Short Warcraft Movie Review by Nobbel
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Seen the warcraft movie today and since so many people asked for it, here's my little review. There is a spoiler free start and I give a warning once I dive into the spoilers. Hope you'll enjoy and if you're going to see the movie...hope you're going to have a great time!
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What a sad place the internet has become when everyone must apologise for a minute before expressing their opinion.
Exactly lol. So much for freedom of speech and freedom of having an opinion.
Thank feminism, they developed the new "trigger" excuse.
it's either that, or having every fucking piece of human garbage come to the comment section to let you know that they disagree and that their subjective opinion is in conflict with the content creator.
Perhaps a tv series would have been better for the story progression.
A contender for game of thrones perhaps?
***** 0_0
Would be great, but expensive as hell if they're going for live action/CGI, like in the movie.
That would have been fantastic.
KlohsCalls They could do in animation, seeing how their game trailers look like, but it would be expensive as well and I believe most people would ignore it seeing it as preteens/teens tv show, because it's animated.
With all the comments about 40 min being cut, I can't wait to see the director's cut
We're all waiting for it. There were some very clear cuts in the movie especially some parts with medivh.
i watch the movie sir nobbel so i come to search you again... i feel some missing on the movie...
WARNING: Movie spoilers!
i love your review! the second i saw the movie i was talking about you hopefully giving a review xD i watched it with different kind of warcraft fans, me, the "elder lore nerd" and hardcore roleplayer, then a rooleplayer who just met the universe and picked up some novels, a player who had alot of PvE and PvP experience, and a total freshbloodv too the universe.
we all enjoyed the movie a hell lot, and i agree with you about the paste of the story, sometimes overlength would do a movie great. for the time they used, they made a good job for people with enough interest to see through alot, but not all.
the only things that bothered me, where the major differences, like Dalaran floating: we dont really see Dalaran floating, we just hear Kadghar say it, so why bother making it float against the original story anyway?
or the fact that Medivh never aged kadgar with the spell, so easy to put in and to make it happen any second, it just didnt for.. what reason?
and what kinda pissed me off, was the short moment they showed the black cube thing and toold us it iis Alodi, and within was not the first guardian we know, it was an old woman. sure, my theory is iit could be Aegwyn who placed herself there in order to keep watch over medivh, waiting for kadghar to warn him and that the cube is actually the forge of the guardian. but why didnt the kirin'tor knew about Alodi, the first guardian?
on other scenes, i see why they had to do it, like the frostwolfclan was murdered within the orcish camp and thats why baby thrall was put in the river, and wasnt let alone for exsample.
sorry for the long text nobbel, i love your videos and i simply had the urge to post my thoughts in the comments to get them out there, and i would be honored and flattered, if you would even find and be able to read it! lots of love for you!
PS: obviously, i was smashed by the greatnes of visuals and sound. just wanted to add that xD
Agree! When watching the movie, I just wished that they would have went LotR route with 4 hour movie. Would have been able to explain everything perfectly and the pacing would have been right.
I enjoyed the move A LOT, made me come and search for more of the Story of Warcraft found your channel and subb'ed. keep it up man
Then you are about to witness a very deep and long Story. nobble made Days worth of footage. There is a lot to learn
^ True Story
Welcome! As nobbel would say "Kick back, relax." Because you'll have hours of great content!
Same here bruther
You've come to the best place about Warcraft lore on RUclips. So welcome :).
Yeah, just like the guy that plays Ogrim doomhammer said, its a world builder movie and from there hopefully they can make more but better. I reckon this franchise can really improve to be a solid series, it just needs to get enough pull with each movie.
That's the thing I really hope they at least make decent money of the movie.
but hopefully they won't pull that revenure maximization trick that The Hobbit and Hunger Games did: Drawing out a franchise in as many sequels as possible to make the moviegoers pay each time, who have invested into it already by watching all the preceding parts if the story would be wrapped up better in less movie parts instead of drawing it out on purpose.
Amen bro Amen. You are speaking worlds of wisdom
***** let's hope not. Cause this is not a bad movie
Nobbel, the pacing issue is because legendary had duncan cut 40 ish minutes from the movie. That bit included a whole lot fan service;(
Every movie has that, it's part of making a movie.
have to wait for the director cut then
and not see the movie in theaters...
Yeahh!! Fingers crossed for that :D
will they release a exteneed with the uncut version of these 40 min?
Only if it does well now in the theater
That old Man in Dalaran was Antonidas
Wanted to come write this. I am pretty sure it is Antonidas myself. In fact, if you go to imbd page of Warcraft movie, you will see Antonidas character down under actors I think.
Mitar Zecevic
That, and he is named in the credits!
Yes, it's stated in the "Behind the Dark Portal" Behind the Scenes book that it is Antonidas.
ahunter8056
It's also seen in the credits of the movie!
Not sure why people are making such a fuss over who he is!
Kenji 1987 Who's making a fuss?
I give it a 10/10 as a fan, if I weren't, 6/10
But, polymorth and MURLOC!
ragagaragargaragarara
I'm not a fan, I knew little to nothing about Warcraft before going to see it, and I thought it was fantastic! :D
all i can really say after seeing the movie is "please don't fuck up the scourge" because i have this feeling if they do make it to the point where a movie involving the scourge happens they will just mess it up
sylvannas?
In Science We Trust but that's the thing the scourge is more then just another group of zombies you have abominations, ghouls, shades not to mention the Cult of the damned.
The scourge is something that is well defined for a reason zombies are only ever a danger in large packs three or four walking dead style zombies to a group of well trained knights is basically nothing but an annoyance in comparison the same number of scourge troops would be a dangerous threat.
also if the scourge are reduced to just mindless zombies will they just remove the entire story of the Lich King because i don't think i could see them giving any real screen time to the leader of the mindless zombie hoards
TNS N maybe but i think they will just skip over the scourge and make it as if it's not as powerful as it is in warcraft 3
Do you expect a explanation in the new upcoming movies of the titans, Kil Jaeden and Ner`zuhl ?
I dont, so hopefully no scourge bshit :) I don`t think they will be able to make movies of every lore aspect in wow. There is too much for a 2-3 hour movie.
***** they did a pretty good job explaining the scourge in one cut seen in warcraft 3
I agree, also felt the awkwardness in some scenes, specialy the scene with Lothar and Garona.
But in a side note, THERES A FRIGGIN MURLOC IN ELWYNN FOREST!!!!!
Yes, there are murlocs in elwynn forest
@@Godofcheese. Yeh. I thought that was an odd thing to say too lol That's where most people would know them from, no?
After watching it for the first time a week ago I was ecstatic, but now pretty much the same thoughts as you, Nobbel. Still it's a damn fine fantasy flick.
Garona is that kind of orc, huh?
SnuSnu!
That's her Draenei side, HUMAN FILTH CANNOT HANDLE THE MIGHT OF THE ZUG ZUG
+Cheesy Bread dhabuuuu
me not that kind of orc
She can also be that kind of draenie.
Been getting a lot of questions about the lore of the movie compared to the game: The warcraft movie is not part of the main universe lore. It's a movie adaptation, alternate reality of sorts. Some things remained the same, a lot of other things changed.
I'm pretty sure the Kirin Tor mage was Antonidas. He was credited for it.
And that is why the movie sucked. How hard is it to adapt warcraft 1. It was pretty simple, its no LOTR with a bunch of stuff going on.
+Kevin they said it wasn't gonna be a warcraft 1 adaptation.
I thought it was pretty legit.
dakota lail Then what was it? Their version of the first game? It wasn't a world of warcraft movie, it was warcraft based on the first war. So many wrong things about the movie. They could have replaced that boring scene with Durotan and his wife Draka with the Orcs gathering to drink Mannorth's blood. Showing each of the orc leaders, and Durotan refusing to drink the blood. Look at the WOD cinematic intro for how it should have been without Garrosh intervening and making an alternate time line.
+Kevin warcraft has too much lore to cram into 2 hours. they couldn't of done all that and had a story that felt complete.
they took the story tweaked a little and ran with it. they did lore changes for the right reasons In my opinion
in my opinion explaining sargeras and the burning legion would only make the movie more complicated and like nobbel said, cram more story into the movie. I think just keeping it at fel was a good idea and sargeras and the burning legion is more for the next movies.
My thoughts exactly!
The didn't really explain that in Warcraft 1 either so its not really a change from the original plot.
Apparently in the movie lore it was medievh who introduced the fel to gul'dan rather than kil'jaeden which I find a bit dis-appointing but ah well
Leave Sargeras. Doomhammer was part of the frostwolves, the portal closed. Stormwind didnt fall.
Tiffin? I think you mean Taria, buddy :P
Ow ffs I do >.< That's what ya get for making a video 3 in the morning
Nobbel87
(It's alright)
Cue the shame bell!
shhh shh it's ok Nobbel, we don't judge you *hugs*
+Nobbel87 lol
Wasn't Tiffin Varian's wife? I guess that isn't that far off, just one generation lower.
Thanks for posting this, Nobbel. I was one of your subscribers who could not wait to hear what you had to say about the film. Maybe in your followup you could talk about some of the easter eggs that were in the film. Thanks again for this!!
Spoiler below
I loved the short part where you hear to Murlocs, lol
nice grammar m8
he's a murloc what u expect
dont judge
one of the best moments in the movie xD
Lots of poeple in the cinema was pointing at the screen when the murloc appeared when i watched it.
That guy from the Kirin Tor that they *never mention the name of* and literally nobody recognized him at first, is in fact Antonidas.
I also got the feelinig of Antonidas. It couldn't have been anyone else.
Ryuu Akari It was definitely Antonidas. According to IMDb, Toby Kebbell is credited with the roles of Durotan *and* Antonidas.
Problem is, Nobbel, the studio cut out 40min of original footage in order for the movie to qualify for "summer blackbuster" standard. Hence, there seems to be abrupt scene changes and some lack of depth.
Extended edition would more or less fix the problems.
Thats if they include the 40 minutes. I really hope Duncan Jones will be allowed to include it in the extended edition
i hope you are correct!
nobbel, did you think that lady in the Black Box in Dalaran (and the shade in Medivh) was Aegwynn?
thats totally who i thought it was
I thought so too
Yup!
I thought the same but it was Alodi. The First guardian.
wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Alodiwowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Alodi
+Esko De Haan
i find that to be kind of a stupid choice. i suppose it will fall into place for future films but for a Warcraft 3 film it would make more sense to be Aegwynn to bring back Medivh.
i know its a film so the lore will be different... but still
+Esko De Haan
also... did they say her name in the film? i dont remember them calling her by name
The movie was awsome! Go watch it guys! :)
Yeah i agree. This movie is moving at a blistering speed. Nobody got introduced properly, if i were a new comer to WC i would have no idea on what is happening. For people who have known the lore though this movie is fantastic.
Next movie expectations:
> Introduction of the Night Elves
> Introduction of Ner'zul
> Kid Thrall growing up
> At least a glimpse of kid Arthas and/or kid Jaina
> More focus on the other races (High Elves etc.)
> End of the movie, would be the creation of the Undead/ or Ner'zul becomes an armor and frozen in northrend
I think we will see in the next part:The fall of Stormwind and the orcish war against Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas.Pretty sure of this...
They apparently had to cut 40 minutes out of the movie, cause Legendary. A shame, hopefully there'll be an extended edition.
+Someone directos cut
This movie didn't even cover whole first war so I doubt the next movie will end with the end of the second war as they have to close up the first war with the destruction of stormwind and then do the highelf, dragon and death of Gul'dan part and after that also do beyond the dark portal.
Duncan Jones said that if he was to be the director of next two movies then he would do it so that the orcs have a new home after the third movie - that means end of third war. That is some very fast moving lore train and a scary one.
I'm giving it 6/10 and 1 more point for fanboyism and being one of the best game movies ever made, for a total of 7/10.
hahaha me too
hahaha I thought I would be scoffing throughout the entire movie about changes that they made... but I found myself getting giddy at certain parts of the movies or seeing certain characters
hahaha i don't care about the reviews actually. I JUST WANT TO SUPPORT THE FRANCHISE!!! FTW!!!!! hahahaha
"Fans" should be a good thing. If you are a fan of something you should criticize the thing you like ( either it is a company / singer / movie production studio ) and make them be better, to improve, to stand for what you like. Those you talk about are just brainwashed. They are like "this guy have done this thing and it looked very good so everything he does is good". Just like the orcs did with Gul'dan in the movie. They were not fan boys of Gul'Dan,
lol, same here
The mage was Antonidas, it says in the end credits :)
My feelings were pretty much the same. The movie felt disjointed in parts. And then I heard the Director's Cut was 40 minutes longer - and I totally believed it. That's probably the version of the film I'll be getting eventually.
For example, did any of you notice Grom Hellscrem in several scenes of the movie? He is never acknowledged, yet he looks like him and even wields Gorehowl. Back at Comic Con 2015 they showed a scene where he even got to talk with Durotan, Draka and Orgrim. That scene took place before even the very first scene with Gul'dan. And they cut Grom's entire part.
There were also some scenes with Kargath Bladefist if i remember correctly
Damn I want a directors cut badly now.
+TheBuggiMan66 yep there was a lot of orcs that were shown but never expanded on
*spoilers*
Grom is the one who disarms Lothar's kid before Blackhand kills him
+Darth Vidu Durning that moment I didn't fell sad about Lothar's child because I was like "Oh my god Grom Hellscream look at him he is soo good."
I am rather disapointed that "The Lore guy" missed that the "Demon" that comes out of Medivh is Sargeras....
Yep. Nobbel said.
It's not even mentioned it is Sargeras, so to assume so is stupid.
Not a lot of stuff happening in the movie is mentioned, such as what the heck a murloc is.
We all know it is, none the less.
So saying I, and others, are stupid for assuming the obvious - is stupid.
Also, Nobble was very unclear claiming it was Sargeras, all I heard is him saying "Some demon".
Manicca Even in The Last Guardian, Medivh turns to a demon-looking thing, but it isn't explicitly said that's Sargeras.
So yes, making your headcannons on a whim with nothing to back it up, yes.
Yes it is stupid.
Last guardian goes into the song of aegwynn and says: "With the death of Medivh, Sargeras finally came fully to the surface." The warcraft movie does not. Yeah we see him turn into a demon, but the reason presented in the film seems to be fel corruption, corruption which Medivh came in touch with through trolls (bonds of brotherhood). We know the original Medivh had Sargeras inside of him, perhaps that's who they meant with the master, but the info we have does not support one way or the other.
I feel like all of the complaints i have about the movie could be explained by the 40 minutes of cut footage.
Imagine if peter jackson would have cut 40 mintues from the first LOTR movie. It would have been a mess aswell.
Well he did, in LOTR movies the extended edition is 1 hour and 10 mins longer than theater version. theater version was 2 hr 50 min, extended version is 4 hrs.
They really should make warcraft series or trilogy at least. Can't fit the whole story properly in 2-hour duration.
Would it have been better to format it to a TV series on HBO? Would that have helped the pacing? Plenty of story to tell for 10 seasons, lol.
That would be a sweet thing to do!
Nah I think it fits better into the cinematic format, its no where near the complexity of game of thrones, I would put my money on the fact that a few scenes that helped the pacing were cut by the studio. It would really have only taken one or two scenes at the start of the movie, and maybe a "3 months later" or something.
I think the biggest issue with the pacing is that they cut out forty minutes from the movie. Probably made things feel off.
Yeh you are 100% right, and having seen the film twice now, and Duncan Jones has kinda mentioned it, you can see and feel exactly wherethings were cut.
At this stage, I think audiences can tell what is the studio being fuckheads and what was the intent of the creative team.
Studios need to fuck off, seriously.
Also, they fucking ruined this with the trailers, again, like morons, for NO REASON
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It's totally studios. Hopefully this one does well enough that they stay the fel out of of things next time.
Pretty sure the random guy from Dalaran is Antonidas.
Indeed and if I'm not mistaking from looking at the credits he's played by Durotan's actor Tony Kebbell.
or he could be krassus aka korialstrasz
Its Antonidus
Yeah, that really was Antonidas. And just like Durotan, he's played by Toby Kebbell.
I too wanted a lot more backstory to the Draenei and the Orc land but when I thought about it that in itself is so much to cover and I don't think would've appealed to non players. This story pulled in fans and new viewers and also left it very open to an origin movie or a few prequels including one for the old gods and the Titans. Those stories will be easier to make now that Warcraft has a gamer and no gamer fan base who would be drawn to see how it all started. Great review!
Next movie would be about Marcus the steamy warcraft romance for lovers
Every scene with Orcs is just pure joy. I had gone in with no expectations (only seen the trailer once) and was quite suprised how good it was. Though the pacing and the story changes threw me off a few times.
Archmage of the Kirin Tor (one with the glowing eyes) is Antonidas. Says in the credits :)
Would be nice to get a full review video @Nobbel where you point out all the contrasting lore between game and movie.
I enjoyed the movie for what it is but at the same time am a purist when it comes to lore, the fact they changed so much did impact me fully enjoying the movie.
According to the movie, Thrall cheated in his duel against Garrosh...
He did.
Yes he did cheat, that kinda made him lose him shamanistic powers
That was already established. He did what he had to do in violation of his own beliefs, right down to a matter of honour. Since Shamans gather their strength from their conviction giving their actions credence for the spirits, this action even limited his 𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳 in what is probably a very permanent way. But I truly believe he did what he believed was necessary, even though he lacked conviction in his own rightness. Yes, magic is forbidden from Mak'gora and what Go'el did invalidated the Mak'gora and impugned on his own honour. But he did what was best for Azeroth, just like he always has. And he did so at the expense of his own honour and power.
Just my take on the experience.
DestructoPop He...He could of just killed Garrosh on the spot rather than honor duel him....Just sayin'.
I know it's a risky move to put out a near 3-hour epic into theaters but seeing all the criticism about the pacing of the movie I think the movie could've done better with the extra 40 min scenes.
The glowing mage is antonaidas
Oh Nobbel the old guy with the glowing eyes we saw first time in Dalaran was Antonidas, it says his name in the credits 100% on that info.
The movie was preeeeetyyy good,i give it a 8/10,it had some pacing issues and some stuff that were rushed but it was overall realy enjoable,but i see why critics you need some background knowledge to realy enjoy it.
This movie is now available to watch here => twitter.com/382b288b8e8327261/status/734998784443310080?guid=7a9d2394-22a3-4acc-82a7-49c81b35c89c Short Warcraft Movie Review by Nobbel
+Badshah Alamgir No, do not see the pirated movie! Go out and see it in the movie theater. WE WANT A SEQUEL!
May I have my virus in purple?
i feel about the same way, definitely looking forward to the next one!
Thanks so much Nobbel!! Your review is one of the most honest and fair reviews online so far. It was balanced on both the negatives and positives, you also didn't exaggerate of certain points. This was very sincere and honest, thanks. I just watched the film myself, and I loved it to bits, but I acknowledge there are other opinions out there, and it's awesome you recognize that. :D
You're too hard on yourself Nobbel, you don't need years of training to review movies, you did a good job :D
Indeed. Considering that I wish you'd turn your critical eye a bit more often towards WoW's lore/storytelling itself lately Nobbel. I really appreciated hearing your thoughts about Thrall and the gaining of the doomhammer during the enhancement shaman scenario for instance... From what I can tell it's far from the only iffy writing to be found in Legion so far... *Cough*Voljin!*Cough*
Fun fact, the old guy in Dalaran with glowing eyes is Toby kebell (also plays Durotan)
Maybe the 'Random Guy' is Antonidas?
thats what i was thinking....human with magically glowing eyes.... by the time he teaches Jaina he can grow his beard XD
Yes i thought the same and im sure that was him. When Khadgar went to Dalaran this old man was acting as their leader so it's Antonidas. Shame , Nobbel himself didn't realize who this old man was. :D
Magtheridon Ruler of Outland Shaaaaaaame!!!
Chris Ebbert roflmao
He is Antonidas as it is written in IMDB but WTF. He is ancient in the movie. He will die of old age before he starts teaching Jaina.
The part where medivh talked to garona about a loved one, to me kind of implied a "I'm your father" feel. Could just be me tho
*spoilers*
The scene with Garona and Medivh is supposed to be about the reveal of Garona's actual father, Nobbel. They changed the origin of Garona to having Medivh as her father and an Orc as her mother (notice that she had a(n) (Orc) tusk as a necklace that was from her mother). The reason why is because it makes sense within the context of the actual movie. Considering how they needed to condense the story to make a film as well as the fact that the original story contained rape, you can understand why they did this.
As for Gul'dan and how he destroyed Draenor, it actually was explained in the movie. The scene where Durotan and Orgrim sat on a cliff explained everything you needed to know about how Gul'dan did this, both visually, and through dialogue. Heck, the main motivation as to why Durotan wanted to stop Gul'dan was because he saw how the Fel destroyed the land as well as his people.
The reason why Garona said that at the camp fire scene was because she completely misinterpreted Khadgar looking at her. She is from another world and a completely different culture, which is why she came to that conclusion. It is also a character trait she has since she kept misinterpreting things constantly throughout the movie when interacting with the Humans. It was completely in character for her and the scene did its job in creating a bond between the three characters.
In other words the movie company twisted the story to be more "happy union, kill evil" during the warcraft first war. That is really upsetting considering that many TV series already provide scenes that happened cause of rape. A way to explain that rape is a taboo even in movies, which is sad and upsetting on novel loving people like me, who wanted to see the actual story made in pictures.
+Tytti Lehtomäki most tv series that deal with rape aren't massive fantasy stories with kids as a target audience.
well if Medivh is Garona's father in the movie universe, then Med'an... oh dear
-is gone. Bye, sucker.
Kids aren't the target audience here, lol.
Just wanted to say thank you for letting us know when you get to the spoiler parts of the video - turning the video off now and am waiting to go see it in the movies :)
Let the movie sink some days and think about the story how you would've done it. Also consider that it was heavy cut. E.g. the origin of Garona, why she is half human and not draenei is completely cut. And recap Ben Foster as Medivh, that acting was awesome. And Khadgar in his youth... I imagine him exactly like that from the point of Warlords of Draenor
Don't forget that they're planning on this being a trilogy and I expect them to explain more as the films go more so the second film.
You say you liked it but the majority of your video is about the bad stuff, anything more you liked about the movie?
Bringing warcraft to life on the big screen, visuals, fight scenes. I didn't want to spoil too much of the good stuff, but those are my personal favs.
+Nobbel87 Your review looks a lot like mine first impresion, the brain just can't let go of all the moments that didn't meet the expectations. I suggest you watch it again with a free mind, helps to enjoy it a lot more :D
It didn't ruin the lore in my opinion, and I am a big fan of the original lore. Like Nobbel points out, it would be unfair to expect a movie to contain every lore detail without any changes. The Lord of the Rings didn't adapt the movie 100% from the books either. There are always some changes made, especially to draw non-fans' interest.
+Nacht Warden what are you talking about? Nobble spent approximately less than 2 minutes complimenting, and 5~6 minutes of constant bitching about flaws of the movie. No, this review wasn't about "good and the bad", it was majority critique.
The old unamed Kirin Tor mage was Archmage Antonidas. I doubled checked IMDB after I saw the film and my suspicions were correct. What really surprised me was that he was actually played by Toby Kebbell aswell (Durotan)! xD
I agree with your review in general. I didn't think it was a great movie in terms of the writing, pacing, acting, (I actually may be harsher on those aspects than you are), but i did enjoy it a lot just because of seeing all of the warcraft stuff in movie form.
well the writing wasnt bad.the pacing was eh like he said but it will be a bit better in the directors cut which is like plus 40 minutes
same, but the writing wasnt that bad for me... "i did enjoy it a lot just because of seeing all of the warcraft stuff in movie form." YASSSS the portal gave me chill the most it was so good i felt like i was ready to go on shadow form ! lol
Same... I think people are overpraising it, it's a good movie but fck I don't wanna see it milking it... And I think Duncan Jones was being very arrogant at the end. The movie Totally sets up for a sequel when you don't even know if it'll be a success or not.
Houmadi Aboubacar agree
The whole story of how Guldan got and received his powers would of been a two-three hour movie on it's own. I have been into and read everything I could get my hands on about Warcraft lore and if they tried to fit a quarter of it into a two hour movie it would of never been able to be done. Love the videos keep up the great work!
nobbel what do you think about my idea, wouldnt warcraft tv series be better than movie?? cause warcraft got such a long story that it is impossible to tell all of it in even 8 movies thats just bazzare, it is like telling whole story of vikings in 2 or 3 movies which is impossible to do, and i think tv series would be much much better, they could start from story of sargeras, then go to night elves and explosion of the well and then they could go with draenei and story of kj,archimonde and velen, and then they could go with humans vs orcs. what do you think about this nobbel ?
JJoe ik but im not talking about doable and that stuff im just saying that it would be better :D :D :P lel
A manastorm always pays his debts
I think the subtle development by Duncan played a huge role in character progression, especially for Garona when she was consistently observed in inner turmoil making decisions. Furthermore, the last thing that movie needed was introducing Titans and higher beings and the void lords and the burning legion just to justify a single moment for a single character
Finally came to US yeah? :D I was waiting for the release to do my spoiler heavy review. Most of my knowledge comes from you, Nobbel!
Yeah come to think of it, I don't know why I would think that. Silly me!
According to the "Behind the Dark Portal" Behind the Scenes book, the Kirin Tor mage was Antonidas.
To me, I did feel the emotional pull of my heartstrings at the moment you said it didn't pull yours.
Great review Nobbel. I would give it 8/10, but I can agree with most of your points.
Nobbel, I think that random guy from the Kirin Tor is supposed to be Antonidas
yea its Antonidas played by Toby Kebbell (Durotan)
What people need to understand is that this is NOT world of wacraft but warcraft AND its the FIRST warcraft not the second not the third not any dlc's its the FIRST one not that much background story was in the first one behind all the characters so they did an amazing job, i loved the movie! 10/10
Some reviewers comparing this to battlefield earth........ I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
And that's when you stop taking reviewers seriously.
Nobbel my man... I watched it, love it, and now I am supporting it and your review with my comment... Stay cool and have fun, best wishes from Zagreb (Croatia/Europe)
man i totally agree with you i know and understand what you mean too much story in limited time
respect
Thats the studios decision to shorten the film, not Duncan Jones. Why Hollywood is obsessed with the 2-hour film time limit is beyond me. It ruins epic fantasy movies and the very least detracts from them massively. Here are some examples of great films made worse by cutting the story short - in some cases ruining them; Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, Waterworld and Battle of Five Armies - guess we're pry going to end up adding Warcraft to that list as well.
Having now watched the film (enjoyed the heck out of it), I do have a few comments.
I actually found myself enjoying most of the lore changes, because I actually think it made the story better. There were a few exceptions though (I'll talk about them later in this comment).
Them not explaining the Fel further was fine with me. They made it clear that it needs life to work, but also corrupts. And at the end of the movie, we got a demon possessing Medivh. I believe it is common for fantasy stories that evil, corrupting magic tends to be demonic in origin, so most people unfamiliar with the lore can assume that Gul'Dan made deals with devils (which is pretty much the case).
It explains what people need to know about it - any more and it would be information overload.
The lore changes I was iffy about was primarily that Stormwind City was still standing at the end of the film and they forged the Alliance there - they handled it well though and I do understand why a movie would have to do this, but if the sequel doesn't start with Stormwind being sacked, it could worsen my opinion of the first movie later.
Lothar killing Blackhand instead of Orgrim Doomhammer doing it, while again handled well, did annoy me quite a bit, because it kind of took away from how badass classic Warcraft Orgrim was supposed to be.
But if he kills Lothar in the sequel (like in the lore), that could make up for it a little.
The movie could have allowed me to imagine that the war lasted a few years if not for the fact that Thrall is born at the start of the film and is still a newborn infant at the end, which brings me to a thing about the film that has bugged me since before I watched it.
I was a little annoyed at how woefully ineffectual the non-named Human soldiers were in battle. Outside of the named characters (including Lothar's Son, who handled himself better than I expected), and perhaps a few in the background(?), nearly everyone else lasted less than a second.
I get that the movie has to sell the Horde as this nearly invincible threat and it did explain that the first strike force was made up of the best warriors of the Horde, but I feel it does take away from the feeling of Stormwind being the mightiest of the Human Kingdoms with a well-trained, massive Army (which it was and it held the Horde at bay in something like 10 years before being sacked in the original lore).
I have to grudgingly accept that it is to streamline it for the movie, but it is a bitter pill to swallow.
Still, most of the movie made me happy and I liked how they made Llane's Death much more meaningful and how it forced Garona to kill him, without resorting to a cheap magical mental control thing, and I also liked the confrontation with Medivh at the end. Also, the film made lots of references to missions and story elements of the first game, which made it feel like an excellent adaptation of that game's story.
Nobbel, regards character descriptions, there might be characters which you are not supposed to care. Lothar's son might have been used as a tool to make you care about Lothar. After all Lothar sees his son die. It's not about the son.
Also I don't hear you try to interpret place or time or... how they got to it. And as serious you take the joking part. (regards the Garona's convo with Khadgar and Lothar at the campfire). They are about to meet other orcs, Garona reveals that not all orcs are bad to make Lothar not just attack them. Khadgar on that tries to tell his story, but that is the joke part (as shown by Lothar's reaction on Khadgar's story). I'm not saying your opinion is bad, Nobbel87, but I hope if there is a next time, you'll also try to see the bigger picture of it. The one made of details.
exactly my thoughts
The dwarf popped on the screen and I couldn't help myself but laugh at how realistic they looked and yet so weird
You don't think they're saving the fel explanations for future movies? Like they'll find out things such as about Sargeras and stuff.
Also I think you need to go see it again. That Medivh story about his girlfriend or whatever, was just to get Garona to go and find Lothar and leave him on his own so he could start the incantation uncorrupted. Or that's how I interpreted it on second viewing. It definitely does get better.
But when I look forward, at all the stories they may do in the future, it gets so, so much better than this. Imagine Arthas' story on the big screen. That'd be massive.
Arthas' story would be the most ambitious one, by far. But done right, it would be the best one for certain.
But that is a bit far off, we still need to destroy Stormwind, go to Lordaeron, form the Silver Hand order and beat back the orcs. Then it's Thrall's time to shine, and I can't wait for that.
Quite a few movies in there.
Nobbel that "random guy from the Kirin Tor" was Archmage Antonidas ^^
We dont ask HOW Sauron is so powerfull, is he a god? a demigod? Why is he so mad? Only those who really like the story and nerd into it with all that Tolkien extra scripts knows (and I dont even think everything is explaned there)
My point is: Does the Fel really need be explaned more than that its a deadly magic? On the other points Im kinda with you, the pacing is wierd if you dont know story already. Had the best of times in the theater though! Best nerdgasm in a long time.
#WarcraftWasMyChildhood
You are right man
I agree with this. Also, *spoilers below*
Garona mentions that Gul'dan got his power from someone he called a demon.
hey nobbel. I just found out that you are from the netherlands and this is very grear news to me because so am I. keep up the awesome work and i feel proud that one of my favorite ytbers lives in the same country as me
Warcraft had to be a series, and this part of story at least 10ep. Every comment is on spot!
Yep. And YOUR comment is spot on!
the only complaint i have for the movie is that dalaran isnt supposed to be floating yet. it only starts floating after they move it over crystalsong forest in Wotlk. During the time the movie takes place it should be in the hinterlands.
the only review i trust
The "To Much Story in 1 move" Was literally exactly what i said when i came out from the viewing. Such legendary characters deserve depth, and due to the amount of info they stacked in the movie, there was simply not enough time to give them that depth.
I give it 10 bananas out of 10 mangos
I will be seeing the movie on Friday.. It looks interesting. In truth, I am pretty big on the Warcraft RTS lore, not so much on the MMO. It will be interesting to see what they do with it.
and people complains they changed so much story... You just can't fit everything in 2 hours.
Well said.
Well they should cut bullshit (like Garonas romance etc) and add an hour more and make 3 hours movie instead. It's big mistake trying represent things half and make movie short. Despite these stupidities movie was ok, I enjoyed it.
Well, I'm not a big lore fanatic, but I think the movie was excellent, the only major thing I noticed was a flaoting Dalaran, Dalaran isn't supposed to float at this point in time.
I am sorry nobble i've upvoted nearly ALL of your movies and subscribe but after this i got really really dissapointed... the movie was great, amazing and u want it to be a boring documentary. Sorry friend.. u get downvote and hope you do a better jobb next time.
I am sorry Arthas Menethil, I really like your character but after this I got really really disappointed. I even took the time during this video to inform you that having different opinions about things is great, but you still failed to grasp that concept. Sorry friend...u get a downvote and I hope you'll do a better job at leaving a comment next time.
what kind of comment is that? it's his opinion, not yours. the world would be really boring if we all had the same opinions. how can you even say that he did a bad job, the video is good and it's what people asked for.
Remind me, at what point did Nobbel say he wanted a documentary?
@nobbel87 as a fan of the game i loved, and i was like this is 9/10, but a 7/10 from a fan? that even makes videos about lore, i really dont get it
I think that nobel87 gave that mark in overall criteria. You know: Story, picture, music, acting, impression, fun, boringness, etc..
I'm a huge fan of the Wow and its LORE, but my grades were very much the same. And I agree with Nobbel - they were trying hard to give us a lot of info in a realy short time. That made viewer a bit confused from time to time.
My gf and a friend for example, they both play the game and did not understand all of it and I had to explain a thing or two. I know the old sotry because I was playing wc1 and wc2 and wc3 before wow.
But overall.. I think Nobbel87 made some good points. After all.... its just an opinion video...
@Nobbel87 - keep the videos coming!
I felt the pacing was too awkard but apparently they had to cut about 40mins from time constraint so hopefully is therre's going to be a full length director's cut.
I enjoyed the film. I did feel that the human characters were more underdeveloped then the orcs though. But I think that's because for people who don't know about Warcraft, will usually associate orcs as being bad guys. So it was good they showed that not all the orcs were bad and that you can relate to them.
When you talk about the origin of how the orcs became green. That's even more exposition in a film that's already full of it. There's so much lore that you can't fit it all into one film, so maybe it will be shown in a later one.
I was expecting it to be full Blizzard animation and etc, not fake orcs and real humans.
That would take ages.
Would cost a ridiculous amount
That's an absurdly unrealistic expectation.
Shits expensive yo
Thank you!!!!! This touches perfectly on all aspects of the movie. A big part with video games is how we PERSONALLY perceive them mentally, so of course character playout is gonna be weird for all of us. I thought they did the characters justice, but like you said, they weren't shining as I had imagined them. Great movie overall though, incredibly beautiful. Keep up the videos!! You're one of the best.
I really hate this movie, they ruined the characters and story so much. Nobbel you are giving it a pass because you "expected it" but are you really being honest there. I mean-
Gul'Dan "leading" the Horde instead pulling strings from behind the shadows.
Garona having a free will and just faking the king of Stormwind's death (With her terrible romance story)
Gul'Dan only bringing a part of the Horde into Azeroth for the invasion (Why?)
Stormwind never falling, yet the Alliance forming anyway.
Thrall being sent down a river in a cringy moses scene instead of his parents being murdered and him being left alone on the ground.
Just generic "Fel" being "Ooooh, super evil" instead there being a Burning Legion.
Ogrim never killing Blackhand.
This movie made the same exact mistake nearly all previous video game movie adaptations have made, the same exact mistake that earned them their bad rep. *Messing* *with* *the* *source* *material* . The characters, the story, the entire world has been simplified, altered, watered-down, *ruined*. And it really pisses me off that in the future all the critics and people previously unfamiliar with Warcraft are going to think of this abomination of a movie and storyline as "Warcraft".
0/10
Haven't seen it yet but I expected something like this to happen. The movie could've gone in either of 2 directions. 1. Too complicated for people unfamiliar with Warcraft. 2. Too simplified/watered-down for the fans. I'll try to watch it as an independent story and try to not think too much about all the changes.
1. Gul'dan leading the Horde makes complete sense. The Warchief as we know it was established by Orgrim. Blackhand's warchief was quite literally just a chief of war.
2. That is a much, much better alternative to fucking mindcontrol, which is the cheapest trick in the book.
3. Gul'dan always only brought in a part of the Horde. That's why Grommash originally didn't participate in the First War.
4. Stormwind falling vs the king falling really doesn't make any difference. Also, Stormwind still has time to fall.
5. His parents are still murdered. The only difference here is that it actually makes sense for Thrall to fucking survive.
6. There's still a Burning Legion. But guess what, they didn't have time to explain all that fucking shit.
7. That's really up to preference. They can still do something with Orgrim.
Honestly, you're just really fucking salty.
Thank you! Finally someone who agrees with me! I told the exact same thing for the people but all the time i got backlash for daring to say this. The plot is so fucked up and watered down compared to the original. I'm so upset because of this.
*****(Hope you have time to read all of this.)
1. No, Gul'Dan leading the Horde *doesn't* make any sense, he is not a leader type, he always just wanted more power over anything else which is why he preferred to stay in the shadows so he can betray the Horde if it means earning more power for himself. Being the big leader dude would just put a lot of responsibly on himself.
Ogrim didn't establish the Warchief as we know him, Orc clans before they all joined up had Warchiefs with just as much power over their individual people as today's Horde Warchief. Blackhand in the story was *supposed* to be the Warchief and all the Orcs knew him as the big leader when in truth it was Gul'Dan who had the real power and control and he used Blackhand as a puppet. That's why Ogrim killing him was a big deal. It was an *interesting* story arc that they completely fucked up in the movie by just making Gul'Dan the big evil dude and Blackhand his underling. It's terrible.
2. No, it's not, not at all, you are terrible at judging stories. Garona faking the death of the king to go back to the Horde on her own will is a much worse and much more straight forward, simple story than her *thinking* she has free will, and everyone thinking she has free will only for Gul'Dan's spell to take effect and her killing her allies despite what everyone thought. That would have been a MUCH better twist and more emotional. It would have also portrayed Gul'Dan as a much better villain who can actually do some fucking planning.
3. Yes, but the amount of Orcs he brought in was enough to destroy Stormwind instead of having to retreat to summon more Orcs. In the movie the Orcs never get anywhere because they have to retreat for more troops.
4. What? It makes an *ENORMOUS* difference, the king faking his fucking death and the entire goddamn city being burned to the ground are two very different things. And while the city could still technically fall they already missed the right chance to do that and ruined the pacing of the story. In the original story the Orcs eventually overwhelmed the Humans + Garona killing the king against her own will which shocked everyone leading to them destroying the city. One of the biggest bastions of humanity destroyed because of this new threat. THAT was the time the other races decided to form the grand alliance to fight back the Horde. And even that almost failed to stop them. In this garbage movie that story is already ruined. The grand alliance should now easily be able to move their troops south against Orcs without any enslaved red dragons, forest trolls or Ogres and they should not be able to lose the city. Making it a very boring conflict.
5. It always made sense for him to survive. The Human lord (forgot his name now) finds him.
6. You don't know that, nor does it matter. In THIS movie they never mentioned the Burning Legion, which makes the story in THIS movie terrible. If they add it the second (Even thought this one failed so hard I doubt there will be a sequel) great. But they might also not add the Burning Legion at all.
7. No it's not something up to preference or debate, a very big moment in Ogrim's story if not the MOST important is when he killed Blackhand, who, again, everyone saw as the big leader, and then proceeding to annihilate the shadow council and almost kill Gul'Dan was it not for his promise of Ogre Magi and Death Knights. That's what marked him as the badass we all know. The only way he could still pull this off is if he killed Gul'Dan instead, but obviously he can't do that because that would mean no Ogre Magi and no Death Knights and it would just end the Gul'Dan storyline.
I think you're just really terrible at reviewing movies and storylines.
What do you mean by... Garona faking the death of the king?
*spoilers below*
Garona did kill the king.
And this is a much more intelligent way of doing things.
I don't understand why you are so upset about these changes considering blizzard themselves retcon things with every single expansion. I'm a lot more pissed off about those changes, rather than the movie which we all know is a separate entity.
The Burning Legion is not mentioned by name in this movie (which is a good thing), but if you were paying attention you would've noticed Garona saying that Gul'dan got his power from his master, a demon.
You need to understand that telling the story in 2 hours, in the format of a movie, begs for some changes. I was also afraid that it would be watered-down, but I found it to be far from that.
No hate towards you, it's fine to have different opinions.
The music, the special effects, the orc motion capture, the fight scenes and several Easter eggs. That's the thing I liked about this movie. I'd give it an 8 / 10 and hope the sequel will be even better.
This movie was perfect, they nailed the story and characters. Yes it felt a bit jumpy but as you said it's a lot of story to get through so they are forgiven, only gripe I have is that they didn't explain who the Draenei are but apart from that the movie is perfect I give it 10/10
You delivered Nobbel. Thanks.
Major Twist: Lothas Son was actually Leeroy Jenkins! He will be resurected when it comes to the UBRS in future movies ;-)
IMO a great review, and it seems my opinion is pretty much the same as yours. I went in with low expectations and only hoping to see the Warcraft world rendered beautifully in the cinema, so the pacing and characterization shortcomings didn't affect my enjoyment of the movie at all. I came out of the cinema with a huge smile on my face and i think most fans who go in with appropriate expectations will do the same :) It is said that Duncan Jones was forced to cut 40 minutes of the movie by Universal, so hopefully a lot of the pacing issues will be solved if the movie does well and he gets to do a directors cut :)
I'm not expecting the Citizen Kane of video games movies but I'm relieved to hear so many warcraft fans enjoy the film for what it is. I hope it does well cause I'd love to see more.
When it Medivh talked about the women he fell in love with and left, it seemed to me like it was being implied that this was Garona's mother and he was her father. He did say that his lover was of a different people and that he had gone very far to meet her. To me he made it sound like he traveled to another planet. I figured this was also meant to explain how Medivh was corrupted by Fel in the first place, as it would've happened when he visited Draenor and fell in love with that woman. I know that's nothing like the lore of the games and that if I am right they should've made it WAY clearer, but this is what I felt they were implying, and I think it makes the story better.
Random Glowing Eyes Guy from Dalaran is supposed to be Antonidas.
If you look very closely, you can see that it's actually Toby Kebell in Old Man Make-Up, and he's credited as Durotan and Antonidas on IMDB.
The queen name is Taria, not Tiffin) Tiffin was Varian's wife.
I think the pacing issues are caused by the removal of those extra 40m. that must have hurt the movie.
Looks like it's Kingdom of Heaven all over again..
Hi Nobbel! A very good assessment, as I imagined! I just wanted to put out an edit, that Tiffin is Varian's (future) wife, not his mother. His mother's name I think was Taria, if I am reading things correctly? That could just be confusing for future reference. Now that I have just seen the movie tonight, I went straight to watch this. Glad I did! Thanks, Loremaster!
I think you catched my opinion of the movie spot on!
I hope the extended edition of the movie will explain a little more of the lore and the movie will feel more "complete".
Garona's performance was actually pretty good. I was impressed.
She was good. The romance, not so much, but the rest was good.
There is actually a hint in the movie about where Gul'dan got his Fel magic. When Medivh appears in Garona's cell he asks who lead Gul'dan to this world and Garona says, "Gul'dan called him a Demon." It wasn't explained more than that but a hint at least.
Yeah, people have such short memories. It's fine though. I hope we get a sequel.
Considering how the film is called Warcraft - The Beginning, I'm sure we're gonna get a sequel :) Especially how the movie ended with Thrall being found by humans, it just gives you the feeling of "this isn't over".
Someone In The Crowd Yes obviously, the movie only showed the very beginning of the first war. There alot more events that will take place in the first war.
PiercingStroke Yes. Obviously.
I enjoyed the movie, but I agree, the pacing was really bad. It felt rushed and I wish there were some indications of time passing, like the trees changing, or showing day and night pass, nothing major, just something to give you a hint at how much time has passed. Also, the part where Llane tells Garona she has to kill him to ensure the peace, or at least the possibility of it, between the orcs and humans was a bit odd to me. How could her "betrayal" bring peace? Only the sequel can tell. I loved Durotan and Draka, they were amazing, I was so damn sad when they died. I wonder what happened with Orgrim.
When Lothar said "well that was a teary moment," I immediately thought of Ragnar Lothbrok. Totally something he'd say in that moment.
It's so weird to think that the movie has not yet premiered in the states and many other places yet when i myself watched it on May 26th. I know Nobbel doesn't live in the states though, but this review just made me think about it
Trying to explain how the lore differs is such a big job. I would like to see your feelings on how the remaining lore would fit into sequels, if we get them.
I would love to see Paladins vs Death Knights in the next movie. With Gul'dan raising the dead and creating Death Knights, with the Paladins arriving from the north, with a epic battle between Paladins with Captain America style shields, pillars of fire and at least one Paladin get hurt, so they have to bubble hearth.
the like/dislike ratio goes to show what quality your audience really is. Good job for making such an amazing community :)