian offense. Just like what Lamar and Allen have to deal with. Outside Allen/Diggs and Lamar/Andrews they have no real weapons. Burrow and Mahomes have had multiple weapons every year until this year when Mahomes has nobody but Kelce. Look at him now.
I'm thinking it's Mahomes and Lamar at the top. Burrow too injury prone and Allen too inconsistent.
If I put Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson on the Bills they’re a legit Super Bowl contender
Josh Allen has done absolutely nothing… the pinnacle of his career was a loss to Kansas City…
Josh Allen is elite but not Lamar? Y’all are jokes. Where did y’all do to journalism school?
Yeh Lamar's game is beautiful. He's a superb decision maker and executor. He's the best QB in the league. My boy Josh gotta snipe the Fins and make a deep playoff run to overshadow this choppy season's performance.
“That’s all he has” speaking on 2 mvps like that is crazy😂😂😂
How is Josh over Lamar?
How isn't he?
James Jones be cooking Shady a lot of times
I feel like Lamar should have been in that conversation. Allen maybe the next Phillip Rivers.
Lamar is Russell Wilson without the post season success
Josh allen wins 66% of the time, Lamar wins 75% of the time. Lamar's "1-3 in the playoffs" he was a ROOKIE the first time, got injured in the one against the Bills, and while he didnt play great againat Tennessee, neither did the wrs who dropped several balls that game (mahomes been getting excuses all year despite 60 qbrs). If Lamar wins a Superbowl he'll almost certainly be a Hall of Famer. If it were to end today, neither burrow nor allen would make the Hall of Fame. This is tired, just admit, yall not gonna respect Lamar until he wins 2 or 3 games in January/February 😂
Josh Allen won't ever win a SB because of his lows. He can't string together 3 or 4 wins against good teams.
I want that “but DID HE WIN?!” energy when talking about Hurts Shady
I wish y’all made these excuses for Jackson
Bro Allen literally has better stats in every category than Lamar. The only reason he is gonna win mvp is because he's on an amazing team. Put allen on the ravens I bet allens stats are even better than they are now it's literally because of the team
only elite QBs are Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes.
Josh Allen is better than Lamar ? Lamar never had a steffon Diggs. Josh Allen always had a great team.
Yahll meaning Speak are really trying to sit here and say Lamar Jackson isn’t a top 3 QB in the AFC. He’s 2nd in my eyes behind Pat. But I’m so confused how all 4 of them really have Josh Allen and Joe Burrow ahead of Lamar. They must be looking at analytics and realize talking bad about Lamar gets them more views and clicks cause this is crazy. Man about to be 2 time unanimous MVP but you sitting here saying Josh is better than
Another bum take by Shady. Buffalo was 5-5 when they were thinking we can win with elite Josh Allen but they fired the OC because of that thinking.
Buffalo CHANGED their thinking and are 5-1 in the last 6 games because of the run game not JOSH ALLEN.
Lamar bout to win his second mvp still catching disrespect