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The Donkey almost had me there I almost got into the turn fight with him, I have to admit I'm kind of liking the I-16 more and more I might mess around with it a bit more. Thank you for watching and Big thanks to Eightball for helping with his video.
Mosquito vs Fly
Hi GS. I wrote basically the same things, but it was an old video of yours that I commented... I hope you read this one. In Pacific Fighters (20 years old IL-2 game that I really loved) there were a bunch of beautiful fighters that I can't seem to find around nowadays: F4 Corsair, Seafire and Ki-84 being my favourites, but also Hellcat, Ki-46 (it would be very similar to the I-16, but better, I believe), Ki-61, A6 Zero and many others. Any hope to see you in a corsair anytime soon?
Thank you and congratulations, both for your skills and your videos!
GS: it’s the ego checker…
Eagle dynamics: Why are sales of the I-16 going through the roof?
Likely to happen imo
“It’s not the size of the dog in the fight. It’s the size of the fight in the dog.”
F-14 leaves the chat
-Sun Tzu probably
Trouble for the big dog is that the small dog is just in the right spot for your 'soft underbelly.'
@@Max-yf5sj Not often Sun Tzu mentions dogs.
Lol
F22 vs p 51
Please
Yes
Bruh we all know the p51 will win not even worth doing this 😂
It’s time
Instead lets just fly f22 alone results will be same 🤧
I loved flying the I-16 in IL-2 1946 online against 109s, especially the one with cannons (type 24?). Most guys would severely underestimate it and I would drive them crazy turning outside their gun angle. I learned a thing or two about evasive flying that way. Lots of fun!
The tactics GS used on the Kite is exactly how the Germans took it on. I could not fathom why the P-47 didn't use its 100 mph advantage in the same way the Mosquito
А он и не использовал преимущество в скорости. Он использовал преимущество в скороподъёмности, которого у P-47 не было. Толи это какое-то условие таких дуэелей, толи наслоение привычек из поздней реактивной эры, но разрыв дистанции на этом канале я вижу редко.
Upd.
Глянул в компарь - я не прав, у москито со скороподъёмность даже немного хуже ситуация. Это именно удержание большей энергии за счёт климба на больших скоростях, где у И-16 уже начинаются проблемы. Это должен уметь и P-47. Почему не использовали ни это, ни разрыв дистанции - загадка.
@@Coluchiy84 Хороший момент. Правильный P47 должен был использовать скорость для разделения, а затем подниматься, чтобы совершить пикировую атаку.
My thoughts exactly. Should the P-47 have been flown that way in the previous video, the outcome may have been entirely different... Also, the fight started at a higher altitude this time, just where the Jug's turbocharger may start to kick in.
I was going to say this too. Also they didn’t do a merge, GS started at a higher altitude for this dogfight.
I like GS but I do think he sets up some rules or parameters to give him the best chance of winning. In the P47 the pilot never used its speed advantage and went into the two circle but never broke it like any smart pilot would do and accelerate for their speed advantage to then climb away and dive down again once the donkey lost its energy.
@@razorback20 I agree with you. I like GS but its clear he sets rules or parameters to give him the best advantage at winning. They didn’t even do a proper merge he already started at an altitude advantage and naturally kept that energy advantage. Also the p47 kept trying to turn fight which any decent p47 pilot knows stay straight stay fast and use ur speed to pull away and climb to then repeat your attack.
So definitely think it was a little set up for a better chance at a win.
I-16 Dogfights
Su-57:Finally a worthy opponent!Our battle will be legendary
that ending shot where you can see through the bullet holes on the wing is badass.
Could we ask you to start adding the HOTAS input graph to your videos (I mean the one under RCtrl + Enter)? It would be a great learning source to see how you deal with all the maneuvers, your rudder work, etc. Would be great to see how you behave in energy draining situations.
The I-16 is fabulous in the right hands.
Reminds me of how tall and muscular guys have always mentioned to me that they don't discount short and squat guys while out at night/clubbing. Little guys can turn on a dime and give a flurry of punches without warning and fight like their lives depend on it. It's safer to ignore them and move along out of their territory. Donkey : "What you lookin' at bro? You wanna go bro?" Growling : "I'll just hang out up here..." 👍
boom and zoom is so frustrating if you are on the other end of it but it also is if you are doing it and you cant quite get guns on the better turner
If I'm not mistaken, the -18 version of the I-16 was armed with 4 .30 caliber machine guns, but the -24 version was armed with 2 .30 caliber machine guns and 2 20mm cannons. The -24 model could do some damage if it gets a hit on you. Be interesting to know which version is in DCS.
Apparently the one in DCS is the type 24 which just had 4 x 7.62 machine guns. The type 17 and 27 and possibly others had 2 x 7.62 and 2 x 20mm. Supposedly the extra weight hurt performance so they weren’t built in large numbers. It would be nice to have the option of using a model with 20mm cannons in DCS though.
I have always thought, nearly 70 so been around awhile, that the I-16 was the fighter version of the Gee Bee racer.
Twin Merlins, quad MGs, quad cannon, fast as hell, and as maneuverable as any fighter... The Mosquito ruled it's era.
All true -‘except for the maneuverability
*it's* era?! :O How about you ruling a tad of english grammar? :D
@reAction It could easily bounce the BF-109 and it could probably take on the FW-190 too. If it couldn't win it could simply run away.
@reAction Considering that *Beaufighters* managed to bounce FW-190's, its not out of the realm of possibilities.
@@chrismartin3197it can outurn 109s
When you fight a plane that does not have your speed and but is more maneuverable, you use airspeed and altitude to win. You don't get into a low energy dogfight.
The donkey is personally one of my favorite WWII planes - if you get the height advantage on someone, it’s almost a guaranteed victory.
Alas, that is its own downfall.
A very well executed attack. Great restraint to the desire to hunt the “donkey” down.
I don't even need to have watched this to know how it ends..
You would be surprised though... :D
F22 vs p51
That would literally last 5 nanoseconds 🤣🤣but it would be very funny to see that
I didn't know who to root for. Based on the previous videos, I have a liking to BOTH aircraft. Fun video. Thanks for sharing.
You avoided the mistake the P47 pilot made. Do. Not. Dogfight. an I-16!
A twin engine propeller driven fighter can rarely turn with a single engine aircraft. They discovered that when the P-38 losses began to mount in the European theatre against the Luftwaffe’s fighters.
The donkey is basically a GeeBee fast and really unstable, 2 things that make a great fighter and don't forget he can smell you!!!
"A-HAAAA !!......JUSTICE....I think....."
Great job. That is how you should mostly deal with between the wars planes that came out of the biplane era. They TURN .
Another plane, as such, you might look at is the Polish mono-high wing that is armed with 20mm cannon...Don't remember the name. But Germany did not roll over Poland as easily as history claims.
PZL P.11c and later P.24.
I love that little ishak she is so aerobatic. You have to watch the tendency to snap left in a tight turn but otherwise a stupendous dogfighter 😁👍✌️❤️
From afar, the Donkeh looks like the Russian Brewster Buffalo, until you realize you're actually fighting the Russian Zero.
It's basically a biplane masquerading as a monoplane. Since it is basically an I-15 in monoplane configuration. And that thing is even more manouverable than I-16.
Just imagine what a p-61 black widow would do but they were mostly in the pacific theater great video GS.
There was 7 squadrons of P-61's in the Italian theater, 4 in Britain in 1944
The P61 (aircraft of my dreams) is the same size as the B 25 Mitchell bomber and has 1,000 lbs higher dry weight. I don't see it as a winner in daytime combat with a front line fighter. It wasn't made for fair fights.
@@fraserhenderson7839 it was a night fighter, and the first dedicated night fighter capable of being a night fighter bomber, and did attack a few luftwaffe airfields in late 44 early 45 from bases in Britain and cause significant damage to a few airfields rendering them non operational and forcing the luftwaffe to retreat from said airfields
P-61 Black Widow. The most menacing, ugliest, and somehow simultaneously maybe one of the best looking aircraft ever made.
Followed oddly enough, in that order by the Beaufighter and the AD-1 Skyraider...
The fugly girls know how to punch correctly.
@@BeingFireRetardant I flown in an AD-1/A-1E skyraider
The I-16 is a nasty little rattlesnake. Disrespect it and it will strike you like lightning.
I-16 is the first airdynamicly unstable fighters, like all 4th and 5 gen fighters
Imagine doing that in early Bf-110… that thing was a menace in early phase of Barbarossa
Lord but that Mosquito is a thing of beauty.
I think fabric skins lack enough strength to detonate HE rounds. Cannon shells simply punch a 20mm hole then go on to transform some poor cow into a pile of salsa. Maybe this is is factored into the damage model? Just wondering... Thanks for another great vid!
AFAIU while the Mossie had fabric covering on the wings and fuselage, the fabric was draped over plywood sheeting which formed the main "skin" on the aircraft. Control surfaces were fabric over aluminum framing though. I'm not sure there is that much difference in setting off HE shells vs. a traditional WWII all metal construction?
@@jbepsilon think the same problem happened here with the i16, notice the 20mm hit him center mass, and didn't detonate, but when he hit the wing tip, it exploded.
No armor is best armor
Never has the sense of relief been so tangible in a RUclips video!
What a beautiful plane design.
Some time ago now, but IIRC, the Mosquito started out as a 4-engine design, but when the designers started looking at all the stuff they'd need to brace the structure for 4 engines it just got impossibly heavy and slow. They had an epiphany though, and started taking things away from the design, pretty quickly transitioned to a 2-engine design and kept optimizing away until they had a really brilliant design. Elon Musk would have loved that design team, as he uses the exact same process. Paring things down almost always results in a virtuous cycle in design. The Viper and the F-16XL are both excellent examples as is the A4 - whose retractable gear didn't even fully retract bc to do so would have interrupted the main spar, so they just built a speed fairing and left the wheels to stick out a bit.
At any rate, it's a real pleasure to see how exactly all those design decisions helped create a legend, and exactly how brilliant the design was in action. I always liked that the twin-boom designs, like the P-38 Lightening spread the weight across the lift of the wings, reducing the demands on the wing structure dramatically.
@@roijoi6963 And if what I read was true, they deliberately intended from onset to create a nearly all wood plane due to metal shortage. And I seem to remember reading that they put quite a bit of balsa wood into the design as well as ash from Europe, Douglas fir from northwest America and sitka spruce from the west coast. Sitka spruce is still considered by many guitarists to be the premier wood for making acoustic guitar soundtops. And also that they weren't expecting pilots to fall in love with the plane. Apparently it was a joy to fly yet had one of the meanest bites on the battlefield.
Gotta respect the I-16, it can still hold its own indeed.. also, one lesson i've learned watching Growly fight is never cross your foe's nose even after you've dealt the killing blow.. great fight once again!
The Mosquito is quite the aircraft it turns out.
It seems the I-16 is quite underrated too.
was half expecting one of those pieces to fly back up and start chasing you
For all i know this donkey was the best in the world when it was introduced with a long of first ever list, its not a bad plane at all but the world of aviation was evolving very fast
Run little donkey
Hey if its possible and hasn't been done yet could you do a dogfight between a p40 and an A6M5?
Unfortunately none of those are in DCS sorry man
@@GrowlingSidewinder Damn thats unfortunate
3:30 Glorious stalinium
Can you throttle each engine separately ? In the P38 many top aces used this tactic to maneuver far better.
You can, but the engines do not counter-rotate. So if you end up throttling back the 'critical engine' (which one that is depends on which way the props turn), the aircaft could end up becoming VERY unstable.
Dude your reaction time on the guns is nuts
They take ages to open up when squeezing the triggers...
Always a Hoot watching you!!!
The Mosquito is my all time favorite WWII aircraft.
The Donkey is well named, slow, nimble and tough as nails...
I-16 "Alright... we'll call it a draw"
I was watching some different videos and I would love to see how you play with Virtual Reality on DCS because you can have a natural way to see everything inside the airplanes and freelook, and real 3D world around you, etc, etc, etc. Cheers!
Now fly against the I16 in a Me110. That would be interesting...
In a close up recording the mosquito do be sounding like a mosquito doe
You kinda started with a huge energy advantage though... Would be interesting to see this fight on equal footing.
Actually we started at the same altitude and speed, I just climbed before the merge and he wasn’t able to climb as much
I had an awful feeling at the start that the I-16 was going to be a lot more troublesome. Thankfully I was wrong. I 'm enjoying the Mosquito coverage very much. Thank you.
Would be sick to see a fight between the Mosca and a Bf109 :)
You should try the I-16 vs the Ki-27 Nate.
I would like to see a good grpund attack mission in the Mosquito. Some nail biting low level action.
So far I've just been watching people try to get the Mosquito off the ground in the world at war server with limited success. I can't laugh though because I did the same in the P-47 and even though I've gotten past that I enter uncontrolled spins very often when I try to maneuver...lol.
Rudder control if your friend with warbirds. When you learn to kick the rudder to keep the ball centered, keeping in coordinated flight, you will find things much, much easier. Watch the feet of vintage prop pilots when they are in take off and landing thresholds. They look like they are ballroom dancing, their feet are so active.
If it’s anything like the mustang empty out the gas when learning. You’re not flying to Berlin.
@@toxaq - here is a comma for your punctuation. ,
@@MrDino1953 and here's a pie for your hole.
The I-16 is stubborn like a Donkey.
From F-15 vs F-14 to Donkey vs Mosquito🤌
Why does it look like the I-16 is wearing a Sombrero at 1:31 mins? XDDD
It actually is the motor, but it looked like a hat to me first by the perspective!
It's a Russian-Mexican aircraft-a rare kind of mixed heritage!
@@Lexoka yeah LOL
Seems like the I-16 would be a great subject for a Merch jersey or hoodie!!
...only if no never, ever, ever want to get laid again
HEE haw!!! EeeHeEEH haww!!! The Donkey does it right!
Maybe its just my war thunder experience but seeing an i16 at its ranking is always a bit scary. Thing is a menace
This is what happens when you face the most OP airplane in Rank I in War Thunder. 😂
5:06 you have a hole in your right wing!
To be fair, no aircraft is truly scary anymore once you get the jump on them, and competence to execute it, can't forget that.
I feel perfectly safe regardless of the outcome of the fight. I guess i would feel differently if it was real!?
I-16 pilot could have done more agressive turns once mosquito was close to avoid most of the shells
I would love to see you in a few videos with the P-38 Lightning if you can do any.
unfortunately there is no p38 in the sim at this time, but as soon as we get one I promise I will.
God I can't wait for the Mosquito in IL-2
The wooden wonder! 😅
You might say that it... kicks like a donkey? :)
How are the planes in comparison to the BoX-planes? I know that DCS has more complex flight- and engine-models, and that's not what I mean: I mean how is the feel in the aircraft in comparison - do you get a "P-38-vibe" or a "Spit-vibe" (or a what-vibe) in both of them? Would be fun to see a comparison-vid from you one day
Regarding "ridiculously tough" the Mosquito was no easy bit to take down itself.
That's because no armor is best armor, cannon shells don't arm if they go right through
@@Robert53area Yep. I almost put that in, but decided there would plenty who already knew that.
Boom and Zoom the shut out of the little tiny foes
They need to make a Finnish Brewster Buffalo module to match the I-16.
F-22 vs I-16 lol
You could have just flown away from it and called it a day. 😁
Great video, I am a commercial pilot , G sidewinder try to do the dogfight between Argee F-86 vs Royal AV8 Sea harrier or Harrier Gr3 , at the time of Falkland argentina reamin a one scuadron with f 86 sabre wirh shafr 2 missiles we dont know why dont send these fighters to the islands.
As always, love and appreciate the WWII content 👍
Boris the Blade in aircraft form.
I don't wanna get shot by a .... DONKEY 🤣🤣🤣
It seems like the two planes’ nicknames should be reversed. The I16 is a real mosquito, and when dogfighting the Mossie is more of a Donkey for sure.
I Swear... If GS puts the Donkey against the F22 I will impregnate myself with a turkey baster and name my offspring Growling Sidewinder.... And I am a dude!
Now imagine there was two of them
Texture are incredibles.... Looks almost real terrain and cities
I demand you to use it on your serv!
We might just do it bro lol
Let’s see a p38 vs mosquito fight and vice versa
I feel like these two planes should switch names
The “Donkey” kinda reminds me of the Brewster Buffalo.
I-16 - 1933y, 7.62mm.
Mosquito - 1940y, 20mm.
Yea, fighter vs bomber\heavy-fighter, but seriously, what else could you expect?
And the I-16, known to the Nationalists as the Rat, was all but finished
What an aircraft. Just beautiful.
I bought the i-16 because of this video.
I have tried to look up a youtube tutorial
on how to do the instant replays that
many DCS video makers are using now
and cannot find any info. They seem
to refer to the replay ability of dcs
right column button for replay ?
Thanks for any help
Clear Skies and Happy New Year
Why did donkey started at that much lower altitude?
I-16 DONKEY belongs in DCS.... I hope the Developer can finish it and release another plane soon.
I think his next project is the Yugo car....
A wise man once said, "NEVER cross their nose!"
Such honesty and respect.
"There's nothing more dangerous than a wounded mosquito..."
Can you imagine what the early bf-109 pilots must have felt like engaging the I-16 in the Spanish Civil War?
Haven't watched this yet. All I know it's gonna be a bruh dogfight