We Grade Commander's Most Popular Black Spells

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Комментарии • 110

  • @crawdaddy2004
    @crawdaddy2004 День назад +42

    Syr Konrad actually reads: If you do anything, your opponent takes damage.

  • @dominicmetzger3246
    @dominicmetzger3246 День назад +65

    I’m flipping a table if this doesn’t include grave titan

    • @joshberg7944
      @joshberg7944 День назад +4

      Just got my first copy 2 weeks ago 😋

    • @aj-kz3po
      @aj-kz3po День назад +3

      Best card ever 🙌 👌 😂

    • @Dskinny23
      @Dskinny23 День назад

      Can't include that bad man lol

    • @charmishing
      @charmishing День назад

      Is Flipping a Table the new mono black staple?

  • @tyroneliquil
    @tyroneliquil День назад +13

    I love your channel! It’s been super helpful getting into commander coming over from Pokémon, being able to listen to multiple people discuss with each other which cards are good or not and in which situations. It may not seem like a lot at first, but being able to hear multiple perspectives, even if they don’t agree with each other is really helpful. I’m currently trying to make a Dina Soul steeper deck and your guys channel is my favorite for finding cards that synergize with my deck within a certain budget. Thank you guys for all you do!

  • @erichunt1974
    @erichunt1974 День назад +10

    I personally am a big fan of Marrow-Gnawer, or as I like to call him "Rat Krenko, Mob Boss." Sacrificing one rat to double your rats is almost as fun as doubling your goblins.

  • @OriginalNeckbeardicus
    @OriginalNeckbeardicus День назад +20

    Feed the swarm hits Rhystic study. 10/10 card.

  • @riverswater5688
    @riverswater5688 День назад +18

    black market connections is WAY better than C-.... easily an A

    • @dunpeal1923
      @dunpeal1923 21 час назад +2

      I was thinking the same. Its SO good in almost all black decks. Dont know where this bad grade came from.

    • @conerchambers1214
      @conerchambers1214 20 часов назад

      I do think BMC is in an interesting position because it’s extremely telegraphed on what you’re going to do. In my current pod, BMC is almost too slow and the advantage gained on the following turn slightly gets you back to parity. Unless, the table takes advantage of not having attackers / blockers (assume BMC is on curve) then you’re already at a much lower life total than when the card came down, making its abilities less beneficial over time. In this way, it’s almost like a Sylvan Library except with SL you always full send it to get those extra cards out of the way. Then there are cases where BMC will eventually kill you before the benefit of BMC matters (games with lots of board wipes and counter magic come to mind). Lastly, in the late game, it is way too slow to accrue the advantage needed to get into a winning position

    • @moonknight2865
      @moonknight2865 17 часов назад +1

      Even at worst, its a B. That card does everything and in the right deck, its amazing.

    • @tommieboi707
      @tommieboi707 16 часов назад +1

      Nerds don't like cards that does nothing until your upkeep. I don't understand why. Black market connection is an awesome card. Well worth the wait to your upkeep

    • @crawdaddy2004
      @crawdaddy2004 9 часов назад

      @@tommieboi707Because it takes THREE turns to yield more cards than Read the Bones (and 3x the life lost). Whenever I play anything in a game of Commander, I assume that there’s only a 50 percent chance it’ll still be on the battlefield by the time it’s my turn again. The 3/2 is basically irrelevant - remember that people cast Beast Within and Rapid Hybridization who give YOU 3/3s, and the Treasure token is nice, but if you wanted extra mana, just cast a Dark Ritual which is WAAAAAAAY cheaper in terms of mana AND monetary price. I won’t pay more than two mana for anything in Commander that requires an entire turn cycle to give me value.

  • @carloszarraga1990
    @carloszarraga1990 День назад +7

    Since they first showed black market connections the nerds have never liked it, but oh god, has it become my favorite card. The amount of value it generates is just absurd. I guess it's really play style and play group depending, but all my black decks have one. It feels like the perfect point where you get a lot of value, but not in a broken way like rhystic

    • @conerchambers1214
      @conerchambers1214 20 часов назад

      I definitely think it falls into playgroup. In mine, BMC on curve is falling out of parity then slightly getting back into it on the next turn, as long as the rest of the table hasn’t spent an entire round beating you with creatures. The value on it is great but in some games, you’re almost tempo’ing yourself while someone else is 2 turns away from a combo win

    • @carloszarraga1990
      @carloszarraga1990 17 часов назад

      @@conerchambers1214 I guess, my playgroup doesn't play that many combos and our average game lasts 10 turns, so I can see how it differs from 5 or 6-turn games

  • @crawdaddy2004
    @crawdaddy2004 День назад +2

    22:43 I actually did this the first time I played Krav/Regna deck. I played a turn 2 Academy Rector. The next turn I cast Diabolic Intent, sacrificing the Rector for Divine Intervention. What did I search for? Vampire Hexmage. 😂
    *
    Funnily enough, my opponent actually had StP in hand, but they were waiting for me to cast a sacrifice outlet… not a spell that had me sacrifice it as an additional cost.

  • @adkohler
    @adkohler День назад +4

    Read the Bones is currently only in my budget and mono-black builds, but I can see the Bloomburrow version, Diresight, making it into graveyard-vlaue decks due to the replacing Scry with Surveil.

  • @lordBeerus467
    @lordBeerus467 День назад +17

    Cant believe you guys are so low on black market connections. Mana production that can build up with card draw. Plus make a good token that is excellent in tribal decks. B+

    • @moonknight2865
      @moonknight2865 17 часов назад +1

      In my korvold deck, it’s all star card. Same with my kaalia.

  • @dasfabelwesen
    @dasfabelwesen День назад +13

    So the reason you do not like black market connections is that it is so good that people try to remove it?

    • @moonknight2865
      @moonknight2865 17 часов назад

      By this logic, every staple is an F. You have to remember, it’s just their opinion and also depending on the playgroup, it could be bad. It all depends.

    • @crawdaddy2004
      @crawdaddy2004 9 часов назад +1

      No, it’s not just “if it’s removed, it does nothing.” That is a huge misunderstanding and strawman of what they meant. It can resolve, and it gives your each opponent a full turn cycle to get rid of it. THEN, even if it gets back to your turn, it has now cost you two life and three mana to draw ONE card. And if you “full send,” you’ve paid two mana (I am counting the treasure as a rebate of mana) and six life for a 3/2 that drew a card. Is that good? Not really. Then if it makes it around a second time, you’ve paid one mana and 12 life for two 3/2s and two cards. MAAAAAAAAYBE that’s worth it if you only have a single opponent, but what are those 3/2s doing for you when you have three opponents?
      *
      If you wouldn’t play Read the Bones, why would you play Black Market Connections?
      *
      The “if it gets removed, it does nothing” comment means that, you can spend the mana, have it resolve, untap with it in play but still has no effect on the game. It needs to last, like, four turns for it to do anything substantial. How many non-land permanents last four turns in Commander?

    • @dasfabelwesen
      @dasfabelwesen 9 часов назад

      @@crawdaddy2004 wow, that is a long article to say it is similar to a manarock that draws cards with upside.
      You are not wrong about what you say, but that reads all as if this card is very strong.

    • @crawdaddy2004
      @crawdaddy2004 9 часов назад

      @@dasfabelwesen Right… and I also said that I don’t play ANY card that costs more than two mana that doesn’t do something the turn it comes into play. “Any card” includes mana rocks.

  • @dankoerner887
    @dankoerner887 День назад +4

    I definitely play my foil Damnation in my Athreos deck

  • @bunkmastab
    @bunkmastab День назад +1

    Beezy's voice sounding a lot stronger than last night, glad to see the throat spray has been putting in work

  • @hanschristopherson8056
    @hanschristopherson8056 День назад +2

    Syr konrad a B- whaaat he’s crazy also don’t forget he counts your opponents creature too

  • @LordQQQ
    @LordQQQ 15 часов назад +1

    For Mirkwood bats you don’t even need to sacrifice the tokens to make it good. Just creating and dealing 1 per token is really good in a lot of decks.

  • @RunninOnYT
    @RunninOnYT День назад +1

    I love Damnation, it feels so iconic. I still have the same Damnation I traded with a friend.

  • @kurttito7256
    @kurttito7256 23 часа назад +1

    Culling the Weak I think deserves a shoutout as an amazing combo extender for black sacrifice decks. 1 mana sac a creature gain 4 mana at instant speed. I use both Dark Ritual and this in a grixis combo deck and has given me the extra mana needed to win games roughly 30% of the time. 2 cards out of 100 for 30% participation in a win? 10/10 shenanigan.

  • @sharkmanyt4431
    @sharkmanyt4431 День назад +1

    And don’t forget that cards exiled with Dauthi are exiled permanently (unless you cast it)

  • @Hapkins-le6xf
    @Hapkins-le6xf День назад +2

    Surprised Urborg and coffers didn't make the list.

    • @Tuchpi
      @Tuchpi 17 часов назад +1

      Those don't have colours 🧐

  • @johnathanward867
    @johnathanward867 День назад +2

    Village rites did surprise me.

    • @paulszki
      @paulszki День назад +1

      I think village rite was a bit underestimated here. It's absolutely a sac outlet and I thin it compares favouribly to skullclamp. Any deck that loves skullclamp should probably not be unhappy to play village rites.
      It's instant speed and sacs on cast so it can "save" an important recursion piece from being exiled no matter which way the stack works out. Also it's just an easy "draw 2" for just one black mana in tons of decks. Could be necrobloom landfall saccing a 0/1 plants, could be part of value train in golgari whith creatures that have potent dies triggers etc. It just fits into a lot of decks.

  • @paullloyd9331
    @paullloyd9331 День назад +2

    Love this video idea! Hope it's a series ;)

  • @moonknight2865
    @moonknight2865 17 часов назад +2

    Feels like you guys don’t put BMC in the right decks. Even at worst, its a B. Depending on the deck, that card is an all star. In my korvold deck, it draws, puts a token and a sacrifice outlet for korvold. In my kaalia deck, it draws and puts a token and a sacrifice outlet for my demons. Depending on the playgroup, it can differ but still, no. BMC is a a fantastic card.

  • @warl54961
    @warl54961 3 часа назад

    BMC exists in my head as a 3 mana utility rock. I don't run it in everything. but if the deck can spare the hit to it's ramp speed then it absolutely goes in. probably a step above midnight clock.

  • @valun360
    @valun360 День назад

    Was not ready for moxfield ad, well done!

  • @rtotalexvii612
    @rtotalexvii612 23 часа назад

    Thank you for making a video about playing (rather than arguing about the future of) this game this week!

  • @MBurgland
    @MBurgland 19 часов назад

    I really love this video. It has given me a lot of fun (and expensive . . .) ideas for my mono black deck.

  • @shawnahern6918
    @shawnahern6918 День назад +1

    Confused that Diabolic Intent "can be better than" Demonic Tutor, but Village Rites isn't good?

  • @jkjackson91
    @jkjackson91 14 часов назад

    I think certain cards are also significantly better in a casual format like Phyrexian Arena. If it gets played early and sits around all game it’s absolutely phenomenal. Low threat but gives you card advantage, don’t need to do anything. Set it and forget it.

  • @Temuldjin
    @Temuldjin День назад +2

    Gary I choose you!

  • @Dark-Pikachu1
    @Dark-Pikachu1 День назад +1

    6:09 ok I just don’t pay $15 for those free removal

  • @obadijahparks
    @obadijahparks День назад +1

    Every single one of these are worthy staples.

  • @doktarr
    @doktarr 14 часов назад

    Malakir Rebirth is probably the best mdfc tapland in the game. Until recently it saw lots of play in modern in grief scam, too. I think it's a legitimate A-; I would put it in basically any black deck that's not 4 or 5 color.

  • @KingThor128
    @KingThor128 20 часов назад

    I'd like to see this in every color, but maybe at the end a little follow up into alternatives for these staples.
    While it's a little more niche to heavy white, in decks that can afford it I have replaced my Path to Exile's with Parting Gust from Bloomburrow. 2 white to Exile something is fine enough rate for me offensively, but if I give someone a 1/1 fish it blinks one of my own creatures and puts a +1/+1 counter on it. I still run Swords because someone gaining life doesn't matter and I can blow up my biggest thing if it helps me stay in the game, but with Path to Exile I almost never want to be giving my opponent a land. I can do that for myself too, but Parting Gust is just so much better to me personally and I think it deserves a staple spot when your deck can reliably secure 2 white mana by turn two or three if you need it.

  • @krackergrit
    @krackergrit День назад +2

    So grave titan is a A+ right 😮

  • @ussgordoncaptain
    @ussgordoncaptain День назад +1

    I'm really surprised Ad Nauseam didn't make the top 30, it's probably the best card in black, EOT ad naus draw 30 untap win game. Or if you have enough ritutals you can even do mainphase Ad nauseum>Win game

    • @crawdaddy2004
      @crawdaddy2004 День назад +3

      Probably because most players’ decks have an average mana value of 12.7. 😂

    • @imaginarymatter
      @imaginarymatter День назад

      I think they're going off the EDHREC rankings and the average player isn't willing to spend 30 life to draw 6 cards.

    • @paulszki
      @paulszki День назад

      I think it's without a doubt one of the absolute best black cards ever printed but it also scales with the powerlevel of your deck. To me Ad Naseum is mostly a cEDH-only card and as such it makes sense that it's not in the top30 most played (which isn't the same as top30 best cards, I mean Feed the Swarm is NOT the #4 best black card by a thousand miles).
      Ad Naseum is more or less trash in casual or even "high powered" edh decks if you're hitting a bunch of 4,5 and even 6 mana spells.
      In cEDH with all your incredibly cheap cards and fast mana you're storming off after untap or even if you cast ad naseum in your mainphase. - You draw into your moxen, sol-rings, mana-crypts (well, not for now'), grim monoliths etc. and/or other rituals, more carddraw then an underworld breach, winning the game with a tendrils of agony or whatever ever combo. Meanwhile In non-cEDH you're drawing a bunch of cards, maybe 10 if you're lucky, go down to 10 lifepoints and then probably actually don't win the game a lot of the time because you don't have enough fast mana.
      I can see the card doing way more work in a heavy lifegain or drainy aristocrat deck but you're not really going to slap this one into a precon and expect it to work wonders.

    • @burnsboy101
      @burnsboy101 20 часов назад

      It’s not a cedh video 🤦‍♂️

  • @Goosegoosegoose24
    @Goosegoosegoose24 День назад

    Beezy beeing a 90 day Fiance stan wasnt on my 2024 bingo card 😂😂

  • @jubul666
    @jubul666 День назад

    What do you think of your Roxanne deck? She is so underrated imo, I have her in my Rin and Seri deck and my etali deck and she is so solid! Ramps you fairly well and can ping opponents mana dorks, she works well as a target for all of my bounce and copy effects if etali isn't around to set up for a big next turn. I would imagine as a commander if you can reliably give her haste you can always pay her tax next turn. Also the food chain squee combo with her seems really funny, just kill people with a meteor shower 😂

  • @robertbengel2689
    @robertbengel2689 16 часов назад

    I'm surprised damnation, malakir rebirth, victimize, and deadly dispute are put in so many black decks. I never see them from my opponents

  • @gogajira2
    @gogajira2 8 часов назад

    Didn't even know diresight existed, cheers

  • @Draconamous
    @Draconamous 18 часов назад

    So entomb should be an S by itself. Say you have a vampiric rites in play with a mothman deck.
    Entomb a golgari troll into a read the bones. MILL 6 to get the counters. Cast troll into tires, repeat.

  • @brennanmohr7348
    @brennanmohr7348 День назад

    Victimize is literally always a blowout. :)

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander День назад

    Vile mutilator needs to make this list in time

  • @EasilySuede
    @EasilySuede День назад

    #14 is also surprising on elevators

  • @Wertos5s
    @Wertos5s День назад +3

    No necropotence?

    • @Shimatzu95
      @Shimatzu95 5 минут назад

      Its not realy a great card in lower power decks and somewhat hard to cast the more colors you play (which is considered in deck counts).

  • @hanschristopherson8056
    @hanschristopherson8056 15 часов назад

    I think the reason people think phyrexian arena is good because drawing two cards every turn feels good and are not thinking about the alternatives

  • @ProfWalton
    @ProfWalton День назад

    Come on 31 minute Moxfield!

  • @Adanimo_nRg
    @Adanimo_nRg День назад

    Withering Torment is the NEW and better Feed the Swarm

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander День назад +1

    I use black market connection in my negan

  • @calebbrown1068
    @calebbrown1068 День назад

    17:46 is where the ad is, 100%

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander День назад +1

    I killed so many people with sign in blood lol

  • @Dskinny23
    @Dskinny23 День назад

    I'm here for a blood feud!

  • @raustzeal4212
    @raustzeal4212 19 часов назад

    I think any single target removal including deadly rollick is a bit overrated. I find myself cutting in favour of board wipes. Whats the point in half hearted disruption? Let your opp do the thing or ruin their day.

  • @Dagoofygooober
    @Dagoofygooober 34 минуты назад

    Question for anybody ( I'm new so plz relax ): When my opponent declares attackers, and follows through killing my creature, can i cast Malakir rebirth to save it? Or Do I have to cast MR BEFORE the creatures deal damage? Idk if that makes sense or not, just trying to understand the card.

  • @ericquezada539
    @ericquezada539 День назад

    Would you play deadly Rollick in muldrotha?

  • @TheAmazingSpiderman87
    @TheAmazingSpiderman87 16 часов назад

    What's beyond s++? Cus that's where gary, toh, and gravy boi belong.

  • @Shimatzu95
    @Shimatzu95 10 минут назад

    I think we are at the point whete phyrexian arena can be used to date players.
    If you are at least 25 and dont play cedh you probably like phyrexian arena.
    Otherwise you probably think its too slow.
    I am in the first camp.

  • @tashannoc
    @tashannoc День назад

    I use malakir rebirth in my nevinyyral board wipe deck and it slaps

  • @amphetamean66X
    @amphetamean66X День назад

    Phyexian Arena is so weirdly evaluated. Let me ask you would you pay BB1 Pay 5 life draw 5 cards over the course of 5 turns. I would. I think it depends on if you need to find lands quickly or not. Truth be told I run like 8 draw cards at least in each of my decks. usually 4 at 2 mana and 4 at 3 mana. I think Arena is great. Unless I need instant and sorcery spells to trigger things i think it's usually the better card.

    • @zpeedy1
      @zpeedy1 День назад +1

      I think its problem is that it's only good if you can get it out early. After a certain number of turns, it's just too slow. It takes two turns to gain card advantage because the first draw it gives only replaces the card you played to get it. The turn after that is where you start gaining cards. There's just too much chance the game will be over before you get extra cards from it. Also, your mana might be better spent mid to late game on other things like removal and wincons.
      Not trying mansplain lol. Just want to explain why I don't run it anymore.
      I prefer cards like Minions' Murmurs and Moonlight Bargain because of their potential to draw lots of cards right away.

    • @spudster8887
      @spudster8887 23 часа назад

      only 8 draw cards? Thats nowhere near enough, Im on nearly double that in all of mine tbh

  • @Dark-Pikachu1
    @Dark-Pikachu1 День назад

    6:36 ok but what if you zero creatures on board

  • @xragg
    @xragg 15 часов назад

    I don't understand why they are ranked, but have grades that don't match that ranking. I must have missed something.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  15 часов назад

      This is the top 30 most played black cards on edhrec, which is the order we’re going by

    • @xragg
      @xragg 6 часов назад

      @@NitpickingNerds Thanks. I admit I probably missed it. :)

  • @davidrosenberg9615
    @davidrosenberg9615 День назад

    Me too, Beezy. Me too.

  • @grillburgerdaq5121
    @grillburgerdaq5121 День назад

    Feed the swarm is worth it in mono black just to blow up rhystic studies and smothering tithes.

  • @Npocommander
    @Npocommander День назад

    Bolas citadel in my Alesha crats

    • @Npocommander
      @Npocommander День назад

      Also mdfc lands spells are spells lol

  • @Dark-Pikachu1
    @Dark-Pikachu1 День назад

    Final act only has 2 relevant modes

  • @trainwreck527
    @trainwreck527 16 часов назад

    More like Syr (win)Konrad

  • @matthewmejia1590
    @matthewmejia1590 День назад

    amazing vid!

  • @OriginalNeckbeardicus
    @OriginalNeckbeardicus День назад

    Carrion feeder > viscera seer

  • @riverswater5688
    @riverswater5688 День назад

    grave titan = B

  • @sharkmanyt4431
    @sharkmanyt4431 День назад +1

    Erm dark ritual is one of the best mtg cards of all time…

  • @joshberg7944
    @joshberg7944 День назад

    16

  • @lugh.i
    @lugh.i День назад

    Great video!
    Eh... Could you please do it again but this time use a... 4 tier/bracket system, being Bracket 1 = always used, no problem, card and Bracket 4 = Most powerful, borderline cEDH power level card?

  • @DanZigs79
    @DanZigs79 День назад +2

    Read the bones, night’s whisper and all those “draw 2” sorceries are so overplayed. They have no impact on a commander game and have no synergy with anything but spellslinger decks. Even those have better instant speed options.

    • @bigfhtagn
      @bigfhtagn День назад

      I've switched a lot of those out for Fell Stinger. 3 mana 3/2 death touch. Exploits to draw 2 lose 2.
      Way easier to loop on black, works as a sac outlet and/or fodder.
      So yeah, those sorceries are over played. Play Fell Stinger instead!

    • @yoyoguy1st
      @yoyoguy1st 18 часов назад +1

      They’re perfectly fine, nothing spectacular but nothing bad. They’re cheap and can just kind of be like a glue to help you get your land drops you need in the early game and keep things going. It’s a stable card even if it’s nothing crazy.

    • @DanZigs79
      @DanZigs79 10 часов назад

      ​@@yoyoguy1stI actually think that they are bad. In the early game, you want to drop a draw engine like morbid opportunist, keen dualist, Braids, Arisen Nightmare, skull clamp etc. that will draw you a extra cards every turn. Even phyrexian arena, which I don't play anymore is better in the early game. In the later game, you want burst card draw, but you want it to be instant speed and draw you 4-5 cards like stinging study

    • @yoyoguy1st
      @yoyoguy1st 9 часов назад

      @@DanZigs79 I’m not saying sign in blood is anything insane it’s just a stable card. You get the cards immediately, it’s almost no cost at an efficient rate and it’s not dependent on having a creature survive til the upkeep, having something die or sacrifice or anything else. The ceiling for the card isn’t anything amazing but the floor is so stable I can’t fault anybody for running it, it’s just reliable no matter the deck.

  • @AppleMarineXX
    @AppleMarineXX День назад

    Damn I'm early

  • @jordanuu-bernard6038
    @jordanuu-bernard6038 День назад

    I heart you Beezy. Like if you agree❤

  • @LegitBogus
    @LegitBogus День назад

    I will be glad when magic is done. Majority of new cards are junk. Majority of reprints are redundant. Standard is dead. Modern is dead. Edh has one foot in the grave.