If the glideslope is available and you are not shooting a localizer only approach, you don’t need those fixes. ATC will put you at the intercept altitude and you are to maintain that altitude until established inbound. If it is a localizer approach (GS out), then yes you need those fixes. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be just look at the mileage on the chart and on your display and fly the assigned altitude until established. This is of course if this unit will capture and fly glideslope after established?
No. You DO need those fixes no matter GS out or not. The fixes outside the FAF often are often there to keep inside Class-B, for terrain clearance, or for other airspace issues such as airports that may be underneath the final approach course. We've had crews busted due to simply flying the glideslope outside the FAF, which did NOT guarantee minimum published alt's for fixes outside the FAF/GS intercept. Many, if not even most airports have ILS's with multiple step downs outside the FAF. Keep those fixes in view and don't rely on the GS to keep you safe outside the FAF, unless you KNOW it will work.
Thank you guys for such an interresting tip. Really like your casual yet very informative style in your vids! Keep up the good work. Greetings from France!
Thank you so much for these videos! One item you missed was you need to also be cleared for the approach before you can start deviating from your last assigned altitude.
What about going to the flight plan, turn on cursor, highlight the desired waypoint and press Direct, Enter, Enter. Isn’t that quicker and more efficient than Menu, Activate Leg, etc.?
this video was helpful. the other day was on vectors(G430), but was a assigned a waypoint on approach to capture the localizer. loading the entire approach and activating the leg made it so much easier. what is the GTN650 equivalent of this? Is it the "activate" or "activate leg" button?
Is this problem 'solved' in the GTN 650 (software v6.00 and above) Vectors-To-Final functionality - where it shows all the waypoints? This is what the GTN 650 Pilot Guide (section 6.10) says "In software v6.00 and later, all waypoints along the final approach course, including waypoints before the FAF, are included in the flight plan and the final approach course to the FAF is activated."
Can you add a workflow for the ils too . Ie start gps destination - nav 3 pg get Atis freq ent get Atis the. Nav page approach ent flip up notify approach request with Atis then approach -“fly hdg “ for for approach . Maintain altitude - to course - gps still on so select approach proc cursur turn to ils enter - cursor to fix ie nibby ent . Then direct direct ent
LMAO: Pretty sure you don’t have a “flight deck” in that Cirrus! Haha. Nice video though. Good info actually. It’s exactly how the real “flight deck” boys would load it. Other reasons to support your method is to be ready to easily comply with ATC assigned speed constraints. It’s very common for ATC to give vectors to final but then throw a speed assignment at the tail end of the clearance. These assignments are almost always based off the outer fixes. If you load the full approach you can easily see the waypoints necessary to comply with the speed assignment. If you simply load the “vectors” approach you would not have the needed info to comply with the speed clearance. Of course you could use DME or do the dreadful “flight deck” math. I’m sorry, I just can’t stop laughing about that:)
If the glideslope is available and you are not shooting a localizer only approach, you don’t need those fixes. ATC will put you at the intercept altitude and you are to maintain that altitude until established inbound. If it is a localizer approach (GS out), then yes you need those fixes. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be just look at the mileage on the chart and on your display and fly the assigned altitude until established. This is of course if this unit will capture and fly glideslope after established?
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If the glideslope is available and you are not shooting a localizer only approach, you don’t need those fixes. ATC will put you at the intercept altitude and you are to maintain that altitude until established inbound. If it is a localizer approach (GS out), then yes you need those fixes. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be just look at the mileage on the chart and on your display and fly the assigned altitude until established. This is of course if this unit will capture and fly glideslope after established?
No. You DO need those fixes no matter GS out or not. The fixes outside the FAF often are often there to keep inside Class-B, for terrain clearance, or for other airspace issues such as airports that may be underneath the final approach course. We've had crews busted due to simply flying the glideslope outside the FAF, which did NOT guarantee minimum published alt's for fixes outside the FAF/GS intercept. Many, if not even most airports have ILS's with multiple step downs outside the FAF. Keep those fixes in view and don't rely on the GS to keep you safe outside the FAF, unless you KNOW it will work.
Thank you guys for such an interresting tip. Really like your casual yet very informative style in your vids! Keep up the good work. Greetings from France!
This was EXTREMELY useful.
Thank you so much for these videos! One item you missed was you need to also be cleared for the approach before you can start deviating from your last assigned altitude.
Great video! Thank you! Greetings from Brazil!
Awesome! It was great seeing you at Threshold again, Clear Skies.
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Very nicely done and well explained!
- Martin
Love the style and attitude. This works for me. Greetings from your newest subscriber
Excellent Video!
Best explanation ever
Great video, really helpful.
I use garmin g3x. Does this vectors to final issue still exist on current garmin systems?
What about going to the flight plan, turn on cursor, highlight the desired waypoint and press Direct, Enter, Enter. Isn’t that quicker and more efficient than Menu, Activate Leg, etc.?
Great info! Thanks a ton!
Awesome video. Agree with comments below. Thank you!
Thank you!! Very helpful
this video was helpful. the other day was on vectors(G430), but was a assigned a waypoint on approach to capture the localizer. loading the entire approach and activating the leg made it so much easier. what is the GTN650 equivalent of this? Is it the "activate" or "activate leg" button?
Excellent content and delivery!
Is this problem 'solved' in the GTN 650 (software v6.00 and above) Vectors-To-Final functionality - where it shows all the waypoints? This is what the GTN 650 Pilot Guide (section 6.10) says "In software v6.00 and later, all waypoints along the final approach
course, including waypoints before the FAF, are included in the flight plan and the final approach course to the FAF is activated."
We have so few VOR approaches in Australia and no WAAS approach system yet in place.......... all RNAV but not autopilot controlled
Great 👍
When on the ILS portion it was still in gps. When do you select VOR/LOC for the ILS?
Excellent
Could you also set an OBS inbound to the waypoint??
Thanks, Buddy.
Thanks .. I clearly didn't realize that
why don't they change the software to leave intermediate fixes when vectors to final is activated.
Nice one! Thanks.
Can you add a workflow for the ils too . Ie start gps destination - nav 3 pg get Atis freq ent get Atis the. Nav page approach ent flip up notify approach request with Atis then approach -“fly hdg “ for for approach . Maintain altitude - to course - gps still on so select approach proc cursur turn to ils enter - cursor to fix ie nibby ent . Then direct direct ent
LMAO: Pretty sure you don’t have a “flight deck” in that Cirrus! Haha. Nice video though. Good info actually. It’s exactly how the real “flight deck” boys would load it. Other reasons to support your method is to be ready to easily comply with ATC assigned speed constraints. It’s very common for ATC to give vectors to final but then throw a speed assignment at the tail end of the clearance. These assignments are almost always based off the outer fixes. If you load the full approach you can easily see the waypoints necessary to comply with the speed assignment. If you simply load the “vectors” approach you would not have the needed info to comply with the speed clearance. Of course you could use DME or do the dreadful “flight deck” math. I’m sorry, I just can’t stop laughing about that:)
I get the hint, you don't like lawyers. I bet you voted for Trump.
If the glideslope is available and you are not shooting a localizer only approach, you don’t need those fixes. ATC will put you at the intercept altitude and you are to maintain that altitude until established inbound. If it is a localizer approach (GS out), then yes you need those fixes. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be just look at the mileage on the chart and on your display and fly the assigned altitude until established. This is of course if this unit will capture and fly glideslope after established?