We are one of the largest residential metal roof installers in Missouri. The average age of laminated asphalt shingles we replaced in the last 20 years was about 14-15 years old. The average standing seam metal roof we replaced was about 80 years old. The real life comparison is way misrepresented if it is standing seam versus laminated shingles.
I think it depends a lot on storm activity. Here where I am, some areas are for more prone to hail and wind events than other areas. You're right, if a hail storm hits a shingle roof, it's going to significantly alter it's lifespan. But if it doesn't, I have seen shingle roofs last their anticipated lifespan.
This is the first time a roofer has said what we all know, that metal roofs last 50-100yrs especially if you cool seal them every 15-20yrs. All other roofers say shingle roofs are just as good as metal roofs because they get paid to replace shingle roofs, if everyone had metal roofs the only thing that would cause a metal roof to be replaced was a major hail storm or a tornado because not even cement can survive a direct hit from a major tornado.
Jonathon, I’m in Missouri too, I’m in risk management in insurance and I’ve inspected thousands of roofs across the state. I’ve probably seen some of your roofs! We see the same numbers 14-15 years. We pull replacement cost coverage after 15 years for that very reason because the roof at that point is typically past it’s useful life. Standing seam is the way to go IMO. But I would recommend shingles over ribbed metal here on ROI. Although we do see some issues with standing seam, most of them are poor installation and it leaks around penetrations and transition. 50 years is just wrong anywhere in America for any shingle.
Upstate NY there isn’t a shingle that will come close to 50 yrs of service. Lucky to get 20 yrs. I have a metal roof that has been on 40 years and it looks like it will last 100 years plus
Hail and other weather definitely have an impact, and in Texas, our weather is a lot different than NY! We have roofs here in our town that are 100 years old and they are SHOT. The metal gets brittle and cracks. Our city in the mid 1920's mandated metal on all houses because of fire issues, and boy, there are still a lot of those old roofs around. They look really cool, actually.Metal does last a long time. I totally agree.
shingles here last about 12-15 TOPS years... i'm even further north than you I have no idea where a shingle would last 50 years.. maybe like inside, on a shelf in the store??? No idea.
@@666dynomax My roof shingles already reached 15 years, I don't feel there will be any problem for next 10 years. Many people do replace them, but not because they need to, only because that's how long they expect them to last. I see no sign of aging.
Here in Florida your home insurance considers a Shingle roof “old” after 15 years. Literally one week ago I had a standing seem metal roof installed to replace my 17 y/o shingle roof. My insurance carrier of 5 years canceled my policy solely because of the age of the roof. Besides that, theirs no way in hell a shingle roof will last 50 years in Florida. Even without hurricanes, the sun will destroy a shingle roof within 20 years.
The shingle roof on a rental house of mine was 16 years old and in good condition. My insurance carrier said "Replace it or no more coverage." I called around to other insurance companies only to learn that, yes, indeed, I'm putting on a new shingle roof.
@@crimewatch1217 I was going to say, 50years? In Michigan? No way. My current roof on the house I just bought is 30 years and is very very ad condition. Waiting for spring to put a new roof on.
Thank you for the analysis. It's helpful. We live at 6000 ft altitude and frequently get 50 mph gusts. At 15 years old, our roof started losing shingles. We began repairs then, but at 23 years old, the roof looks awful and has begun to leak a little. Our neighbors have an 18 year old metal roof and have had zero problems so far. It's beautiful and I'm guessing they rest a little easier at night during fire season, too.
There's definitely different levels of quality in both shingles and metal. If you have 3 tab shingles, they do blow off easily. I won't even install them anymore. Dimensional shingles have a wind rating of 110 MPH generally, though GAF came out with one (HDZ) that has an unlimited wind warranty for 15 years. Metal usually has a wind rating of 140 mph. But I can see how your neighbor might be sleeping better than you are! You should have your insurance look at your roof - they might help you out financially with a replacement. You could always pay out of pocket to upgrade to a better shingle or metal.
thank you for the heads up on the Gauge of roof. I'm asking roofers to quote and that is likely the difference in why the other guy is so much lower (maybe, we'll see)
I live in SE asia and we only use steel roofing since it's expected to face category 3 and 4 hurricanes once a year. It's also typically screwed on instead of nailed since newer roofing frames are made of steel too.
I always love to learn how roofing is done in other geographical areas and countries/continents. Metal roofing is used a lot here in the US in commercial projects, for sure, and also more and more in residential. Most of our houses are framed with wood while most commercial projects use steel/metal. We also use screws in the metal - nails just pull out too easily. For shingles, we use nails. Some people even use staples but that's a pretty cheap way to do it.
@@amifeller 1 year late, but most middle income houses and above here in the Philippines are made of concrete slabs reinforced with rebar with hollow blocks for walls and almost always have a metal roof on top. Well, we have no choice since we are goeographically and geologically fucked. We experience multiple earthquakes and up to more than 20 typhoons in a year.
@@Klbkchhezeim I don't mind that it's a year later. I kind of like it. I am always fascinated to see how they do roofing in other countries - it can be a lot different. I've noticed in Mexico and down toward South America there is much more concrete used and I often see rebar sticking up out of the structures, like they are not finished yet. I have yet to visit the Phillipines - it definitely sounds like it has its challenges, but I also know a lot of beautiful people from that area.
If metal roofing save 10% off your AC bill then the initial higher price will be off set by lower electrical bills. They also make metal shingles that are coated with stone so they look almost the same as architectural shingles if one wants that look.
Yep my house was built in 1986 by a retired electrical engineer who worked for power companies in electricl distribution.. He built a all electric home that has 6 inch wrapped walls, 14 inches of ins in the attic with walkways, tripple pane wiindows with a solar hot water heater and two stage heat pump. Everything available in 1986 including a thermostatically controlled woodburning stove. When he sold me the house two years later he had the electric bills to show me. The thing he said was electric and water bills will only go up right along with taxes so any expeditures to save on heating and cooling will pay off in the long term. The shingles are the only thing I wish he would not have done but back then standing seam was not that popular only tile was around then on expensive homes. We have a lot of r panel roofs going on but those folks will be moving on way before they need another roof and they probably did not understand the exposed screw thing.
I have seen shingles that lasted 40 years. And plenty of 30 year shingles that lasted their 30 years. Technology is changing all the time. Where I live though, the odds of hail storm getting you before you get to year 50 are pretty high. :-) But the hail storm gets the metal roof too.
I’m in Northern Michigan with an asphalt shingles, my roof pitches face east and west so not full sun on it. I’m on 26 years on it and it’s still in great shape.
After a tornado just ripped the shingles off, I was thinking about replacing with a metal roof, but now, I'm more inclined to stay with the shingle roof.. Thanks for the video, good info.. edit was for error in spelling
I put my metal roof on for one reason and one reason only; snow load! When I had comp shingles on my 1956, home owner built, wood framed, split level home, the snow would sit on the roof. And over the years it drove the perimeter foundation into the dirt; leaving the interior foundation high. This new metal roof builds up snow to about 6 to 8 inches, then slides off. I used 1/2 inch thk foam insulation to enhance the comfort level, both hot and cold. I am completely satisfied. What little waste I had I used on out buildings.
ROGER CAMARGO What is this “snow” you speak of??? 😂 That’s a great point, in all seriousness. I’m just in south Texas and that’s not much of an issue for us.
Sliding snow ends up landing somewhere. Often that's on your landscaping plants, in front of your back door and all around your foundation etc. That excess snow near your foundation can cause problems under your house.
I just had my roof done and had 5 different contractors give me estimates The metal roof costs almost 3 times as much. When you factor in the cost vs duration they're about the same since 3 shingle roofs costs about the same as standing seam. That being said, if I was rich, I would 100% get the metal roof.
I 100% agree with you - and not everyone can afford it. I think it also depends on the house and aesthetics and the neighborhood. But I agree. Metal lasts longer - but ironically, shingle manufacturers offer a longer manufacturer warranty than metal manufacturers - I think it’s because they got burnt when they first started making metal. They made it out of galvanized metal and it didn’t hold up and they had these manufacturer warranties they couldn’t honor. A lot of companies went bankrupt over it. Now they are gun shy but it’s galvalume metal.
I live a little north in central tx. I am 75 and bought my first new house in 1971. I have never had any of the shingle roofs last more than 20 years and they should have been redone at 15 probably. After I got smarter I started using timberline shingles and they might have been better but the last reroof seemed to be thinner timberlines than the one before. I still have the one before on a garage and those shingles look thicker to me. Maybe mccoys got to me but I don't think so. The timbeline roof I have on my house now at 9 years looks kinda bad but I think it might be oak tree pollen residue because the rear 1/2 looks worse than the front 1/2 and I really haven't found any particles on the concrete drive under the rear edges. I would have gone with a standing seam roof the second time around but I don't think there are any good contractors that really know how to do the edges and the underlayment. Yes there are some that can make it look pretty good but the craft is in the craftsman not necessarily the material.
A bad install on a metal roof is a nightmare. They are very difficult to repair if installed improperly - you are quite right! Hey, you can clean that algae off your roof! Do a search for a "softwash" company in your area. If you want help finding one, let me know! They take that stuff right off.
Another possible reason for why one half of your house looks worse than the other, is because of the sunlight that it is exposed to.. believe it or not, but the afternoon sun, and sunsets are harder on asphalt shingles than the Morning sun
@@timbibin1301 Yes, it can do that to colored metal as well. And algae takes a toll on shingles here in Texas, generally on the north side of the house. Metal can gather algae, but it can be washed off easier. (You can clean it off shingles with a softwash process).
@@timbibin1301 You're absolutely right about the afternoon sun. We don't have trees, moss or algae here so that's entirely heat and uv light. The west side of my roof started looking bad and curling on the edges after about 13 years. We got our insurance cancelled over it. Allstate didn't even give us a chance to get a new roof before they pulled the plug on our policy.
individual 'sets' or as they say, 'screws made on fridays' won't match bolts on made on monday'.. - ( what's more odd is that.. ( all the roofers in Fl i know won't use GAF / Timberline roofing.. ' they all think they think they found the best architectural shingle instead... -=-- just saying..- ( i put them on my garage..) no problem that was only a year ago ) but, , - NOW.. i have to do whole house i'm thinking*
Shingles have come a long way - the technology is better than it used to be. GAF Timberline HD shingles used to be rated for 110 mph winds - now their HDZ shingle just has a 15 year wind warranty - no limit on mph for that. We have a "tornado alley" here east of IH35, and they do hold up just fine even in tornado weather.
I want a metal roof, I think, but the roofer I'm talking to is discouraging me with some of the same reasons you have listed. The one thing I forgot to ask him (and would like to ask in relation to this video) is about certain self-sufficiency goals I have: rainwater collection and attaching solar panels. These are important goals to me, and I've heard metal roofs are a better choice - especially for the water collection. You don't want your collected rainwater for a garden, to have run over a lot of asphalt. Do you agree, or no?
Metal roofs are much much better for rain water collection than shingle roofs. They shed more water (shingles tend to absorb a certain amount) and the water itself is also generally cleaner. I absolutely agree. I don't know that I see any advantage or disadvantage regarding solar panels though. To be honest, it pains me to see someone attach something through the face of a roof no matter what type of roof it is! My biggest suggestion regarding solar is if you are going to get it and if your roof is at all questionable, replace your roof first. Once the solar panels are installed, roof replacement takes on a whole new level of difficulty (and expense).
The 50 year for shingles vs. the 25 year for metal is the average manufacturers warranty. In reality, here in Kansas/Oklahoma area, you're going to get about 15-25 years on a shingle roof before it starts looking bad and getting near it's "time to think about replacing". That's unless you get wind or hail damage beforehand, which is a very good likelihood in tornado country. I would definitely go metal if I could afford the up front cost.
The manufacturer warranty periods aren't really up for debate and a lot of folks want to argue about them - I am glad your comment is more about what happens in "reality" than what the manufacturer warranties. I agree that many shingles historically have only lasted 15-25 years. The shingle my builder used on my house in 2004 only lasted 12 years with no wind or hail damage!!!! So I get it. But the shingle manufacturers have invested so much in R&D, and they have improved products drastically. This includes changes to the mat, the tar/asphalt mix, the adhesive and the granules. My manufacturer is GAF and I can attest to these improvements. We are not using the same shingles we used in 2004 and they WILL last a lot longer than the shingles of old - even with wind and hail in many cases (it depends on the shingle and the manufacturer). All that said, a lot of metal is definitely more hail and wind resistant than a lot of shingles, but even so, metal is not indestructible either and a lot of it relies on a professional installation.
Amazing information broken down and very easy to understand. By far one of the best videos on roofs that I've seen. Thank you and please keep the videos coming. 🤗
It is! Although the pocket change you get from it is not as good as it used to be. I wish they'd go back to recycling shingle roofs. They've tried with mixed success. It's great for road base, but sorting it has been price inhibitive.
The technology has come a long ways in the past 10-15 years. I've seen roofs in Texas that lasted 40 years on a 30 year shingle. Of course, at least in Texas, your roof will likely get taken out by hail before you ever get to year 50!
Timothy Keith They would if they did not get hailed on. That’s the problem in Texas - hail! My neighborhood does not get a lot of it, but still, about every two years we get marble size, and over time, that will take its toll on a shingle roof. I’ve seen a 40 year shingle that lasted 40!
In Florida, since I believe that the insurance companies stated they would drop a majority of policies or would end up moving out of the state, the legislature passed a law that roofs have to be replaced at 20 years regardless of the condition of the roof or the length of the warranty. This of course is putting a burden on many homeowners as the cost for replacing a roof has gone up by as much as 400% from less than 5 years ago. In my neighborhood of 28 homes, over half have already had roofs replaced just recently or they are planning on having them replaced in accordance with the insurance company's deadline.
That's all pretty interesting. In Texas, insurance drop customers after 10-15 years even though the materials are warrantied for much longer. I can't imagine passing a law though that forces people to do home maintenance - there are so many houses I see that are waaaaaaay past needing a roof. Can the government do that? We are getting into politics, but I wouldn't think Florida would let that fly after all I've heard about them during Covid! Ha!
@@rooferchicks Our Governor Desantis realized that insurance companies, with State Farm leading them, threatened to either drop thousands of policies or to move out of the state. Desantis and the Legislature compromised and solved the problem as best they could. I blame all of this on Joe Biden. His administration has made everything so expensive, especially for businesses, that the insurance companies were forced to pay exorbitent amounts for repairs or replacement of homes and just couldn't stay in business without acceptable profit.
The seller to me of my house, had a shingle over done in 2004, and one year ago (making it 19 years old) I had leaks over a large area. The original roof underneath is from 1990 (34 years old), so I wasn't going to go looking for the sources of the leaks. So, as a longer term "temp" fix, rather than put down a tarp over the area, I screwed down some metal roof panels over the area, all the way up to a ridge cap. One hot Florida Summer day (I am just North of Orlando), I went up there with a temperature gun and took the heat readings of the shingle area, and right next to it the metal roof panel, and 6 feet away a flat roof area that is painted with a cool roof coating. The Shingle roof was 157F, the metal roof 90 degrease (about the same as the outside temperature) and the flat roof was 111F. There's a big negative for shingle roofs! Just figuring a conservative savings of $50 per month over 25 years on a metal roof, that adds up to $15,000 in electrical savings. For a new roof, I have a good quote from a reputable roofer for a shingle roof, of $15,000. I have a quote from a 5 star with 850 reviews metal roofer for 1"x16" 24ga Standing seam clip type for $36,000. If I can squeeze out an additional $20 a month in electrical savings I will break even saving $21,000 price difference over the 25 years. Something to think about when comparing metal and shingle.
That all sounds about exactly right! Metal roofs are reflective and so are more energy efficient. I think I failed to mention that in this video. And that it costs 2-3x more than shingles is also right (and tells me you're getting a good quality metal roof, which is great).
The is NO way a shingle will last 50 years !! Shingle warranties are full of loop holes to keep anyone from collecting any kind of warranty on that 50 year marketing tool . Use your eye test . How many old barns have in use metal roofs ? How many old buildings have original shingle roofs ? Why do commercial buildings use metal ? Sorry roofing sister but the GAF rep has lied to you . Metal rocks I’ve done many metal roofs and only had 1 roof ever get close to 30 percent waste .
I've seen plenty of shingle roofs last as the long as the manufacturer says - the trick is that they cannot be exposed to a severe wind or hail storm. But it happens all the time. And this is mostly a discussion about manufacturer warranties, and the actual warranties are not as strong as they are in the shingle world, at least not for Berridge, which is what I primarily use. Also on the waste thing.... I think I've addressed it multiple times in these comments, but..... Let me find it again lol. Stand by.
Meh I can't find it. So here we go. A couple points. If you order a coil of metal that is 1000 SF, you are not going to get 1000 SF of coverage. There's just no way - a lot of the metal gets eaten up by the seams, and also varies on how high you make them (1"-2"). If you buy 10 squares of shingles, shingles don't include the unexposed part of the shingle in their calculation (otherwise you'd lose 50%). So 1000 SF of shingles actually covers 1000 SF, less the cuts. If you are on a wide open run, it will cover 1000 SF. Also with shingles, you can often easily reuse portions that you have cut off on another area on the roof - not so much with metal. All the cuts made in the valleys and on hips are basically trash. If you roll your metal on site, you have less waste, of course, than if you pre-order panels. But either way, most of it cannot be reused. Next point - it's all just math. If I use 30% waste and charge $600 per square, but you use 10% waste and charge $700 a square, we are at the same place. So arguing about waste amounts used is kinda silly.
I live in Maine and IMO, the best reason for Metal is "snow load." Much lighter than shingles and most likely to shed snow on a shallow pitch, 4/12 or very common 5/12 pitch roofs.
I would agree that’s a definite advantage! We don’t get much snow here in central Texas 🤣. It’s also why up north you have steeper pitched roofs, generally.
A lot depends on the climate where you live. There's no way an asphalt shingle roof will last 50 years in the Arizona sun. Most won't last longer than 20 years. A metal roof will easily last two to three times as long.
David Walser I find this to be a misconception. I am in the San Antonio area, which is extremely high temperature and high humidity, and at least here, the shingles last as long as they say they will unless affected by adverse weather (wind, hail). Also, my manufacturer (GAF) backs up their 50 year shingle with a full warranty (not pro-rated). So even if it didn’t last, that’s when the warranty would kick in (which I rarely see - a manufacturer defect). Yes, metal can last longer - and so can shingles. 😃
@@rooferchicks Well, maybe they've improved asphalt shingles over the last few years. Our home was built in 1984. It has a tile roof. Last year we finally did a 'lift and replace' refurbishment. That is, our roofer took off our old tiles, removed the underlayment that had slowly been destroyed by the heat, replaced any of the plywood decking that had been damaged (two sheets on the entire house), and then reinstalled the original tiles. We should be good for another 30+ years (the underlayment is a higher grade tarpaper than what was originally installed). Our next-door neighbor is on their 3rd asphalt shingle roof over the same time frame. And, no, they aren't cheap 3-tab shingles. One of those was hail damage, but still... I've never lived in the San Antonio area, but I did live in Dallas. Texas gets hot and it gets a lot of sun. But, you guys don't get nearly as many 100+ and 110+ days as we do in Arizona. Nor is the infrared radiation from the sun as intense there as it is here. I believe that's because we have a lot less humidity, so there's literally less between us and the sun's rays. Whatever the technical explanation, having lived both places, I can tell from experience that the sun is much more intense here.
David Walser I was in Phoenix when I was maybe 14 (1989?) on it’s then hottest day on record 122°. Our car overheated and we had to drive with the windows down. My cousins pool when we arrived was an image I’ll never forget. Yes, it’s definitely hot and definitely dry! I can see there might be differences in shingle wear. Here it’s so humid, we struggle with algae stain on the shingles - it can look really gross, but also makes it easy to tell which way North is! 😂
@@DKWalser yep my cousin lives in phoenix and all the houses in his neighborhood have til roofs. I wonder why there is not a 100 year underlayment available for tile roofs? like a urethane instead of tar paper?
I've been a metal roofing installer for the last 15 years I have to say this woman has absolutely no idea what she's talking about I would compare any of my metal roofs against her asphalt shingles any day for the next 50 years
What part do I not know what I'm talking about? The wind resistance? Reflectivity? How long they last? Pretty broad statement there! Hugs and love and kisses to you, my friend. ;-)
@@amifeller well metal last longer more cooler more energy efficient lighter stronger. Comes with a lifetime or 40 year warranty on a 29 gauge 5 rib panel 40 colors to choose from installed properly someone midlife will never have to worry about it again
Patrick Mccall what manufacturer gives a 40 year warranty on 29 gauge metal? That seems crazy to me. 29 gauge bends and crinkles if you look at it crooked. 😂
Patrick Mccall looks like they have a 40 year paint warranty, which is impressive. 😁 Their galvallum has a 25 year substrate warranty. Metal is good and it lasts. I’m not arguing that. But it’s a myth that it lasts for forever. Have a great weekend!
yes but the quality of the install is in the craftsmanship of the installers. Nearly anyone will try to be a roofer just look around. After two weeks on the job they go into business for themselves undercutting the good installers.
Shingle roofs are great for roofers because they get to change them every 15yrs after a good wind storm pulls most of them off or bends and damages most of them. Metal roofs are great for customers because put it on and its good for 50yrs and if you cool seal it, (liquid silicone that hardens) it will seal all the screws and seams and protect the metal so it could last 75yrs easy
We do use a coating that is ceramic on many screw down metal roofs. It's an amazing product, and easy to reapply. I have also seen plenty of shingle roofs last longer than 15 years - you are right, a good hail storm and generally they are done. But I have also replaced several metal roofs from hail damage. Currently I'm super interested in the F Wave shingle. Have you heard of it? I watched it demonstrated - pretty amazing stuff - I want to put it on a project!
@@amifeller never heard of the F-wave shingle, I'll check it out, but for me all my roofs are corrugated galvalum, (55% aluminum, 45% galvanized steel) metal then cool sealed so I know my roofs are good for 80yrs baring heavy hail or a direct hit from a tornado.
No she actually only talks about putting screws through the metal roof. She never talked about standing seam or metal roofing without external fasteners Huge difference between putting holes through the metal and no external fasteners
Timothy Randolph I don't need to watch it again. The first 1 minute and 40 seconds she says what she is comparing and it's not standing seam she is comparing to shingles. I put the burden of proving she said she was comparing shingles to standing seam on you. What minute and second do you claim she compared standing seam to shingles?
Timothy Randolph Actually I have worked on roofs in my younger days. Hot tar , rubber and shingle only a few metal roofs that I was involved in. I’ve been doing cat scans for over 30 years Occupation has nothing to do with the content of this video. It’s simple just state what part of the video she compared standing seam with shingles. You can’t because she didn’t. You chose to make the comment that she did but she didn’t..
At 5 minutes 39 seconds she references standing seam. She doesn't really specify on any other parameters, which type of metal she's referencing, other than the guage and the wind speed rating.
Im live in florida next to the water. Don’t know what kind of roof i should put in my house. I wanted metal, but Metal roof will be voided warranty because next to the beach. But the roofer still recommended standing seam metal over shingle. Please help me make decisions asap, thanks.
GAF's Timberline HDZ shingle has a 15 year unlimited wind warranty. You might ask your contractor to use 6 nails instead of 4. It's a very awesome shingle!
@@rooferchicks I highly reccommend any homeowner to keep their receipts on any shingle purchase because they will probably need it when the warranty is used.
@@charleswittmer2477 Definitely! I have seen so many homeowners that can't find their invoice - if there's ever a manufacturer warranty, you have to be able to prove for sure what brand it was. There are companies that can help with that, but it's far easier with a receipt - whether from the installation company or for the materials themselves.
alan headrick You probably get more wind activity than we do in San Antonio. But if you 6-nail instead of only using 4 nails, that helps. Also, buy an after market warranty from GAF - they stand behind their product. If it fails prematurely, they cover materials and labor. Metal roofs are nice too! Just you’re right - $$$
These are manufacturer warranties, I did not write them. You are more than welcome to look them up on their website. 🤷🏼♀️ I would say that on the Guadalupe side of I-35 the roofs last a lot longer than on the hill country side.
I live in the desert and was told by several people I'd be lucky to have a shingle roof last 15 years and many people here get at least 30 years out of a metal roof. But based off what I've seen so far, seems like metal might be the way to go.
I am not quite in the desert (near San Antonio, Texas) but almost and I have definitely seen shingles last 30-40 years. We are humid here (unlike the desert) so our roofs tend to gather algae. Metal is great - it's just more expensive and you need to make sure you have a good installer.
@@rooferchicks I have a 3-tab (from the days when architectural shingles were a new thing not commonly being used) in an exposed environment with 90+ degree and 14 hr summer days and regular 2 feet of snow accumulations on the shingles during winter. My 20 yr roof is at 30 yrs right now, is in pretty great shape. Only need for a reroof is due to additions added where the roof is patched in (not well).
@@Redandranger Exactly! Without adverse weather conditions, shingles can last a long time. Do you know what brand they are? They used to make 3 tabs a lot better than they are today, that's for sure. That's all we installed in 1994 when I started.
This is all a discussion about manufacturer warranties, and I'm not one who wrote them! Lol. I see plenty of shingle roofs in Texas last a long time, so long as they don't get hailed on. We do get a lot of hail, but it definitely has geographical patterns (some areas get hit all the time and some rarely/never get hit).
I believe that! I do wonder why as shingles have improved, why don't insurance companies adjust? But I'm sure it's to protect themselves and keep their numbers in the black.
50 years shingles last ? , woooo I dont know then why in my area here in Alberta people is changing shingles after 10 or 15 years , does the colour not match in their minds ?
50 year shingles last if you don’t have an act of God like hail or hurricanes. Here in Texas, we get a good amount of hail in some areas. But big enough hail damages metal too.
@@amifeller I built my shop in about 1994. I will never put another screw through a exposed area on a metal roof again. The rubber washers are good for about 15 years at best. Carports or awning maybe but never again on a shop metal building.
@@charleswittmer2477 totally agree! Standing seam is by far the better product with less (or no) maintenance because the fasteners are hidden. Here, we still do some screw down roofs though, mostly for the "historical" look on the older houses. I charge the same amount for the screw down as I do for standing seam - the materials cost less, but the labor costs more. And it opens me up to more warranties than the standing seam.
I liked your video, but I had to give the thumbs down. Waste? I wasted 30 square feet on a 2000sq ft roof, and on a smaller 750square foot I cut exactly 1" off the last two 13'6" sheets... the LAST shingle roof I replaced was 12 years old... where are my other 38 years? Cost? My last metal roof was $1500 cheaper ($10500 vs $12000 shingles). Neighborhood? Yes my neighbors all have shingles, and i watch at least 3 roofs get done every summer, last weekend my neighbor on both sides were both doing them... yep, mines still good... Roofer chick... I think you're wrong. If you got 50 year shingles, i'd love to see it. FURTHER more, in a community near by me it was an old mill town, the houses are from the 40's and 50's, for fun a few weekends ago, i did a survey... 90% were metal roof, and over 50% of them were the ORIGINAL metal... so where are you getting this 25 year life cycle on metal when I drive by hundreds every week that are pushing 80... yes they probably are getting close to end of life, but 25 vs 80? C'mon Chick!!!
We also have metal roofs in my town from the 1920's - but they all need to be replaced desperately. No one wants to do that though, because they look cool. It's "the look" here, and I get it. Have you heard of Gruene Dance Hall? It's a world famous dance hall, and replacing that rusted out roof is going to change the whole look of the place. Anywho.... Let me see if I can answer everything you say. Metal does have more waste - if you buy 30 bundles of shingles and don't make any cuts or do anything funky - just lay them out like you are supposed to, you will get very, very close to 1000 SF of coverage. If you take a 1000 SF coil of metal and install it the same way - no hips, no valleys - just lay it out, it will not cover 1000 SF. It won't cover 1000 SF because a significant portion of the material is rolled into the seams - for example, our coils are about 21" wide when we buy them, but an installed panel is only 18" wide. So there's 14% right there. But really, it's silly to argue about, because it's really just how I estimate. Say I charge $550 a square with 30% waste. So I take a roof that 2900 SF, multiple by 1.3 (3770), divide my 100 (to convert to squares, 37.7) and multiply by $550 and I get $20,735. My competitor says, "That's INSANE - 30% waste is STUPID - I only use 15% waste!" But he charges $620 a square. It's a silly thing to argue about. But yes, metal inherently has more waste than shingles - shingles overlap by about 50%, but the manufacturers don't include the overlap in their coverage amounts, and metal manufacturers do.
Okay that response got lengthy so I'm starting another one. We can argue about shingles all day long. You don't have to believe me. But let me tell you this - in my home town of Marshalltown Iowa after the July 2018 tornado, we installed about 200 GAF Timberline HD roofs. This year, did you hear about the Derecho? I had never heard of a derecho before - but it hit my hometown AGAIN, and worse than the tornado as far as wind damages (it had a far wider path than a tornado). Winds of 170 MPH. Look it up, I'm not lying. Not a SINGLE one of the roofs we did in 2018 were missing a SINGLE shingle. It's amazing. We did a Certainteed roof, and some of it blew off (beautiful designer shingle). Anyway, goes to say, not all shingles are created equal, and metal is only rated for 140 MPH and I saw plenty of those damaged by the derecho.
Last comment. The video compares manufacturer warranties of the product they product. I'm not the one who decided what their warranties are. They are!!!! Back in the 80's, galvanized roofing was the rage. Remember that? And they claimed it will last for forever and several manufacturers and installers gave these crazy warranties. And guess what? Galvanized metal rusts. So those roofs are all failing now, and a lot of companies went bankrupt over it. Now they produce galvallum, and the manufacturers are a little more cautious about their promises!
@@amifeller Well that thought cross my mind, I looked more in to GAF roofing, I love the valleys and I love their underlay. That often the weakest point of traditional asphalt installation. I must admit you've done the right thing, you've picked a controversial subject, and made it catch peoples attention enough to get them motivated to comment, post, repost, reply, etc. You don't have to be right to make money with youtube, you have to get views.. this is one way to do it. Now comparing 50yr to 25yr color fade is kind of maybe not all that fair, but .... i'll roll with it. I really do appreciate people to take the time to make these videos. I have done a lot of building, and love keeping up with the science of building.
@@666dynomax I have to get used to not letting it ruin my day when people strongly disagree with me. I'm too sensitive lol. I'm getting better at it though! I don't know that I'll ever make money with RUclips, but it is a lot of fun getting subscribers and having people from everywhere message me for advice (especially off my DIY videos).
50 years out of a shingle roof in FL is unheard of and even if it did last 50 Insurance won't cover a house with a shingle roof over ten years old anyway. I know up north it's different but here metal is so much better and oddly the labor is the majority of it so DIY metal is by far better value if done right.
Even here a lot of insurance companies won't cover a shingle roof over 15 years, which I think is pretty short-sighted of them. They just haven't updated it ever even though technology has improved. Our metal prices in Texas skyrocketed after Covid, but you're right, labor is a major part of the cost. For us, that's because we can put a shingle roof on in a day, but a metal roof of the same size can take 4-5 days. It's just more work. But it can be worth it in the right environment or for the right look.
Agreed on the fire ratings. On impact resistant there are metals and shingles that qualify. What scares me about that is usually people then sign a waiver for their insurance agreeing that hail damage is just cosmetic. So if the storm comes, you don’t have much coverage.
It really varies a lot on the brand and type of shingle. I had crappy three tab shingle on my roof and they failed at 12 years. But if you buy a good brand that has the technology to support the warranty, they do not fail in 12 years. Shingles are not a simple commodity - brand, style, and warranties matter a lot.
I'm undecided. I live in A VERY windy location. I currently have shingles. Wind damaged much of it. It is seriously bad. But the singles are old. I had a metal roof contractor give me a quote. Then I had several shingle roofing companies give me quotes. The shingles were always more expensive because the roofers all told me that because the current roof is nailed directly on "barn boards", they have to lay new plywood down on the entire roof. Whereas the metal roof contractor told me he'll just strap the old roof and put metal right on top. An experienced, well-respected real estate agent told me to go for shingles because it looks better, and because metal roofs that are strapped on typically have issues with ventilation, and premature rot in the future. So hearing all this, I'm confused. Do any of you have a good piece of advice?
Yes, if the shinglers have to install decking, it can get expensive - but at least in my market, it's still less than a metal roof for me. Also, just FYI, GAF Timberline HDZ shingles have a 15 year unlimited wind warranty! With metal roofs, you can put them on on spaced out decking or purlins, yes. But I always encourage homeowners to have a solid deck - it is stronger structurally, has more R value, and reduces the noise when it storms. My personal opinion in general is that shingle roofs look better, but that's just my personal opinion. On certain houses, metal looks amazing - to me it takes the right house. They do say that roofing is one of the few home improvements where you will get 100% of your investment back in the sale of the home - so whatever you choose, I hope you find some peace in that.
Oh, and don't let your metal guy roof over an existing roof - get it all torn off - that's just a bad practice. I'd be cautious of his work quality if that's his plan.
Well, that's an interesting question. It will leak though - that's the short answer. You can try filling it with NP1 or another sealant for a short term fix, but eventually UV light will break that down. I've replaced panels over this issue..... I've seen projects where an entire line of fasteners missed - since there's nothing to grip to, it won't stay sealed.
What about using pop rivets? Maybe a pop rivet with a gasket on it. I have used this method to plug holes, but I don't know if it would work well on already installed metal sheets.
@@mrcleanisin I don't know if you could get a washer under a pop rivet or not? It would be interesting to try. You could install something on the other side for the screw to go into I suppose - if you can get up there. I know one I looked at it was at a community gymnasium and we would have needed a pretty good sized lift to get up to the hole.
A asphalt roof will never last 50 years especially GAF. I’ve seen GAF roofs fail within 5 years of installation and the manufacture does not have the integrity to admit they put out a faulty product. The company I work for only uses Certainteed. It’s all around a better shingle and it’s actually zoned for specific climate areas. And they honor they’re warranties. I work in Fortworth Texas and I’d never consider putting GAF on a house. The only good thing they have is marketing. And they are cheap which roofers love because they make more money.
That's unfortunate you've had such bad experiences with GAF. I had one roof that I put on that had a manufacturer warranty (3 tab shingles that didn't seal) and they replaced the entire roof, true to their word. I've had wonderful experiences with them. Maybe their customer service varies in different regions?
Just had Hy Grade Roofing install a metal roof at my house. Worst decision I could have made. They promised to install the roof in 4-6 weeks, of course they were late. When they finally showed up without the proper equipment and damaged my property. They are really proud of the “Quality Audit” that they do, but of course they won’t give you a copy of the audit…lol BTW -the “Quality Audit” they did at my house consisted of 2 guys coming over to pickup the leftover junk they left at my house for a month. They never even went up on the roof! Save your money use someone else!
I'm so so sorry you had such a negative experience! You might consider getting a 3rd party to inspect the roof if you feel uneasy about it. The contractor should offer to pay for it (I've paid for a couple myself)
I almost got a metal but roof but switched my mind when I thought about screws through metal which should come lose at some point, that killed the deal, and the standing seam metal was out of cost range.
It is expensive to put on standing seam. Especially to put it on RIGHT. I personally prefer shingles - from what I see they last just as long, are easier to repair, and in my opinion, I like the way they look more.
@@amifeller Out in the country which also is around New Braunfels, I spent my best summers in NB in the 60's on the comal, my uncles place in comal estates has tile roofs on his houses, standing seam is on most of the expensive houses built in the last 5 years that I see. Maybe not in town though, city people are different than country folk.
@@charleswittmer2477 We have quite a few neighborhoods going up - especially out 1863 and 46 to the west - that have the tile and metal roofs only. I think some don't allow shingles at all. I love tile roofs! We are actually putting one on right now off 1863. That's awesome that you know NB - I moved her in 2003 and I never want to live anywhere else. I was born in Iowa.
What if I am a do it myselfer on a very tight budget. I built most of my house by myself. I roofed most of it with my dad. He is too old now and I have to roof it alone. I am 55 and think if I go with a 50 year shingle it should be my last roof.
As long as you are not in an area that is prone to hail, it should be your last roof! There are a lot of how to videos out there on how to do a roof, and also the manufacturer web site and packaging has installation instructions. If you have any questions, holler! I will answer them as best as I can. Use drip edge - do not line up your starter row with your first row of shingles - use a chalk line every few rows.... those are my big words of advice on things you cannot fix after the fact. Don't drink and roof lol.
I got installed the GAF Fortitude shingle through Power Home Remodeling with a 50 years warranty. Any one on the GAF Fortitude vs the GAF Timberline? 😀
Well you just taught me something new! We are a Master Elite with GAF and we install Timberline HDZ. I had not heard of Power Home Remodeling or Fortitude, but according to my territory manager, it's a private label for them with a bit of a color variation from the Timberline HDZ. I'd be curious to to learn more about working with Power Home. I visited the website. How was the experience? Do you have a cost comparison to using other contractors? Was it worth it?
Have fun with that warranty. GAF denied all of my neighbors when they failed in 10 years citing hurricane damage even though there was no hurricane damage lol.
80 percent of the homes roofed with metal is 29 gauge. The first thing she said was 29 gauge metal is crap. I know many people with these roofs including myself and they work and look great. The metal paint has a 40 year warranty that covers chipping, flaking, peeling and fading. The screws they use are also warranted for 40 years. Be careful of what you're told people.
the screws will last forever, it is the sealing washers that won't make it past 20 years believe me I know. You can spend some money and have the screws and metal repainted with a thick coating but that is more for comercial buildings bu it is very good stuff and saves the cost of trying to unscrew and replace all the screws, sometimes when the seals leak the metal gets rusted out and it makes a hole to big to fix with a washer and new rubber seal or the screw is rusted and breaks off when you try to remove it. Believe me I know. The difference in the coatings on the metal varies a lot that is a lot of the cost in making the panels. In the 60's I worked in a manufacturing plant that made lifetime filling stations. They were porcelain panels that interlocked together like standing seam. The only time you found any corrosion was if they got chipped. I never saw one that was hail damaged.
@@charleswittmer2477 Yes, agreed! The gaskets give out. We do coatings quite a bit - it is far less expensive than an all new roof. The rust grip is silver too, so it still looks like metal. We use tape to do repairs on larger holes prior to coating it.
You don’t know what you’re talking about, in Florida some insurance companies are dropping customers if the asphalt roof over ten years old. Asphalt shingles will not last fifty years that bs. And 100 miles winds will blow them off and not counting for catching fire.
I'm stating facts based on manufacturer warranties and 20 years of experience. Sorry you think that's ignorant! You are right about insurance companies dropping roofs - here it is at 15 years not 10, but the same thing for some carriers. Not all though. The insurance industry has not recognized that shingles are lasting longer EXCEPT they do with Class IV shingles and are giving discounts. We have started installing a lot of Class IV roofs lately. Also, I have seen 100 mph winds (even less) blow off a metal roof, too. And I've seen shingle roofs withstand 100mph winds (tornado in Marshalltown, IA in 2018 and Derecho in 2020). I hope your online social skills keep getting better and better!
@@rooferchicks you are selling a product, I have live long enough to know better. I don’t know of anybody that thinks shingles last 50 years. The house we once live in has three roofs put on it in 26 years we lived in it. Most of these people that put roofs on are immigrants, they care less. Ten years! Who remembers them like the roof company. There is more fraud and who can hold a shingle manufacturer after ten or fifteen years for a bad roof. You are to be ashamed telling your nonsense. People like you are the reason why insurance companies are cracking down on asphalt shingle roofing companies. You say 15 years, there’s a reason. And you say 50? It not the product but insurance are taking the risk.And dropping policies like in Florida, I just got thought putting a roof on my house, I paid three times what a asphalt shingle roof cost, I got burn before , tell the truth.
Saying that something “for reals” last 50 years and saying you’ve seen (occasionally) shingle roofs last 30-50 years are two complete different things. Saying one manufacturer warranties their shingles for 50yrs is not the same as stating that all shingle roofs last 50 years. This videos is misleading.
I'll save you a lot of time. Go with metal roof, cool seal it, (liquid silicone that hardens and seals seams and screws and protects metal) and never worry about your roof again baring a major hail or direct hit from a tornado as nothing can survive either one. Or go with shingle and maybe get 15yrs and you will be changing
I Live in south Texas outside of Houston 😒 And people here have to get new roofs about every 10 years…The last hail storm, we have them several times a year the hail was the size of cutie Oranges 🍊
Like most things manufacturere, strides in longevity are being made all the time. The shingle of 1980 is not the shingle of 2023. It's amazing how set we get in our thinking!
Definitely incorrect pertaining to asphalt shingles life expectancy. Exposure to the yearly elements & lack of maintenance to keep roof clear (leaves, gutters clogging, etc) drastically reduce life of asphalt materials. Properly vented attics is also a big concern for life of roofs. If able to afford, metal roofs are the one time solution to likely never having to replace the materials. Metal roof, virtually a lifetime investment one time. Asphalt, you will replace it twice for certain as to the metal. Also, try to get the asphalt company to back they're warranty on a claim, better pack a lunch because it will likely be wasted time since they claim it isn't installed to they're required specs. Bottom line, good & bad about both but this chic is misleading on some topics. Happy roofing.
I adamantly disagree with you that metal roofs will last for forever. That is a myth and I've seen plenty of metal roofs that need to be replaced. They do last a long time, however, I agree there. Tile roofs last the longest, but you have to replace the underlayment at some point. I have seen shingle roofs that last a long time. Like you say, it does depend on the maintenance, and also on acts of God. But acts of God hurt metal roofs, too.
Metal roofs are more energy efficient especially if you have the crinkle coat as it reflects heat away. Take a temp of your attic with shingles vs metal and you'll feel the difference.
Subscribe, like, and comment. This roofer chick replaces all the bull-headed, machismo, crap that plagues this industry and replaces it with sound advice!
What would you consider lasting 30,40,50 years for shingles? When is the signs of needing replacement, when its brittle but not leaking? I can't see my roof lasting 30yrs when it's barely 20yrs and it's brittle on the edges.
On how long shingles are warrantied, you have to check with each manufacturer. TAMKO is 30 years, GAF is 50 years. One of the biggest signs of worn out shingles is that the fiberglass mat starts to show - this usually starts at the shingle edges and works its way in - if you ever see a "shiny" shingle roof, it's gone way too far! Yes, another sign is brittleness - as roofs age, they dry out. This can make repairs difficult - in fact, an insurance adjuster may decide that your roof is not repairable and recommend replacement with just a few missing shingles. As long as a brittle roof doesn't need repair, it can still last a long time.
What is the base number of nails that my contractor should be putting in each shingle? He is coming tomorrow and I am trying to get base questions I should be asking.
The manufacturer requires 4. For some dimensional shingles if you use 6 instead of 4, your wind rating increases from 110 mph to 130 mph. GAF came out with a shingle this year that has an unlimited wind warranty for 15 years with 4 nails - Timberline HDZ - and that’s what we like to install.
@@amifeller Thank you so much for the information. I was going to get the 30yr shingle but I was not given a name brand yet. I will be asking for 6 nails per shingle. Is adding the extra two nails a drastic price increase?
Both should be leak resistant if installed properly. With pitches less than 3/12, there are modifications to be made. With shingles, they recommend using two layers of underlayment. Personally, that doesn't leave me feeling secure as the contractor carrying the warranty, so I always use ice and water shield under shingles on a 2/12 pitch (and I never install shingles with less than 2/12 pitch). With a metal roof, you might ask your installer about using 1.5" seams instead of just 1" (this is the height of the seam on each panel). A higher seam allows for higher water levels. Also, make sure the panels are double locked (crimped 2x).
@@rooferchicks Does the upper half of shingles get stuck down to the ice and water layer? I ask this because I'm trying to repair a small section(6"x 6') of the plywood at the top of the fascia where the gutter over flowed and got under the drip edge and behind the fascia and rotted it out and while I can get the nails out of the architectural shingles(15-18 yrs old), It seems like the top half of the shingles are super stuck to the ice and water membrain(or what ever it is, I know they put it on the entire roof when they replaced the entire decking when the roof was replaced.) Thanks and sorry for the long question.
@@rickl6697 The ice and water shield should be laid down first and the shingles go on top of that - they should not be under it. That sounds like a mess. Also, at the eave, you want whatever underlayment you are using to be on TOP of the drip edge so water doesn't flow under and behind it (rotting everything out).
@@amifeller The shingles are on top of the ice and water shield. By upper half I meant the half of the shingle that ends up under the next row of shingles. It's really the only part of the shingle that touches the ice and water shield. The architectural shingles(the visible part once the roof is done) are on top of the lower row of shingles. That's what I meant by upper half, not the upper surface. I didn't make that clear I guess. Shingles just don't want to let go of that ice and water shield and I'm sure I've got all the nails out.
@@rickl6697 The shingles are supposed to overlap like that. And ideally, if on top of the ice and water shield, they shouldn't be stuck. Sounds like a mess. You might end up having to pull out the decking and redo it if you cannot get it all unstuck. That's a drawback of the ice and water - it really doesn't like to come off. Best bet is trying to reuse it.
I will have a new roof. The original one has metal valley. The new one was proposed by the roofers to have ice and water shield without metal for the valley. I am in Austin. What is the best sulotion for the architectural shingle roof for the valley? The budget is enough and I am thinking if it is a good practice to have both ice and water shield and metal for the valley. Thanks for any inputs.
I have long thought to leave the valley metal if it is existing already, but to always use ice and water shield. Ice and water is the new valley metal, really. One of my guys was just telling me today that valley metal traps air and heat if it's not completely laid flat in the valley, which also makes sense. We use a cut valley or a California cut valley. Some people (like my brother ha ha) argue that California cut valleys leak - but I've never had one leak that we installed. On a cut valley - all of one side is installed and laid, then you lay the other side, snap a chalk line, and cut it. With a California valley, you lay a course of shingles along where you want the valley to be (by chalking a line) and then you place the corner of the rows to meet that shingle.... it's kind of hard to explain. Googling it would likely help. Long story short, it sounds like your roofer is right.
50 YEARS for a shingle roof??? LAUGHABLE!!!!!!!!!!! In Florida, NO MORE than 15 years and I didn't get even that much before problems, about 13 years. 21 years and counting on my clay tile roof and it's gone through a couple of hurricanes and 4 tropical storms.
You can laugh all you want, but that's the manufacturer's warranty if a homeowner stays in the home (with one transfer in the first 10 years). And they do hold up amazingly well, but not in hurricanes, no, or other natural disasters covered by insurance. And I agree with you - in my opinion, clay or concrete tile roofs will last the longest of all. Unfortunately, the home has to be built to hold the weight - it's not really an option for most homeowners in a reroof unless they already have one.
@@amifeller Have you read the manufacturers warranty? Do you know the replacement cost is for materials only and is pro-rated?? 75% of the cost is in the labor and other materials and since it's pro rated that means if your shingle roof fails in 15 years on a 30 year guarantee which is what mine were) you will STILL pay around $15K to replace a $20K roof. And I have yet to see a 30 year shingle roof last 30 years, it's 15-18 years tops. There are just too many weather and other factors that will affect the life. The beams in an attic can be reinforced to accept a tile roof.
@@charliesargent6225 I actually know a ton about the warranties. We primarily offer GAF Silver and Golden Pledge Warranties. The Golden Pledge offers non pro-rated warranty for the materials and also covers workmanship for 25 years. And the Silver covers 10 years of workmanship. I have actually replaced 3 roofs for customers through the GAF warranty program and none of my customers paid anything for their warrantied replacements. I think you are talking about standard manufacturer warranties and if so, what you are saying is true. I am a big believer in enhanced warranties for your new roof.
It’s a discussion about manufacturer warranties. You can view GAF’s warranty on their website. And I’ve seen many, many, many roofs with shingles older than 15-20 years. www.gaf.com/en-us/resources/warranties/residential
I do metal roofing and that 30% waste is just not true!!! My waste is less than 3%. If you have 30% waste, I feel bad for your customers and yourself. The metal companies are the only ones making the money 💰
freddie arvizu are you doing standing seam? Or screw down? Much of the waste in standing seam goes into the crimp where they overlap, and there’s no way around that. And of course, it depends on how cut up your roof is. A straight gable roof has far less waste than a roof with 15+ faces!
no she is charging the customer for the waste just like a fab shop in the metal fabricating business. Until the customer is educated that will continue. A correctly measured roof with a computer will compute the material very close some of the waste is in bad application and re cutting.
@@rooferchicks I'm beginning to understand the standing seam customers are being charged for a blank roll of metal as the material then they are charged for the forming of the panel then they are charged for the install? correct? I don't consider forming the ridges or crimp to be waste, it is part of the panel, the waste is the part you trow away or take back to the shop like the remainder of the roll of metal left over.
@@charleswittmer2477 when I do my math, I include it in the waste to get my numbers to come out right. There are different ways to do the math. I could do a lower waste percentage and a higher price per square and get the same result.
This lady is not really very familiar with metal roofing because of her limited knowledge of metal roofing products being manufactured. I’ve been installing metal roofs for more than a decade. A good quality metal roofing panel most generally comes with a 40 year and some even 50 year warranty. And the warranty or the quality of a panel is not really so much in the thickness/the gauge of the metal as in the paint application and how tightly the panel is rolled/formed. I’ve covered a lot of 30 and 50 year shingles that didn’t make half their warranty. Most of these companies had been gone out of business etc. at this point you know. Now I’m aware that part of this was due to a period of time where they manufactured a lot of shingles with recycled products. But even then, the area I live is flat with a lot of wind and shingles just are hardly worth the maintenance anymore to many homeowners. With all that in mind, it’s very easy to compete against asphalt shingle roofers . And prices are rarely double and often even comparable. Blessings
What I am comparing is manufacturer warranties. I am in Central Texas, and my main metal manufacturers' warranties are 20 and 25 years for the actual product. Paint warranties are longer (40 years generally but one of my manufacturers is only 20). Do you have a metal manufacturer you use that has a longer manufacturer warranty for their actual product (not the paint)? I would be interested to hear. And we use 24 gauge metal on our residential projects.
I think shingles and metal are both good for slopes 2:12 and greater. Metal even down to 1:12. On either material if the slope is less than 3:12 we use ice and water as our underlayment. Is that what you're referring to?
Yes, the 50 years is a manufacturer warranty for defects. It does not cover acts of God, like hurricanes. Here in Texas we have a lot of hail, but it kind of depends on where you live if you get it all the time or not. Where my house sits, I never get it. But 15 miles west of me, they get hail all the time. So my house has a real shot at longevity. Even metal is limited to 140 mph winds - so I am guessing the hurricanes gets some of the metal roofs too.
I wouldn't put an asphalt comp roof on if they gave it to me for free. Comp roofs are disposable junk and their prorated warranties aren't worth the shingle wrapper that they are written on. Just go to the local land fill where they dispose of them and look at the mountains of spent shingles. The U.S. and Canada are the only countries that use this inferior product on a large scale. Metal roofs can be pressure washed, primed and repainted when they start looking chalky and faded.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree! I've put many metal roofs in the landfill as well. I've also had GAF replace two roofs I've done (and I've done thousands) because of manufacturer defect, so they do honor the warranty.
@@amifeller Metal roofs are 100% recyclable, comp roof are not 100% throw away. I worked in roofing once and thats where I learned to hate comp roofs. The US and Canada are the only countries that use this inferior roofing material on a large scale.
@@martinschulz9381 There have been attempts made at recycling shingles. It's actually great to make more shingles and as road base. But unfortunately, it's cost prohibitive to sort out the items the need to be removed (felt paper, pipe jacks, etc). It's unfortunate. I really do wish they would find a way to make it work.
Yes, definitely. The only thing is sometimes, especially on older homes, they install metal on purlins instead of a solid deck. Shingles need a solid deck, which can be expensive to add (but always better, even under metal roofs). You can usually tell if the deck is solid by looking from inside the attic.
Shingles don’t last 50 years people, how often does she an architectural shingle less than 20 years old? If they do a lot of business they do it all the time and it’s the insurance company or the homeowners paying, not the manufacturing warranty, they rarely pay out. It irks me when contractors claim this. An act of god is inevitable over the span of 50 years and even if you are lucky Mother Nature will get to them one way or another. The sun coming up in the morning is an Afro of god in many people’s book but not insurers, the elements get to these roofs. They will have stains and organic if you have nearby trees. I’m was home inspector for an insurance company and work in risk management. I know what the numbers are. Standing seam is the best option for longevity but even they run into issues in areas. Honestly when it comes to return on investment it’s very close but if you put on a shingle roof there’s a good chance it will need replaced in less than 20 years and the warranties only cover manufacturing defects. And 50 mph winds tear those shingles off in so many cases. There’s a reason a lot of insurance companies won’t touch these roofs after 15 years and if they do they can still get out of claims because they will document the preexisting conditions when it’s written. But like I said, they aren’t poor investments, but saying 50 years is borderline irresponsible lol.
I've seen plenty and plenty of roofs that lasted longer than 20 years, and also plenty of 30 year shingles that have lasted 30 years. Yes, acts of God will hurt them, but they hurt metal too (and the insurance might say that it's cosmetic damage and not cover it). Technology gets better all the time on many products, shingles to be included. IMO the best roof is a concrete tile roof if you are trying to outlast acts of God.
Concrete tiles have their issues too, all systems have draw backs. There’s a lot of factors. But so many people are led to believe that their roof will last 50 years or 30 years when it’s just unrealistic. It doesn’t take a super unusual weather event to make the system fail. Insulation and climate are huge factors as well. 40 mph straight line winds will rip them off in a lot of cases. Technology has not changed that much in the last 15 years and shingles haven’t gotten any better. But considering the cost i don’t think they are bad investments, I think they are good investments. But 50 years and 100 + mph is not supported by anything in reality, this only exist in the manufactures sales pitch and some contractors repeat it.
@@alligatorshade8110 I've had a couple of roofs that I used GAF on that "failed" like what you are saying (and I've installed thousands). GAF always has honored the manufacturer warranty claim when they didn't hold up. I have a 3 tab roof they are paying me to redo right now because it never sealed. They stand behind their product - I am not sure about the other manufacturers because I'm a "GAF Girl" but I have faith in their products and technology. When it fails, they back it up.
@@amifeller I know they pay for manufacturing defects but they won’t just replace your roof when it doesn’t last 50 years. You think the shingle roofs you instal are going to last 50 years if they aren’t hit by large hail or 100 mph winds?
We are one of the largest residential metal roof installers in Missouri. The average age of laminated asphalt shingles we replaced in the last 20 years was about 14-15 years old. The average standing seam metal roof we replaced was about 80 years old. The real life comparison is way misrepresented if it is standing seam versus laminated shingles.
I think it depends a lot on storm activity. Here where I am, some areas are for more prone to hail and wind events than other areas. You're right, if a hail storm hits a shingle roof, it's going to significantly alter it's lifespan. But if it doesn't, I have seen shingle roofs last their anticipated lifespan.
Then what are you going to do when all houses have metal roof?, no work?
This is the first time a roofer has said what we all know, that metal roofs last 50-100yrs especially if you cool seal them every 15-20yrs. All other roofers say shingle roofs are just as good as metal roofs because they get paid to replace shingle roofs, if everyone had metal roofs the only thing that would cause a metal roof to be replaced was a major hail storm or a tornado because not even cement can survive a direct hit from a major tornado.
@@clinteast7476 thats why roofers always say shingle roofs are just as good as metal because they get paid to replace 15yr old shingle roofs.
Jonathon, I’m in Missouri too, I’m in risk management in insurance and I’ve inspected thousands of roofs across the state. I’ve probably seen some of your roofs! We see the same numbers 14-15 years. We pull replacement cost coverage after 15 years for that very reason because the roof at that point is typically past it’s useful life. Standing seam is the way to go IMO. But I would recommend shingles over ribbed metal here on ROI. Although we do see some issues with standing seam, most of them are poor installation and it leaks around penetrations and transition. 50 years is just wrong anywhere in America for any shingle.
Upstate NY there isn’t a shingle that will come close to 50 yrs of service. Lucky to get 20 yrs. I have a metal roof that has been on 40 years and it looks like it will last 100 years plus
Hail and other weather definitely have an impact, and in Texas, our weather is a lot different than NY! We have roofs here in our town that are 100 years old and they are SHOT. The metal gets brittle and cracks. Our city in the mid 1920's mandated metal on all houses because of fire issues, and boy, there are still a lot of those old roofs around. They look really cool, actually.Metal does last a long time. I totally agree.
I’ve owned multiple homes in upstate NY, North Carolina and Floroda
Have never seen a shingle roof last even close to 50 years. Lucky to get 25 years
shingles here last about 12-15 TOPS years... i'm even further north than you I have no idea where a shingle would last 50 years.. maybe like inside, on a shelf in the store??? No idea.
@@michaelplante3043 Not all shingles are created equal and technology has come a loooooong way in the past 20 years. It's worth checking out.
@@666dynomax My roof shingles already reached 15 years, I don't feel there will be any problem for next 10 years. Many people do replace them, but not because they need to, only because that's how long they expect them to last. I see no sign of aging.
Here in Florida your home insurance considers a Shingle roof “old” after 15 years. Literally one week ago I had a standing seem metal roof installed to replace my 17 y/o shingle roof. My insurance carrier of 5 years canceled my policy solely because of the age of the roof.
Besides that, theirs no way in hell a shingle roof will last 50 years in Florida. Even without hurricanes, the sun will destroy a shingle roof within 20 years.
A shingle roof with full shade might last 20 years in Florida. In 50 years there would be nothing left.
@@francisfinch2735 same in Michigan. Shingle roofs only last 15-20 years. Many more metal roofs nowadays.
The shingle roof on a rental house of mine was 16 years old and in good condition. My insurance carrier said "Replace it or no more coverage." I called around to other insurance companies only to learn that, yes, indeed, I'm putting on a new shingle roof.
@@crimewatch1217 I was going to say, 50years? In Michigan? No way. My current roof on the house I just bought is 30 years and is very very ad condition. Waiting for spring to put a new roof on.
The use terracotta
Thank you for the analysis. It's helpful. We live at 6000 ft altitude and frequently get 50 mph gusts. At 15 years old, our roof started losing shingles. We began repairs then, but at 23 years old, the roof looks awful and has begun to leak a little. Our neighbors have an 18 year old metal roof and have had zero problems so far. It's beautiful and I'm guessing they rest a little easier at night during fire season, too.
There's definitely different levels of quality in both shingles and metal. If you have 3 tab shingles, they do blow off easily. I won't even install them anymore. Dimensional shingles have a wind rating of 110 MPH generally, though GAF came out with one (HDZ) that has an unlimited wind warranty for 15 years. Metal usually has a wind rating of 140 mph. But I can see how your neighbor might be sleeping better than you are! You should have your insurance look at your roof - they might help you out financially with a replacement. You could always pay out of pocket to upgrade to a better shingle or metal.
In Canada, 10 years and my shingle roof crapped out. 50 years might be if the shingle roof is covered with metal roof on top!
A lot depends on what shingle you buy and also what metal you buy. They make crap in both!
Thank you for your honesty.
Thank you for your viewing my video!
Good day from Ontario, Up here shingles last about 20 yrs, so metal big advantage. Thanks
Shingles have a come a long ways in the last 15 years. It's worth checking into. Although metal is great too!
thank you for the heads up on the Gauge of roof. I'm asking roofers to quote and that is likely the difference in why the other guy is so much lower (maybe, we'll see)
Awesome info!!! Great to have it broken down in a easy to understand manner
Thanks for the feedback! It means the world to me!
I live in SE asia and we only use steel roofing since it's expected to face category 3 and 4 hurricanes once a year. It's also typically screwed on instead of nailed since newer roofing frames are made of steel too.
I always love to learn how roofing is done in other geographical areas and countries/continents. Metal roofing is used a lot here in the US in commercial projects, for sure, and also more and more in residential. Most of our houses are framed with wood while most commercial projects use steel/metal. We also use screws in the metal - nails just pull out too easily. For shingles, we use nails. Some people even use staples but that's a pretty cheap way to do it.
@@amifeller 1 year late, but most middle income houses and above here in the Philippines are made of concrete slabs reinforced with rebar with hollow blocks for walls and almost always have a metal roof on top. Well, we have no choice since we are goeographically and geologically fucked. We experience multiple earthquakes and up to more than 20 typhoons in a year.
@@Klbkchhezeim I don't mind that it's a year later. I kind of like it. I am always fascinated to see how they do roofing in other countries - it can be a lot different. I've noticed in Mexico and down toward South America there is much more concrete used and I often see rebar sticking up out of the structures, like they are not finished yet. I have yet to visit the Phillipines - it definitely sounds like it has its challenges, but I also know a lot of beautiful people from that area.
If metal roofing save 10% off your AC bill then the initial higher price will be off set by lower electrical bills. They also make metal shingles that are coated with stone so they look almost the same as architectural shingles if one wants that look.
Yep my house was built in 1986 by a retired electrical engineer who worked for power companies in electricl distribution.. He built a all electric home that has 6 inch wrapped walls, 14 inches of ins in the attic with walkways, tripple pane wiindows with a solar hot water heater and two stage heat pump. Everything available in 1986 including a thermostatically controlled woodburning stove. When he sold me the house two years later he had the electric bills to show me. The thing he said was electric and water bills will only go up right along with taxes so any expeditures to save on heating and cooling will pay off in the long term. The shingles are the only thing I wish he would not have done but back then standing seam was not that popular only tile was around then on expensive homes. We have a lot of r panel roofs going on but those folks will be moving on way before they need another roof and they probably did not understand the exposed screw thing.
On what planet do asphalt shingles last 50 years?
I have seen shingles that lasted 40 years. And plenty of 30 year shingles that lasted their 30 years. Technology is changing all the time.
Where I live though, the odds of hail storm getting you before you get to year 50 are pretty high. :-) But the hail storm gets the metal roof too.
I’m in Northern Michigan with an asphalt shingles, my roof pitches face east and west so not full sun on it. I’m on 26 years on it and it’s still in great shape.
@@anthonys7534 you are the exception and you're only halfway there
After a tornado just ripped the shingles off, I was thinking about replacing with a metal roof, but now, I'm more inclined to stay with the shingle roof.. Thanks for the video, good info.. edit was for error in spelling
The metal does often have a higher wind rating (not always), but a tornado is probably going to "get you" either way!
I put my metal roof on for one reason and one reason only; snow load! When I had comp shingles on my 1956, home owner built, wood framed, split level home, the snow would sit on the roof. And over the years it drove the perimeter foundation into the dirt; leaving the interior foundation high. This new metal roof builds up snow to about 6 to 8 inches, then slides off. I used 1/2 inch thk foam insulation to enhance the comfort level, both hot and cold. I am completely satisfied. What little waste I had I used on out buildings.
ROGER CAMARGO What is this “snow” you speak of??? 😂 That’s a great point, in all seriousness. I’m just in south Texas and that’s not much of an issue for us.
Sliding snow ends up landing somewhere. Often that's on your landscaping plants, in front of your back door and all around your foundation etc. That excess snow near your foundation can cause problems under your house.
Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
I just had my roof done and had 5 different contractors give me estimates The metal roof costs almost 3 times as much. When you factor in the cost vs duration they're about the same since 3 shingle roofs costs about the same as standing seam.
That being said, if I was rich, I would 100% get the metal roof.
I 100% agree with you - and not everyone can afford it. I think it also depends on the house and aesthetics and the neighborhood. But I agree. Metal lasts longer - but ironically, shingle manufacturers offer a longer manufacturer warranty than metal manufacturers - I think it’s because they got burnt when they first started making metal. They made it out of galvanized metal and it didn’t hold up and they had these manufacturer warranties they couldn’t honor. A lot of companies went bankrupt over it. Now they are gun shy but it’s galvalume metal.
I live a little north in central tx. I am 75 and bought my first new house in 1971. I have never had any of the shingle roofs last more than 20 years and they should have been redone at 15 probably. After I got smarter I started using timberline shingles and they might have been better but the last reroof seemed to be thinner timberlines than the one before. I still have the one before on a garage and those shingles look thicker to me. Maybe mccoys got to me but I don't think so. The timbeline roof I have on my house now at 9 years looks kinda bad but I think it might be oak tree pollen residue because the rear 1/2 looks worse than the front 1/2 and I really haven't found any particles on the concrete drive under the rear edges. I would have gone with a standing seam roof the second time around but I don't think there are any good contractors that really know how to do the edges and the underlayment. Yes there are some that can make it look pretty good but the craft is in the craftsman not necessarily the material.
A bad install on a metal roof is a nightmare. They are very difficult to repair if installed improperly - you are quite right! Hey, you can clean that algae off your roof! Do a search for a "softwash" company in your area. If you want help finding one, let me know! They take that stuff right off.
Another possible reason for why one half of your house looks worse than the other, is because of the sunlight that it is exposed to.. believe it or not, but the afternoon sun, and sunsets are harder on asphalt shingles than the Morning sun
@@timbibin1301 Yes, it can do that to colored metal as well. And algae takes a toll on shingles here in Texas, generally on the north side of the house. Metal can gather algae, but it can be washed off easier. (You can clean it off shingles with a softwash process).
@@timbibin1301 You're absolutely right about the afternoon sun. We don't have trees, moss or algae here so that's entirely heat and uv light. The west side of my roof started looking bad and curling on the edges after about 13 years. We got our insurance cancelled over it. Allstate didn't even give us a chance to get a new roof before they pulled the plug on our policy.
individual 'sets' or as they say, 'screws made on fridays' won't match bolts on made on monday'.. - ( what's more odd is that.. ( all the roofers in Fl i know won't use GAF / Timberline roofing.. ' they all think they think they found the best architectural shingle instead... -=-- just saying..- ( i put them on my garage..) no problem that was only a year ago ) but, , - NOW.. i have to do whole house i'm thinking*
Thank you roofer chick Ami. You look good in the back of the pick up as well as on the roof. Canada
You make me smile. Thank you! :-)
Awesome video. Been looking for someone to speak in plane English about metal roofs
Thanks for watching and for your feedback. I appreciate it!
here in the Shenandoah valley of VA. we get 40-50 mph winds and they pull up shingles , no way would it stay down with 110 mph winds.
Shingles have come a long way - the technology is better than it used to be. GAF Timberline HD shingles used to be rated for 110 mph winds - now their HDZ shingle just has a 15 year wind warranty - no limit on mph for that. We have a "tornado alley" here east of IH35, and they do hold up just fine even in tornado weather.
@@amifeller i hope you're right , i'm getting a new roof on Monday.
I think you'll be all right. Keep us posted!
@@amifeller ok
I want a metal roof, I think, but the roofer I'm talking to is discouraging me with some of the same reasons you have listed. The one thing I forgot to ask him (and would like to ask in relation to this video) is about certain self-sufficiency goals I have: rainwater collection and attaching solar panels. These are important goals to me, and I've heard metal roofs are a better choice - especially for the water collection. You don't want your collected rainwater for a garden, to have run over a lot of asphalt. Do you agree, or no?
Metal roofs are much much better for rain water collection than shingle roofs. They shed more water (shingles tend to absorb a certain amount) and the water itself is also generally cleaner. I absolutely agree. I don't know that I see any advantage or disadvantage regarding solar panels though. To be honest, it pains me to see someone attach something through the face of a roof no matter what type of roof it is! My biggest suggestion regarding solar is if you are going to get it and if your roof is at all questionable, replace your roof first. Once the solar panels are installed, roof replacement takes on a whole new level of difficulty (and expense).
The 50 year for shingles vs. the 25 year for metal is the average manufacturers warranty. In reality, here in Kansas/Oklahoma area, you're going to get about 15-25 years on a shingle roof before it starts looking bad and getting near it's "time to think about replacing". That's unless you get wind or hail damage beforehand, which is a very good likelihood in tornado country. I would definitely go metal if I could afford the up front cost.
The manufacturer warranty periods aren't really up for debate and a lot of folks want to argue about them - I am glad your comment is more about what happens in "reality" than what the manufacturer warranties. I agree that many shingles historically have only lasted 15-25 years. The shingle my builder used on my house in 2004 only lasted 12 years with no wind or hail damage!!!! So I get it. But the shingle manufacturers have invested so much in R&D, and they have improved products drastically. This includes changes to the mat, the tar/asphalt mix, the adhesive and the granules. My manufacturer is GAF and I can attest to these improvements. We are not using the same shingles we used in 2004 and they WILL last a lot longer than the shingles of old - even with wind and hail in many cases (it depends on the shingle and the manufacturer). All that said, a lot of metal is definitely more hail and wind resistant than a lot of shingles, but even so, metal is not indestructible either and a lot of it relies on a professional installation.
Amazing information broken down and very easy to understand. By far one of the best videos on roofs that I've seen. Thank you and please keep the videos coming. 🤗
Thanks for the positive feedback! It means a lot. :-)
@bryantjones8039 and you believe the garbage.
Good Job Roofer Chick.
Thanks so much for watching and for the positive feedback!
Nice comparative discussion. Thank you!
One thing you did not mention is the fact that metal roofing is 100% recyclable.
It is! Although the pocket change you get from it is not as good as it used to be. I wish they'd go back to recycling shingle roofs. They've tried with mixed success. It's great for road base, but sorting it has been price inhibitive.
Great video! Very informational.
Thank you!
Ty, love the clear explanations and the way you broke it down. Made it simple to understand the difference.
Thank you for watching!
Great video breaking it down. Very informative; TY!
Thank you for watching!!!!
Shingles will never last 50 years in Arizona.
The technology has come a long ways in the past 10-15 years. I've seen roofs in Texas that lasted 40 years on a 30 year shingle. Of course, at least in Texas, your roof will likely get taken out by hail before you ever get to year 50!
I doubt if they will last that long in New Braunfels Texas!
Timothy Keith They would if they did not get hailed on. That’s the problem in Texas - hail! My neighborhood does not get a lot of it, but still, about every two years we get marble size, and over time, that will take its toll on a shingle roof. I’ve seen a 40 year shingle that lasted 40!
shingles wont last 50 years in Canada either. 12-15 tops. They must melt away in Arizona do they??
@@666dynomax use diamonds in Canada like Bigg Time!!!!! Metal Diamonds are the best.
In Florida, since I believe that the insurance companies stated they would drop a majority of policies or would end up moving out of the state, the legislature passed a law that roofs have to be replaced at 20 years regardless of the condition of the roof or the length of the warranty. This of course is putting a burden on many homeowners as the cost for replacing a roof has gone up by as much as 400% from less than 5 years ago. In my neighborhood of 28 homes, over half have already had roofs replaced just recently or they are planning on having them replaced in accordance with the insurance company's deadline.
That's all pretty interesting. In Texas, insurance drop customers after 10-15 years even though the materials are warrantied for much longer. I can't imagine passing a law though that forces people to do home maintenance - there are so many houses I see that are waaaaaaay past needing a roof. Can the government do that? We are getting into politics, but I wouldn't think Florida would let that fly after all I've heard about them during Covid! Ha!
@@rooferchicks
Our Governor Desantis realized that insurance companies, with State Farm leading them, threatened to either drop thousands of policies or to move out of the state. Desantis and the Legislature compromised and solved the problem as best they could. I blame all of this on Joe Biden. His administration has made everything so expensive, especially for businesses, that the insurance companies were forced to pay exorbitent amounts for repairs or replacement of homes and just couldn't stay in business without acceptable profit.
The seller to me of my house, had a shingle over done in 2004, and one year ago (making it 19 years old) I had leaks over a large area. The original roof underneath is from 1990 (34 years old), so I wasn't going to go looking for the sources of the leaks. So, as a longer term "temp" fix, rather than put down a tarp over the area, I screwed down some metal roof panels over the area, all the way up to a ridge cap. One hot Florida Summer day (I am just North of Orlando), I went up there with a temperature gun and took the heat readings of the shingle area, and right next to it the metal roof panel, and 6 feet away a flat roof area that is painted with a cool roof coating. The Shingle roof was 157F, the metal roof 90 degrease (about the same as the outside temperature) and the flat roof was 111F. There's a big negative for shingle roofs! Just figuring a conservative savings of $50 per month over 25 years on a metal roof, that adds up to $15,000 in electrical savings. For a new roof, I have a good quote from a reputable roofer for a shingle roof, of $15,000. I have a quote from a 5 star with 850 reviews metal roofer for 1"x16" 24ga Standing seam clip type for $36,000. If I can squeeze out an additional $20 a month in electrical savings I will break even saving $21,000 price difference over the 25 years. Something to think about when comparing metal and shingle.
That all sounds about exactly right! Metal roofs are reflective and so are more energy efficient. I think I failed to mention that in this video. And that it costs 2-3x more than shingles is also right (and tells me you're getting a good quality metal roof, which is great).
The is NO way a shingle will last 50 years !! Shingle warranties are full of loop holes to keep anyone from collecting any kind of warranty on that 50 year marketing tool . Use your eye test . How many old barns have in use metal roofs ? How many old buildings have original shingle roofs ? Why do commercial buildings use metal ? Sorry roofing sister but the GAF rep has lied to you . Metal rocks I’ve done many metal roofs and only had 1 roof ever get close to 30 percent waste .
I've seen plenty of shingle roofs last as the long as the manufacturer says - the trick is that they cannot be exposed to a severe wind or hail storm. But it happens all the time. And this is mostly a discussion about manufacturer warranties, and the actual warranties are not as strong as they are in the shingle world, at least not for Berridge, which is what I primarily use. Also on the waste thing.... I think I've addressed it multiple times in these comments, but..... Let me find it again lol. Stand by.
Meh I can't find it. So here we go. A couple points. If you order a coil of metal that is 1000 SF, you are not going to get 1000 SF of coverage. There's just no way - a lot of the metal gets eaten up by the seams, and also varies on how high you make them (1"-2"). If you buy 10 squares of shingles, shingles don't include the unexposed part of the shingle in their calculation (otherwise you'd lose 50%). So 1000 SF of shingles actually covers 1000 SF, less the cuts. If you are on a wide open run, it will cover 1000 SF. Also with shingles, you can often easily reuse portions that you have cut off on another area on the roof - not so much with metal. All the cuts made in the valleys and on hips are basically trash. If you roll your metal on site, you have less waste, of course, than if you pre-order panels. But either way, most of it cannot be reused. Next point - it's all just math. If I use 30% waste and charge $600 per square, but you use 10% waste and charge $700 a square, we are at the same place. So arguing about waste amounts used is kinda silly.
I live in Maine and IMO, the best reason for Metal is "snow load." Much lighter than shingles and most likely to shed snow on a shallow pitch, 4/12 or very common 5/12 pitch roofs.
I would agree that’s a definite advantage! We don’t get much snow here in central Texas 🤣. It’s also why up north you have steeper pitched roofs, generally.
Top Gun rated video. Thanks. Loaded with great and useful info
A lot depends on the climate where you live. There's no way an asphalt shingle roof will last 50 years in the Arizona sun. Most won't last longer than 20 years. A metal roof will easily last two to three times as long.
David Walser I find this to be a misconception. I am in the San Antonio area, which is extremely high temperature and high humidity, and at least here, the shingles last as long as they say they will unless affected by adverse weather (wind, hail). Also, my manufacturer (GAF) backs up their 50 year shingle with a full warranty (not pro-rated). So even if it didn’t last, that’s when the warranty would kick in (which I rarely see - a manufacturer defect). Yes, metal can last longer - and so can shingles. 😃
@@rooferchicks Well, maybe they've improved asphalt shingles over the last few years. Our home was built in 1984. It has a tile roof. Last year we finally did a 'lift and replace' refurbishment. That is, our roofer took off our old tiles, removed the underlayment that had slowly been destroyed by the heat, replaced any of the plywood decking that had been damaged (two sheets on the entire house), and then reinstalled the original tiles. We should be good for another 30+ years (the underlayment is a higher grade tarpaper than what was originally installed). Our next-door neighbor is on their 3rd asphalt shingle roof over the same time frame. And, no, they aren't cheap 3-tab shingles. One of those was hail damage, but still...
I've never lived in the San Antonio area, but I did live in Dallas. Texas gets hot and it gets a lot of sun. But, you guys don't get nearly as many 100+ and 110+ days as we do in Arizona. Nor is the infrared radiation from the sun as intense there as it is here. I believe that's because we have a lot less humidity, so there's literally less between us and the sun's rays. Whatever the technical explanation, having lived both places, I can tell from experience that the sun is much more intense here.
David Walser I was in Phoenix when I was maybe 14 (1989?) on it’s then hottest day on record 122°. Our car overheated and we had to drive with the windows down. My cousins pool when we arrived was an image I’ll never forget. Yes, it’s definitely hot and definitely dry! I can see there might be differences in shingle wear. Here it’s so humid, we struggle with algae stain on the shingles - it can look really gross, but also makes it easy to tell which way North is! 😂
@@DKWalser yep my cousin lives in phoenix and all the houses in his neighborhood have til roofs. I wonder why there is not a 100 year underlayment available for tile roofs? like a urethane instead of tar paper?
Great review of shingle vs metal. Thanks.
Thank you for the feedback. I appreciate it very much!.
I've been a metal roofing installer for the last 15 years I have to say this woman has absolutely no idea what she's talking about I would compare any of my metal roofs against her asphalt shingles any day for the next 50 years
What part do I not know what I'm talking about? The wind resistance? Reflectivity? How long they last? Pretty broad statement there! Hugs and love and kisses to you, my friend. ;-)
@@amifeller well metal last longer more cooler more energy efficient lighter stronger. Comes with a lifetime or 40 year warranty on a 29 gauge 5 rib panel 40 colors to choose from installed properly someone midlife will never have to worry about it again
Patrick Mccall what manufacturer gives a 40 year warranty on 29 gauge metal? That seems crazy to me. 29 gauge bends and crinkles if you look at it crooked. 😂
Checkout Central States Metals Manufacturing
Patrick Mccall looks like they have a 40 year paint warranty, which is impressive. 😁 Their galvallum has a 25 year substrate warranty.
Metal is good and it lasts. I’m not arguing that. But it’s a myth that it lasts for forever. Have a great weekend!
You are very knowledgeable. Thank you
Thank you very much for watching!
Should also have included cost of install which asphalt roofing would win.
chillywilly3610 True that!
not when you put 3 or 4 asphalt ones on to every metal bud.
yes but the quality of the install is in the craftsmanship of the installers. Nearly anyone will try to be a roofer just look around. After two weeks on the job they go into business for themselves undercutting the good installers.
Shingle roofs are great for roofers because they get to change them every 15yrs after a good wind storm pulls most of them off or bends and damages most of them. Metal roofs are great for customers because put it on and its good for 50yrs and if you cool seal it, (liquid silicone that hardens) it will seal all the screws and seams and protect the metal so it could last 75yrs easy
We do use a coating that is ceramic on many screw down metal roofs. It's an amazing product, and easy to reapply. I have also seen plenty of shingle roofs last longer than 15 years - you are right, a good hail storm and generally they are done. But I have also replaced several metal roofs from hail damage. Currently I'm super interested in the F Wave shingle. Have you heard of it? I watched it demonstrated - pretty amazing stuff - I want to put it on a project!
@@amifeller never heard of the F-wave shingle, I'll check it out, but for me all my roofs are corrugated galvalum, (55% aluminum, 45% galvanized steel) metal then cool sealed so I know my roofs are good for 80yrs baring heavy hail or a direct hit from a tornado.
I would never get a metal roof with external fasteners
Why didn’t you compare shingles to metal with hidden fasteners or standing seam metal roof
No she actually only talks about putting screws through the metal roof. She never talked about standing seam or metal roofing without external fasteners
Huge difference between putting holes through the metal and no external fasteners
Timothy Randolph
I don't need to watch it again. The first 1 minute and 40 seconds she says what she is comparing and it's not standing seam she is comparing to shingles.
I put the burden of proving she said she was comparing shingles to standing seam on you. What minute and second do you claim she compared standing seam to shingles?
Timothy Randolph
Actually I have worked on roofs in my younger days. Hot tar , rubber and shingle only a few metal roofs that I was involved in. I’ve been doing cat scans for over 30 years
Occupation has nothing to do with the content of this video.
It’s simple just state what part of the video she compared standing seam with shingles.
You can’t because she didn’t.
You chose to make the comment that she did but she didn’t..
At 5 minutes 39 seconds she references standing seam. She doesn't really specify on any other parameters, which type of metal she's referencing, other than the guage and the wind speed rating.
Im live in florida next to the water. Don’t know what kind of roof i should put in my house. I wanted metal, but Metal roof will be voided warranty because next to the beach. But the roofer still recommended standing seam metal over shingle. Please help me make decisions asap, thanks.
GAF's Timberline HDZ shingle has a 15 year unlimited wind warranty. You might ask your contractor to use 6 nails instead of 4. It's a very awesome shingle!
@@rooferchicks I highly reccommend any homeowner to keep their receipts on any shingle purchase because they will probably need it when the warranty is used.
@@charleswittmer2477 Definitely! I have seen so many homeowners that can't find their invoice - if there's ever a manufacturer warranty, you have to be able to prove for sure what brand it was. There are companies that can help with that, but it's far easier with a receipt - whether from the installation company or for the materials themselves.
Great info! Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Well explained!
Thanks for watching!!!!
Pray tell me PLEASE ... In what world will a shigle roof last for 50 years ... ? Are you talking about EARTH ... ?
There's been a lot of improvements made in the past 10 years with shingles. You should check it out!
I found shingles just don't hold up in Florida. I think the cost of metal is the big downer. I am currently looking to switch to metal soon.
alan headrick You probably get more wind activity than we do in San Antonio. But if you 6-nail instead of only using 4 nails, that helps. Also, buy an after market warranty from GAF - they stand behind their product. If it fails prematurely, they cover materials and labor. Metal roofs are nice too! Just you’re right - $$$
@@rooferchicks Thanks so much for responding to so many comments. I had no idea about most of this information.
50 years for a shingle roof in New Braunfels summer heat? “Not bloody likely!”
These are manufacturer warranties, I did not write them. You are more than welcome to look them up on their website. 🤷🏼♀️ I would say that on the Guadalupe side of I-35 the roofs last a lot longer than on the hill country side.
I live in the desert and was told by several people I'd be lucky to have a shingle roof last 15 years and many people here get at least 30 years out of a metal roof. But based off what I've seen so far, seems like metal might be the way to go.
I am not quite in the desert (near San Antonio, Texas) but almost and I have definitely seen shingles last 30-40 years. We are humid here (unlike the desert) so our roofs tend to gather algae. Metal is great - it's just more expensive and you need to make sure you have a good installer.
@@rooferchicks I have a 3-tab (from the days when architectural shingles were a new thing not commonly being used) in an exposed environment with 90+ degree and 14 hr summer days and regular 2 feet of snow accumulations on the shingles during winter. My 20 yr roof is at 30 yrs right now, is in pretty great shape. Only need for a reroof is due to additions added where the roof is patched in (not well).
@@Redandranger Exactly! Without adverse weather conditions, shingles can last a long time. Do you know what brand they are? They used to make 3 tabs a lot better than they are today, that's for sure. That's all we installed in 1994 when I started.
Awesome info, Thank you!
Thanks so much for watching!!!!
50 years warrantee with shingle? Absolutely not a chance. In Florida, we're lucky to get 15 years out of a shingle roof.
This is all a discussion about manufacturer warranties, and I'm not one who wrote them! Lol. I see plenty of shingle roofs in Texas last a long time, so long as they don't get hailed on. We do get a lot of hail, but it definitely has geographical patterns (some areas get hit all the time and some rarely/never get hit).
Thanks
Florida Insurance limits: 10yrs asphalt, 20yrs tile, 30yrs metal before rates increase
I believe that! I do wonder why as shingles have improved, why don't insurance companies adjust? But I'm sure it's to protect themselves and keep their numbers in the black.
50 years shingles last ? , woooo I dont know then why in my area here in Alberta people is changing shingles after 10 or 15 years , does the colour not match in their minds ?
50 year shingles last if you don’t have an act of God like hail or hurricanes. Here in Texas, we get a good amount of hail in some areas. But big enough hail damages metal too.
@@amifeller or an act of nature, like sun and rain...
@@666dynomax No, wind or hail. Or falling trees. Or aliens.
@@amifeller I built my shop in about 1994. I will never put another screw through a exposed area on a metal roof again. The rubber washers are good for about 15 years at best. Carports or awning maybe but never again on a shop metal building.
@@charleswittmer2477 totally agree! Standing seam is by far the better product with less (or no) maintenance because the fasteners are hidden. Here, we still do some screw down roofs though, mostly for the "historical" look on the older houses. I charge the same amount for the screw down as I do for standing seam - the materials cost less, but the labor costs more. And it opens me up to more warranties than the standing seam.
The warranty on metal roofs isn't for the metal. It's for the paint on the metal in a perfect world.
Exactly. The terms on the warranty for the actual metal is fairly weak with lots of loop holes. I couldn't even find one for Berridge at all.
I liked your video, but I had to give the thumbs down. Waste? I wasted 30 square feet on a 2000sq ft roof, and on a smaller 750square foot I cut exactly 1" off the last two 13'6" sheets... the LAST shingle roof I replaced was 12 years old... where are my other 38 years? Cost? My last metal roof was $1500 cheaper ($10500 vs $12000 shingles). Neighborhood? Yes my neighbors all have shingles, and i watch at least 3 roofs get done every summer, last weekend my neighbor on both sides were both doing them... yep, mines still good... Roofer chick... I think you're wrong. If you got 50 year shingles, i'd love to see it. FURTHER more, in a community near by me it was an old mill town, the houses are from the 40's and 50's, for fun a few weekends ago, i did a survey... 90% were metal roof, and over 50% of them were the ORIGINAL metal... so where are you getting this 25 year life cycle on metal when I drive by hundreds every week that are pushing 80... yes they probably are getting close to end of life, but 25 vs 80? C'mon Chick!!!
We also have metal roofs in my town from the 1920's - but they all need to be replaced desperately. No one wants to do that though, because they look cool. It's "the look" here, and I get it. Have you heard of Gruene Dance Hall? It's a world famous dance hall, and replacing that rusted out roof is going to change the whole look of the place. Anywho.... Let me see if I can answer everything you say. Metal does have more waste - if you buy 30 bundles of shingles and don't make any cuts or do anything funky - just lay them out like you are supposed to, you will get very, very close to 1000 SF of coverage. If you take a 1000 SF coil of metal and install it the same way - no hips, no valleys - just lay it out, it will not cover 1000 SF. It won't cover 1000 SF because a significant portion of the material is rolled into the seams - for example, our coils are about 21" wide when we buy them, but an installed panel is only 18" wide. So there's 14% right there. But really, it's silly to argue about, because it's really just how I estimate. Say I charge $550 a square with 30% waste. So I take a roof that 2900 SF, multiple by 1.3 (3770), divide my 100 (to convert to squares, 37.7) and multiply by $550 and I get $20,735. My competitor says, "That's INSANE - 30% waste is STUPID - I only use 15% waste!" But he charges $620 a square. It's a silly thing to argue about. But yes, metal inherently has more waste than shingles - shingles overlap by about 50%, but the manufacturers don't include the overlap in their coverage amounts, and metal manufacturers do.
Okay that response got lengthy so I'm starting another one. We can argue about shingles all day long. You don't have to believe me. But let me tell you this - in my home town of Marshalltown Iowa after the July 2018 tornado, we installed about 200 GAF Timberline HD roofs. This year, did you hear about the Derecho? I had never heard of a derecho before - but it hit my hometown AGAIN, and worse than the tornado as far as wind damages (it had a far wider path than a tornado). Winds of 170 MPH. Look it up, I'm not lying. Not a SINGLE one of the roofs we did in 2018 were missing a SINGLE shingle. It's amazing. We did a Certainteed roof, and some of it blew off (beautiful designer shingle). Anyway, goes to say, not all shingles are created equal, and metal is only rated for 140 MPH and I saw plenty of those damaged by the derecho.
Last comment. The video compares manufacturer warranties of the product they product. I'm not the one who decided what their warranties are. They are!!!! Back in the 80's, galvanized roofing was the rage. Remember that? And they claimed it will last for forever and several manufacturers and installers gave these crazy warranties. And guess what? Galvanized metal rusts. So those roofs are all failing now, and a lot of companies went bankrupt over it. Now they produce galvallum, and the manufacturers are a little more cautious about their promises!
@@amifeller Well that thought cross my mind, I looked more in to GAF roofing, I love the valleys and I love their underlay. That often the weakest point of traditional asphalt installation. I must admit you've done the right thing, you've picked a controversial subject, and made it catch peoples attention enough to get them motivated to comment, post, repost, reply, etc. You don't have to be right to make money with youtube, you have to get views.. this is one way to do it. Now comparing 50yr to 25yr color fade is kind of maybe not all that fair, but .... i'll roll with it. I really do appreciate people to take the time to make these videos. I have done a lot of building, and love keeping up with the science of building.
@@666dynomax I have to get used to not letting it ruin my day when people strongly disagree with me. I'm too sensitive lol. I'm getting better at it though! I don't know that I'll ever make money with RUclips, but it is a lot of fun getting subscribers and having people from everywhere message me for advice (especially off my DIY videos).
50 years out of a shingle roof in FL is unheard of and even if it did last 50 Insurance won't cover a house with a shingle roof over ten years old anyway. I know up north it's different but here metal is so much better and oddly the labor is the majority of it so DIY metal is by far better value if done right.
Even here a lot of insurance companies won't cover a shingle roof over 15 years, which I think is pretty short-sighted of them. They just haven't updated it ever even though technology has improved. Our metal prices in Texas skyrocketed after Covid, but you're right, labor is a major part of the cost. For us, that's because we can put a shingle roof on in a day, but a metal roof of the same size can take 4-5 days. It's just more work. But it can be worth it in the right environment or for the right look.
Another reason to go metal is fire chance and insurance reduction.
Agreed on the fire ratings. On impact resistant there are metals and shingles that qualify. What scares me about that is usually people then sign a waiver for their insurance agreeing that hail damage is just cosmetic. So if the storm comes, you don’t have much coverage.
Our asphalt shingles failed at 12y on account of extreme heat. That's a typical lifespan around here.
It really varies a lot on the brand and type of shingle. I had crappy three tab shingle on my roof and they failed at 12 years. But if you buy a good brand that has the technology to support the warranty, they do not fail in 12 years. Shingles are not a simple commodity - brand, style, and warranties matter a lot.
I'm undecided. I live in A VERY windy location. I currently have shingles. Wind damaged much of it. It is seriously bad. But the singles are old.
I had a metal roof contractor give me a quote. Then I had several shingle roofing companies give me quotes. The shingles were always more expensive because the roofers all told me that because the current roof is nailed directly on "barn boards", they have to lay new plywood down on the entire roof. Whereas the metal roof contractor told me he'll just strap the old roof and put metal right on top.
An experienced, well-respected real estate agent told me to go for shingles because it looks better, and because metal roofs that are strapped on typically have issues with ventilation, and premature rot in the future.
So hearing all this, I'm confused. Do any of you have a good piece of advice?
Yes, if the shinglers have to install decking, it can get expensive - but at least in my market, it's still less than a metal roof for me. Also, just FYI, GAF Timberline HDZ shingles have a 15 year unlimited wind warranty! With metal roofs, you can put them on on spaced out decking or purlins, yes. But I always encourage homeowners to have a solid deck - it is stronger structurally, has more R value, and reduces the noise when it storms. My personal opinion in general is that shingle roofs look better, but that's just my personal opinion. On certain houses, metal looks amazing - to me it takes the right house. They do say that roofing is one of the few home improvements where you will get 100% of your investment back in the sale of the home - so whatever you choose, I hope you find some peace in that.
Oh, and don't let your metal guy roof over an existing roof - get it all torn off - that's just a bad practice. I'd be cautious of his work quality if that's his plan.
Why does none of these videos mention what to do with nails/screws that hit a crack between the boards/plywood seams?
Well, that's an interesting question. It will leak though - that's the short answer. You can try filling it with NP1 or another sealant for a short term fix, but eventually UV light will break that down. I've replaced panels over this issue..... I've seen projects where an entire line of fasteners missed - since there's nothing to grip to, it won't stay sealed.
What about using pop rivets? Maybe a pop rivet with a gasket on it. I have used this method to plug holes, but I don't know if it would work well on already installed metal sheets.
@@mrcleanisin I don't know if you could get a washer under a pop rivet or not? It would be interesting to try. You could install something on the other side for the screw to go into I suppose - if you can get up there. I know one I looked at it was at a community gymnasium and we would have needed a pretty good sized lift to get up to the hole.
A asphalt roof will never last 50 years especially GAF. I’ve seen GAF roofs fail within 5 years of installation and the manufacture does not have the integrity to admit they put out a faulty product. The company I work for only uses Certainteed. It’s all around a better shingle and it’s actually zoned for specific climate areas. And they honor they’re warranties. I work in Fortworth Texas and I’d never consider putting GAF on a house. The only good thing they have is marketing. And they are cheap which roofers love because they make more money.
That's unfortunate you've had such bad experiences with GAF. I had one roof that I put on that had a manufacturer warranty (3 tab shingles that didn't seal) and they replaced the entire roof, true to their word. I've had wonderful experiences with them. Maybe their customer service varies in different regions?
Certainteed sure make good products, never seen the shingles around here.
Well done ..
Thank you for watching and for the positive feedback :-)
Just had Hy Grade Roofing install a metal roof at my house. Worst decision I could have made. They promised to install the roof in 4-6 weeks, of course they were late. When they finally showed up without the proper equipment and damaged my property. They are really proud of the “Quality Audit” that they do, but of course they won’t give you a copy of the audit…lol BTW -the “Quality Audit” they did at my house consisted of 2 guys coming over to pickup the leftover junk they left at my house for a month. They never even went up on the roof! Save your money use someone else!
I'm so so sorry you had such a negative experience! You might consider getting a 3rd party to inspect the roof if you feel uneasy about it. The contractor should offer to pay for it (I've paid for a couple myself)
I almost got a metal but roof but switched my mind when I thought about screws through metal which should come lose at some point, that killed the deal, and the standing seam metal was out of cost range.
It is expensive to put on standing seam. Especially to put it on RIGHT. I personally prefer shingles - from what I see they last just as long, are easier to repair, and in my opinion, I like the way they look more.
@@amifeller Out in the country which also is around New Braunfels, I spent my best summers in NB in the 60's on the comal, my uncles place in comal estates has tile roofs on his houses, standing seam is on most of the expensive houses built in the last 5 years that I see. Maybe not in town though, city people are different than country folk.
@@charleswittmer2477 We have quite a few neighborhoods going up - especially out 1863 and 46 to the west - that have the tile and metal roofs only. I think some don't allow shingles at all. I love tile roofs! We are actually putting one on right now off 1863. That's awesome that you know NB - I moved her in 2003 and I never want to live anywhere else. I was born in Iowa.
What if I am a do it myselfer on a very tight budget. I built most of my house by myself. I roofed most of it with my dad. He is too old now and I have to roof it alone. I am 55 and think if I go with a 50 year shingle it should be my last roof.
As long as you are not in an area that is prone to hail, it should be your last roof! There are a lot of how to videos out there on how to do a roof, and also the manufacturer web site and packaging has installation instructions. If you have any questions, holler! I will answer them as best as I can. Use drip edge - do not line up your starter row with your first row of shingles - use a chalk line every few rows.... those are my big words of advice on things you cannot fix after the fact. Don't drink and roof lol.
I got installed the GAF Fortitude shingle through Power Home Remodeling with a 50 years warranty. Any one on the GAF Fortitude vs the GAF Timberline? 😀
Well you just taught me something new! We are a Master Elite with GAF and we install Timberline HDZ. I had not heard of Power Home Remodeling or Fortitude, but according to my territory manager, it's a private label for them with a bit of a color variation from the Timberline HDZ. I'd be curious to to learn more about working with Power Home. I visited the website. How was the experience? Do you have a cost comparison to using other contractors? Was it worth it?
Have fun with that warranty. GAF denied all of my neighbors when they failed in 10 years citing hurricane damage even though there was no hurricane damage lol.
80 percent of the homes roofed with metal is 29 gauge. The first thing she said was 29 gauge metal is crap. I know many people with these roofs including myself and they work and look great. The metal paint has a 40 year warranty that covers chipping, flaking, peeling and fading. The screws they use are also warranted for 40 years. Be careful of what you're told people.
29 gauge metal is crap. I doubt that’s what you have. You probably have 26. Unless you bought it at Home Depot!
the screws will last forever, it is the sealing washers that won't make it past 20 years believe me I know. You can spend some money and have the screws and metal repainted with a thick coating but that is more for comercial buildings bu it is very good stuff and saves the cost of trying to unscrew and replace all the screws, sometimes when the seals leak the metal gets rusted out and it makes a hole to big to fix with a washer and new rubber seal or the screw is rusted and breaks off when you try to remove it. Believe me I know. The difference in the coatings on the metal varies a lot that is a lot of the cost in making the panels. In the 60's I worked in a manufacturing plant that made lifetime filling stations. They were porcelain panels that interlocked together like standing seam. The only time you found any corrosion was if they got chipped. I never saw one that was hail damaged.
@@charleswittmer2477 Yes, agreed! The gaskets give out. We do coatings quite a bit - it is far less expensive than an all new roof. The rust grip is silver too, so it still looks like metal. We use tape to do repairs on larger holes prior to coating it.
I am in love
You don’t know what you’re talking about, in Florida some insurance companies are dropping customers if the asphalt roof over ten years old. Asphalt shingles will not last fifty years that bs. And 100 miles winds will blow them off and not counting for catching fire.
I'm stating facts based on manufacturer warranties and 20 years of experience. Sorry you think that's ignorant! You are right about insurance companies dropping roofs - here it is at 15 years not 10, but the same thing for some carriers. Not all though. The insurance industry has not recognized that shingles are lasting longer EXCEPT they do with Class IV shingles and are giving discounts. We have started installing a lot of Class IV roofs lately. Also, I have seen 100 mph winds (even less) blow off a metal roof, too. And I've seen shingle roofs withstand 100mph winds (tornado in Marshalltown, IA in 2018 and Derecho in 2020). I hope your online social skills keep getting better and better!
@@rooferchicks you are selling a product, I have live long enough to know better. I don’t know of anybody that thinks shingles last 50 years. The house we once live in has three roofs put on it in 26 years we lived in it. Most of these people that put roofs on are immigrants, they care less. Ten years! Who remembers them like the roof company. There is more fraud and who can hold a shingle manufacturer after ten or fifteen years for a bad roof. You are to be ashamed telling your nonsense. People like you are the reason why insurance companies are cracking down on asphalt shingle roofing companies. You say 15 years, there’s a reason. And you say 50? It not the product but insurance are taking the risk.And dropping policies like in Florida, I just got thought putting a roof on my house, I paid three times what a asphalt shingle roof cost, I got burn before , tell the truth.
This video should be remade with real numbers lol
It’s pretty old. The numbers were accurate at the time. They’ve changed a lot since Covid.
Thank you :-)
Thanks for watching!!!
Asphalt shingles don’t last 50 years. Ever. Not even GAF.
I've actually seen them last 40-50. But it means no major storms for 40-50 years on that roof..... which you are correct, is rare to happen.
Saying that something “for reals” last 50 years and saying you’ve seen (occasionally) shingle roofs last 30-50 years are two complete different things. Saying one manufacturer warranties their shingles for 50yrs is not the same as stating that all shingle roofs last 50 years. This videos is misleading.
I'll save you a lot of time. Go with metal roof, cool seal it, (liquid silicone that hardens and seals seams and screws and protects metal) and never worry about your roof again baring a major hail or direct hit from a tornado as nothing can survive either one. Or go with shingle and maybe get 15yrs and you will be changing
I Live in south Texas outside of Houston 😒 And people here have to get new roofs about every 10 years…The last hail storm, we have them several times a year the hail was the size of cutie Oranges 🍊
Yes and you have hurricanes. Unfortunately nothing is really going to hold up under softball size hail. 😫
Steel, aluminum or copper Diamonds. Never comp. Bigg Time!!!!
You are lucky to get 15 years out of an asphalt shingle these days. You must have some kind of super shingle.
Like most things manufacturere, strides in longevity are being made all the time. The shingle of 1980 is not the shingle of 2023. It's amazing how set we get in our thinking!
Shingles for me
Definitely incorrect pertaining to asphalt shingles life expectancy. Exposure to the yearly elements & lack of maintenance to keep roof clear (leaves, gutters clogging, etc) drastically reduce life of asphalt materials. Properly vented attics is also a big concern for life of roofs. If able to afford, metal roofs are the one time solution to likely never having to replace the materials. Metal roof, virtually a lifetime investment one time. Asphalt, you will replace it twice for certain as to the metal. Also, try to get the asphalt company to back they're warranty on a claim, better pack a lunch because it will likely be wasted time since they claim it isn't installed to they're required specs. Bottom line, good & bad about both but this chic is misleading on some topics. Happy roofing.
I adamantly disagree with you that metal roofs will last for forever. That is a myth and I've seen plenty of metal roofs that need to be replaced. They do last a long time, however, I agree there. Tile roofs last the longest, but you have to replace the underlayment at some point. I have seen shingle roofs that last a long time. Like you say, it does depend on the maintenance, and also on acts of God. But acts of God hurt metal roofs, too.
@@amifeller Believe what you want, but when preaching to people about facts, myths be certain you know what is what.
Metal roofs are more energy efficient especially if you have the crinkle coat as it reflects heat away. Take a temp of your attic with shingles vs metal and you'll feel the difference.
I agree 100%. Radiant barrier is great too if you do not have a metal roof.
Subscribe, like, and comment. This roofer chick replaces all the bull-headed, machismo, crap that plagues this industry and replaces it with sound advice!
What would you consider lasting 30,40,50 years for shingles? When is the signs of needing replacement, when its brittle but not leaking? I can't see my roof lasting 30yrs when it's barely 20yrs and it's brittle on the edges.
On how long shingles are warrantied, you have to check with each manufacturer. TAMKO is 30 years, GAF is 50 years. One of the biggest signs of worn out shingles is that the fiberglass mat starts to show - this usually starts at the shingle edges and works its way in - if you ever see a "shiny" shingle roof, it's gone way too far! Yes, another sign is brittleness - as roofs age, they dry out. This can make repairs difficult - in fact, an insurance adjuster may decide that your roof is not repairable and recommend replacement with just a few missing shingles. As long as a brittle roof doesn't need repair, it can still last a long time.
@@amifeller awesome! Thank you for the time.
You're lucky to get 15 years out of a shingle roof in Florida.
I firmly believe it has a lot to do with the brand, style, and the decade it was manufactured in!
What is the base number of nails that my contractor should be putting in each shingle?
He is coming tomorrow and I am trying to get base questions I should be asking.
The manufacturer requires 4. For some dimensional shingles if you use 6 instead of 4, your wind rating increases from 110 mph to 130 mph. GAF came out with a shingle this year that has an unlimited wind warranty for 15 years with 4 nails - Timberline HDZ - and that’s what we like to install.
@@amifeller Thank you so much for the information. I was going to get the 30yr shingle but I was not given a name brand yet.
I will be asking for 6 nails per shingle. Is adding the extra two nails a drastic price increase?
@@mssburr On an average sized roof I usually charge about $200 extra for 6 nails instead of 4. Good luck!
@@amifeller Thank you for the help, I will be requesting the six nails seeing I live in tornado alley..
You have a new subscriber.
@@mssburr Thanks! I hope it all works out well with your new roof. I'd love to hear what they want to charge you to get 6 nails.
In your comparison list you didn't touch on resistance to leaks (we have a 2/12 pitch contemporary house). Thanks
Both should be leak resistant if installed properly. With pitches less than 3/12, there are modifications to be made. With shingles, they recommend using two layers of underlayment. Personally, that doesn't leave me feeling secure as the contractor carrying the warranty, so I always use ice and water shield under shingles on a 2/12 pitch (and I never install shingles with less than 2/12 pitch). With a metal roof, you might ask your installer about using 1.5" seams instead of just 1" (this is the height of the seam on each panel). A higher seam allows for higher water levels. Also, make sure the panels are double locked (crimped 2x).
@@rooferchicks Does the upper half of shingles get stuck down to the ice and water layer? I ask this because I'm trying to repair a small section(6"x 6') of the plywood at the top of the fascia where the gutter over flowed and got under the drip edge and behind the fascia and rotted it out and while I can get the nails out of the architectural shingles(15-18 yrs old), It seems like the top half of the shingles are super stuck to the ice and water membrain(or what ever it is, I know they put it on the entire roof when they replaced the entire decking when the roof was replaced.) Thanks and sorry for the long question.
@@rickl6697 The ice and water shield should be laid down first and the shingles go on top of that - they should not be under it. That sounds like a mess. Also, at the eave, you want whatever underlayment you are using to be on TOP of the drip edge so water doesn't flow under and behind it (rotting everything out).
@@amifeller The shingles are on top of the ice and water shield. By upper half I meant the half of the shingle that ends up under the next row of shingles. It's really the only part of the shingle that touches the ice and water shield. The architectural shingles(the visible part once the roof is done) are on top of the lower row of shingles. That's what I meant by upper half, not the upper surface. I didn't make that clear I guess. Shingles just don't want to let go of that ice and water shield and I'm sure I've got all the nails out.
@@rickl6697 The shingles are supposed to overlap like that. And ideally, if on top of the ice and water shield, they shouldn't be stuck. Sounds like a mess. You might end up having to pull out the decking and redo it if you cannot get it all unstuck. That's a drawback of the ice and water - it really doesn't like to come off. Best bet is trying to reuse it.
if you want the best, go with slate
but
be prepared to spend $$$
I got to do a slate roof once. It was AWESOME.
I will have a new roof. The original one has metal valley. The new one was proposed by the roofers to have ice and water shield without metal for the valley. I am in Austin. What is the best sulotion for the architectural shingle roof for the valley? The budget is enough and I am thinking if it is a good practice to have both ice and water shield and metal for the valley. Thanks for any inputs.
I have long thought to leave the valley metal if it is existing already, but to always use ice and water shield. Ice and water is the new valley metal, really. One of my guys was just telling me today that valley metal traps air and heat if it's not completely laid flat in the valley, which also makes sense. We use a cut valley or a California cut valley. Some people (like my brother ha ha) argue that California cut valleys leak - but I've never had one leak that we installed. On a cut valley - all of one side is installed and laid, then you lay the other side, snap a chalk line, and cut it. With a California valley, you lay a course of shingles along where you want the valley to be (by chalking a line) and then you place the corner of the rows to meet that shingle.... it's kind of hard to explain. Googling it would likely help. Long story short, it sounds like your roofer is right.
@@amifeller Thanks for your information.
50 YEARS for a shingle roof??? LAUGHABLE!!!!!!!!!!! In Florida, NO MORE than 15 years and I didn't get even that much before problems, about 13 years. 21 years and counting on my clay tile roof and it's gone through a couple of hurricanes and 4 tropical storms.
You can laugh all you want, but that's the manufacturer's warranty if a homeowner stays in the home (with one transfer in the first 10 years). And they do hold up amazingly well, but not in hurricanes, no, or other natural disasters covered by insurance. And I agree with you - in my opinion, clay or concrete tile roofs will last the longest of all. Unfortunately, the home has to be built to hold the weight - it's not really an option for most homeowners in a reroof unless they already have one.
@@amifeller Have you read the manufacturers warranty? Do you know the replacement cost is for materials only and is pro-rated?? 75% of the cost is in the labor and other materials and since it's pro rated that means if your shingle roof fails in 15 years on a 30 year guarantee which is what mine were) you will STILL pay around $15K to replace a $20K roof. And I have yet to see a 30 year shingle roof last 30 years, it's 15-18 years tops. There are just too many weather and other factors that will affect the life. The beams in an attic can be reinforced to accept a tile roof.
@@charliesargent6225 I actually know a ton about the warranties. We primarily offer GAF Silver and Golden Pledge Warranties. The Golden Pledge offers non pro-rated warranty for the materials and also covers workmanship for 25 years. And the Silver covers 10 years of workmanship. I have actually replaced 3 roofs for customers through the GAF warranty program and none of my customers paid anything for their warrantied replacements. I think you are talking about standard manufacturer warranties and if so, what you are saying is true. I am a big believer in enhanced warranties for your new roof.
Isn't the white shingle the only shingle with an energy star rating from certainteed?
It very well might be - we are not a Certainteed installer. We can install it, but it's not our first choice. We are a GAF contractor.
Why asphalt shingle in the world last for 50 years??? 15-20 max
It’s a discussion about manufacturer warranties. You can view GAF’s warranty on their website. And I’ve seen many, many, many roofs with shingles older than 15-20 years. www.gaf.com/en-us/resources/warranties/residential
I do metal roofing and that 30% waste is just not true!!! My waste is less than 3%. If you have 30% waste, I feel bad for your customers and yourself. The metal companies are the only ones making the money 💰
freddie arvizu are you doing standing seam? Or screw down? Much of the waste in standing seam goes into the crimp where they overlap, and there’s no way around that. And of course, it depends on how cut up your roof is. A straight gable roof has far less waste than a roof with 15+ faces!
no she is charging the customer for the waste just like a fab shop in the metal fabricating business. Until the customer is educated that will continue. A correctly measured roof with a computer will compute the material very close some of the waste is in bad application and re cutting.
@@rooferchicks I'm beginning to understand the standing seam customers are being charged for a blank roll of metal as the material then they are charged for the forming of the panel then they are charged for the install? correct? I don't consider forming the ridges or crimp to be waste, it is part of the panel, the waste is the part you trow away or take back to the shop like the remainder of the roll of metal left over.
@@charleswittmer2477 when I do my math, I include it in the waste to get my numbers to come out right. There are different ways to do the math. I could do a lower waste percentage and a higher price per square and get the same result.
This lady is not really very familiar with metal roofing because of her limited knowledge of metal roofing products being manufactured.
I’ve been installing metal roofs for more than a decade. A good quality metal roofing panel most generally comes with a 40 year and some even 50 year warranty. And the warranty or the quality of a panel is not really so much in the thickness/the gauge of the metal as in the paint application and how tightly the panel is rolled/formed.
I’ve covered a lot of 30 and 50 year shingles that didn’t make half their warranty. Most of these companies had been gone out of business etc. at this point you know. Now I’m aware that part of this was due to a period of time where they manufactured a lot of shingles with recycled products. But even then, the area I live is flat with a lot of wind and shingles just are hardly worth the maintenance anymore to many homeowners. With all that in mind, it’s very easy to compete against asphalt shingle roofers . And prices are rarely double and often even comparable.
Blessings
What I am comparing is manufacturer warranties. I am in Central Texas, and my main metal manufacturers' warranties are 20 and 25 years for the actual product. Paint warranties are longer (40 years generally but one of my manufacturers is only 20). Do you have a metal manufacturer you use that has a longer manufacturer warranty for their actual product (not the paint)? I would be interested to hear. And we use 24 gauge metal on our residential projects.
Roof slope also plays a part.
I think shingles and metal are both good for slopes 2:12 and greater. Metal even down to 1:12. On either material if the slope is less than 3:12 we use ice and water as our underlayment. Is that what you're referring to?
In Jacksonville, NC asphalt shingles only last 15 may be 20 years. Hurricanes tear beat the s from roofs.
Yes, the 50 years is a manufacturer warranty for defects. It does not cover acts of God, like hurricanes. Here in Texas we have a lot of hail, but it kind of depends on where you live if you get it all the time or not. Where my house sits, I never get it. But 15 miles west of me, they get hail all the time. So my house has a real shot at longevity. Even metal is limited to 140 mph winds - so I am guessing the hurricanes gets some of the metal roofs too.
I wouldn't put an asphalt comp roof on if they gave it to me for free. Comp roofs are disposable junk and their prorated warranties aren't worth the shingle wrapper that they are written on. Just go to the local land fill where they dispose of them and look at the mountains of spent shingles. The U.S. and Canada are the only countries that use this inferior product on a large scale.
Metal roofs can be pressure washed, primed and repainted when they start looking chalky and faded.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree! I've put many metal roofs in the landfill as well. I've also had GAF replace two roofs I've done (and I've done thousands) because of manufacturer defect, so they do honor the warranty.
@@amifeller Metal roofs are 100% recyclable, comp roof are not 100% throw away. I worked in roofing once and thats where I learned to hate comp roofs. The US and Canada are the only countries that use this inferior roofing material on a large scale.
@@martinschulz9381 There have been attempts made at recycling shingles. It's actually great to make more shingles and as road base. But unfortunately, it's cost prohibitive to sort out the items the need to be removed (felt paper, pipe jacks, etc). It's unfortunate. I really do wish they would find a way to make it work.
Can I revert back to shingles from metal?
Yes, definitely. The only thing is sometimes, especially on older homes, they install metal on purlins instead of a solid deck. Shingles need a solid deck, which can be expensive to add (but always better, even under metal roofs). You can usually tell if the deck is solid by looking from inside the attic.
@@amifeller what is a purlin? also what is the best nailing method nail gun or hammer
Related to the Louisville Ky Feller family?
I don't think so! I originally hail from Iowa.
Great video! For reals :)
Thanks!!!!
Shingles don’t last 50 years people, how often does she an architectural shingle less than 20 years old? If they do a lot of business they do it all the time and it’s the insurance company or the homeowners paying, not the manufacturing warranty, they rarely pay out. It irks me when contractors claim this. An act of god is inevitable over the span of 50 years and even if you are lucky Mother Nature will get to them one way or another. The sun coming up in the morning is an Afro of god in many people’s book but not insurers, the elements get to these roofs. They will have stains and organic if you have nearby trees. I’m was home inspector for an insurance company and work in risk management. I know what the numbers are. Standing seam is the best option for longevity but even they run into issues in areas. Honestly when it comes to return on investment it’s very close but if you put on a shingle roof there’s a good chance it will need replaced in less than 20 years and the warranties only cover manufacturing defects. And 50 mph winds tear those shingles off in so many cases. There’s a reason a lot of insurance companies won’t touch these roofs after 15 years and if they do they can still get out of claims because they will document the preexisting conditions when it’s written. But like I said, they aren’t poor investments, but saying 50 years is borderline irresponsible lol.
I've seen plenty and plenty of roofs that lasted longer than 20 years, and also plenty of 30 year shingles that have lasted 30 years. Yes, acts of God will hurt them, but they hurt metal too (and the insurance might say that it's cosmetic damage and not cover it). Technology gets better all the time on many products, shingles to be included. IMO the best roof is a concrete tile roof if you are trying to outlast acts of God.
Concrete tiles have their issues too, all systems have draw backs. There’s a lot of factors. But so many people are led to believe that their roof will last 50 years or 30 years when it’s just unrealistic. It doesn’t take a super unusual weather event to make the system fail. Insulation and climate are huge factors as well. 40 mph straight line winds will rip them off in a lot of cases. Technology has not changed that much in the last 15 years and shingles haven’t gotten any better. But considering the cost i don’t think they are bad investments, I think they are good investments. But 50 years and 100 + mph is not supported by anything in reality, this only exist in the manufactures sales pitch and some contractors repeat it.
@@alligatorshade8110 I've had a couple of roofs that I used GAF on that "failed" like what you are saying (and I've installed thousands). GAF always has honored the manufacturer warranty claim when they didn't hold up. I have a 3 tab roof they are paying me to redo right now because it never sealed. They stand behind their product - I am not sure about the other manufacturers because I'm a "GAF Girl" but I have faith in their products and technology. When it fails, they back it up.
@@amifeller I know they pay for manufacturing defects but they won’t just replace your roof when it doesn’t last 50 years. You think the shingle roofs you instal are going to last 50 years if they aren’t hit by large hail or 100 mph winds?
@@alligatorshade8110 Yes, I do.
hmm