Is Maxxis' new MaxxSpeed compound really faster?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- A big part of racing is making sure you're using the right gear, and we’re always asking questions and testing new equipment to make sure we're using the best gear available. Today, we’re going to be running our own little experiment, comparing Maxxis’s new MaxxSpeed compound to the exact same tires of the old compound. We already know we like these tires for their improved wet weather traction, but do they really roll faster like Maxxis says? And if so, how much faster?
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What were the size and model of tire?
2.4 Rekon Race
@@sydandmacky front and rear? what pressures do you run Macky?
22/25psi
I would honestly like to see a "Syd and Macky fuel the race Cookbook". Pre race load, post race recovery, heck even trail snacks. That quesadilla looked delicious.
Right!!! Whatever meal syd whips up is very creative, looks healthy and looks delicious
You have by far the best MTB videos - Informative, humorous, and entertaining. I hope it’s all going your way.
I have been running Rekons for a couple years now but you guys have done some really gnarly races running the Rekon Races.
Good stuff. Let’s go w 100k!
I look forward to your videos every week. I can't believe you haven't hit 100K subscribers yet! People are missing out!
Is it fair that Macky was able to draft behind a sprinting dog on one of the runs? Or that a herd of deer thought it would be funny if they distracted Syd during a climb? 😜👍 Keep doing what you do 👍‼️
Great work!! Im a tinkerer and big nerd for stuff like this!!🤘🤘
Love your videos you guys are awesome.
Other factors beyond rolling resistence can be just as important. Like you stated grip in the wet . Other factors is grip in corners that can play a big part in a race . Puncture protection and one puncture away from loosing a podium . That's what's challenging with mountain biking which is all the variables
For Macky's 19m uphill and given Maxxis's claim of one minute saved over 90 minutes of racing, you could expect 60s * 19/90 savings, or 12.67s. You got 13s. I think you nailed it! Syd's at 6s for 15m of riding is a bit low for their claims but still better. So, I'm thinking that the compound probably helps as Maxxis claims.
Such a geek-out episode. Love it. I do often wonder about your local rides - and where all the people are. Seems you either have great timing, or it's a well spread-out network where you rarely run into other riders.
We almost never see other people, partially because we have lots of trails and not that many people, but also because we ride during the day when other people are at work.
Even if it's just marketing hype, I always say there is nothing wrong with a placebo as long as it works.
The monetary cost is certainly a downside to the placebo effect.
They're replacing the existing compound with this one, so no effect on the price!
@@sydandmacky sure, keeping the price the same is cool. And to be fair I thought your assessment of these tires seemed fair and transparent. My point to the OP was that marketing hype without substance drives people to buy new products even if they don’t need them and that’s silly. Placebo effect is cool but there is not “nothing wrong” with it.
I got 2 of these as soon as they came out in Australia. Rekon Races are as rare as hens teeth down under this year. Got them for a 60km race, the Noosa Enduro, in late July.
Do you still run the Rekon Race? Would you recommend these tires for trail riding?
heres to you guys hitting the magic 100k subbers!
Just did my first ride with the Maxxis Recon Race 29x2.4 on my Down Country bike and the speed of this tire is insane! It’s surreal to feel the difference in acceleration coming out of a corner with this vs the Aggressor I had on it for rowdier trails. The cornering traction was still on point too for such a shallow tread. Love this tire for a racing application!
You lost me at "downcountry"... jk, just had to pretend to be that guy. :)
@@bikesandbeans I fully understand, trust me. It’s just more ubiquitous now than “short travel trail bike.”
I really don't get why people get so bothered at dc when you still hear all mountain every now and then and it seemed to only describe 160 trail bikes. It's more a bother hearing people unleash a tirade every moment they get about "its just marketing jumble to sell you more stuff its not a real word!!" than the description itself 🙄
I want your Quesadilla recipe. YUM!!!
Great stuff (as usual)! Ive been wondering for years how much Maxxgrip slows me down. compared to Maxxterra or DC.
I really don't care, I love my MaxxGrip up front
The dog followed you from Chile! :o
awesome!
Awesome epik video
I try to keep my tire choices simple. Mezcals in the dry and nobby Nic's in the wet seem to keep me alive. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 😂
I wish Vittoria would hop on board the 2.4 train.
There’s the maxxis ardent, ardent race, and ikon… Not just the reckon and reckon race try them all before the next episode cue (Dre Dre, snoop).
Hey Syd and Macky! I have watched your videos since a while and i'm absolutely blown away how awesome (#bemoreawesome) you two guys already are! I wanted to order a t-shirt with the - eating- wins - races-print - but i live in germany, and shipping to germany is so damn expensive from the US ... not only 20 dollars for the normal shipping already but on top there will be some extra tax from the german government and probably from the post office aswell. I'm really sorry, but I'm too afraid that costs might explode and sadly i haven't got that much money left so I decade to support you guys with only some honest and really good meant words, which I'm doing now. So thanks heaps for these amazing built videos, I especially like the category "Syd fixes bikes" and since i watched them i always make my brake bleeds with the - gravity brake bleed - because as you taught us, this works really amazing! And I also like the way you film the races, always trying to show how it really is to race and even with the lows and sad moments which we all know and have from time to time. And I belive that not trying to show anything else which isn't real is what makes your videos so beautiful. So go on, stay thankful and down to earth, as you are and i whish you lots of amazing hours biking on the trails of this world coming. Your excited fan Johannes from germany
Thanks for the kind words Johanness! And completely understand about the t-shirt. It's such a bummer that international shipping is so expensive but what can you do?
Faz esse experimento com o peso da bike! 👏👏
Would you give a try to Aspen 2.4?
Another great comparison video. I’m new to cycling and really enjoy your content! I have a question? What’s your opinion on oval chainrings? I’ve noticed very few pro’s like yourself running them and it might have more benefits to novice riders with uneven pedal strokes.
Our reasoning is if they were actually beneficial then pro road tour teams would use them (since they're trying so hard to get every benefit possible, sometimes even illegal ones). So we've never tried them. Lots of people seem to like them though 🤷♂️
Where can I get the awesome shirt Syd was wearing at the end?
Scientific Syd and Mathematics Macky
Are you guys running these for Downieville? 60 or 120 tpi? Front and rear? Thanks!
Are these both a front and rear tire? Or do they have different variations for front and rear? I currently use a maxis dhf for rear and a maxxis aggressor on the front and am down to try different ones…thinking i might try the rekons
Rekon Race doesn't have separate front and rear versions. Aggressor/DHF is definitely a weird combo, usually people run them the other way around (DHF Front/Aggressor rear). Based on personal experience, the Rekon and Rekon Race are XC tires, meaning they don't have a ton of cornering knob to work with, but roll real fast. I think a good lightweight combo would be the new Forkaster up front and a Rekon Race out back.
2.4 Recon Race is legit. If there's no tech a little overkill, but for real modern XC they're great.
I saw you did well at the Grand Junction event. Are you planning to do a video on it?
Yup, week from Friday
Hi Sid and Macky. Would you recommend the Rekon Race for a front tyre. I am on a 140mm trail bike but only ride technical XC . Do you find it enough grip?
You might be happier on a Rekon on the front instead of the Rekon Race. It's got great traction and still rolls well. Unless you're planning to race XC seriously at which point the Rekon Race would be a better option.
I wonder how maxxis measure it. Do they get to ride like you guys or is it done on a machine?
I notice that the newest compound tire listings for both the Aspen and the Rekon Race removed the 'WT' rating from the tire size. Are they no longer WT rated or is it now assumed?
The website charts seem a bit outdated. I ordered these straight from Maxxis and the item itself is described as 29.2.40WT for the MaxxSpeed compound tire (TB00464700)
Thank god you used Kg!
How are the Berd spokes holding up?
They are great! Haven't had to tension or mess with them at all
I have run Maxxis race rekon for the past 4 years both 60 and 120 tpi found the 60 gives more puncture resistance. What psi do you run them at on average.
Macky - 22/25, Syd - 19/23
Clean off the place, and get it ready to put your 100,000 viewers plaque. You should be there any day now. 👍
I just purchased the new 2.4 aspen max speed, unfortunately they are heavier, 760 grams compared to the previous model which were around 720. Not sure but that probably nullifies the speed improvement. What do you think?
Weight and speed are not clearly linked. If they were everyone would still be running 26 inch narrow tires.
Also, a little known fact is that there's quite a bit of weight variation tire to tire of the same model in the same compound. For example, the Rekon Races we were using, the old compound, one was 850g and the other was 820. And the new compound, one was 810 and the other was 800. So although the one you got might be heavier, I wouldn't assume that means the new compound is heavier.
Question do you run tire inserts? Or is it just tire sealant?
Just sealant on the XC bikes
You should buy vittoria mezcal 2.0 graphene 29.25 you wont go back with softer side wals...best rolling resistence,braking cornering ext stable,a little bit hevy but when you get momentum it rools over more easily..
Where can one purchase these new tires at?
Maxxis is replacing the old compound with this new one and retailers are starting to receive them. The key is to make sure it has the MaxxSpeed logo on it (and not a 3C MaxxSpeed logo)
Сan you sort by rolling resistance tires with new MaxxSpeed compound (in sizes 2.35"-2.40", with set to rim internal width about 30mm), i think it will be ASPEN(more faster)=>RECON RACE=>IKON(more slower), thanks
All the maxxis tires ive used develop a wobble, from wired bead to tubeless ready ones. Have you guys experienced it too?
Have this issue with Specialized tyres. All the Maxxis ones seem ok as far as I've noticed...
Never had that problem. Maybe they've fixed it 🤷♂️
Your math on the on the potential time savings during the ride is actually even more wrong with the overlay. On a 20 min climb the saving would amount to 13.3 seconds
Yeah, math is hard all the time 🤣
Hi, I would love it if you could do a video on how you guys are fast on such low training volume.
Low training volume 🙂 Follow them on strava
@@simonnrgaard7731 I do. They don’t don’t train very much around 7 to 13 hours a week.
Yes on the bike
Fitness gym is the key just ask Nino
@@mioutdoors426 quality over quantity always. A lot of gym work/strength training (that doesn't show up on Strava) and a lot of threshold/vo2 work. Adding more volume is counterproductive if you don't have time to recover. When we're in the race season, we are mostly racing and recovering/maintaining during the week, so fairly low volume but high intensity. Hoping to get a higher volume week or two in June before BCBR but that will require not racing for a few weeks. Some people respond better to volume, some to intensity, depends a lot on the athlete.
Well the good news is, your both extremely fast, the bad news is...your bad at math on or off the bike 🤣. It's 60s * 20s/90s = 13.33, since Sid did it in 15 minutes she would be 60s * 15s/90s = 10s. I also don't get how Sid did the same lap in less time with less wattage?
One other thing, I'm actually going to get either the Rekon Race MaxxSpeed, or Aspen MaxxSpeed in the near future. Any reason you prefer the Rekon Race over the Aspen?
Syd is lighter than I am, so technically it is possible, but in this case she ended up doing a different and slightly shorter loop with the goal of us ending around the same time.
We tend to choose the Rekon Races as they provide more traction and a lot of the races we've been doing justify extra traction!
@@sydandmacky Thanks, sounds like I'll probably want the Rekon Race then, with maybe a Rekon up front. Years ago I had an Ikon out back and an Ardent Race up front. I didn't like the Ikon because of the vague cornering or climbing traction out back, and didn't like the unpredictable cornering up front of the Ardent Race. So I moved the Ardent Race out back (like it's cornering as a rear), put the old Forekaster up front (like how it's predictable when cornering) and have really enjoyed that setup. But the Ardent Race is worn and I'd like something a little faster rolling, especially up front.
@@sydandmacky Recon Race are recommended only for rear, you set it to rear and front?
An ounce is about 28.4 grams. Yes, a gram is relatively small.
13.3 secs
My ride is a fat bike and what I would love to see is tyre compounds like your's on this test that give super good traction on ice.. my experience this winter just passed was my Jumbo Jim's 4.8" on the front (£50) with ZERO traction.. very dangerous even with lowered pressures and I had to walk carefully over sheet ice in a location (canal bank cobble stones) and watching INCREDIBLY ASTONISHINGLY a cyclist pass me on a cyclo cross bike EASILY with pinned to the ground wheels.. got to be racing compounds
I will help you to get to a hundred k.!
Thanks!
@@sydandmacky I didnt even get a like? sheesh.
Any test where your physical input is added to the result seems invalid. I’d say ride it down a paved hill without any pedaling for a more valid result.
Nice Vid,But Unrealistic to Expect Any Meaningful Real Data From What your Doing,There are Far Too Many Variables Out on the Trail to Make this Useful Apart From What You Feel they Brought to Yourself and that Could Be either Way Depending on how You interpret what Your Doing