In reality, inverted rubbers only have one point of contact when they hit the ball. They generate spin instantly as soon as they touch the ball. The exception is rubbers that do not generate grip, such as Anti rubbers. But this would not be the case we are talking about. One might think of making a movement with the paddle to touch a quarter of the ball, but the reality is that to achieve this effect you only have to hit the ball at 45 degrees with a downward movement to generate a backspin effect with speed. If you contact it at 0 degrees, that is, well below the ball, it does not generate speed, unless you throw the ball very high on the serve.
Exactly! This is evident when the serve (of any pro tt player) is shown in slow motion video. I’ve never seen contact more than zero degrees. I think the non-spin serve is hit with minimal or no brushing at the back of the ball but he continues to move the paddle down and forward to simulate a brushing motion. The spiny serve is brushed between the back and bottom of the ball.
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It would help to show detailed slow motion of the contact of the ball with the paddle to prove that what this video talks about is true. My understanding is that with grippy rubbers the ball doesn't roll on the paddle, the rubber grabs the ball and then catapults it, all at one point.
Hey! The translation confuses me a bit at the beginning. Also, in other videos, “thicker contact” typically refers to impact over spin. In other words, hitting the ball harder rather than brushing it lightly. Here, it seems to mean more contact time on the rubber = thicker contact, if I understand correctly. The concept of brushing two sides of the ball during serves is interesting. I wonder how often this technique is used by professionals. For example, with the ghost serve, you also brush one-quarter of the ball or two sides (so to speak), but starting at the bottom and brushing slightly upwards at the end. I also found it interesting that the pendulum serve was mentioned. I’ve often wondered whether it’s better to serve purely by brushing the side of the ball, or to start by brushing the front and then brush to the side, or even to brush the side first and finish at the back of the ball. It would be great if there were a detailed video explaining these nuances and 1/4 contacts on different serves. Thanks for the translation!
This technique is rarely used by professional players because the thicker contact that penetrates the sponge creates a very strong spin. However, the second bounce will definitely go off the table, and the ball's height is not particularly low. For professional players skilled at looping underspin, this poses little challenge. Professional players also avoid using this serve for long balls. Instead, they typically use sidespin long serves aimed at difficult spots on the opponent's forehand or backhand. And mix spin and no-spin serves as well. The trajectory difference between a ghost underspin and a no-spin serve is usually more noticeable. However, if you are highly skilled, you could consider using this technique to deliver a sidespin long serve. This is also mentioned in the video. Although the speed of your sidespin long serve will be slower than usual, the curve will be sharper. If placed at the transition point between the opponent’s forehand and backhand, it can force hesitation or make them realize late that the ball is better suited for a forehand return but lands closer to the backhand. When combined with regular sidespin long serves, it can disrupt the opponent's rhythm.
do you use your fingers, for friction effect too? Or you use only the relaxed wrist? I mean, maybe the brush easier, if I move the fingers like this: at the contact moment, I use my index finger help to turn the racket angle down to the bottom of the ball, and the thumb move up a little bit. Yes from back to bottom turn. I dont know , you can understand that, how I mean, as like the way you unscrew a cap from a bottle. The timing is crucial...very-very hard. But, the original question: you not use your fingers?
I’m not a professional player, but based on my experience, many professional athletes also don’t rely much on their fingers to increase friction. Instead, they use their fingers to adjust the racket angle and apply a certain amount of grip at the moment of contact to brake the racket. This allows for sufficient spin while preventing the ball from traveling too fast.
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In reality, inverted rubbers only have one point of contact when they hit the ball. They generate spin instantly as soon as they touch the ball. The exception is rubbers that do not generate grip, such as Anti rubbers. But this would not be the case we are talking about. One might think of making a movement with the paddle to touch a quarter of the ball, but the reality is that to achieve this effect you only have to hit the ball at 45 degrees with a downward movement to generate a backspin effect with speed. If you contact it at 0 degrees, that is, well below the ball, it does not generate speed, unless you throw the ball very high on the serve.
Exactly! This is evident when the serve (of any pro tt player) is shown in slow motion video. I’ve never seen contact more than zero degrees.
I think the non-spin serve is hit with minimal or no brushing at the back of the ball but he continues to move the paddle down and forward to simulate a brushing motion. The spiny serve is brushed between the back and bottom of the ball.
Very good lesson
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Very useful, thank you !
It would help to show detailed slow motion of the contact of the ball with the paddle to prove that what this video talks about is true. My understanding is that with grippy rubbers the ball doesn't roll on the paddle, the rubber grabs the ball and then catapults it, all at one point.
Thank you for your content. Does this same reasoning apply to topspin?
Hey! The translation confuses me a bit at the beginning. Also, in other videos, “thicker contact” typically refers to impact over spin. In other words, hitting the ball harder rather than brushing it lightly. Here, it seems to mean more contact time on the rubber = thicker contact, if I understand correctly.
The concept of brushing two sides of the ball during serves is interesting. I wonder how often this technique is used by professionals. For example, with the ghost serve, you also brush one-quarter of the ball or two sides (so to speak), but starting at the bottom and brushing slightly upwards at the end.
I also found it interesting that the pendulum serve was mentioned. I’ve often wondered whether it’s better to serve purely by brushing the side of the ball, or to start by brushing the front and then brush to the side, or even to brush the side first and finish at the back of the ball.
It would be great if there were a detailed video explaining these nuances and 1/4 contacts on different serves. Thanks for the translation!
This technique is rarely used by professional players because the thicker contact that penetrates the sponge creates a very strong spin. However, the second bounce will definitely go off the table, and the ball's height is not particularly low. For professional players skilled at looping underspin, this poses little challenge. Professional players also avoid using this serve for long balls. Instead, they typically use sidespin long serves aimed at difficult spots on the opponent's forehand or backhand. And mix spin and no-spin serves as well. The trajectory difference between a ghost underspin and a no-spin serve is usually more noticeable.
However, if you are highly skilled, you could consider using this technique to deliver a sidespin long serve. This is also mentioned in the video. Although the speed of your sidespin long serve will be slower than usual, the curve will be sharper. If placed at the transition point between the opponent’s forehand and backhand, it can force hesitation or make them realize late that the ball is better suited for a forehand return but lands closer to the backhand. When combined with regular sidespin long serves, it can disrupt the opponent's rhythm.
@@kakaluser thx for the infos!
You are welcome!😁
Does this mean he is changing the angle mid-swing to do the 1/4 brush?
do you use your fingers, for friction effect too? Or you use only the relaxed wrist? I mean, maybe the brush easier, if I move the fingers like this: at the contact moment, I use my index finger help to turn the racket angle down to the bottom of the ball, and the thumb move up a little bit. Yes from back to bottom turn. I dont know , you can understand that, how I mean, as like the way you unscrew a cap from a bottle. The timing is crucial...very-very hard. But, the original question: you not use your fingers?
I’m not a professional player, but based on my experience, many professional athletes also don’t rely much on their fingers to increase friction. Instead, they use their fingers to adjust the racket angle and apply a certain amount of grip at the moment of contact to brake the racket. This allows for sufficient spin while preventing the ball from traveling too fast.
another gold nugget