I hate when people say "it good for classical music". Classical music spanns from a solo violin or a piano to massive symphonic orchestra with 100 people choir and a gigantic pipe organ. You have very subtle pieces like Arvo Pärt to bombasic ones from Bruckner and Mahler. It's night and day when it comes to system requirements and speakers. Props to Paul for him recognising this difference.
Classical music simply does not have the impact of rock... not even close. I have an excellent "classical" speaker system-- Castle Winchesters with Accuphase front end. But, when I listen to Rock-- my JBL studio monitors blow them out of the water.
My Magnaplanars sound just fine on Rock, and jazz and classical. Yes, I have a sub, which helps, but I have owned many, many different speakers over the years and my Maggie's sound as good or better than most any others I have owned. I can't afford Wilson's or your aspens, but I don't belong to the "club" I listen to a lot of Jazz and torch singer type stuff and I couldn't imagine being any happier than I am with my Maggie's. Not everyone has $100,000.00 plus to invest in a system that you feel is resolving enough to reproduce sound to your elite standards and to imply that only by spending this amount of money, can you truly experience a system that does all things well.
When I sold Hi-End Hi-Fi in the 80's I once had a customer who had plenty of money and we tried our best to assist him - he spent (back in the day) thousands of pounds on Naim - then Linn - then Audio Research - power power - he listened to Metal - the really heavy stuff - in the end I pointed him in the direction of and I kid you not - 'Barry's Disco Centre' in a unit opposite our shop in Gloucester UK - there he heard Nirvanah metaphorically as well as physically.
@@sbrinckoo855 It was him not us - he was insistent we could 'find' his 'sound' - we couldn't - although to be fair to your point this did take a while - he would use his monthly pay to fund his all consuming but utterly fruitless quest!!!
That is also one of the reasons Aspens cost so much, they have to perform for every music. And that is definitely solid design choice to make. The thing is that if you set out to make speakers that can do only one type of music, let's say classic (and Jazz), you can make a speaker (for this example a quarter wave) that punches well over its weight for that genre (at the cost of being inferior for its price class in other genres). This is even more so if you are building it your self. So if you are somebody who exclusively listens to one type of music, why spend $30'000,- if a $4000,- speaker can get you the same enjoyment for exactly that music you are interested in? If you are in to all sorts of music, well then then you either buy 5 pair of different speakers or one very expensive one. The cost will be the same.
My ADS 910s sound incredible for all types of music as well. Dual-10.5" bass drivers built into their own separate enclosures inside the cabinets, with delicious sticky-domed mids/tweets. 28htz-25khtz/4ohms/93db efficiency. I paid under $1000/pair.
I’m glad you backed out of that comment on Magnepan speakers!😂 They are my favorite ( LRS+) and I’ve had several over the years! I also owned the original Infinity Servo Statik speakers in the early ‘70’s! Magneplanar speakers with a REL subwoofer gives you the best of all worlds in my opinion.
Thanks Paul. I have built many speakers in my time. I have found that the x-overs are a big deal. Cabinet construction and materials are kinda important. MDF works really great a moderate levels of power. Birch ply works really well at higher power but must be internally braced. I have seen many bi-amped and tri-amped systems. My favourite system is an x-over 2 way speaker. Some more insight into this may well educate me.
Personally, I love my beloved vintage Altec Lansing Model 19 and my Belle Klipsch. Built like bunkers, whisper and roar when asked to. Made in USA. Not in a little sweat shop in the Orient
The answer is yes to the question. People just tend to say bad sounding gear is not that bad cause some music types sound good on it while others terrible. A good headphones or speakers should do anything that's music with the same finesse. Otherwise it's just not good at all.
Some speakers are designed for specific types of music, for customers that listen only to certain types of music. It takes more engineering for a speaker to be all things to all types of music. If you listen only to opera, there is no need to include woofers that can shake the room. That would add a significant cost to the speakers, for a function that would rarely, if ever, be utilized. If you listen only to rock & roll, and soundstaging and realism is not a priority, but extended lows and highs are a priority, then there are speakers that will knock your paintings off of the wall, and wont break the bank, because they save on the cost of design and materials by not being accurate. It is just like cars. You can purchase a car that runs well on all types of roads. But you can also purchase specialty cars that excel in one area or another. The analogy is not perfect, because no all-around vehicle can match the performance of a terrain specific vehicle. But my point is that just how cars are designed for one purpose or many purposes, speakers are designed for she sonic experience being sought by customers with different wants. Also note that although my preference is a speaker that does everything right, such a speaker will reveal lousy sound quality in lousy recordings. Whereas a rock & roll speaker will probably make that lousy recording more lively. Albeit highly inaccurate. But perhaps more fun to hear. Accuracy for good recordings is important. But when a recording is already inaccurate, a specialty speaker might help.
Accuracy, throughout the whole audio chain, can be a curse. The variability of production values in recordings can be infuriating when you have a high resolution system.
If a box speaker avoids recessions in its frequency response, and goes deep enough in the bass, it should sound good with all genres of music. The older AR speakers, the 2ax, 3, 3a & the model 5 sounded supressed or too tame in a portion of the midrange that made it a bad choice for rock. They were considered classical music speakers, and were very good at that. The AR 9 and it's various incarnations which came out a few decades later did not have such a polite midrange and were good on all types of music. Interestingly they had woofers on the sides of the cabinet, like the PS Audio Aspen series. After a lifetime inclination toward sound that's a bit on the bright side, I have recently been listening to a system I built which is warm and very big sounding, fast with transparency which is there, but the warmth make it less obviously so. 94 db dynamic with deep bass. I am using vintage NOS tubes in the preamp which are known for a lush sound. When you have that kind of sound you don't even care about treble detail that much. I think brightening the treble would ruin the effect. You don't hear any edgy hifi artifacts up there and there is no obvious electronic signature anywhere. It sounds great on all types of music. I don't think box speakers that sound great on all types of music are rare. Except for suppressions in the response, why wouldn't they sound good on anything? You should ideally have enough bass drive and dynamics for rock music, but that's about it. Any clean even sounding speaker should be a good all rounder on any music.
Every recording has it's own frequency response; just like equipment. Sometimes you'll play a recording that so compliments your speakers and vice versa, that it sounds like they were made in heaven for each other. Here are a few I remember from speakers past and present. 1. Crosby Stills & Nash (debut lp) on Rogers LS3/5A or speakers that used the same drivers like KEF Reference 101, or JR 149. For those who wonder what the big deal is on LS3/5A; it sounds like they tinkered with the vocal range for years to get it just right. 2. Soft Machine 4, the side long classic track whose title is "Virtually" on AR 5 speakers. They are better speakers overall than the AR 3 or 3A; yet the 3's can get $1500 and the 5's only get $400 to $600. The 3's were designed mainly by Ed Vilchur and the AR 5 was designed by Roy Allison Nobody said most audiophiles know what they're doing 3. Gold Dust Woman with Stevie Nicks singing on DCM Time Windows. 4. Big Band jazz on Ohm Walsh 2 speakers. Recordings with a lot of sparkle on top really bring out the best in the Ohms. 5. The Captain & Me album by The Doobie Brothers on Proac speakers. 6. Arc Of A Diver album on Apogee Duetta speakers. 7. 500 Miles High album by Flora Purim on KEF R107 without KUBE. 8. Jungle Fever album by Neil Larsen on Vandersteen 2 speakers 9. I've Got The Music In Me album by Thelma Houston on B&W 801 series speakers circa 1993. 10. The Exile On Main St. album by The Rolling Sones on stacked (4) B&W Prism 302 speakers. With stacking you don't have to worry as much about overdriving the speakers, since they're sharing and splitting up the volume.
I've got a pair of Advents hooked up to the TV - they still sound great. In the listening room I've got 12 year old B&W 600 somethings and Infinities running my SACD system - spindle and all. Love them all.
Speakers only being suitable for a certain genre of music has also to do, in my opinion, with the expectations of the listeners. I know classical music lovers who don't want too much bass and only limited dynamics while rock/pop music lovers want to feel the bass hitting their stomachs and dynamics going through the ceiling. Even though it might not be mixed like that. If the listeners want a certain feel with the music they will search for speakers that will satisfy them and many companies will produce according to expectations. It might not sound like it did in the studio but how the mix sounds is subjective anyhow.
@@albanana683 Why would it unbalance the system? Learn to set it up like any other piece. Remember, they say that you shouldn't be able to tell that there is a sub. Subs open up the soundstage and take the strain off of the amp, we've all heard this before. Not being able to fit them in the room or even afford them is one thing but saying that they aren't needed is just a lie.
My Maggies along with 2 SVS-4000 subs do fine with all kinds of music. I just can’t give them up. Especially for jazz and vocals. Amazing. The 2 subs make up for the lack of low end nicely. Even if I buy new speakers someday I’m guessing I’ll still keep the Maggies.
Speakers that excel in certain types of genres are tuned and voiced drastically (read : non neutral), a neutral and balanced speaker will go well with almost anything, provided it is a good recording. Thats the objective part. Subjectively, what genre goes well with certain speakers is eeerrr.... subjective. A person might like Speaker A for rock because it produces enough thump and bass but another might not like it because it sounds lost muddled and sluggish in complex passages of the song.
I still have ADS L-810's They pretty much carry all music! Rock and Jazz are key. But, all other style's still hold up. After close to 40 years, I am V E R Y H A P P Y! Just my what I have and thoughts! Greg Bardakos
Some speakers do have a sound signature conducive to certain genres of music, but then again, an actual really good speaker imho should be able to accommodate a variety of styles without issue. When the sound desired involves exaggerated bass and has no acoustic instruments or actual melodic vocals, a not so correct speaker will probably be a better fit.
I feel like as long as the cabinet construction is solid and the drivers are quality, you can’t really go wrong with most types of music? Unless the crossovers exaggerate parts of the frequency range. I play a lot of older techno, my current set of speakers is a set of advent Maestro threeways that were made with “live” music in mind. They’re maybe not crazy hifi.. but the mid driver is one of the best I have heard out of many speakers. Genuine 3D reproduction soft as a cloud. I find they absolutely sing with modern/older techno and electronic music. The tighter bass adds nice punch without seeming overblown, the three drivers really nicely separate sound a bit like diy sound systems, and that’s something you just can’t get from a two way unless it’s got a big horn or a ribbon. They weren’t made with this in mind, yet they do it well. I’d have to pay several times that to get an equal experience from modern speakers.
Usually speakers that discriminate certain music have issues such as non-linear frequency response. Personally I prefer a flat response except a bit elevated higher treble above 10kHz (+6dB at 12kHz) to compensate for my natural decline in treble sensitivity of my hearing and some extra sub bass because I enjoy the sense of it. Then some speakers are more emphasizing the room acoustics than others e.g. with a back-firing driver. That can be awesome for live music but not necessarily great for studio optimized synthetic music.
A flat, well designed and built, frequency response and an acoustically sorted room -without- room mode issues is required for a system to sound good with (nearly) all recorded content. Without those 2 things you will -never- have a 'universal' system.
My classic B&W 800 Matrix are truly a phenomenal speaker which can rock the house down in ANY type of music being played. In the early 90s they were 15 to 18k a pair. Those speakers today would be 100k to build. 👍
From my perspective, there is no single loudspeaker that can play all genres without compromise. I've never heard a soundstage that impressed me like the Apogee Scintilla, but that is not a speaker for rock music. For me, as a fan of live music, the full, visceral rock music experience requires pro audio, and Coda Audio's point sources are freakishly amazing. The only home speaker drivers I've found that can approach that level of athleticism while also delivering the ultimate in resolution are Jack Smiley's handmade air motion transformers that crossover at 500 Hz. The way an AMT shoots out sound by squeezing the air instead of pushing it gives music a dynamism that most tweeters can't match, yet the super low mass gives them amazing resolution. My ultimate fantasy driver would be Coda's dual ring diaphragm compression driver design scaled down to home audio power levels, with the ring diaphragms made of beryllium, but even then, that's still probably not going to be the ideal driver for acoustic music.
AR9's were and still are a legendary speaker especially with an upgraded modern crossover network. Parts of the design elements of the aspen series even reminds me of those old AR's honestly My dad had a set of those Wool cone Pioneer speakers with the 15" woofers and a set of those AR9's when i was growing up. Soon as i first saw the aspens they struck me as the ultimate refinement of that kind of 4 way tower with the side sub concept Those pioneers have fallen behind with the times but still sound good and musical, but those AR9's are still some of the best sounding speakers i have access to, and i can say from personal experience they lay the WHOOPASS down on the modern klipsch reference floorstanding towers. To an embarrassing extent. But then again so do my modernized AR series 660 monitors (admittedly crappy speakers to start, much much less crappy now though). They are also imho, objectively objectively more musical then the B&W 700 series of towers that are like $5k a pair, also from personal experience (My dads current active daily speakers, and im pretty sure he likes them more because of how bright they are, along side his age lol, making them subjectively more listenable for him) If there was EVER an acoustic research speaker worth not retiring, and worth maintaining/repairing/upgrading, it was the AR9 (At least in my opinion, and ive played around with lots of AR stuff since i was young, and quite a bit of modern high end stuff, even though little of it was/is mine lol)
I think it would be useful to be aware of real in room frequency response when choosing a speaker system. That would be easy using a smart phone. Download a pink noise track and then measure the speakers from the chair to find out how flat they are using your smart phone. Might give some insight into what is missing or how it will be colored.
A speaker can not be top in everything. Just think about closed cabinet speakers vs vented speakers. Both systems can achieve things the other can't. So there it is already, and as usual, the design off the bass can not please all purposes. And you can go ahead and make a sealed Box playing down till 20 Hz, and if you not make it huge, it will lack dynamics, and if you make it huge, you will face other problems. You always have to make compromises when you create a speaker and you need to have certain specific goals to achieve. which will exclude other goals .If a speaker is designed for Heavy Metal, it will always beat the all-round-speaker when it comes to Heavy Metal.
Ever since my last speaker change, I'm happy with them for all types of music. The lack of coloration from "box" speakers and crossovers is a revelation here.
Any speaker that can't "do it all" should be replaced with one that can. My favourite speakers that I have owned since 1981 have passed the test many times. They were not 'cheap' when new, nor were they terribly expensive. Some of today's speakers are undoubtedly better, but I can't afford them.
I find that my Magnaplanar speakers were a bit bass shy so I added a pair of JL Audio d10 subs. Once I got them integrated with the Magnaplanar so they disappeared the dynamics that were missing were now there. Pink Floyd and other rock had the punch while blue grass and big band bass was right where it should be. I recently found a pair of M700 monoblocks (replacing a Naim Audio 250) for a great price and they definitely help to add what the Magnaplanars needed.
I'm in the same place, man(comment above) I get really tired of the elite snobfest sometimes. What ever happened to the old" the only person your system has to sound great for, and that is you" guidelines? As much as I enjoy listening to Paul do his questions every day, sometimes I wonder if I even belong in the conversation. Seems that all people do here is throw massive amounts of cash at a problem. That and they listen more to their gear than the music...
@@stephenstevens6573 try watching the "cheap audio man" up here. Good stuff, great prices. I've had $15,000 systems, and I just put together a $700 system (for different criteria, obviously). But have to say, I totally am enjoying the budget system. It isn't all about the price.
You just "found" that they were bass shy? Didn't you know that going into their purchase. MP were NEVER really meant to be used in a high end system without a sub. Never. I say this having sold them many (many!) years ago. So I can't say I know what they sound like today. But I understand they still lack the deep base. Ah...but the open airy sounds on the high end are gorgeous!
I agree with Paul with regard to Acoustic Research speakers which are legendary. I have heard them many times over the years and they are not for every type of music IMO. suggest that this person head out to a few Audio Salons and listen to some other speaker brands instead of just asking the question.
I have heard and own many speaker brands and have 6 separate systems in 6 separate rooms in my home, as well another room that I use as a recording studio. My statement was that the Acoustic Research AR 9's were my favorites and to my ears, they can reproduce all genres of music effortlessly. I am sure that our ears don't hear the same. Thank you for your comment.
i owned ar3as for 20 years. totally satisfying if not the “ultimate” in certain areas. i was unmotivated to try others or search for “more”. i currently use thiel 3.6s, and love those as well, still have the little ar m1s in my bedroom system. excellent. @@ellaochomogo5154
Disagree. They’re not engineered for genres of music outside of a sound signature they’re shooting for… not unlike what Beats headphones were *cough* trying to accomplish
@@ocelotxp Not sure you actually disagree. My point is no company would try to limit the potential audience of any given product by saying what it was designed for, so it makes the job of a customer all the harder to figure out what would be best with their favorite genres. Sound signatures are another can of worms entirely, but you rarely see them admitting what that was supposed to be either.
My dad used to have two sets of speakers ... one set were KEF Concerto types which he said were perfect for classical and the other set were JBL L100 Century's which were ideal for rock music ....
Legacy audio makes some damn good speakers that will cover any music, but they are very expensive now. Their speakers have quadrupled (or more) in price since they first hit the market when no one knew who they were. Just buy some Klipsch.
Obviously no speaker is perfect, and there are always tradeoffs to be made in any speaker's design, but any great or even good 'well-rounded' speaker should be at least good with any genre of music, even while it may tend to be a bit better with some genres than others. Magnepans may be great speakers in their areas of strength, but if they're much better in some genres than in others, then they're not well-rounded speakers.
It would be to a speaker manufacturers advantage if their speakers sounded credible on every kind of music. There are rock people who walk into a showroom, jazz people, folk and classical music people. The success of Mobile Fidelity with its boosted bass and treble on their early lps (and later ones?) prove that rock listeners aren't always drawn to a forward sounding midrange; they backed off on the midrange. Some people look for smoothness and absence of flaws in the midrange, and I suppose that's what their midrange suppression is all about. Most Mofis were rock recordings. Classical music sounds fine with the midrange a little distant. Maybe THE most famous jazz recording engineer who worked for Riverside and a few others was known for his piano in the other room sound, with the piano often very distant in the mix. Most tube preamps, even though they are less bright usually, than transistor equipment, usually come off as closer sounding in the midrange. The typical solid state high end transistor preamps sound is a refined, somewhat distant and laid back midrange sound. Yet I think electric guitars tend to growl more on solid state.
This is when speakers dont have a flat response..next issue. The recording is made for midfi..and its designed to sound dynamic.. but if you have accurate system .. It will reveil the crap mix.. its common in my opinion
To get such alignment we neet to care for speaker performance , not to be guided by music from speaker If we use any music then speake will be set for this praticular.
While I take Paul's word for it that there are exceptions, they are likely few, and costly. I used to have a pair of B&W 802's. Fabulous speakers. But even they weren't perfect for everything. (Yikes! I see a pair sell for close to $30k now? Geesh.
I have two sets of speakers Towers with built in powered subs and also Magnepan 7's So depending on my mood i select the appropriate speakers Also i run two SVS Ultra 13 subs with the upgraded plate amps So when i play music with my towers my neighbours are on my porch with torches 😂 with the Maggie's not so much 😊
Most speakers I have heard do not sound that great that made are today or more modern. Polk and Wharfedale sound good, but the big problem with speakers built today is the lack of midrange. Two way speakers lack sound and or range, and speakers that don't have a actual midrange lack certain frequencies. A mid bass speaker is not impressive to me. A midrange should produce a certain range. Speakers should produce a wide range of frequencies. You can't do that if you have a speaker that only does the highs and lows. Instruments have notes that go beyond 20 Hz to 20 kHz, and a good speaker should be able to reproduce that.
I've seen them 3 Times, in '73, '75, and '77 at Waterbury CT, Long Island, NY and Madison Square Garden, NYC respectively and they sounded amazing through the B&W DM 6 powered by GAS Ampzilla amplification back then.
Don't let Paul fool you. There are other manufacturers other than his own that can play all genres of music. Try Canton. All you have to do is go in $10,000. No need to spend 20K and 30k for Paul's speakers. By the way, the Canton speakers are made in Germany and Paul's are made in China
Has he ever said that only his own can play all types of music? Periodically (actually with some frequency in his posts here) I hear him speak well of or even praise gear, including speakers, by his competitors.
@@maxhirsch7035 Max, the better question is this. Why does Paul charge so much for a Chinese made speaker? 20k, 30k? Now he has a magical 4k and 5k off. His margin has to be astronomical. He used the word "rare" and then mentioned his ridiculously over priced speakers. It's not "rare" to find speakers that play all genres well. You just need to know where to look;)
@@ryanschipp8513what does where its manufactured or PS Audios margin have to do with anything? If someone loves the sound of a pair of Aspen Fr 30s and has the money to buy a pair that's up to them. You are not the arbiter of value. There is a great deal of hifi equipment I will never be able to afford but that doesn't stop me appreciating or desiring it. Id love an Aston Martin Vanquish but I've got zero chance of owning one. I certainly dont sit there pontificating what the profit margin is on a new one.
Unless you're rich, one word keeps coming up in my mind on these people who pay many tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of audio equipment...the word that keeps coming up is "maniac." Someone who wants something so dang bad that they're willing to do anything to get it. Like that guy from the Presidential regime of many decades ago who had a thing for women's feet.
some music is just recorded poorly, lots of Rock music I like is unfortunately like this. For those kinds of tracks, you kinda need a speaker with a dip in the mids and a midbass bump to be able to jam out
Passive radiators are horrible for music. Most of the bass is 360ish degrees out of phase. Ported speakers to a lesser degree. All sealed is the way to go.
Your username is just the kind of user/ (and) name that would think 360 degrees out of phase is a problem. If you're travelling around a circle and go 360 degrees....guess what? You're right back where you started from!...The best selling high end speaker of all time used a passive radiator; the Vandersteen model 2. A passive radiator "done well" can be a good thing. The speaker that I've owned that had the tightest, best bass definition ever was ported. It had one of those long rectangular shaped ports on the back. I haven't been impressed with a lot of speakers with round shaped ports for some reason. I wonder why? I guess you wouldn't be the one to ask about that, with your 360 degree difficulties. I hope you'll take this in good humor. Didn't mean to be offensive.
@@sidesup8286 "Your username is just the kind of user/ (and) name that would think 360 degrees out of phase is a problem." -That's okay. I'm not insulted. "If you're travelling around a circle and go 360 degrees....guess what? You're right back where you started from!..." -Very true! You're smarter than you look. I'm impressed. "The best selling high end speaker of all time used a passive radiator; the Vandersteen model 2." -That doesn't negate the problem of being 360ish degrees out of phase. "Didn't mean to be offensive. -No worries. I'm sure your ignorance wasn't willful. Allow me to explain the 360ish out of phase problem. Entertain this hypothetical; you have a speaker that has one 8in woofer, and a 10in passive radiator. Let's start off with both cones stationary, and then introduce one beat of a kick drum. The woofer cone moves one full(ish) wave length before the radiator begins to move in sync with the woofer. Now think about what the sine wave looks like. For the first wave length, the amplitude will be small because only the woofer is producing sound pressure. For the subsequent wave, the amplitude of the woofer will combine with the amplitude of the radiator, resulting in a high amplitude wave. The problem here, is that the sine wave of a kick drum does not start out with a low amplitude wave, it leaves the gate with a high amplitude wave. Understand?
I hate when people say "it good for classical music".
Classical music spanns from a solo violin or a piano to massive symphonic orchestra with 100 people choir and a gigantic pipe organ. You have very subtle pieces like Arvo Pärt to bombasic ones from Bruckner and Mahler. It's night and day when it comes to system requirements and speakers.
Props to Paul for him recognising this difference.
Classical music simply does not have the impact of rock... not even close.
I have an excellent "classical" speaker system-- Castle Winchesters with Accuphase front end.
But, when I listen to Rock-- my JBL studio monitors blow them out of the water.
My dad had a pair of AR9s when I was growing up, and I loved them!
My Magnaplanars sound just fine on Rock, and jazz and classical. Yes, I have a sub, which helps, but I have owned many, many different speakers over the years and my Maggie's sound as good or better than most any others I have owned. I can't afford Wilson's or your aspens, but I don't belong to the "club" I listen to a lot of Jazz and torch singer type stuff and I couldn't imagine being any happier than I am with my Maggie's. Not everyone has $100,000.00 plus to invest in a system that you feel is resolving enough to reproduce sound to your elite standards and to imply that only by spending this amount of money, can you truly experience a system that does all things well.
When I sold Hi-End Hi-Fi in the 80's I once had a customer who had plenty of money and we tried our best to assist him - he spent (back in the day) thousands of pounds on Naim - then Linn - then Audio Research - power power - he listened to Metal - the really heavy stuff - in the end I pointed him in the direction of and I kid you not - 'Barry's Disco Centre' in a unit opposite our shop in Gloucester UK - there he heard Nirvanah metaphorically as well as physically.
Staunch advice, but why does it take you so long:)
@@sbrinckoo855 It was him not us - he was insistent we could 'find' his 'sound' - we couldn't - although to be fair to your point this did take a while - he would use his monthly pay to fund his all consuming but utterly fruitless quest!!!
That is also one of the reasons Aspens cost so much, they have to perform for every music. And that is definitely solid design choice to make. The thing is that if you set out to make speakers that can do only one type of music, let's say classic (and Jazz), you can make a speaker (for this example a quarter wave) that punches well over its weight for that genre (at the cost of being inferior for its price class in other genres). This is even more so if you are building it your self. So if you are somebody who exclusively listens to one type of music, why spend $30'000,- if a $4000,- speaker can get you the same enjoyment for exactly that music you are interested in? If you are in to all sorts of music, well then then you either buy 5 pair of different speakers or one very expensive one. The cost will be the same.
My ADS 910s sound incredible for all types of music as well. Dual-10.5" bass drivers built into their own separate enclosures inside the cabinets, with delicious sticky-domed mids/tweets. 28htz-25khtz/4ohms/93db efficiency. I paid under $1000/pair.
They don't cost that much 😊
I’m glad you backed out of that comment on Magnepan speakers!😂 They are my favorite ( LRS+) and I’ve had several over the years! I also owned the original Infinity Servo Statik speakers in the early ‘70’s! Magneplanar speakers with a REL subwoofer gives you the best of all worlds in my opinion.
Thanks Paul. I have built many speakers in my time. I have found that the x-overs are a big deal. Cabinet construction and materials are kinda important. MDF works really great a moderate levels of power. Birch ply works really well at higher power but must be internally braced. I have seen many bi-amped and tri-amped systems. My favourite system is an x-over 2 way speaker. Some more insight into this may well educate me.
Personally, I love my beloved vintage Altec Lansing Model 19 and my Belle Klipsch. Built like bunkers, whisper and roar when asked to. Made in USA. Not in a little sweat shop in the Orient
The answer is yes to the question. People just tend to say bad sounding gear is not that bad cause some music types sound good on it while others terrible. A good headphones or speakers should do anything that's music with the same finesse. Otherwise it's just not good at all.
I agree. I put half the blame on poor recordings or poor equipment.
Some speakers are designed for specific types of music, for customers that listen only to certain types of music.
It takes more engineering for a speaker to be all things to all types of music.
If you listen only to opera, there is no need to include woofers that can shake the room. That would add a significant cost to the speakers, for a function that would rarely, if ever, be utilized.
If you listen only to rock & roll, and soundstaging and realism is not a priority, but extended lows and highs are a priority, then there are speakers that will knock your paintings off of the wall, and wont break the bank, because they save on the cost of design and materials by not being accurate.
It is just like cars.
You can purchase a car that runs well on all types of roads. But you can also purchase specialty cars that excel in one area or another. The analogy is not perfect, because no all-around vehicle can match the performance of a terrain specific vehicle. But my point is that just how cars are designed for one purpose or many purposes, speakers are designed for she sonic experience being sought by customers with different wants.
Also note that although my preference is a speaker that does everything right, such a speaker will reveal lousy sound quality in lousy recordings.
Whereas a rock & roll speaker will probably make that lousy recording more lively. Albeit highly inaccurate. But perhaps more fun to hear.
Accuracy for good recordings is important. But when a recording is already inaccurate, a specialty speaker might help.
Accuracy, throughout the whole audio chain, can be a curse. The variability of production values in recordings can be infuriating when you have a high resolution system.
Opera not needing bass?? You should take a good listening on a great recording of some Wagner opera! (It scares the sh*t out of the g**ks...)
If a box speaker avoids recessions in its frequency response, and goes deep enough in the bass, it should sound good with all genres of music. The older AR speakers, the 2ax, 3, 3a & the model 5 sounded supressed or too tame in a portion of the midrange that made it a bad choice for rock. They were considered classical music speakers, and were very good at that. The AR 9 and it's various incarnations which came out a few decades later did not have such a polite midrange and were good on all types of music. Interestingly they had woofers on the sides of the cabinet, like the PS Audio Aspen series. After a lifetime inclination toward sound that's a bit on the bright side, I have recently been listening to a system I built which is warm and very big sounding, fast with transparency which is there, but the warmth make it less obviously so. 94 db dynamic with deep bass. I am using vintage NOS tubes in the preamp which are known for a lush sound. When you have that kind of sound you don't even care about treble detail that much. I think brightening the treble would ruin the effect. You don't hear any edgy hifi artifacts up there and there is no obvious electronic signature anywhere. It sounds great on all types of music. I don't think box speakers that sound great on all types of music are rare. Except for suppressions in the response, why wouldn't they sound good on anything? You should ideally have enough bass drive and dynamics for rock music, but that's about it. Any clean even sounding speaker should be a good all rounder on any music.
Every recording has it's own frequency response; just like equipment. Sometimes you'll play a recording that so compliments your speakers and vice versa, that it sounds like they were made in heaven for each other. Here are a few I remember from speakers past and present.
1. Crosby Stills & Nash (debut lp) on Rogers LS3/5A or speakers that used the same drivers like KEF Reference 101, or JR 149. For those who wonder what the big deal is on LS3/5A; it sounds like they tinkered with the vocal range for years to get it just right.
2. Soft Machine 4, the side long classic track whose title is "Virtually" on AR 5 speakers. They are better speakers overall than the AR 3 or 3A; yet the 3's can get $1500 and the 5's only get $400 to $600. The 3's were designed mainly by Ed Vilchur and the AR 5 was designed by Roy Allison Nobody said most audiophiles know what they're doing
3. Gold Dust Woman with Stevie Nicks singing on DCM Time Windows.
4. Big Band jazz on Ohm Walsh 2 speakers. Recordings with a lot of sparkle on top really bring out the best in the Ohms.
5. The Captain & Me album by The Doobie Brothers on Proac speakers.
6. Arc Of A Diver album on Apogee Duetta speakers.
7. 500 Miles High album by Flora Purim on KEF R107 without KUBE.
8. Jungle Fever album by Neil Larsen on Vandersteen 2 speakers
9. I've Got The Music In Me album by Thelma Houston on B&W 801 series speakers circa 1993.
10. The Exile On Main St. album by The Rolling Sones on stacked (4) B&W Prism 302 speakers. With stacking you don't have to worry as much about overdriving the speakers, since they're sharing and splitting up the volume.
I've got a pair of Advents hooked up to the TV - they still sound great. In the listening room I've got 12 year old B&W 600 somethings and Infinities running my SACD system - spindle and all. Love them all.
Speakers only being suitable for a certain genre of music has also to do, in my opinion, with the expectations of the listeners. I know classical music lovers who don't want too much bass and only limited dynamics while rock/pop music lovers want to feel the bass hitting their stomachs and dynamics going through the ceiling. Even though it might not be mixed like that. If the listeners want a certain feel with the music they will search for speakers that will satisfy them and many companies will produce according to expectations. It might not sound like it did in the studio but how the mix sounds is subjective anyhow.
I don't trust those who don't want bass/subs as their systems can't reproduce what's actually there.
@@Roof_PizzaIf it unbalances the overall sound, why would you bother with adding a sub?
@@albanana683 Why would it unbalance the system? Learn to set it up like any other piece. Remember, they say that you shouldn't be able to tell that there is a sub. Subs open up the soundstage and take the strain off of the amp, we've all heard this before. Not being able to fit them in the room or even afford them is one thing but saying that they aren't needed is just a lie.
The neighbors love my CerwinVega AT-15’s
My Maggies along with 2 SVS-4000 subs do fine with all kinds of music. I just can’t give them up. Especially for jazz and vocals. Amazing. The 2 subs make up for the lack of low end nicely. Even if I buy new speakers someday I’m guessing I’ll still keep the Maggies.
Speakers that excel in certain types of genres are tuned and voiced drastically (read : non neutral), a neutral and balanced speaker will go well with almost anything, provided it is a good recording. Thats the objective part. Subjectively, what genre goes well with certain speakers is eeerrr.... subjective. A person might like Speaker A for rock because it produces enough thump and bass but another might not like it because it sounds lost muddled and sluggish in complex passages of the song.
I like Wilson speaker too. But they are very very expensive
I still have ADS L-810's They pretty much carry all music! Rock and Jazz are key. But, all other style's still hold up. After close to 40 years, I am V E R Y H A P P Y! Just my what I have and thoughts! Greg Bardakos
Some speakers do have a sound signature conducive to certain genres of music, but then again, an actual really good speaker imho should be able to accommodate a variety of styles without issue. When the sound desired involves exaggerated bass and has no acoustic instruments or actual melodic vocals, a not so correct speaker will probably be a better fit.
I feel like as long as the cabinet construction is solid and the drivers are quality, you can’t really go wrong with most types of music? Unless the crossovers exaggerate parts of the frequency range.
I play a lot of older techno, my current set of speakers is a set of advent Maestro threeways that were made with “live” music in mind. They’re maybe not crazy hifi.. but the mid driver is one of the best I have heard out of many speakers. Genuine 3D reproduction soft as a cloud.
I find they absolutely sing with modern/older techno and electronic music. The tighter bass adds nice punch without seeming overblown, the three drivers really nicely separate sound a bit like diy sound systems, and that’s something you just can’t get from a two way unless it’s got a big horn or a ribbon. They weren’t made with this in mind, yet they do it well. I’d have to pay several times that to get an equal experience from modern speakers.
@@djsd-1292 👍A full range 3-way done right always trumps a full range 2-way.
Usually speakers that discriminate certain music have issues such as non-linear frequency response. Personally I prefer a flat response except a bit elevated higher treble above 10kHz (+6dB at 12kHz) to compensate for my natural decline in treble sensitivity of my hearing and some extra sub bass because I enjoy the sense of it. Then some speakers are more emphasizing the room acoustics than others e.g. with a back-firing driver. That can be awesome for live music but not necessarily great for studio optimized synthetic music.
A flat, well designed and built, frequency response and an acoustically sorted room -without- room mode issues is required for a system to sound good with (nearly) all recorded content. Without those 2 things you will -never- have a 'universal' system.
A subwoofer can also make a huge difference
My classic B&W 800 Matrix are truly a phenomenal speaker which can rock the house down in ANY type of music being played. In the early 90s they were 15 to 18k a pair. Those speakers today would be 100k to build. 👍
From my perspective, there is no single loudspeaker that can play all genres without compromise. I've never heard a soundstage that impressed me like the Apogee Scintilla, but that is not a speaker for rock music. For me, as a fan of live music, the full, visceral rock music experience requires pro audio, and Coda Audio's point sources are freakishly amazing. The only home speaker drivers I've found that can approach that level of athleticism while also delivering the ultimate in resolution are Jack Smiley's handmade air motion transformers that crossover at 500 Hz. The way an AMT shoots out sound by squeezing the air instead of pushing it gives music a dynamism that most tweeters can't match, yet the super low mass gives them amazing resolution. My ultimate fantasy driver would be Coda's dual ring diaphragm compression driver design scaled down to home audio power levels, with the ring diaphragms made of beryllium, but even then, that's still probably not going to be the ideal driver for acoustic music.
Agree this is why some things have presets for flat,jazz,classic, rock and so on. Buy a parametric and fix things .
AR9's were and still are a legendary speaker especially with an upgraded modern crossover network. Parts of the design elements of the aspen series even reminds me of those old AR's honestly
My dad had a set of those Wool cone Pioneer speakers with the 15" woofers and a set of those AR9's when i was growing up. Soon as i first saw the aspens they struck me as the ultimate refinement of that kind of 4 way tower with the side sub concept
Those pioneers have fallen behind with the times but still sound good and musical, but those AR9's are still some of the best sounding speakers i have access to, and i can say from personal experience they lay the WHOOPASS down on the modern klipsch reference floorstanding towers. To an embarrassing extent. But then again so do my modernized AR series 660 monitors (admittedly crappy speakers to start, much much less crappy now though). They are also imho, objectively objectively more musical then the B&W 700 series of towers that are like $5k a pair, also from personal experience (My dads current active daily speakers, and im pretty sure he likes them more because of how bright they are, along side his age lol, making them subjectively more listenable for him)
If there was EVER an acoustic research speaker worth not retiring, and worth maintaining/repairing/upgrading, it was the AR9 (At least in my opinion, and ive played around with lots of AR stuff since i was young, and quite a bit of modern high end stuff, even though little of it was/is mine lol)
I think it would be useful to be aware of real in room frequency response when choosing a speaker system. That would be easy using a smart phone. Download a pink noise track and then measure the speakers from the chair to find out how flat they are using your smart phone. Might give some insight into what is missing or how it will be colored.
I wish it would be so easy.
A speaker can not be top in everything. Just think about closed cabinet speakers vs vented speakers. Both systems can achieve things the other can't. So there it is already, and as usual, the design off the bass can not please all purposes. And you can go ahead and make a sealed Box playing down till 20 Hz, and if you not make it huge, it will lack dynamics, and if you make it huge, you will face other problems. You always have to make compromises when you create a speaker and you need to have certain specific goals to achieve. which will exclude other goals .If a speaker is designed for Heavy Metal, it will always beat the all-round-speaker when it comes to Heavy Metal.
Ever since my last speaker change, I'm happy with them for all types of music. The lack of coloration from "box" speakers and crossovers is a revelation here.
And how are Motorhead doiing on this Speakers?🤣
Any speaker that can't "do it all" should be replaced with one that can.
My favourite speakers that I have owned since 1981 have passed the test many times.
They were not 'cheap' when new, nor were they terribly expensive.
Some of today's speakers are undoubtedly better, but I can't afford them.
Pushing 1970s prog rock through some pioneer S-1010s using lm4780 chip amp monoblocks. Speakers do make a difference.
Wilsons and Magnepans...Yes!! Haven't heard the Aspens yet...
Any properly encased "Linear Motor" worth its salt will be as neutral as possible!!!😂
Spatial Europe makes fantastic sounding speakers, not excatly cheap, but price is justified consideridering its all made in Germany.
I find that my Magnaplanar speakers were a bit bass shy so I added a pair of JL Audio d10 subs. Once I got them integrated with the Magnaplanar so they disappeared the dynamics that were missing were now there. Pink Floyd and other rock had the punch while blue grass and big band bass was right where it should be. I recently found a pair of M700 monoblocks (replacing a Naim Audio 250) for a great price and they definitely help to add what the Magnaplanars needed.
I'm in the same place, man(comment above) I get really tired of the elite snobfest sometimes. What ever happened to the old" the only person your system has to sound great for, and that is you" guidelines? As much as I enjoy listening to Paul do his questions every day, sometimes I wonder if I even belong in the conversation. Seems that all people do here is throw massive amounts of cash at a problem. That and they listen more to their gear than the music...
@@stephenstevens6573 try watching the "cheap audio man" up here. Good stuff, great prices. I've had $15,000 systems, and I just put together a $700 system (for different criteria, obviously). But have to say, I totally am enjoying the budget system. It isn't all about the price.
You just "found" that they were bass shy? Didn't you know that going into their purchase. MP were NEVER really meant to be used in a high end system without a sub. Never. I say this having sold them many (many!) years ago. So I can't say I know what they sound like today. But I understand they still lack the deep base. Ah...but the open airy sounds on the high end are gorgeous!
I agree with Paul with regard to Acoustic Research speakers which are legendary. I have heard them many times over the years and they are not for every type of music IMO. suggest that this person head out to a few Audio Salons and listen to some other speaker brands instead of just asking the question.
I have heard and own many speaker brands and have 6 separate systems in 6 separate rooms in my home, as well another room that I use as a recording studio. My statement was that the Acoustic Research AR 9's were my favorites and to my ears, they can reproduce all genres of music effortlessly. I am sure that our ears don't hear the same. Thank you for your comment.
i owned ar3as for 20 years. totally satisfying if not the “ultimate” in certain areas. i was unmotivated to try others or search for “more”. i currently use thiel 3.6s, and love those as well, still have the little ar m1s in my bedroom system. excellent. @@ellaochomogo5154
Genre matching is a thing. Listeners know this, but manufacturers often pretend their products can do it all.
Lies, d@mn lies then Marketing
Disagree. They’re not engineered for genres of music outside of a sound signature they’re shooting for… not unlike what Beats headphones were *cough* trying to accomplish
@@ocelotxp Not sure you actually disagree. My point is no company would try to limit the potential audience of any given product by saying what it was designed for, so it makes the job of a customer all the harder to figure out what would be best with their favorite genres. Sound signatures are another can of worms entirely, but you rarely see them admitting what that was supposed to be either.
My dad used to have two sets of speakers ... one set were KEF Concerto types which he said were perfect for classical and the other set were JBL L100 Century's which were ideal for rock music ....
Everything sounds great on old KEFs.
Legacy audio makes some damn good speakers that will cover any music, but they are very expensive now. Their speakers have quadrupled (or more) in price since they first hit the market when no one knew who they were. Just buy some Klipsch.
Obviously no speaker is perfect, and there are always tradeoffs to be made in any speaker's design, but any great or even good 'well-rounded' speaker should be at least good with any genre of music, even while it may tend to be a bit better with some genres than others. Magnepans may be great speakers in their areas of strength, but if they're much better in some genres than in others, then they're not well-rounded speakers.
It would be to a speaker manufacturers advantage if their speakers sounded credible on every kind of music. There are rock people who walk into a showroom, jazz people, folk and classical music people. The success of Mobile Fidelity with its boosted bass and treble on their early lps (and later ones?) prove that rock listeners aren't always drawn to a forward sounding midrange; they backed off on the midrange. Some people look for smoothness and absence of flaws in the midrange, and I suppose that's what their midrange suppression is all about. Most Mofis were rock recordings. Classical music sounds fine with the midrange a little distant. Maybe THE most famous jazz recording engineer who worked for Riverside and a few others was known for his piano in the other room sound, with the piano often very distant in the mix. Most tube preamps, even though they are less bright usually, than transistor equipment, usually come off as closer sounding in the midrange. The typical solid state high end transistor preamps sound is a refined, somewhat distant and laid back midrange sound. Yet I think electric guitars tend to growl more on solid state.
@@sidesup8286 True!
My personal opinion on good rock sound is good midrange
Thank god for Klipschorns. I never have to worry about these problems 😉
I think any well designed speaker should at least sound decent with all music.
My Cerwin Vega,s RE 30,s work just fine for all music.
My OHM L,s work fine for all music also, just depends if i want to hear it ,or really hear it.
This is when speakers dont have a flat response..next issue. The recording is made for midfi..and its designed to sound dynamic.. but if you have accurate system ..
It will reveil the crap mix.. its common in my opinion
To get such alignment we neet to care for speaker performance , not to be guided by music from speaker If we use any music then speake will be set for this praticular.
While I take Paul's word for it that there are exceptions, they are likely few, and costly. I used to have a pair of B&W 802's. Fabulous speakers. But even they weren't perfect for everything. (Yikes! I see a pair sell for close to $30k now? Geesh.
My speakers are ideal for any type of music, and are speakers Paul is quite familiar with.
@PaulMcGowanPsAudioofficial01. It’s the ATCs you use in your studios.
I have two sets of speakers Towers with built in powered subs and also Magnepan 7's
So depending on my mood i select the appropriate speakers
Also i run two SVS Ultra 13 subs with the upgraded plate amps So when i play music with my towers my neighbours are on my porch with torches 😂 with the Maggie's not so much 😊
I have a lowly pair of SVS Pinnacles that sound fantastic no matter what I listen to.
Most speakers I have heard do not sound that great that made are today or more modern. Polk and Wharfedale sound good, but the big problem with speakers built today is the lack of midrange. Two way speakers lack sound and or range, and speakers that don't have a actual midrange lack certain frequencies. A mid bass speaker is not impressive to me. A midrange should produce a certain range. Speakers should produce a wide range of frequencies. You can't do that if you have a speaker that only does the highs and lows. Instruments have notes that go beyond 20 Hz to 20 kHz, and a good speaker should be able to reproduce that.
Speakers are like “Spices” different spices for different flavors in cooking.
If you want the best speakers for all genres and cheaper then PS Audio Aspen, just buy the Legacy Audio Focus SE.
Would Altec 19’s be good for black (race) derived music?
I run tubes and a horn speakers. Blues, Rock, Jazz and vocals sound great and I can't even play RAP or big bass.
If you want to blast Pink Floyd I have 2 words for you.....Cerwin Vega
It’s one word and you forgot the !
CerwinVega! 🔈👍🏻 3:12
I've seen them 3 Times, in '73, '75, and '77 at Waterbury CT, Long Island, NY and Madison Square Garden, NYC respectively and they sounded amazing through the B&W DM 6 powered by GAS Ampzilla amplification back then.
@@JR-ho5qm I should have looked at my AT-12's
Now that the party is jumpin
With the bass kicked in
And the Vega's are pumpin
@@domosautomotive1929 is that Vanilla Ice? I forgot
I gave a 👍 just because you said "Pink Floyd" 😅❤
Focal speakers are amazing for all genres of music, how they just disappear and insanely detailed in any volume.
Don't let Paul fool you. There are other manufacturers other than his own that can play all genres of music. Try Canton. All you have to do is go in $10,000. No need to spend 20K and 30k for Paul's speakers. By the way, the Canton speakers are made in Germany and Paul's are made in China
Has he ever said that only his own can play all types of music? Periodically (actually with some frequency in his posts here) I hear him speak well of or even praise gear, including speakers, by his competitors.
@@maxhirsch7035 Max, the better question is this. Why does Paul charge so much for a Chinese made speaker? 20k, 30k? Now he has a magical 4k and 5k off. His margin has to be astronomical. He used the word "rare" and then mentioned his ridiculously over priced speakers. It's not "rare" to find speakers that play all genres well. You just need to know where to look;)
@@ryanschipp8513what does where its manufactured or PS Audios margin have to do with anything? If someone loves the sound of a pair of Aspen Fr 30s and has the money to buy a pair that's up to them. You are not the arbiter of value. There is a great deal of hifi equipment I will never be able to afford but that doesn't stop me appreciating or desiring it. Id love an Aston Martin Vanquish but I've got zero chance of owning one. I certainly dont sit there pontificating what the profit margin is on a new one.
Unless you're rich, one word keeps coming up in my mind on these people who pay many tens of thousands of dollars for a piece of audio equipment...the word that keeps coming up is "maniac." Someone who wants something so dang bad that they're willing to do anything to get it. Like that guy from the Presidential regime of many decades ago who had a thing for women's feet.
Or you could run vintage EPI
some music is just recorded poorly, lots of Rock music I like is unfortunately like this. For those kinds of tracks, you kinda need a speaker with a dip in the mids and a midbass bump to be able to jam out
Very close to my findings as well. The deeper I go into the audio world - the less I can listen to Rock
My Anthony Gallo speakers sound good with all genres
I miss the AR9s.
There is no perfect speaker, just like a phono-cartridge on other end of spectrum. Best to choose a speaker based on the genre you mostly listen to.
Yea I noticed in the past Bose really support jazz and classical but not hard rock.
😂. Bose sucks. They are below Mid fi. 😂
Rockers have less money and they would prefer to associate with whatever makes them look the best. But probably sold more for rock anyway.
So many reviewers are given the product to give good reviews. Don't place all your eggs in a reviewers basket.
Passive radiators are horrible for music. Most of the bass is 360ish degrees out of phase. Ported speakers to a lesser degree. All sealed is the way to go.
Your username is just the kind of user/ (and) name that would think 360 degrees out of phase is a problem. If you're travelling around a circle and go 360 degrees....guess what? You're right back where you started from!...The best selling high end speaker of all time used a passive radiator; the Vandersteen model 2. A passive radiator "done well" can be a good thing. The speaker that I've owned that had the tightest, best bass definition ever was ported. It had one of those long rectangular shaped ports on the back. I haven't been impressed with a lot of speakers with round shaped ports for some reason. I wonder why? I guess you wouldn't be the one to ask about that, with your 360 degree difficulties. I hope you'll take this in good humor. Didn't mean to be offensive.
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180 maybe?
No bargaining here, 360 it is! The dude has spoken!
@@sidesup8286
"Your username is just the kind of user/ (and) name that would think 360 degrees out of phase is a problem."
-That's okay. I'm not insulted.
"If you're travelling around a circle and go 360 degrees....guess what? You're right back where you started from!..."
-Very true! You're smarter than you look. I'm impressed.
"The best selling high end speaker of all time used a passive radiator; the Vandersteen model 2."
-That doesn't negate the problem of being 360ish degrees out of phase.
"Didn't mean to be offensive.
-No worries. I'm sure your ignorance wasn't willful.
Allow me to explain the 360ish out of phase problem. Entertain this hypothetical; you have a speaker that has one 8in woofer, and a 10in passive radiator. Let's start off with both cones stationary, and then introduce one beat of a kick drum. The woofer cone moves one full(ish) wave length before the radiator begins to move in sync with the woofer. Now think about what the sine wave looks like. For the first wave length, the amplitude will be small because only the woofer is producing sound pressure. For the subsequent wave, the amplitude of the woofer will combine with the amplitude of the radiator, resulting in a high amplitude wave. The problem here, is that the sine wave of a kick drum does not start out with a low amplitude wave, it leaves the gate with a high amplitude wave. Understand?
My bicycle is better than your bicycle..I have handlebar streamers and playing cards attached to my wheels with clothes pins..😎
Yes, but what is its efficiency rated at? And how low does it go? And was it difficult to set up?
@@maxhirsch7035😀😀😀
It has 30k Brake cable made of pure Silver. 👍
Everyone knows baseball cards
have better response time (rebound) between spoke strokes. /s
Wilson are my favorite speakers.
Wilson’s are WAY over priced
@@tattednyctrkman8119for you clearly. Not for everyone.