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- Conan reflects on how often he's had to respond to mass shootings in the last decade.
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"When did this become a ritual?" The line that hit me the hardest.
If only everyone there had an m4 with laser pointers. They would have been safe /s
100 mag drum, one bullet can pass through 4-5 people, yeah is VERY doable,plus ricochets. what you should be asking is WHY is it allowed for civilians to buy high capacity magazines in SELF DEFENSE.........who need that much bullets for protecting themmselves ?
bladerj Agreed, I believe it should be tasers honeslty
NightagentWill...What would this shooting accomplish as a false flag event for the NWO? Only possibility I see is the effort to pass legislation to ban semi-automatic weapons. But he used a automatic weapon which was already banned years ago.
What a big baby
Say whatever about the ratings, but this guy has been hosting since the time when other present talk show hosts were jobless. He is the current king of late night, classy guy
Yeah I honestly cant stand Fallon, Colbert, Kimmel, Oliver etc.. The fact that Conan still is a late night host is the only thing that would keep me watching late night hosts at this point.
Chris S. what's wrong with Colbert and noah? They are pretty real
Bryan cause....it's a talk show.
DaSMURF13_MCTv lmao Colbert and Noah are the biggest propaganda machines on late night television. I like Noah as a comedian. I thought his stand up special was incredible, but lets be real. He thinks people who are leftist are inherently smarter then everyone else
Sinnan Momin Stephen I get you. Very biased. But Trevor Noah uses logic, science, and statistics to make fun of you guys. ruclips.net/video/tX7why_IWsk/видео.html
"The sounds of those automatic weapons last night were grotesquely out of place in a civilised society"
Josh Bourke and texas passed deregulation of silencers. Smh
The sounds were grotesquely out of place so they deregulate silencers so gunshots won't be heard. Problem solved. smh
Yea cos they’re banned
Not automatic
Josh Bourke perfect words
There is something very different about Conan and the rest of the late night TV hosts... he doesn't flaunt any political bias... he doesn't point fingers.. he tells it like it is in the most humble and respectful way possible. Bless this man. He is genuine.
T-Bone I agree. Out of all of them he's the most honest and down to Earth person.
Agreed.
I see where you are coming from, but sometimes I feel like you need to point fingers to get things done
kcozgrove well how can you do this without being demented? The very act of doing this proves he was demented
That's why Conan's the only good one left. I love Craig, and was mad when he quit his show and didn't get Letterman's Spot like he should have, but he did get out just in time before the late night biased propaganda machine was forced on all the hosts.
What a class act...... love you Conan ❤️
this wasnt a act in less it was a reanctment
You can see the tears in his eyes as he speaks. I have always had the up most respect for Conan. Thank you for your words Conan!
Great response... the best of all the late night talk show hosts.
Reefresocotias Conan is my favorite of all the late night hosts.
Reefresocotias i don’t know if that’s possible but compared to the other hosts his approach spoke to me more than any of the others.
Conan is a class act. I've been watching him since 97 or 98. I found him great when I was in 6th grade and I find him great now.
Nic well said
Simeon Costa jimmy kimmel
1:36...Conan on preparing for this show with his writers: "How can there be a file of mass shooting remarks for a late night host". Thanks for putting it in perspective Conan.
Conan is always genuine. You can just tell
JuzTroublez i just watched jimmy fallon ( whom i enjoy) nd he barely said anything but seeing his eyes flicker back n forth reading from a que card... meanwhile conan seems to be just talking freely from the heart... maybe jimmy just didn’t have the words but didn’t look too effected..
And no political bs like Kimmel.
you cant actually but whatever
Except when he fake laughs at his guests. He's becoming Jimmy Fallon tier.
He's still the only good late night host left, though. Sad how terrible late night comedy has become in only a few years.
@@komujimaru 🤡
May the lives that were lost Rest In Peace.
Eddie Carlson ok thanks
Eddie Carlson why are you telling me to die because I ride a scooter. I mean are you really that insecure. Come on bro I commented to recognize the victim of the shooting not deal with your ass. Now please move on and enjoy your day:)
Eddie Carlson what an immature little brat, gtfo of youtube
Eddie Carlson wtf is your problem he’s just being nice.....for some reason I was expecting an idiot like you to ruin it.
I sadly don't think they will
Conan is by far the best late night comic ever. Just based on his comedy and personality. However, he is also by far the most classy and sincere person that has a platform to address the masses. Very well put mr. O'brien. I will always be a big fan of yours. Not just for your comedy, but for your heart and character.
Conan addressed this very well. I believe that most shooters, including the one at Las Vegas, do it to go out with a large bit of publicity. They want the news to go up and for everyone they ever wronged to see and possibly think "maybe they were messed up in the head". I believe that once we stop reporting on these shootings on news, these occurrences will happen a bit less. Not gone, just less. Conan did this very beautifully. He didn't even mention the shooter's name once. He only followed how shootings have become more frequent and how they should not happen in a civilized country, and of course gave his respects.
Echocookie Well of course something like "the biggest US mass shooting", is going to make the news. This isn't something we can just ignore. People died, and many family members and friends of these victims have been greatly effected by this. Not only that, but the media flocks to negativity, that's what gets the most attention. I agree with you about these lunatics possibly doing these shootings for attention and publicity. It's very likely. Even if these shootings were really just big publicity stunts, people are going to give it attention.
Yeah I know it won't stop just saying I think it would be better if it did.
you can't analyze someone psychologically based on one action. you have NO IDEA what their motives or thought process was. not every killer or bomber seeks public attention or recognition.
people are more complex than that
every other country figured out HEALTHCARE and GUN CONTROL, yet we can't...HMMMMMMMM
Echocookie one problem, period goes inside the parentheses NOT outside 👍
Echocookie Very well said. There is research and statistically based evidence that shows by not mentioning or glorifying the shooters name could, in one to two years, potentially reduce mass shootings by more than 40-50%. It's partly modelled or 'speculative' but wouldn't it be worth a shot? Spineless politicians being puppet mastered by the NRA is a waste of time...but perhaps we could convince the media?
Really well done conan, very well said.
how did the shooter obtain automatic weapons? my impression was those are highly illegal.
Vogler Zero ....they aren't. I don't know why, but they aren't.
Really? He pushed a politcal agenda instead of focusing on the victims and u think that is well said?
kcabyats * victims are dead. we need to focus on the living now.
Vogler Zero after time! Not to mention that automatic rifles have already been illegal since 1986
I was awake when the shooting was happening and when I went online and saw that there had been a shooting an hour ago in Las Vegas I was thinking about how I was online with my friends laughing having a good time while people 1 hour away from our homes were losing their lives while also trying to have a good time. It really struck me hard because I told my friends and at school today everyone was just down. There wasn't any laughter in the cafeteria. In the hallways people were just trying to get to class and in class pretty much all day our teachers talked about it for most of the class. So today was just really hard and just to know that someone could even go through with killing innocent people makes me fear even more about going out with friends and it makes me fear what life will be like when I have kids. And if shootings will be so common that we become desensitized to the fact that our fellow humans are literally killing each other off when what we should be doing is coming together and laughing, joking, smiling and enjoying our lives. If you took the time to even read all that thank you.
I'm so sorry about what happened :( this is so sad
I was awake, too. I agree, it makes me scared to go out to crowded events a bit. I know that's what they want, for us to live in fear. But it gets harder not to with every tragedy.
When I was in school, this was so far fetched and strange. It just didn't happen. I am so very sorry that we have allowed this to be common place for your generation. It's heartbreaking. Please be safe. We need more people like you.
I am sorry for what happend, but this is the reality for many contries in the world like my, so americans need to realize that they aren't the only victims and make the world pray for them
I saw someone post this on Facebook saying something was happening in Las Vegas. Didnt know it would turn into this disturbing atrocity
Conan always had that Letterman thing.
No other host is as good as those two
What a good speech.
Absolutely. And to those who think celebrities should not say anything about this, just because you are an entertainer does not mean you stop being a citizen & a human being.
Plus, 1:14 will never not be screwed up.
This is the best response from anyone in Hollywood as I see it. Immediately after these horrific tragedy’s, the scared and traumatized American people have to listen to political bickering and told that because some monster snapped, the good people can’t defend themselves and use their 2nd amendment rights. Conan is just a genuine good guy, the other hosts are just there to spew political noises.
I agree, detective Phelps
Politics have gotten in the way of common sense in a grotesque way in this country.
Thank you Conan for making a statement.
how would any law have prevented this? Name 1 law that works when it is ignored. laws are to punish the guilty after a crime. so again I ask what law would prevent a madman from plotting and planning and executing his horrific vision ?
Dan Fernandez I don't know. Isn't something better than nothing at this point?
Dan Fernandez Laws don't always have to prevent. Reduce is almost always the key when writing legislation, and having the record set for largest mass shooting in the history of your country twice in less than 2 years is certainly in need of reduction in my opinion.
@Stix N' Stones Except Jimmy Kimmel wasn't promoting an agenda and Conan was pretty much repeating what Kimmel and other late night host are saying.
@Dan Fernandex None of what you said makes any sense.
"laws are to punish the guilty after a crime."
Not really laws are can be regulations and preventative measures. Laws that against drunk driving doesn't stop drunk driving but it reduces it and saves lives. Gun control is no different it won't stop gun related deaths and mass shootings but it'll reduce them and save lives.
The logic of "criminals disobey laws so there is no need to make news laws." is stupid because going by that logic we might as well get rid of rape and murder laws since rape and murder still happen.
Amen. By far my favorite host of all time. Extremely well said
I held the hand of my friend as she took her last breath. I assume the check in the mail?
World Coming Down 5777 shove the conspiracy theory up your ass.
Being sincere and not showing too much emotion while making sure people around him feel better and hopeful isn't acting. It's maturity.
Could not have been better said.
+New Message We meet again.
New Message so right
Hush Whisper,
hasn`t got the mourning USA enough of your religious village fools?
New Message xd
Agreed
I love conan never gets too political or serious. But when he does man I listen
Please, please let's come together.
Lucky Llama I already came.. Twice!
Aye saw you on jimmys too
Lucky Llama come together, right now! Over me!
Tasic - Also did it on the other late night one (James). I'm grateful for my loved ones being safe, and broken hearted for those who lost people. I felt like reminding people to come together was the only thing I could do. 😕
Venkatesh G - Probably not the best time for a crude joke but actually glad you're smiling. Best of luck my friend
Props to Conan addressing this shooting. The shooting was horrible and my deepest condolences to the victims and survivors. Be safe guys. God bless.
Nurull Aulia
god bless u
Nurull Aulia your condolences doesn’t bring those victims back
How did you get there from her statement?
normaali ihminen *NOTHING* can bring those victims back, what's your point?
my roommate was there. her friend was shot next to her but thankfully both of them were able to escape alive and run to the MGM grand. i can hardly sleep knowing what she saw and felt. i should be so lucky because she hasnt slept a wink and the thought of October 1st, 2017 will always haunt her.
"When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping." -Fred Rogers 💔❤️
Seriously, Conan is such a class act.
My guy Conan❤️We need more people like him to openly talk about these issues. I’m glad he’s such a real person. Love and peace goin out to all the victims and their families☮️✌️❤️
people dislike a video about the condemnation of a horrific terror attack. some people are truly sad
has it been established it's terrorist attack. If so, what was his "mission"?
Reaper & Sylum Some people are cancer to this world.
theresa bell The trolls are coming! The trolls are coming! Do not feed!
theresa bell wtf?? How is it fake?
theresa bell I live in Henderson, NV and work just a couple of miles away, is that staged, too? Are you getting on a plane to come check it out for yourself? No, you're not, so just go away.
“What does it say about us that it has?”
It’s hard to see him giving up on humanity but that’s what these shootings have lead to.
Keep calm and carry on, chump
Sure, we are corruptible humans. Some of us are evil, demented, sadist, monsters, but in stark contrast there are people who emit pure love and hope. In the words of the great Fred Rogers, just look for the helpers.
watched/heard this monologue. immediately the sniffles came and i was choked with tears. conan's words cut through.
In America you can buy a gun but you can’t buy kinder egg 🤔
WOKE
Mike Rotch The gun he carried is illegal and band you can't just go and buy a gun educate yourself before speaking a bunch of b.s
The gun he had was illegally purchased and highly illigal in its self
They have them at my corner store, and some 7 11s
Its not kinder eggs that kill people its people
You are not the most political, Conan. But you are the smartest late night host.
Maybe he's the smartest BECAUSE he's not the most political?
Poly Nikes He is the smartest because he acknowledges that he is not very knowledgeable in politics. He is not missinforming or missguide his viewers.
No, I suspect Conan & Colbert are the most educated of the talk show hosts on politics. He just chooses not to weigh-in. I suspect because of that; when he does it has a greater impact.
pilsung26 Colbert educated? Haha!
+hannu ainsalo very good response
"How can there be a file on mass shooting remarks for a late night host? When did that become normal? When did this become ritual?... And what does it say about us that it has?
I was up all night, I'm an insomniac, I was crying most of that time. My husband woke up and I couldn't do anything but show him the video. To say I'm depressed, or heart broken is an understatement. I didn't know anyone involved, but I have friends and people I admire that live out there, something in me just feels empty the past couple days.
Conan, a class act from Day 1. Nothing but love and respect for him.
Well said, Conan.
This was 2 years ago but I've just now seen it. There was so much respect, care and honesty in the way in which Conan addressed not only the tragedy of the Las Vegas shooting but also the broader issue of mass shootings in general. This is one more reason why I love him: he's actually a decent human being. I do wonder what I can do personally to decrease the amount of mass shootings in the United States.
This is the most heartfelt thing ive ever seen from conan
Whenever these horrible things happen, Conan always seems to be the one that makes me feel a bit better. I've been so heartbroken by this all day. My heart is with Las Vegas. I've already donated blood and donated to the GoFundMe as well.
Thank you Conan. I live here in Vegas and it's a tragic event ☹️
tj d sorry about that tragedy try to keep up pal may god be beside u and the whole Vegas 🙏🙏
tj d same it is sad
Thank you sir... It is so scary for us to live in a situation like this, where our lives could be ended by anyone with a gun... For all of us outsiders, America is always a symbol of hope and greatness... Even though these incidents clouds over that light, if we stand together, we can all make this world a better place. Spread love... Not hate and violence...
Ever since he addressed 9/11, Conan always notes that he is by no means a qualified to report on these incidents but always keeps his message kind and genuine. Keep doing you Conan, Us locals in Vegas appreciate you !!!!!!
Conan is unique in that he genuinely cares about people and has compassion for others. I've been a fan since 93 and always will be 👍🏻thanks Conan
He’s so articulate and caring... I miss him so much :(
We love you Conan!
My dad told me he sat in his room and cried I’ve only seen my dad maybe cry once or twice it truly effected this whole city especially me like it truly hit home
malaysian feel sorry for what happened in vegas..I feel heart broken too in sense of humanity..we all are brothers and sisters
My thoughts exactly. My sincere deepest condolences to all who were affected. I can't fathom the situation you're all in :/
Seen a lot of reactions to the horror on various tv channels, Conan you by far presented just right. I respect your work.
When i woke up and saw the headline for a shooting my immediate thought was "oh another shooti-" i paused. Shook my head in disgust and thought again, *another* shooting. The fact that i used this word unconsciously is disgusting. This *can't* become a normal thing in our society.
I wish Conan was my president
Kind Smack , he's too smart to be present. He would make everyone look so bad in Washington, they'd assassinate him on inauguration day.
I wish the wild turkey walking down my sidewalk this morning was my president. Couldn't be worse.
I'd rather have a President with orange hair than an orange face.
Color noir Failed to capitalize “and” and you placed an unnecessary comma. Stop taking high roads.
Kind Smack
Trump also said nice things. I'm glad he's my president.
As a las Vegas resident I appreciate it coco!!! God bless
Well said and so touching
Well spoken! Conan is the most genuine of all talkshow hosts, much love!
This is why I love Conan. No politics, pure truth and continues with his job.
probably the realest speech i heard out of this whole thing
So respectful and genuine.. Conan you are the man! Don't ever change🙏
I love how you addressed this your one of the best late night hosts you ganged a tun of respect
World Class Host
2017 is a bitch
Kind Smack no it’s the humans not the year
Thinh Ngo how does the year affect anything
and this bullshit had to happen on the same day Tom Petty passed, too. World's just becoming darker and darker.
Gregory Spalding no, 2017 has been a lot worse than 2016
be a real madarasama and cast infinite tsukiyomi instead of complaining about years man
Thank you for the wisdom and integrity in which this message was conveyed.
Watching this in 2020... The heart of this man really shines through... what a decent guy Conan is!!! 👏
I'm left wondering who in the hell are the 288 people that disliked this. From England here and i always enjoy watching Conan and seeing this today made me feel that what he said came straight from his heart. Much love to all the families involved. Don't even know what else to say, the whole thing is truely horrific.
Thank you so much, Conan.
I never saw this. This is really powerful and spot on.
I really respect you Conan , to all the comedians out there addressing this matter in such a serious manner I really do Thank You !
I end up going back to these speeches Conan has done after every mass shooting...
me too.
Here right now
Class act. Bravo.
I have seen all of the talk show address this Vegas incident and Conan one is the best. Well said Conan!
condolences from singapore
My mom and dad went to Las Vegas for a holiday they traveled from Ireland and I'm just grateful they weren't victims RIP everyone who tragically lost there life
Very powerful monologue Conan.
Inabishin hell yeah
This is the reason why i love Conan the most
So much love and respect for Conan
i ALMOST TURNED THIS OFF WHEN HE STARTED TO PREACH! THANK YOU CONAN
"Things were simpler then."
I live in Las Vegas and I work on the Strip and I appreciate the support from everyone. thank you Conan
This is one of the best ways to address the public from a late night show host.
Prayers for the families and friends of the slain and the injured.
God bless them and us all.
Kudos, to Conan for not being political about this!!!
So much better than Jimmy Kimmel's response. Conan wasn't political, he was simply genuine.
Although in Jimmy's case, because it happened in his hometown, he had every right to be angry & hurt in order to get political. When something terrible happens where a person lives, they would get that way, too.
I also appreciate that Conan can deliver his message without crying. I can't sit through Kimmel's speech because of that. I know it hurt him, but it was just so awkward. And yeah getting political about it definitely takes away the emotion of it all as well. And people will say that his response was warranted because it happened in his hometown, but I still think if you're speaking on a public platform, you need to maintain at least a little bit of professionalism, no matter how severe the situation is or how much it affects you personally.
Jimmy Kimmel is a hack & a creep
Jimmy Kimmel is a horrible human being and has a history of being a bad person, Conan speaks from the heart while Kimmel speaks to manipulate people
It's all political.
I was just waiting for something truly horrific to happen, and, I thought to myself, things will have to change. Little children in an elementary school were brutally shot to death and absolutely nothing was done. Therefore, nothing will ever be done.
Things do need to change. this made me cry.
Very well spoken...Thank You Conan.😪. Thank you for the beautiful words of professionalism and the words from your ❤️. ✌️
I'm sure we're close to building up enough thoughts and prayers to make this stop. Keep them coming.
We have an appointment at the funeral home tomorrow. You should meet us there.
World Coming Down 5777 Evidence???
Shooting crimes will end when USA stops its citizens from buying guns as if they'd bought a toy.
seriously?
it's not something you should have to build up. either prayers get answered or there's no god
Well Said. and I've Always Loved Conan For Being A Non Political Host And I Was Born In 1999 And Grew Up Watching This Show/'s With My Dad And I Love Conan Cause He Makes It Clear About A Recent Tragedy From 9/11 To The Vegas Shooting Then He Does His Job And Get's The People Murning To Have A Laugh He's a Great Host. The Host Of The Night Shows From The 20th Century Are The Funniest & Conan Is The Last Of Them & It Will Be Hard To Find Someone That Fit's His Standard's.
Much better message than the last time. Calmness like this could allow this to be the last time.
I’ve never been a huge fan of Conan’s, but he came out and spoke better then any other late night host who did the same.... great job man. Respect.
Conan gave a better speech about it than donald trump
Better?? They both sent their condolences, how is one better?? lol
If a comedian says "something needs to happen", it's open to interpretation and he doesn't offend all the gun-lovers. Liberals will think that he spoke about gun laws, but he actually spoke about something that changed in society. If Trump said "something needs to happen", people would expect legal changes which would be reactionary and unwise to promise without having concrete plans. I mean... it didn't stop him before, but it wouldn't be smart for a politician, while it is smart for a comedian.
Mik Philo
Because unlike trump conan was speaking from his heart and not from teleprompter
matt ford you've been brainwashed by the media. Congratulations, you're a pawn
A deaf-mute could have given a better speech than Trump.
Stop killing each other just love and find peace in yourself and in others #peaceloveandpositivity
ZJP sadly that's not gonna happen
ZJP sadly there are evil people in this world or mental ill people
ZJP sadly people don't listen to those words.
Thank you, your RUclips comment just brought the world together.
Over twice as many people who liked your comment lost their lives in Las Vegas the other night. 25 likes is quite a lot.
Beautifully said
Best response of all the hosts.
When you look at the thumbs down, which should be "ZERO", this is how this stuff happens. God Bless the victims and their families. Well said Conan!
Way to express ur love for ur country I agree with what u are saying pray for Las Vegas
Leia Yeiter connan is not American
Ik but he lives her sooo
Leia Yeiter her who is her
Sorry meant here*
Terrible what's happening .. God bless their souls and give the families strength through this tough time..
Beautifully said friend.
It's sad that I get better thoughts and solace from listening to our late night comedians, Colbert,Conan,Kimmel, Myers and Noah than our damned President.
Blowin, whatever Trump does, you would attack him so shut up. And they call Trump & his supporters unhinged, the irony.
BlowinSh!tUp Your a brainwashed liberal with no thinking of your own that's probably why.
no it means that you are sheep lmfaoooo
Joyce Gibbs I'm glad you found Trump's lack luster, paint by numbers, going through the motions, barest of minimums speech after the shooting so inspiring. I'm a Republican, by the way, and a gun owner, as well, but find Trump a disgrace to the office and an embarrassment to our country.
BlowinSh!tUp, well said.
I live in Las Vegas and we're all shaken yet coming together. Interfaith ceremonies and gatherings at UNLV (many of those displaced were brought on campus) are taking place now. In the face of horror, we're trying to be strong 💕
Good to hear that! The most powerful thing people can do in the face of tragedy is come together.
I am German staying in the Excalibur as a tourist. I love Las Vegas! My flight leaves today, but I have been here four times in the last nine years and am willing to come back for more. I feel secure and the people here are actually a lot nicer than all those Germans back home, who never chat with strangers. Holidays in the US are always a blast and you shouldn't create reactionary laws, but stay true to your core values, which make this country a great place to visit.
Alice Mulligan it's been a lovely thing to see. Not only has our community come together but others from out of state as well.
Lets PlayTV so happy to hear that you're safe! Glad to hear that you've been treated well! We're all normally kind but more so these days. Random hugs and gratitude to seeing another sun rise, hope all accept our feelings.
If yourself or others need anything, please don't hesitate to reach out to anyone, we're all here to help. UNLV has psychologists open to the public & trauma counselors at Circus Circus. I'm not sure how much information is going out to tourists.
Hope you enjoy your next trip here & have a safe flight back home!
I still am taken back by this video not only was he a class act through the whole thing but more than any single clip related to the issue of shootings in America it was so exceptionally said you’d think he’s the president Well done Conan
True words and perfectly stated! Thank you Conan and crew!! Much love, respect, and full agreement!!!
"Grotesquely out of place in a civilized society." yes
I love how Conan doesn’t really tell his opinion on politics... so he doesn’t have a biased audience
Is this sarcasm.
Bruce Wayne no. He’s not as politically outspoken as other comedians.
you should watch his monologue on the Orlando shooting he was against assault rifles
Being against guns that can shoot multiple people per second isn't necessarily a political stance, btw. It's just a "wanting the killing to stop" stance.
And he did say (this time) that his feeling on this boils down to "I don't think that it should be so easy for one demented person to kill so many people so quickly. The sounds of those automatic weapons last night are grotesquely out of place in a civilized society."
So yeah, he isn't against pistols or shotguns, he's against semi or full auto weapons that can mow down multiple people per second.
I always saw Conan has a Liberal Conservative or a libertarian type.
Excellent remarks, Conan, thank you!
2 years later its still so tragic