It really is a memorably evocative scene - Aragorn and the Grey Company successfully completing their mission - making a triumphant appearance at the Battle of Pelennor Fields - quality reading!
Yet another great video Matt, kudos! It's so fascinating how no character, nor faction, is introduced in vain in Tolkien's tales. Everyone has a part to play, and every story, character and faction intertwines with each other in such a way that blows the mind to think one man came up with it. If only Tolkien had been a Dúnedain and had lived for another century!
Thanks, Marti! Great point about Tolkien's characters - the connections between them are impossibly complex. How? How did he do it? Such an impressive feat.
This episode completely chokes me up everytime I watch it. Every damned time. This is my favorite episode of all of them.might be the best on all of RUclips.
I would even have preferred the Hobbit films to show a completely out-of-context Grey Company montage over the Alfrid scenes! "Why did we just cut from Smaug to the Paths of the Dead? Oh well, at least it's not Alfrid."
honestly the arrival of the Rohiirim is probably imo the best scene in cinematic history. I get out of my chair and hyped to the max. Just so well done. I dont care that it doesnt follow the book, its just amazing haha. Soon as that horn blows im pumped!
Also... I like that Arwen has inherited some of the crafting skill of the Noldor.... she makes things too. I hope she learned a whole lot more from Galadriel as she spent time with her grandmother. (Hard to think of Galadriel as a grandmother...lol). I wonder if Arwen could make a wizard's staff... or catch the light of Earendil....
I have so many issues with Jackson's films. I am like an old man telling some kids to get off my lawn. The omission of Aragorn's lifelong dedication to the restoration of his kingdom and the dedication of these heroes in the Grey Company to the protection of the weak and the restoration of the kingdom is the most grievous.
I agree that the theme of unifying the North and South was dropped by Jackson in favor of a simpler "gondor's lost king" theme. It plays, but I would have enjoyed seeing that story arc as well. Quietly leaving your lawn...
Well, I always admit that Jackson's task was impossible. He made a true masterpiece of cinematic art. But the choices he made, not trusting the themes of the books, seem poor ones to me. Here is your ball kid. Go play with it. But it is just not as fun for me.
I think peter jackson could have found a way to have his cake and eat it too: He could have included elrond's sons as "extras" standing next to him but also without taking up any extra screen time or causing any sort of distraction to the plot. Likewise, the Dunedain could have been shown in the background fighting in Gondor or the Black Gate
Greetings from Transylvania! What are the chances you could do a vid similar to the Numenorean tech one but for architectural styles and guidelines, possibly even how with their masonry techniques they managed to built such tall towers - structural engineer here and would love to render realistic numenorean structures etc maybe even take on the challenge of finding a way to make it structurally sound for reality. P.S. - watched all your LOTR vids, amazing job with them (this one included)! Please keep making them, they are so detail oriented and very lore clarifying :)
Hail to thee in Transylvania from here in Chicago - and thanks so much for the kind words! Your idea sounds awesome - adding it to the topic list! I'll research Tolkien's notes on structural design.
@@DorkLords Well, thing is that there are some descriptions for instance in the unfinished tales about the gates to Gondolin, and other such instances - but to my knowledge less about technology to actually build it. One can extrapolate from the fact that numenoreans used hallowed steel sections for bows that they had knowhow of material mechanics and about moment of inertia for instance.
A new viewer here. What a magnificent voice. I do hope you make your living from it. You should look into narrating audiobooks or videos for the blind. Best to you. Kris
Thanks so much for the kind words, Kris! I was indeed involved in a program reading for the blind when I lived in Kansas City. These days I perform the occasional voice over, and I perform onstage, here in Chicago.
Absolutely rapt ! I love to hear a good telling. I hope you visit schools and do story time because you really know your stuff. I think middle school ages would be greatly entertained and brought near the masterpiece of Middle Earth if you showed up with a slide show like this! (They still do slide shows, don't they?) These days, the younger folk could use Tolkien's tales of fearless heroism and perseverance. I'm still making my way through your videos as I can. Great job.
Thanks so much, Gigi! I'd love reading for a classroom! The closest I've come is that I was a volunteer for a service that read books and periodicals for people with visual impairments.
@@DorkLords Your local library would probably love to have you do a story time. They advertise it and you would likely have a good audience if you put your TY credentials in the notice. Everyone loves a celebrity you know. And with all the Amazon and anime movie coming up, you would get a wide age group.
Matt love these vids. I'm looking to find a Tolkien collection to read. But I take issue with Jackson's take on the Grey Company mainly because the 9 are all dead lords of some sentience. I was somewhat thinking that if this were DD the 9 would have assumed control of a powerful and deadly army which men couldn't cope with. In your court, sir. Also if I wanted not just the 4 books and the Silmarillion what else to add.
I think the Nazguls' answer to the Men of Dunharrow might be the barrow-wights. The Witch-King sent these spirits to haunt the graves of the Dunedain. Though they don't seem as effective as the Oathbreakers. As for additional books, I'd suggest Unfinished Tales and the Children of Hurin. A brand new book, The Nature of Middle-Earth, will be dropping in a couple of months. And if you want the ultimate compendium, get the multi-volume History of Middle-Earth - pricey but chock full of info.
@@DorkLords I watched the trailer and it is at this url www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=trailer+for+the+simirillian#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e07800e6,vid:C_Aa8APoJ_4,st:0 I guess this is a game? Starcraft is a gaming deign firm? Damn I'm sad.
This video is a an oldie now, but a classic. Loved it Matt! Curious… in your head-canon, do you consider the Shades of the Mountain to be unofficial members of the “Grey Company”? Or merely the Dunedain, Elrond’s Sons & the Great Hunters?
Thanks so much, DeadlyKnight! Intriguing question - though I could see an argument for it, I don't think of the Oathbreakers as members of the Grey Company. We first hear of the Grey Company in TT in a poem from Galadriel: “Where now are the Dúnedain, Elessar, Elessar? Why do thy kinsfolk wander afar? Near is the hour when the Lost should come forth, And the Grey Company ride from the North. But dark is the path appointed for thee: The Dead watch the road that leads to the Sea.” The poem seems to separate the Grey Company from the Oathbreakers. And it mentions the Grey Company riding from the North.
Hey Matt! Especially great reading section in this video. Forgive me if you said in the video and I missed it but are the Grey Company just the ones that went with Aragon on the journey or are they the complete complement of remaining rangers in the north? Did the people's in the north know of their protector's presence or were they more like a Section 31? I think its clear that few, if any, hobbits knew they were protecting the borders but that's not surprising. Did the other people in the Arnor towns and cities know them and their origin beyond just calling them "rangers"?
Hi Justin! I'm glad you enjoyed the reading. To answer thine questions: the Grey Company are just the ones that went with Aragorn - there were other dunedain up north; ("I have thirty with me,’ said Halbarad. ‘That is all of our kindred that could be gathered in haste.") The locals knew of the existence of rangers, but generally didn't trust them, and didn't know their history. Here's a quote about how Bree viewed the rangers: “But in the wild lands beyond Bree there were mysterious wanderers. The Bree-folk called them Rangers, and knew nothing of their origin. They were taller and darker than the Men of Bree and were believed to have strange powers of sight and hearing, and to understand the languages of beasts and birds. They roamed at will southwards, and eastwards even as far as the Misty Mountains; but they were now few and rarely seen. When they appeared they brought news from afar, and told strange forgotten tales which were eagerly listened to; but the Bree-folk did not make friends of them.”
@@DorkLords Sorry didn't get the YT notification, thanks so much for clearing that up, your ability and willingness to come up with quotes is astounding. I guess if their Numy blood made them that much taller (wasn't obvious in the movies, I could swear Boremir/Sean Bean was taller than Aragorn), it would be difficult to hide amongst the populace. Its strange they weren't trusted though since all their stories included them presumably doing heroic deeds or taking on strange monsters or orcs.
Justin Parker Great point - "yeah, every time I see them, they're doing something noble or heroic - nope, don't trust 'em." Maybe it's fear of the unknown?; perhaps it's because the locals saw the rangers as rejecting their way of life, preferring life in the remote forests to life in town?
Remember how Barliman butterbur the landlord from the inn of the prancing pony spoke about strider when frodo asked who he was ? They weren't trusted because the people of Bree know nothing about orcs trolls balrogs ringwraiths and dark lords or about Sauron and the lands of Mordor. the dunedain protect there borders yet they know it not. Curtousy of the rangers they live a sheltered life free of the strike and troubles of middle earth, so it's only natural that the men of the dunedain who've had dealings with orcs and trolls and who have knowledge of elven lords and dwarven kingdoms and dark lords and tje nazguul used to terrorise the lands of eriador. Plus they are more in tune with nature living in the wild for lengthy periods and being Descendants of the men of the west who are not normal men and many of them have had dealings and training from the elves of rivendell and the elves from mirkwood. So to the farmerfolk of Bree they would seem odd folk indeed.
Methinks Peter Jackson brought the elves to Helms Deep to showcase the common struggle of the elves and humans. But a few Dunedain on those battlements couldn't have hurt...
Sorry for so many comments.... it dawns on me that Elrond's sons could have taken the shards of Narsil to Lorien for their grandmother.... a master of craft.... to re-forge herself... and then she returned it with them. I know it probably isn't the way things went as it is always said that it was reforged in Rivendell.... but it is fun to think about. Too many overlook the skill of Galadriel.... and I guess I'd like to see her get more acclaim.
No worries! Somehow, your comments didn't reach my phone, and I'm only now seeing them on my desktop. I'm currently working on part 2 of my Galadriel series, and at some point I'll be addressing her tech. She is bedecked with numerous items of power - her ring, the elfstone, the phial of Galadriel, the Mirror of Galadriel...
@@DorkLords - and Gandalf the White's new staff after he was sent back. While the book does say that the sword was reforged in Rivendell... I find myself thinking that when the scouts went out after the Council of Elrond... I believe it was Elrond's sons who went to Lorien... and I wouldn't put it past them to have taken the sword to Galadriel to reforge it. I mean.... who else really had the craftsmanship at that point other than Galadriel? Maybe Glorfindel... Erestor... Gildor... and then it dawns on me that Elrond was raised by a son of Feanor.... so perhaps he learned that Noldoran skill as a young man directly from one of Feanor's sons.... Maglor? Who knows? Surely they continued to teach the trade to the younger elves.... I just doubt anyone could have done as good a job as Galadriel.... so I have to wonder if it was reforged while Aragorn was in Rivendell... or did it take a quick trip with Elrond's sons to Lorien and back? ... Who would YOU want to reforge the sword?
@@tylerbarrett6652 I like your "what if" scenario, Tyler - though I do think there could have been some quality elven smiths at Rivendell. One possibility would be a Noldor who was one of the Gwaith i Mirdain under Celebrimbor at Eregion - those elves could definitely reforge a sword. And though Sauron crushed Eregion, some of Eregion's elves escaped with Elrond to Rivendell: “In black anger he turned back to battle; and bearing as a banner Celebrimbor’s body hung upon a pole, shot through with Orc-arrows, he turned upon the forces of Elrond. Elrond had gathered such few of the Elves of Eregion as had escaped, but he had no force to withstand the onset.”
@@MrChickennugget360 - Yeah... I caught that in my latest re-reading. Sometimes I wonder who might still have had this knowledge other than Galadriel and Glorfindel... but we learn so little about others who don't play a major role in the epic and so aren't mentioned.
Dale Pride Glad you enjoyed the video, Dale! Speaking of which, i think you might be talking about the Battle of Dale. It is referenced in the Appendices, and you're not the first person to request a video about it - it's on the list!
@@DorkLords Matt I challenge you to come up with certain history and law .. obviously legally perhaps talking the first few hundreds of years in Khazad-Dum perhaps the destruction of Beleriand.
@@charlesspurlock119 He is indeed! Though the family tree from Elros to Aragorn goes thru many many generations, while Elrond to Arwen is a short straight line.
@@DorkLords Apologies for breaking the thread but I have a request for a video if you think it’s worthy of one. The topic is ‘The Winter of Thingol.’ When Beren and Luthien completed their quest and returned to live as mortal man and woman, Luthien visited Thingol to heal him. This is an obscure reference and I don’t understand what Tolkien is referring to. Thanks!
@@phinehaselohim7111 I like it! That is indeed a mysterious quote. I wonder if it's suggesting Thingol was sad because he missed his daughter? And her return lifted his spirits? “and Lúthien went to Menegroth and healed the winter of Thingol with the touch of her hand.”
We're told the sword was reforged by "elven smiths." It does sound like the kind of job you'd entrust to a name smith - and that elf would forever be associated with Anduril. I guess the elves were thinking, "just another broken sword." :)
@@DorkLords Are you looking forward to Amazon's 2nd age TV series. The budget they're investing is very impressive. I think they will do a good job personally. I'm also looking forward to wheel of time. That was a hard read it took me 10 years to read that series.
@@johnashton6241 i am indeed looking forward to the Amazon series! Here is my theory video for the series:: ruclips.net/video/P2RykRutHI4/видео.html And like you, it took me a while to complete the Wheel of Time as well - partially because I was waiting for Jordan's protege to finish it. I really enjoyed the first few books, but I was less enthused with the 2nd half of the series.
Yeah.... i think it was a dismal mistake to leave the grey company out of the film.... and even worse to replace them with a company of elves who join the battle of the Hornburg. As you read, 30 were all they could gather in haste of the Dunedain Rangers..... (So how many are there in total?) I'm constantly harping on the numbers.... the writing sounds like they've dwindled to fewer than 10.... and there is so much focus on the leaders that we miss the sheer numbers of the members of the companies/clans/famillies/tribes etc. I have to constantly remind myself that there were many many more than who we learn about.
quite late for a reply; but probably a lot. As a tribal member myself, these type of families/clans often produce a lot of numbers and lose only a few in wars/small skirmishes through unconventional warfare which the Dunedain is good at. So, considering that the dunedains started their nomadic lives for quite a long time now, there are probably a lot of them.
This is my favorite part of all the books. Still gives me chills when I read it. I was so disappointed that it wasn’t in movie.
It really is a memorably evocative scene - Aragorn and the Grey Company successfully completing their mission - making a triumphant appearance at the Battle of Pelennor Fields - quality reading!
Sunday morning, sitting on the couch, eating ice cream and watching this wonderful video. Just perfect!
That sounds heavenly. Happy to contribute to your perfect morning!
I like your enthusiasm for the subject.
Many thanks for the kind words, Joe!
Yet another great video Matt, kudos! It's so fascinating how no character, nor faction, is introduced in vain in Tolkien's tales. Everyone has a part to play, and every story, character and faction intertwines with each other in such a way that blows the mind to think one man came up with it. If only Tolkien had been a Dúnedain and had lived for another century!
Thanks, Marti! Great point about Tolkien's characters - the connections between them are impossibly complex. How? How did he do it? Such an impressive feat.
This episode completely chokes me up everytime I watch it. Every damned time. This is my favorite episode of all of them.might be the best on all of RUclips.
Wow - you just made my day, Carl! I'm thrilled that this video made such an impression.
Nice work dude thanks
I always end up at this video when I need the inspiration to paint my Grey Company models for the LotR tabletop miniatures game.
I love that, Sam! That puts a smile on my face - best of luck with the miniature painting!
Your explanation and story telling were awesome! Thank You!
Thanks so much for the kind words! I really appreciate it.
The Dunedain accompanying Aragorn through the Paths of the Dead!
Another scene I would have MUCH rather seen instead of ALFRED in the Hobbit films.
I would even have preferred the Hobbit films to show a completely out-of-context Grey Company montage over the Alfrid scenes! "Why did we just cut from Smaug to the Paths of the Dead? Oh well, at least it's not Alfrid."
Love your enthusiasm dude
Thanks so much for the kind words!
honestly the arrival of the Rohiirim is probably imo the best scene in cinematic history. I get out of my chair and hyped to the max. Just so well done. I dont care that it doesnt follow the book, its just amazing haha. Soon as that horn blows im pumped!
Agreed! It really puts you into the moment - like you're one of the rohirrim preparing to charge.
These are really good.
This channel will go far.
Cheers!
Thanks for the kind words!
Amazing video
Thanks so much for the kind words, Katie!
Also... I like that Arwen has inherited some of the crafting skill of the Noldor.... she makes things too. I hope she learned a whole lot more from Galadriel as she spent time with her grandmother. (Hard to think of Galadriel as a grandmother...lol). I wonder if Arwen could make a wizard's staff... or catch the light of Earendil....
Granny Galadriel! :) I hadn't thought of Arwen in the context of the Noldor - good point!
The 36 warriors that lead the army of the dead. 32 Dunedain 3 elves and a dwarf
When you put it like that, it sounds pretty metal.
I have so many issues with Jackson's films. I am like an old man telling some kids to get off my lawn. The omission of Aragorn's lifelong dedication to the restoration of his kingdom and the dedication of these heroes in the Grey Company to the protection of the weak and the restoration of the kingdom is the most grievous.
I agree that the theme of unifying the North and South was dropped by Jackson in favor of a simpler "gondor's lost king" theme. It plays, but I would have enjoyed seeing that story arc as well. Quietly leaving your lawn...
Well, I always admit that Jackson's task was impossible. He made a true masterpiece of cinematic art. But the choices he made, not trusting the themes of the books, seem poor ones to me. Here is your ball kid. Go play with it. But it is just not as fun for me.
I'm late to the party but... My dude... Why did I find you not mutch earlier. Great video
Thanks so much for the compliment!
My favourite part of Lotro. Rip Halbarad especially.
Halbarad! Quality secondary character, for sure.
The twins are way distant cousins of Aragorn right? They're all related I guess in some way
Indeed! (good point about everyone being related) Aragorn's lineage goes back to the first Numenorean king, Elros, who was Elrond's twin brother.
I think peter jackson could have found a way to have his cake and eat it too: He could have included elrond's sons as "extras" standing next to him but also without taking up any extra screen time or causing any sort of distraction to the plot. Likewise, the Dunedain could have been shown in the background fighting in Gondor or the Black Gate
Good call, Chris!
Thanks & well done!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, Ray!
Greetings from Transylvania! What are the chances you could do a vid similar to the Numenorean tech one but for architectural styles and guidelines, possibly even how with their masonry techniques they managed to built such tall towers - structural engineer here and would love to render realistic numenorean structures etc maybe even take on the challenge of finding a way to make it structurally sound for reality.
P.S. - watched all your LOTR vids, amazing job with them (this one included)! Please keep making them, they are so detail oriented and very lore clarifying :)
Hail to thee in Transylvania from here in Chicago - and thanks so much for the kind words! Your idea sounds awesome - adding it to the topic list! I'll research Tolkien's notes on structural design.
@@DorkLords I am grateful for thy reply, and look forward to it - high citizen of the land of the deep dish pizzas :D
Mircea Terec 😃 I'll be genuinely intrigued to see the extent of Tolkien's architectural design knowledge.
@@DorkLords Well, thing is that there are some descriptions for instance in the unfinished tales about the gates to Gondolin, and other such instances - but to my knowledge less about technology to actually build it. One can extrapolate from the fact that numenoreans used hallowed steel sections for bows that they had knowhow of material mechanics and about moment of inertia for instance.
Mircea Terec Well observed!
A new viewer here. What a magnificent voice. I do hope you make your living from it. You should look into narrating audiobooks or videos for the blind. Best to you. Kris
Thanks so much for the kind words, Kris! I was indeed involved in a program reading for the blind when I lived in Kansas City. These days I perform the occasional voice over, and I perform onstage, here in Chicago.
Absolutely rapt ! I love to hear a good telling. I hope you visit schools and do story time because you really know your stuff. I think middle school ages would be greatly entertained and brought near the masterpiece of Middle Earth if you showed up with a slide show like this! (They still do slide shows, don't they?) These days, the younger folk could use Tolkien's tales of fearless heroism and perseverance. I'm still making my way through your videos as I can. Great job.
Thanks so much, Gigi! I'd love reading for a classroom! The closest I've come is that I was a volunteer for a service that read books and periodicals for people with visual impairments.
@@DorkLords Your local library would probably love to have you do a story time. They advertise it and you would likely have a good audience if you put your TY credentials in the notice. Everyone loves a celebrity you know. And with all the Amazon and anime movie coming up, you would get a wide age group.
@@PleaseNThankYou That is an excellent suggestion, thanks Gigi!
Matt love these vids. I'm looking to find a Tolkien collection to read. But I take issue with Jackson's take on the Grey Company mainly because the 9 are all dead lords of some sentience. I was somewhat thinking that if this were DD the 9 would have assumed control of a powerful and deadly army which men couldn't cope with. In your court, sir.
Also if I wanted not just the 4 books and the Silmarillion what else to add.
I think the Nazguls' answer to the Men of Dunharrow might be the barrow-wights. The Witch-King sent these spirits to haunt the graves of the Dunedain. Though they don't seem as effective as the Oathbreakers.
As for additional books, I'd suggest Unfinished Tales and the Children of Hurin. A brand new book, The Nature of Middle-Earth, will be dropping in a couple of months. And if you want the ultimate compendium, get the multi-volume History of Middle-Earth - pricey but chock full of info.
This was great!
Thanks so much for the kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Good one thanks!
Happy to hear that!
Never really gave much thought to this particular thread of tLotR. Unsurprisingly, Doctor Dork Lords brings new vigour and tension to old tales!
Hee hee! I like Doctor Dork Lords!
Matt, I just saw a teaser for Simarillion, is this correct? Or is someone hyping me out?
That would be news to me! I checked, and I didn't see any Silmarillion tv/movie articles, so I'm guessing it's not true. But I'll keep my eyes open!
@@DorkLords I watched the trailer and it is at this url
www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=trailer+for+the+simirillian#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e07800e6,vid:C_Aa8APoJ_4,st:0
I guess this is a game? Starcraft is a gaming deign firm?
Damn I'm sad.
This video is a an oldie now, but a classic. Loved it Matt! Curious… in your head-canon, do you consider the Shades of the Mountain to be unofficial members of the “Grey Company”? Or merely the Dunedain, Elrond’s Sons & the Great Hunters?
Thanks so much, DeadlyKnight! Intriguing question - though I could see an argument for it, I don't think of the Oathbreakers as members of the Grey Company. We first hear of the Grey Company in TT
in a poem from Galadriel:
“Where now are the Dúnedain, Elessar, Elessar?
Why do thy kinsfolk wander afar?
Near is the hour when the Lost should come forth,
And the Grey Company ride from the North.
But dark is the path appointed for thee:
The Dead watch the road that leads to the Sea.”
The poem seems to separate the Grey Company from the Oathbreakers. And it mentions the Grey Company riding from the North.
@@DorkLords ah yes. Good point. Take care. Love the channel
Hey Matt! Especially great reading section in this video. Forgive me if you said in the video and I missed it but are the Grey Company just the ones that went with Aragon on the journey or are they the complete complement of remaining rangers in the north? Did the people's in the north know of their protector's presence or were they more like a Section 31? I think its clear that few, if any, hobbits knew they were protecting the borders but that's not surprising. Did the other people in the Arnor towns and cities know them and their origin beyond just calling them "rangers"?
Hi Justin! I'm glad you enjoyed the reading. To answer thine questions: the Grey Company are just the ones that went with Aragorn - there were other dunedain up north; ("I have thirty with me,’ said Halbarad. ‘That is all of our kindred that could be gathered in haste.") The locals knew of the existence of rangers, but generally didn't trust them, and didn't know their history. Here's a quote about how Bree viewed the rangers: “But in the wild lands beyond Bree there were mysterious wanderers. The Bree-folk called them Rangers, and knew nothing of their origin. They were taller and darker than the Men of Bree and were believed to have strange powers of sight and hearing, and to understand the languages of beasts and birds. They roamed at will southwards, and eastwards even as far as the Misty Mountains; but they were now few and rarely seen. When they appeared they brought news from afar, and told strange forgotten tales which were eagerly listened to; but the Bree-folk did not make friends of them.”
@@DorkLords Sorry didn't get the YT notification, thanks so much for clearing that up, your ability and willingness to come up with quotes is astounding. I guess if their Numy blood made them that much taller (wasn't obvious in the movies, I could swear Boremir/Sean Bean was taller than Aragorn), it would be difficult to hide amongst the populace. Its strange they weren't trusted though since all their stories included them presumably doing heroic deeds or taking on strange monsters or orcs.
Justin Parker Great point - "yeah, every time I see them, they're doing something noble or heroic - nope, don't trust 'em." Maybe it's fear of the unknown?; perhaps it's because the locals saw the rangers as rejecting their way of life, preferring life in the remote forests to life in town?
Remember how Barliman butterbur the landlord from the inn of the prancing pony spoke about strider when frodo asked who he was ? They weren't trusted because the people of Bree know nothing about orcs trolls balrogs ringwraiths and dark lords or about Sauron and the lands of Mordor. the dunedain protect there borders yet they know it not. Curtousy of the rangers they live a sheltered life free of the strike and troubles of middle earth, so it's only natural that the men of the dunedain who've had dealings with orcs and trolls and who have knowledge of elven lords and dwarven kingdoms and dark lords and tje nazguul used to terrorise the lands of eriador. Plus they are more in tune with nature living in the wild for lengthy periods and being Descendants of the men of the west who are not normal men and many of them have had dealings and training from the elves of rivendell and the elves from mirkwood. So to the farmerfolk of Bree they would seem odd folk indeed.
Why the heck did they bring the Lorien elves to Helms Deep instead of the Grey Company
Methinks Peter Jackson brought the elves to Helms Deep to showcase the common struggle of the elves and humans. But a few Dunedain on those battlements couldn't have hurt...
@@DorkLords Sure it could have hurt .... it could have hurt a lot of nasty Uruks! :)
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Sorry for so many comments.... it dawns on me that Elrond's sons could have taken the shards of Narsil to Lorien for their grandmother.... a master of craft.... to re-forge herself... and then she returned it with them. I know it probably isn't the way things went as it is always said that it was reforged in Rivendell.... but it is fun to think about. Too many overlook the skill of Galadriel.... and I guess I'd like to see her get more acclaim.
No worries! Somehow, your comments didn't reach my phone, and I'm only now seeing them on my desktop. I'm currently working on part 2 of my Galadriel series, and at some point I'll be addressing her tech. She is bedecked with numerous items of power - her ring, the elfstone, the phial of Galadriel, the Mirror of Galadriel...
Narsil was reforged in Rivendell. It says so in "the ring goes south"
@@DorkLords - and Gandalf the White's new staff after he was sent back. While the book does say that the sword was reforged in Rivendell... I find myself thinking that when the scouts went out after the Council of Elrond... I believe it was Elrond's sons who went to Lorien... and I wouldn't put it past them to have taken the sword to Galadriel to reforge it. I mean.... who else really had the craftsmanship at that point other than Galadriel? Maybe Glorfindel... Erestor... Gildor... and then it dawns on me that Elrond was raised by a son of Feanor.... so perhaps he learned that Noldoran skill as a young man directly from one of Feanor's sons.... Maglor? Who knows? Surely they continued to teach the trade to the younger elves.... I just doubt anyone could have done as good a job as Galadriel.... so I have to wonder if it was reforged while Aragorn was in Rivendell... or did it take a quick trip with Elrond's sons to Lorien and back? ... Who would YOU want to reforge the sword?
@@tylerbarrett6652 I like your "what if" scenario, Tyler - though I do think there could have been some quality elven smiths at Rivendell. One possibility would be a Noldor who was one of the Gwaith i Mirdain under Celebrimbor at Eregion - those elves could definitely reforge a sword. And though Sauron crushed Eregion, some of Eregion's elves escaped with Elrond to Rivendell:
“In black anger he turned back to battle; and bearing as a banner Celebrimbor’s body hung upon a pole, shot through with Orc-arrows, he turned upon the forces of Elrond. Elrond had gathered such few of the Elves of Eregion as had escaped, but he had no force to withstand the onset.”
@@MrChickennugget360 - Yeah... I caught that in my latest re-reading. Sometimes I wonder who might still have had this knowledge other than Galadriel and Glorfindel... but we learn so little about others who don't play a major role in the epic and so aren't mentioned.
That was frikin awesome Matt! Loved that. There's another battle that goes unheard of with the dwarves and orcs. Is there much literature on that?
Dale Pride Glad you enjoyed the video, Dale! Speaking of which, i think you might be talking about the Battle of Dale. It is referenced in the Appendices, and you're not the first person to request a video about it - it's on the list!
@@DorkLords Matt I challenge you to come up with certain history and law .. obviously legally perhaps talking the first few hundreds of years in Khazad-Dum perhaps the destruction of Beleriand.
Pretty much pushing it. But I love hearing Tolkien's lore from you. The only reason I just listen to you.
Make something up on the lore you know. No one has yet. Why not have a crack with something you enjoy
Dale Pride Wow - okay! So you'd like me to fill in the gaps on some Tolkien lore - I'll take a look at some history that needs fleshing out.
So Aragorn is actually related to Elrond through the House of Elros?
Correct!
@@DorkLords So does that mean he is marrying his cousin? ugh.
@@charlesspurlock119 He is indeed! Though the family tree from Elros to Aragorn goes thru many many generations, while Elrond to Arwen is a short straight line.
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Apologies for breaking the thread but I have a request for a video if you think it’s worthy of one.
The topic is ‘The Winter of Thingol.’
When Beren and Luthien completed their quest and returned to live as mortal man and woman, Luthien visited Thingol to heal him.
This is an obscure reference and I don’t understand what Tolkien is referring to.
Thanks!
@@phinehaselohim7111 I like it! That is indeed a mysterious quote. I wonder if it's suggesting Thingol was sad because he missed his daughter? And her return lifted his spirits?
“and Lúthien went to Menegroth and healed the winter of Thingol with the touch of her hand.”
they do the grey compnay justice in lord of the rings online :)
Awesome - good to know! Thanks for that info, George!
Who was it that re-forged the sword of Narsil? Someone in Elrond's house must still have some ability in smithing and craftsmanship.
We're told the sword was reforged by "elven smiths." It does sound like the kind of job you'd entrust to a name smith - and that elf would forever be associated with Anduril. I guess the elves were thinking, "just another broken sword." :)
Wouldn't surprise me if it was some descendant from the house of feanor
@@johnashton6241 Some Noldor ancestry sounds reasonable.
@@DorkLords Are you looking forward to Amazon's 2nd age TV series. The budget they're investing is very impressive. I think they will do a good job personally. I'm also looking forward to wheel of time. That was a hard read it took me 10 years to read that series.
@@johnashton6241 i am indeed looking forward to the Amazon series! Here is my theory video for the series:: ruclips.net/video/P2RykRutHI4/видео.html
And like you, it took me a while to complete the Wheel of Time as well - partially because I was waiting for Jordan's protege to finish it. I really enjoyed the first few books, but I was less enthused with the 2nd half of the series.
You really need to do a full audio reading of LOTR.
Thanks, Charles! That sounds like a daunting project, but it would also be a fulfilling one.
Yeah.... i think it was a dismal mistake to leave the grey company out of the film.... and even worse to replace them with a company of elves who join the battle of the Hornburg. As you read, 30 were all they could gather in haste of the Dunedain Rangers..... (So how many are there in total?) I'm constantly harping on the numbers.... the writing sounds like they've dwindled to fewer than 10.... and there is so much focus on the leaders that we miss the sheer numbers of the members of the companies/clans/famillies/tribes etc. I have to constantly remind myself that there were many many more than who we learn about.
quite late for a reply; but probably a lot. As a tribal member myself, these type of families/clans often produce a lot of numbers and lose only a few in wars/small skirmishes through unconventional warfare which the Dunedain is good at. So, considering that the dunedains started their nomadic lives for quite a long time now, there are probably a lot of them.
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I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
You need to leave up pictures and maps much longer. We know what you look like.
Hee hee - note taken, Lady Alaina!