Three Ways to Improve Your Sidearm in Disc Golf
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Three common sidearm form mistakes I have identified with Stokely Method students that create the most significant improvement when we correct the technique.
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As someone who is an only-backhand player, and has been wanting to learn a correct sidearm, this has been a MAJOR help! Thanks Scott
I have been playing disc golf for twenty years and never knew some of these things. Sidearm has always been a weakness in my game. Thanks, Scott.
Great video! Disc golf needs more coaches like yourself, because being a good player does not necessarily mean you’re a good coach, a good coach breaks everything down like you do. Good job!
Really GREAT video Scott! This should help thousands of players throw longer forehands.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the tips for side arm throwing the disc. Can’t wait to get outside to practice. Thanks Scott
thanks scott! It's refreshing to hear that about tucking the elbow. Many talented FH players have told me that I don't get my elbow in tight enough when the disc passes the body. I've never felt comfortable throwing like that. I've worked hard on my forehand and feel good about what it can do. thanks again!
what about a submarine pitcher? The motion they make tend to seem similar to a frisbee sidearm
Great question. This comes up at my lessons at times...
Submarine pitchers can be amazing but they did not throw at the velocity of those throwing with a three quarter delivery.
Also, most of us have grown up throwing objects like a ball and not with a submarine motion. Throwing a three quarter delivery is what we’ve always done and for most players be more natural.
Also, I found this in an article about submarine pitchers ... “If you look at many of the submariners, there really isn’t a lot of difference in their mechanics from a regular pitcher other than the extreme shoulder tilt. The arm still operates in a similar fashion, and the same mechanics still apply to the shoulder and elbow. The arm circle should still be applied and you will see a similar layback of the forearm into maximum external rotation.” What they are basically saying is what I say in that arm mechanics remain similar to three quarter throws but with a shoulder tilt. I call it leaning but we are saying the same thing :-)
I’m mostly a sidearm only player. Lately I’ve been working on putting sidearm. I’ve made some lengthy shots,
any reason I shouldn’t be putting using sidearm??
10-20 ft I typically throw backhand in the past. I’ve been considering only side arm all the time, and see how it goes.
There is a consensus on proper putting form. The basic mechanics for consistency make the best methods rise to the top. That is why alternate forms like that are not viable as a baseline putting form.
@@ScottStokelyDG Perfect! And I thought I was gonna be different! Lol jk, I knew it wouldn’t work, just needed verification. thanks for the advice and quick reply.
Genuinely the most helpful disc golf tutorial I've seen on RUclips, and I basically learned how to play from RUclips.
For someone struggling with a sidearm, you just changed my whole outlook on the throw. Instead of dreading going to practice sidearms, I'm looking forward to getting out and trying your tips
Dude NEVER threw the disc, gave a ton of information. #legendary
Watched him demonstrate this info with a throw after and he bombed it into a headwind about 450'. Very impressive watching it in person.
@@Judge_Jon I’ve been looking for good forehand information, and this is it. Makes me want to sign up for lessons from him.
@@prestondier7046 I do too, but his waitlist for the 6 person seminars he does is a long one. Maybe I'll get in one 5 years from now lol
I fell asleep at 5:37 on my PC. did he throw the thing? I guess not.
As someone who can't throw sidearm for anything but approaches, I NEEDED #2 so bad.
"Dont keep your elbow close to your body" THANK YOU for clearing that up.
I think this is funny. This is one of the thing a lot of the disc makers push. I've gone through a lot of their sidearm tutorials and it just never felt natural. This does.
You know how long I’ve been being told to keep my elbow close to my body?? All this time wondering why the disc won’t go far, and why my side arms wobble until the end of flight fade. Thank god I found this channel. The saying is true, “don’t underestimate the old guy on the course.” Thank you so much man❤️
@@pepperonistromboli8034 that’s what they told me too. Ready to try Stokely method tomorrow
@@J52d-g highly recommend, I went from throwing way too high and stalling, to throwing 10 foot high lasers. His method is definitely the way to go. Helped a bunch, let me know how it goes for you tomorrow bud, have a nice night👌🏻
It’s good to notice though that if you execute sidearm correctly (even Scott’s technique), your elbow will end up going quite close to your body in the middle of the swing, but it’s just a consequence of throwing with the correct technique, leading with the elbow as Scott Stokely explains in one of his other videos. So, you shouldn’t avoid your elbow getting close to your body in the middle of the swing, it just shouldn’t be the focus.
I have been throwing a sidearm for decades and these tips are getting me excited to improve!
It was interesting to watch this and Eagle's forehand breakdown. Very different "run-up" and arm position/angle.
Shows that you can do things in many ways with a great result. Eagle has so flexible joints that his style doesn't suit everyone. I think this is more "universal" and tips that works for everyone.
Scott is a legend and one of the all time best forehand throwers and knows this stuff. Just interesting to see that other approaches and forms as well with impressive results.
Scott's advises suits my body better.
Yep, Eagle also does a bunch of Yoga to keep being able to throw this way.
My dad does nearly what Scott does but has the arm in such an angle that the elbow can be forward on the throw. He is powerful enough to use his 172 Star T-Rex/Xcalibur as modern equivalent from Innova for his forehand or could, yet can use a 148 DX Archangel he has on it forehand too.
In case anyone is reading a year later, it is worth pointing out that Eagle’s forehand form might be a big part of his injuries right now, and his forehand video should be watched with that in mind.
It's extremely impressive that you do these in one take. A testament to what a great teacher you are Scott!
Dude you’re flat out amazing! Thanks Dr. Stokely! The ol forehand is getting better day by day. Almost done quarantining my sidearms on the course!
Body angle! Thank you! I always found it frustrating to come from a baseball background and have such a weak sidearm... I just needed to see someone explain it like you did for tip #2.
Same here. Been playing 4 years and my sidearm is weak and hurts my elbow. Excited to try this way!
@@EDECO79 how'd it go man?
@@michaelmeteviet9702 had a daughter born in May 2021. Barely been playing. Someday.... Lol
Great tips! Saw Ulibarri do a video to develop the wrist snap by throwing the disc 20 ft. and getting it to spin on the ground.
It's funny when I first started playing. Sidearm was the easiest one to learn. But I love your videos. Thanks for making them. They are very helpful
Rotational torque creates potential energy that can be used to accelerate the disc instead of using only your arm.
Just started throwing discs and been out about 5 times now. Was a sidearm pitcher in HS so using forearm is easier for me. Right now I'm getting it around 325 at 45 years old. Look out youngins!
This tutorial is great and glad I've been applying these techs so there isn't much of a change.
Great tutorial, but am I the only one here thinking: " Throw one and show me what you just told me!"? 😅
Like the old saying goes , show Me don’t tell Me .
I agree, but you can watch his sidearm shot in his other sidearm videos though
I thought that when I watched another video of his. I changed my mind afterward. He shows a lot, but he doesn't depend on the flight of the disc when he shows. He's an excellent teacher. It's frustrating to any golfer for someone to show them their shot and then saying "that's how you do it." The devil is always in the details.
I love this info. I'm total newbie with only a few months exp and I remember watching a pro round where the guy threw a ton of side arm, and when he does, he lays wayyy over so that his torso is almost parallel to the ground.
Bad news, I have to now completely change my method after watching this. Good news, I suck so its okay.
Practiced these tips, and some others of yours in the field today for about an hour. I saw improvement in my consistency, control, and distance. I then went and played a forehand only round and did well. Great explanations, and video!!!
Q: What did the Zen master say to the hotdog vendor? A: Make me One with Everything!
thank you Zen Master Scott for this superb video! you blew my mind; can't wait to try it out tomorrow
2 years later and this is still one of the best forehand videos, thank you for this!!
The best disc golf teacher on the planet.
Wow this was amazing. I struggle with my forehand and I’m very certain its because I’m sideways instead of more out in front. Amazing content and teaching.
Been playing for 20 years. Been throwing sidearm fo 14 of them. After watching this video I now know why I top out at 320ft and hurt after every 18. Can't wait to hit an open field and break some bad habits! Thanks.
This was incredibly helpful. Do you have any tips on how to get a cleaner release? i.e. how to reduce wobble in the disc (especially for putters, drivers seem to handle it better).
These tips are awesome!
Great video. I'm getting so much better at my side arm after your videos. I'm maxing out at 270 or so. Could you make a video on coiling your body for more power??
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! Went from 100ft inaccurate to 250ft accurate with tip #2... that was it for me after throwing for 3.5 years!!! WOW!!! Ohhhh & Thanks again!!!
That's the best video iv seen and he didn't even throw the disc
😢 I've been sidearm throwing wrong for 20 yrs. Definitely was side throwing. This makes so much more sense. And I've never been able to get distance or accuracy throwing the " normal way" like my fingers don't want to let go in time. Thanks for your tips going now to try it out❤
Dammit this video is so good. No wonder my elbow is on fire every few rounds. You’re the freaking man Scott!!!
Don't practice your form in the house while watching this. Most likely chance you will accidentally break your TV...
GREAT Instruction from a GREAT Instructor!! Thank you Scott
Sweet! The baseball analogy makes sense. Can't wait to try it tomorrow.
@3:33 In my best Dave Carrell as 'Gru' voice. LIGHTBULB! Mind blown, makes so much sense I feel like my IQ went up a couple of points. Thank you good sir!
This video still resonates three years later. You’re the man Scott!
I wish I had this knowledge a decade ago.. I probably would have felt comfortable playing tournaments if I had a decent side arm
Scott, I am an older Disc golfer who suffered a severe brain injury back in the 80s. Can you do a video on throwing fore-arm from a standstill? My challenged equilibrium takes any kind of run-up out of the equation. My current goal is to be able to throw 300'. Currently, I pretty much top out at 225'. Thank you.
My best quick description of Disc Golfing with a brain injury, is to imagine being drunk.
Holy shit dude. You just blew my mind. The baseball analogy is perfect, that just changed my life. I can’t wait to go out and try this tomorrow.
Sincerely a forehand only player playing for 3 years that can only throw 250’
I have the most fun though
Scott thanks didn't pick up much new and just thinking about it i could raise my entire swing by 6 to 10 inches. I will be trying this. And maybe checking my forwardness. Appreciate the knowledge from a legend 🙌
Hmmm so I came from baseball, I throw sidearm around 375’ and do none of these things right apparently. I bet it’s the reason I’m having to throw Nuke OS’s and Apes to keep the disc from flipping
Yup that's it, no wonder I couldn't throw. I was sideways. I'm going to try this... right now...lol.
Hey Scott! I musk ask, i have been told by watching other vids that you dont activly move the wrist forward at the end. The wrist snap comes from the elbow/forearm lagging behind and when it stops the wrist goes. I dont get any good spinn doing that, guess its not 100% correct right? Should snap it forward right before the disc goes by extra push from my fingers? Ialso wonders how important is the swingback timing compare to a bh throw like when plant foot touch you should be at your reachback peak. / Thanks
"Torontosaurus Rex" -- what the Toronto Raptors should have been called.
I have friends who told me how well you play, but I'd never had the good fortune of meeting you myself. The stories of your distance are legendary. Now I begin to see why. Thank you for help.
Apparently 55 people who watched this are going for most bogeys in a round....
Great video and well said!
ive been throwing disc golf sidearm for 20 years. and he is hypnotizing me.. I don't even know of I'm doing it right?? I'm sleepy i forgot.
Hurt my elbow a year and a half ago. Haven’t been able to throw anything besides a flick sidearm approach.
Great information, however, you do need to keep your elbow down in the power pocket of your side. The term "keep your elbow to your side" has been exaggerated to the point people have lost its true meaning. Keeping your elbow to your side doesn't mean keep it there like a tee-rex. That's ridiculous. Keeping your elbow to your side means don't flail out your elbow in a wide arch. You'll dislocate your shoulder.
My god I just learned to throw forehand last year and have been throwing it up to 330 ft. incorrectly! I always have been facing sideways, dropping down and only using my wrist and not using any core power created torque when I throw. I got tennis elbow naturally and had to go to therapy. Just watched this but dam its raining hard so I can't get out and see if I can hit 400 ft with my almost 50 year old rifle arm, lol!
Scott I have some long fingers and middle finger way longer than pointer. Makes two finger grip very uncomfortable. Is 2 really more powerful, it seems it only matters form. Am I missing something.
Especially number two was very very usefull, i found my problem there.
fuck bro, i just wanna go throw asap after watching this. Unlucky its 11pm in finland so ill have to wait untill tomorrow. Thx for the tips master
I can't throw backhand since I started playing disc only sidearm
Throw a ball. I’m taking this lesson to the course. I’ve been wanting to throw forehand, but every time I practiced before I play army golf(left/right/left/right).
So you're selling a bunch of big talk and mumbo-jumbo to tell everybody what they already heard before and to get views and make money off of people to extend your career
Nate and Eagle throw forehand with hips turned 90 degrees. I think I'll take their advice over this guy.
Kevin Jones and Eagle McMahon clinics on sidearms are a little different and they are two of the top sidearm players on tour right now. Great new perspective for sure.
Thanks for the great content. Might want to think about turning down the volume or getting another mic. It is super loud and has clipping.
I'm a good forehand player and i was "rolling" some of my drives. But now i know why. I get lazy and stand up too straight. Lean 30 degrees to throw it flat! Thanks Scott!
I once asked an american friend how to improve my sidearm, he said: throw it like a sidearm curveball.... as a european i was lucky to understand that he was talking about baseball
oh so thats why Hokem (sp?) leans so far down on her forehands
I have to watch this again!! Could not concentrate on anything else but your giant hands!! ✋🏻🤚🏻
Thanks for all your incredible tips man! You are the B😎SS!
i'll definitely listen to someone who's hardcore enough to fucking tattoo discgolf on their fingers. that second tip about throwing like a ball makes perfect sense. i've been doing that low scoop throw forever. time to launch! thanks Scott!
Dude, you are the authority on disc golf lessons. Nobody explains things as clearly as you. \m/
Been waiting all this time for you to throw the disc :-) Anyway great tutorial!
The forehand throw is a big tool in disc golf and coming from baseball and bowling the forehand was actually more natural than the backhand. To me, the backhand is more awkward.
No one describes the game like you. I cannot wait for another video and I will be buying that book soon.
....and now I know why all the other videos I've watched havent helped one bit. Thanks for the info Scott.
Dude, I am throwing sidearm all day tomorrow trying these out. Thanks!!!
I could sidearm 400 plus but sometimes I’d short arm it and be short and fade out early I also use to tell people to keep the elbow in I now see my problem and this video made it make sense I was a baseball player who couldn’t throw straight overhand so naturally I threw bout 3/4 like he mentioned I am now more consistent with angles and not short arming it
I was a baseball player my whole life, simply comparing and using the baseball lingo helped it click for me so much, If only I could use my crow hop lol
This is the video I was looking for! Thanks Scott!
At 7:22, I heard the angles sing, with jesus descending out of the heavens to bitch slap me saying “and that’s how it’s done”
Throw a ball and load the wrist were huge tips for me to feel good throwing forehand today. Effortless and smooth and i was throwing accurate with decent distance. Thank you Scott Stokley for teaching solid fundamentals
One of the best breakdowns to throwing forehand. Thanks
I drag my foot when i do so but i would say my form is pretty good otherwise, can throw my forehand around 400, any tips to help me not drag my foot?
Understanding it is a baseball through changes everything!
Hahaha Don King must have sponsored that event that he's won and cried at and won some money
This is hilarious, I took all the other pros sidearm things and all I had to do was use my baseball throw this whole time. This makes way more sense, unreal
i always start feeling pain in my elbow after a couple long distance sidearms. what is causing that?
Kept waiting for you to pipe that hole behind you after you were done lol. Great video!
In my late 30s now, never was a great player, but from about 2005-2015 I would often park a 420 foot hole, no wind with a side arm. I had this fantasy to get super juiced and break the sidearm distance record but I never got to it . 1: It's all about a violent hip turn with proper timing. (Similar to an open stance forehand in tennis) 2: Imagine you have to sideways chop a midget in the head as hard as you can. That's the proper way to follow through (which is not much of a follow through at all). It's not a throw like Scott says. 3: Blizzard Boss with wind/ neutral wind, Star Boss into the wind . My best throws with the wind are hyzer flips that go 20-30 feet high. Into the wind, they were lazer beams that don't go higher then 10 feet.
Glad you found what works for you
I think a light bulb just turned on with that 2nd tip. Thanks Scott.
I mostly do crow hop but few times ill do x-step. for sidearm. .
You might have actually saved my elbow with this video, only time will tell.
the first video I ever watched about disc golf was you Scott, many years ago, your sense of humor and goofiness was infectious along with your mechanical instructions, which were and are presented in a solid common sense and clear way born from a gifted athlete and teacher. Putting, backhand and now this is the best forearm explanation I could hope for. Don't let the non-creative haters bum you out, keep up the goofiness, silliness and pranks. If I wanted decorum and conservatism, I'd go back to stifling, lockstepping, 100% right wing conservative, white bread ball golf. Your self deprecating absurd spirit is inspirational to me, I started making disc golf music videos, never had so much fun. Keep walking your path and keep annoying the "I'm so cool" Paul McStiffass crowd.
I saw Paul at GMC and he looked through me. He confirmed what we both assumed lol
Who are the 50 haters who gave this a thumbs down??? This information is #golden ...Thanks so much Scott!
Maybe those who know that throwing a forehand/flick with a frisbee (yes, not a disc) inside out (so the furthest side facing downwards) can be done from effortlessly to a lot of power and thrown far.
It might be an area where Ultimate Frisbee (UF)/throws don't quite work out in Disc Golf (DG).
In UF, if you threw the frisbee Outside-In like in the video, it most likely won't go far compared to the IO.
Back to the haters, they possibly threw forehands facing the side or wanted to see him throw.
Ville Piippo disagrees with the T-rex form :)
Weird I just came in from practicing forehand and this is the first thing I see.
Scott, as with many of the other comments, I too am learning side arm, and I was totally throwing both side ways, AND "like a frisbee", like a sub marine pitcher! Thanks very much! One question, I see you put your index finger first, and over lap with your middle finger. You see a lot of the top players on tour opposite of that, the middle finger on the rim. As a beginner, does that matter, or is it all preference and what works for each player?
Check my other videos about grip and let me know if you still questions 😊
great video, the leaning part helped me tons, thanks!
Hahaha Trex sucks at side arm! Like your videos